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Atomos Darksun
Damage Incorporated.
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Posted - 2009.07.18 16:21:00 -
[1]
True story.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200310/Police-raid-30th-birthday-barbecue-man-used-Facebook-invite-friends.html
or
BBC
I'm surprised they weren't branded as terrorists  . Makes me glad to have the Constitution.
 Originally by: Amoxin
My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2009.07.18 16:50:00 -
[2]
You seem to have misunderstood the situation. It's not illegal to BBQ, it's just not advised That is, if you care about your future. You know the neighbour is watching.
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.07.18 16:54:00 -
[3]
It's Devon, the police don't have much to do down there.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.07.18 17:08:00 -
[4]
Police trooper turns into party pooper.
A story for the next Pink Panther.
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"Smoke me a kipper. I'll be back for breakfast." - Ace Rimmer |
Cipher7
Slag Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.18 17:47:00 -
[5]
USA doesn't suck as much as UK yet, give it 20 years we're catching up.
You guys are moving to Spain, we're moving to Mexico.
Gooooo socialiiism
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goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:15:00 -
[6]
"(1) This section applies to a gathering on land in the open air of 100 or more persons (whether or not trespassers) at which amplified music is played during the night (with or without intermissions) and is such as, by reason of its loudness and duration and the time at which it is played, is likely to cause serious distress to the inhabitants of the locality; and for this purposeł" - section 63 of the criminal justice and public order act of 1994.
So as it states it is for a gathering of 100 people or more with amplified music for a long duration of time, not a gathering of 15 people with no music.
Sorry but this is screwed up.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:18:00 -
[7]
in California they will likely ban grilling because of the Environment. because well you know grills just make soo much harmful smog....
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:20:00 -
[8]
ooh poor man he got the little BBQ ****ed up
but this give me a idea about how to troll the police hahahahahhahaha
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EvE FTW |
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:44:00 -
[9]
I'd be arrested on a weekly basis
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rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Soldiers of Solitude
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Posted - 2009.07.18 18:44:00 -
[10]
Edited by: rValdez5987 on 18/07/2009 18:44:26
Originally by: goodby4u
"(1) This section applies to a gathering on land in the open air of 100 or more persons (whether or not trespassers) at which amplified music is played during the night (with or without intermissions) and is such as, by reason of its loudness and duration and the time at which it is played, is likely to cause serious distress to the inhabitants of the locality; and for this purposeł" - section 63 of the criminal justice and public order act of 1994.
So as it states it is for a gathering of 100 people or more with amplified music for a long duration of time, not a gathering of 15 people with no music.
Sorry but this is screwed up.
lol you think police have to actually know the law in a police state? cmon..
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goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.07.18 19:00:00 -
[11]
Originally by: rValdez5987
Edited by: rValdez5987 on 18/07/2009 18:44:26
Originally by: goodby4u
"(1) This section applies to a gathering on land in the open air of 100 or more persons (whether or not trespassers) at which amplified music is played during the night (with or without intermissions) and is such as, by reason of its loudness and duration and the time at which it is played, is likely to cause serious distress to the inhabitants of the locality; and for this purposeł" - section 63 of the criminal justice and public order act of 1994.
So as it states it is for a gathering of 100 people or more with amplified music for a long duration of time, not a gathering of 15 people with no music.
Sorry but this is screwed up.
lol you think police have to actually know the law in a police state? cmon..
Also US is 10 years behind UK, but don't worry we are catching up.
"Ignorance of the law is no excuse", I heard police tell me and others this my entire life and now when it comes back to them they expect different treatment.
Fact of the matter is it is their job to know what is "right and wrong" to do and tread that fine line based upon the laws written by the state, and if they are ignorant of the laws then they deserve to be sued.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.18 19:12:00 -
[12]
The problem with that is that you didn't post paragraph 2.
Quote:
(2) If, as respects any land in the open air, a police officer of at least the rank of superintendent reasonably believes thatł
(a) two or more persons are making preparations for the holding there of a gathering to which this section applies,
(b) ten or more persons are waiting for such a gathering to begin there, or
(c) ten or more persons are attending such a gathering which is in progress,
he may give a direction that those persons and any other persons who come to prepare or wait for or to attend the gathering are to leave the land and remove any vehicles or other property which they have with them on the land.
So yeah. The "rave act" is a piece of oppressive **** (as it's fully up to the "belief" of a police officer, which frankly gives them a free hand to shut down 2 guys with an iPod boosting pack). But they were following the letter of the law.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.07.18 19:49:00 -
[13]
On an unrelated note, Kneel before Zod! |
rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Soldiers of Solitude
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Posted - 2009.07.18 20:49:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
The problem with that is that you didn't post paragraph 2.
Quote:
(2) If, as respects any land in the open air, a police officer of at least the rank of superintendent reasonably believes thatł
(a) two or more persons are making preparations for the holding there of a gathering to which this section applies,
(b) ten or more persons are waiting for such a gathering to begin there, or
(c) ten or more persons are attending such a gathering which is in progress,
he may give a direction that those persons and any other persons who come to prepare or wait for or to attend the gathering are to leave the land and remove any vehicles or other property which they have with them on the land.
So yeah. The "rave act" is a piece of oppressive **** (as it's fully up to the "belief" of a police officer, which frankly gives them a free hand to shut down 2 guys with an iPod boosting pack). But they were following the letter of the law.
Damn it see now when you don't post the whole ****ing story, and I end up looking like a ****ing moron. (more so than already)
This is why I normally don't trust any information source that I have not verified myself.
Well crap. According to that, regardless of my opinion of the matter, the police and their actions were fully justified. The law is left vague for that purpose.
Enjoy your police state gents, no worries the USA is only 10 years behind  |
Ivana Drake
Caldari
Liberi Fatalius
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.19 01:00:00 -
[15]
because of facebook
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Vaden Khale
Amarr
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.07.19 01:43:00 -
[16]
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.07.19 02:07:00 -
[17]
WTS anti-idiot ground to idiot missiles a perfect gift for those thick rozzers above you
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Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2009.07.19 05:04:00 -
[18]
What you all FAIL to realize is the level of Police Snooping on FACEBOOK that led to this "incident". Protecting children on the net from psychos is one thing but a bunch of cops snooping around on Facebook to detect EVIL and IMPURE acts is another.
Just imagine the thread
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BBQer= GUYS OMG BDAY PARTAY MAH PLACE! HUGE PARTY FOR EVEYRONE!!!!one!elven!
Friend1= ILL BE THERE
Friend2= OMG YES ILL BRING Joe, Jane,Ju, Jack, Jekyll!
Friend3=YES YES RAVE PARTY OMG WITH SAUSAGE for your BDAY
fRiEnD4=Rave? will there be extremely illegal acts of lascivity, substance abuse and desecration of national symbols?
Friend1= WTF LOL?
Frined2= WHo's that guy?
Friend3= Errr SURE< there will come hundres of us and Osama itself LOL! BOOM BOOM BOMB! HEADSHOT! PWNsauce!
fRiEnD4= I see ...
BBQer= WHat a moron
Friend1/2/3= LOL YEP...
Later you'll have tons of cops there ruining your party ... meh.
Viva VENEZUELA!!!
Archipelago Theory
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.19 07:28:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Cipher7
USA doesn't suck as much as UK yet, give it 20 years we're catching up.
You guys are moving to Spain, we're moving to Mexico.
Gooooo socialiiism
More like "goooooooo neoconservatism".
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.19 07:30:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Vaden Khale
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.
Next up: the police say that they have "REASONABLE SUSPICION" that you are a drug dealer, and that your house was bought with the profits.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.19 07:35:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Vaden Khale
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.
Next up: the police say that they have "REASONABLE SUSPICION" that you are a drug dealer, and that your house was bought with the profits.
This is of course after the cops 2 week paid vacation for shooting him and his roomates as soon as they stepped out with guns talking ****.
Originally by: Vaden Khale
He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.07.19 07:47:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Brujo Loco
What you all FAIL to realize is the level of Police Snooping on FACEBOOK that led to this "incident". Protecting children on the net from psychos is one thing but a bunch of cops snooping around on Facebook to detect EVIL and IMPURE acts is another.
This is just another example of a growing pile of proof that social networking sites are one of the worst ideas in the long history of bad ideas. People are just too naive with information these days regardless of how innocent the intent may have been at the time. If its something that can be twisted and turned against you, it will be by a person so lined.
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Ivana Drake
Caldari
Liberi Fatalius
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.19 11:30:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Brujo Loco
What you all FAIL to realize is the level of Police Snooping on FACEBOOK that led to this "incident". Protecting children on the net from psychos is one thing but a bunch of cops snooping around on Facebook to detect EVIL and IMPURE acts is another.
This is just another example of a growing pile of proof that social networking sites are one of the worst ideas in the long history of bad ideas. People are just too naive with information these days regardless of how innocent the intent may have been at the time. If its something that can be twisted and turned against you, it will be by a person so lined.
Employers look there (had someone at my last job get fired for something they put on there)
Police look there (to protect us from bad men!)
Bored strangers looking for parties to go to look there (I DIDN'T INVITE 200 PEOPLE!)
It's basically why you should never ever put anything that can be connected to you IRL on the net unless it's 100% professional (which facebook isn't) 
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.07.19 11:42:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Ivana Drake
Originally by: Jacob Mei
This is just another example of a growing pile of proof that social networking sites are one of the worst ideas in the long history of bad ideas. People are just too naive with information these days regardless of how innocent the intent may have been at the time. If its something that can be twisted and turned against you, it will be by a person so lined.
Employers look there (had someone at my last job get fired for something they put on there)
Police look there (to protect us from bad men!)
Bored strangers looking for parties to go to look there (I DIDN'T INVITE 200 PEOPLE!)
It's basically why you should never ever put anything that can be connected to you IRL on the net unless it's 100% professional (which facebook isn't)
Socializing on the Internet is fun! It's like those Japanese girls who get groped by old men on crowded public transport.
Full of win.
-Jin Nib
Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since:
2009.03.02 03:53:00
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2009.07.19 12:11:00 -
[25]
UK police are fail and should have their budgets cut, especially in these places where they seem to have "nothing to do" as another poster said.
Seriously, cut the military and police spending a bit and we can start paying out deficit and enjoy a bit of peace and quiet.
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Artoxis Lugh
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Posted - 2009.07.19 12:42:00 -
[26]
Originally by: TimMc
UK police are fail and should have their budgets cut, especially in these places where they seem to have "nothing to do" as another poster said.
Seriously, cut the military and police spending a bit and we can start paying out deficit and enjoy a bit of peace and quiet.
Except when your house gets broken into or someone assaults you in the street, there never seems to be a copper in sight.
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Mephesto Nizal
Best Path Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.19 12:53:00 -
[27]
/handpalm
If they were so worried, they could have contacted the party organiser for clarification, and perhaps leave someone behind to monitor progress.
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Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.07.19 15:27:00 -
[28]
Originally by: TimMc
UK police are fail and should have their budgets cut, especially in these places where they seem to have "nothing to do" as another poster said.
Seriously, cut the military and police spending a bit and we can start paying out deficit and enjoy a bit of peace and quiet.
lol @ this guy
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EpiC Fa1L
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.07.20 07:05:00 -
[29]
Your lawmakers really should find some poon. At least it would be a better use of their time.
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Thuranni
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
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Posted - 2009.07.20 07:17:00 -
[30]
Quote:
Andrew Poole, who was celebrating his 30th birthday, claimed police riot vans turned up before any music was played.
But police said it had been advertised on the internet as an all-night party.
So wait, all night parties are illegal in the UK?
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 07:28:00 -
[31]
Edited by: F''nog on 20/07/2009 07:28:03
Originally by: Vaden Khale
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.
And then they shoot and kill you. Good job. You've successfully proven what a badass you are.
Edit - tense
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero!  /me bows
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Thuranni
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
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Posted - 2009.07.20 07:34:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Vaden Khale
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.
You are so hardcore. I wish I could be more like you. 
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Albert O'Balsam
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Posted - 2009.07.20 11:35:00 -
[33]
As someone who has been on the receiving end of an all night rave for 4 years running and a local authority and local police service who all say they can do nothing to stop it - I find the information in the Criminal justice and public order act very informative ;)
Also for anyone not in the UK who might not know - you have to take the "views" of the daily mail with a pinch of salt as there political standpoint is somewhat skewed into thinking the whole world is out to get them. This is the paper that famously dedicated its first 15 pages to the story about one of the royal princes going to a fancy dress party dressed as a ****. An act which was wrong - but not that wrong.
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Iasius
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 12:28:00 -
[34]
IMO the UK Daily Mail has the most insidious rhetoric. It appeals to closet right wing bigots and to a most parochial view of Brtish patriotism. Its basically the British version of Foxnews.
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Kurfin
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Posted - 2009.07.20 14:38:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Thuranni
Quote:
Andrew Poole, who was celebrating his 30th birthday, claimed police riot vans turned up before any music was played.
But police said it had been advertised on the internet as an all-night party.
So wait, all night parties are illegal in the UK?
Back in the early '90s there were lots of raves outside in the middle of nowhere, abandoned warehouses that kind of thing. The government at the time in a sledgehammer cracking nut manner outlawed gathering of more than 20 (I think it was 20, feel free to correct) people without a licence.
Often if everything is kept fairly quiet you'll have no trouble. And even if your neighbours complain you'll probably just get a warning. In this case it just seems as if Devon & Cornwall police went off at the deep end, and are now paying the PR price for it.
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Cipher7
Slag Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.20 14:59:00 -
[36]
It's not illegal to BBQ in the UK.
It's just illegal to be successful and independently wealthy.
Happiness is not illegal yet but highly frowned upon.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:55:00 -
[37]
I miss the days when you could go to the Farm Bureau and buy a box of dynamite.
Parties where so much more fun then.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 18:58:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Kurfin
Back in the early 2009's there were lots of raves outside in the middle of nowhere, abandoned warehouses that kind of thing...
fyp
enforcement varies with the county. Some will tolerate well-run, non-obnoxious raves; others will over-react
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.07.20 23:23:00 -
[39]
****IN RAAVES, DAMN RIGHT ITS DEVVVO TYME
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
A Pretty Pony Princess
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.21 00:41:00 -
[40]
Manditory Linkage
And to finish, thank you for reading my sig
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Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd.
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.21 15:32:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Sniper Wolf18
Manditory Linkage
Fixed.
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Atomos Darksun
Damage Incorporated.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 17:01:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: Sniper Wolf18
Manditory Linkage
Fixed.
FAIL
Originally by: Amoxin
My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
Linkification, Baby. |
Vaden Khale
Amarr
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.07.22 02:01:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Vaden Khale on 22/07/2009 02:02:21
Originally by: F'nog
Edited by: F''nog on 20/07/2009 07:28:03
Originally by: Vaden Khale
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.
And then they shoot and kill you. Good job. You've successfully proven what a badass you are.
Edit - tense
Um, roommates and I have done this before? We live in the Midwest, everyone's armed, and cops know not to pull stupid ****. I've been at parties where minors were being served and cops knocked, walked in, and made sure everyone was OK, and then left. Point was not to prove to be a badass. Point was that I, and every other citizen here, has the right to have a ****ing BBQ on our property and play some music, and cops aren't going to pull stupid **** like this because of aforementioned 2nd Amendment. My roommate has held a rifle pointed at a cop that tried to enter his house at night for some stupid reason and the cop backed off. Welcome to the sticks.
Edit for fail proofreading.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.22 02:04:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Vaden Khale
Edited by: Vaden Khale on 22/07/2009 02:02:21
Originally by: F'nog
Edited by: F''nog on 20/07/2009 07:28:03
Originally by: Vaden Khale
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.
And then they shoot and kill you. Good job. You've successfully proven what a badass you are.
Edit - tense
Um, roommates and I have done this before? We live in the Midwest, everyone's armed, and cops know not to pull stupid ****. I've been at parties where minors were being served and cops knocked, walked in, and made sure everyone was OK, and then left. Point was not to prove to be a badass. Point was that I, and every other citizen here, has the right to have a ****ing BBQ on our property and play some music, and cops aren't going to pull stupid **** like this because of aforementioned 2nd Amendment. My roommate has held a rifle pointed at a cop that tried to enter his house at night for some stupid reason and the cop backed off. Welcome to the sticks.
Edit for fail proofreading.
COUGHBull****!COUGH
COUGHuseofadeadlyweaponCOUGH
Man something seems to be stuck in my throat tonight
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Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd.
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.22 02:06:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Vaden Khale
Edited by: Vaden Khale on 22/07/2009 02:02:21
Originally by: F'nog
Edited by: F''nog on 20/07/2009 07:28:03
Originally by: Vaden Khale
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.
And then they shoot and kill you. Good job. You've successfully proven what a badass you are.
Edit - tense
Um, roommates and I have done this before? We live in the Midwest, everyone's armed, and cops know not to pull stupid ****. I've been at parties where minors were being served and cops knocked, walked in, and made sure everyone was OK, and then left. Point was not to prove to be a badass. Point was that I, and every other citizen here, has the right to have a ****ing BBQ on our property and play some music, and cops aren't going to pull stupid **** like this because of aforementioned 2nd Amendment. My roommate has held a rifle pointed at a cop that tried to enter his house at night for some stupid reason and the cop backed off. Welcome to the sticks.
Edit for fail proofreading.
COUGHBull****!COUGH
COUGHuseofadeadlyweaponCOUGH
Man something seems to be stuck in my throat tonight
Well, it could have happened. One time Bill Clinton tried to use my toilet, and I held a shotgun to his face and told the commie bastard to leave my property!
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Glarion Garnier
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.07.22 09:55:00 -
[46]
Some pll seem to be mixed up about Act's and laws.
Good starting point would be to
get a law dictionary definition for an act.
While you are at it get definitions for legal , lawfull and legalese as well.
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-be vary of the men behind the curtain-
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.22 10:15:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Glarion Garnier
Some pll seem to be mixed up about Act's and laws.
They are pretty much one and the same unless you are legislating or involved in the legal process.
I can talk about the UK's drug laws or I can talk about the Misuse of Drugs Act, but for all intents and purposes they are one and the same unless the Act is being modified (by a Bill) or I am being charged under a specific section.
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Vaden Khale
Amarr
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:35:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Vaden Khale
Edited by: Vaden Khale on 22/07/2009 02:02:21
Originally by: F'nog
Edited by: F''nog on 20/07/2009 07:28:03
Originally by: Vaden Khale
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.
And then they shoot and kill you. Good job. You've successfully proven what a badass you are.
Edit - tense
Um, roommates and I have done this before? We live in the Midwest, everyone's armed, and cops know not to pull stupid ****. I've been at parties where minors were being served and cops knocked, walked in, and made sure everyone was OK, and then left. Point was not to prove to be a badass. Point was that I, and every other citizen here, has the right to have a ****ing BBQ on our property and play some music, and cops aren't going to pull stupid **** like this because of aforementioned 2nd Amendment. My roommate has held a rifle pointed at a cop that tried to enter his house at night for some stupid reason and the cop backed off. Welcome to the sticks.
Edit for fail proofreading.
COUGHBull****!COUGH
COUGHuseofadeadlyweaponCOUGH
Man something seems to be stuck in my throat tonight
COUGHcopwasstupidandtryingtoenterthroughthebackdooratnightwithoutidentifyinghimselforhavingsirensonsocouldhaveenanyonehenceoutwithgunsdrawncauseyoudonteffroundinthesticksCOUGH
Man, I got something stuck too...
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.22 15:57:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Vaden Khale
COUGHforumbreakageCOUGH
Man, I got something stuck too...
COUGHBull****againCOUGH
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.07.22 16:23:00 -
[50]
Lots of Swine flu in this thread.
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.07.22 16:41:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
****IN RAAVES, DAMN RIGHT ITS DEVVVO TYME
the chav link is strong 
Trinity Corporate Services |
Inara Subaka
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.07.22 22:11:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
COUGHBull****!COUGH
COUGHuseofadeadlyweaponCOUGH
Man something seems to be stuck in my throat tonight
Mikey, buddy boy, I'm the one that he's talking about. No bull**** to it.
We like to exercise our "Castle Law" rights that Kansas has in place. That includes uninvited (and unwarranted) search/seizure of properties (which is also an Amendment).
I'd just like to say you're a dumbass if you don't protect you and yours from other people AND the government.
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Heavy Influence
Atropos.
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Posted - 2009.07.22 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 22/07/2009 22:36:30
At a police officer's discretion, you can get arrested under suspicion of terrorism in this country, held for I believe 4 weeks without being told anything, then released back into a world you vanished from - that generally means you lose your job and possibly your house too.
Oooh, and on top of that if you're on a work Visa, as you've lost your job because you've been gone for four weeks, you immediately get re-arrested and deported.
All signed under the Labour government of this country, voted in by the voters to promote greater equality, freedom and fairness in the social system...
On top of this, the police can legally quash all forms of protest (even with violence)and censor the press.
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.22 22:34:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Inara Subaka
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
COUGHBull****!COUGH
COUGHuseofadeadlyweaponCOUGH
Man something seems to be stuck in my throat tonight
Mikey, buddy boy, I'm the one that he's talking about. No bull**** to it.
We like to exercise our "Castle Law" rights that Kansas has in place. That includes uninvited (and unwarranted) search/seizure of properties (which is also an Amendment).
I'd just like to say you're a dumbass if you don't protect you and yours from other people AND the government.
Allow me to state a few points as you keep trying to pathetically lie to me.
1. Officers just don't 'stroll' through the back door. I know that an officer may be place at the rear of the house in info comes up that a suspect with a warrant may be present (wouldn't want him leaving through the back door now).
2. When the Officer knocks on the front door, they announce their presence. Also lights and sirens are not always needed, it depends on the situation.
3. For vehicles they need reasonable cause for search and seizure and for houses they need a warrant.
4. However if a firearm or any other object that can cause injury to an officer in a threatening manner is presented in a threatening manner then they have full rights to subdue, disarm, and arrest the perpetrator using reasonable force and that does mean gaining entry into the residence although in most cases they will try to talk the suspect out instead. This is known as Use of a deadly weapon and the charge can even be brought up to assault with a deadly weapon if you really push your luck.
5. Castle Doctrine in Kansas implies that you may stand your ground but may only use reasonable force if necessary. Knowing that officers just don't go barging in with guns drawn this means your use of raising a firearm is not reasonable making you a murderer son.
6. My father was a Mp in the AF and later became a state trooper and then worked in the city after that. One of my best friends works at the local correctional institutions currently and is going through police training. I have conversations with all my local officers every Sunday at the gas station when they show up for breaks. I have the majority of my fathers law books. I watch way too many law enforcement shows and I'm not talking about CSI:wherever but one where they actually discuss the crime.
7. I also know that should you fire, they will fire back and there are more of them than there are of you.
8. I also know that you are an alt trying to pass off as the 'friend'.
Whats the old saying? If you lie enough times you start to believe it yourself?
Carry on with your bull****.
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Vaden Khale
Amarr
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.07.23 00:00:00 -
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Not the first time we're accused of being alts, he's my roommate silly. And yeah, normal police procedure does state that. But these cops were stupid. As far as warrants go, there was a hilarious time when Inara got arrested, the cop showed up, alone, and allowed Inara upstairs to change. Inara keeps four rifles at bedside, all of which were in arms reach. Cop also allowed me to walk up behind him. Then he didn't frisk Inara and they find a knife on him at the police station. And yeah, I worked in a police station in high school, cops are ****ing ******ed for the most part. As far as your responses...
1. Procedure says not to, again, cops are ****ing ******ed.
2. No arguments there.
3. No arguments there.
4. No argument there, however if in reference to Inara pulling the rifle on the guy, he hadn't announced himself, he was alone, at night, in the sticks. You don't take chances with that ****.
5. Assuming they've properly identified themselves, yes.
6. Good for you.
7. Once again, there was one cop in both situations. Even numbers, or he was outnumbered. For the record, when Inara got arrested (lulz) we had no intention of doing anything, cop was doing his job, albeit stupidly, cause he didn't know we wouldn't have done anything. He had a warrant, went through proper procedure, all well and good.
8. You're wrong, you could ask anyone in any of the corporations we've ever been in.
As far as the county, I'm not sure, I'll have Inara post it.
Also, you have a very high opinion of the marksmanship of police. They are horrible. They are like CVA at PvP. I've seen an MP miss a deer's head from ****ing TWO FEET AWAY! I mean, srsly!? No, wasn't us that hit the deer, but my dad and I found it, and well, roadkill grill.
In summation, Michael is funny, and this entire thread has devolved into this...
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.23 00:29:00 -
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How do you not know what county you live in? Do they not post signs on the roads? Do you not have a registered vehicle or phone book?
In any case I'll wait. No county and date, then its bull****.
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Inara Subaka
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.07.23 00:37:00 -
[57]
*takes deep breath and slips on boots* This **** is getting deep.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
1. Officers just don't 'stroll' through the back door. I know that an officer may be place at the rear of the house in info comes up that a suspect with a warrant may be present (wouldn't want him leaving through the back door now).
You're right, he didn't come inside, he came up to the back porch where there was no light; while the front porchlight was on and front door was open. It was the middle of the night, I had called in to tell them that a deer had hit me and screwed up my car. I was told an officer would stop by in the morning to write a report on it... he decided to show up that night.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
2. When the Officer knocks on the front door, they announce their presence. Also lights and sirens are not always needed, it depends on the situation.
If he would have came to the front door, I would not have ever had this problem.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
3. For vehicles they need reasonable cause for search and seizure and for houses they need a warrant.
Again, correct, but at the time I couldn't identify who it was walking in the dark.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
4. However if a firearm or any other object that can cause injury to an officer in a threatening manner is presented in a threatening manner then they have full rights to subdue, disarm, and arrest the perpetrator using reasonable force and that does mean gaining entry into the residence although in most cases they will try to talk the suspect out instead. This is known as Use of a deadly weapon and the charge can even be brought up to assault with a deadly weapon if you really push your luck.
Again, he was on my property, and he identified himself as soon as I made my presence known and he got close enough that the I could make him out. Once that happened there were no more problems.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
5. Castle Doctrine in Kansas implies that you may stand your ground but may only use reasonable force if necessary. Knowing that officers just don't go barging in with guns drawn this means your use of raising a firearm is not reasonable making you a murderer son.
I didn't know it was an officer, Reno County is known for drug production and there had been a few break-ins around that time. At the time, the closest other human was a few miles away, I wasn't taking any chances. And he was on my property, with an unknown amount of force at his disposal; as Dad always told me when I was still living there, 'better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6'.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
6. My father was a Mp in the AF and later became a state trooper and then worked in the city after that. One of my best friends works at the local correctional institutions currently and is going through police training. I have conversations with all my local officers every Sunday at the gas station when they show up for breaks. I have the majority of my fathers law books. I watch way too many law enforcement shows and I'm not talking about CSI:wherever but one where they actually discuss the crime.
So?
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
7. I also know that should you fire, they will fire back and there are more of them than there are of you.
There was one person, and I never fired, so it's a non-issue.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
8. I also know that you are an alt trying to pass off as the 'friend'.
/facepalm. No, we're not the same person. Don't believe me, ask anyone in PRETA.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Whats the old saying? If you lie enough times you start to believe it yourself?
Carry on with your bull****.
On an after thought if you would like to continue this little charade you can let me know what county you are in and when it happened and I'll look up the case file myself.
Reno County, KS. would have been in '01-'02. No report was wrote except the one about the deer hitting my car 'cause nothing happened to report.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.23 01:06:00 -
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Ok so far I've got one guy telling me he did try to enter:
Originally by: Vaden Khale
My roommate has held a rifle pointed at a cop that tried to enter his house at night for some stupid reason and the cop backed off. Welcome to the sticks.
And one guy who said that he didn't:
Originally by: Inara Subaka
You're right, he didn't come inside, he came up to the back porch where there was no light; while the front porchlight was on and front door was open. It was the middle of the night, I had called in to tell them that a deer had hit me and screwed up my car. I was told an officer would stop by in the morning to write a report on it... he decided to show up that night.
Which would make this invalid:
Originally by: Inara Subaka
That includes uninvited (and unwarranted) search/seizure of properties (which is also an Amendment).
As he was not trying to enter. Now if the front porch light was on and the back light wasn't I have to wonder why an officer would go around back and then not knock on the door or announce himself.
Also since he didn't announce himself I'm curious as to how you knew he was back there. Further more I'm wondering why you were at your back door with a rifle. I'm also curious why he would act in a suspicious way on such a routine call (which doesn't require lights and sirens as a matter of fact).
And then there's my favorite bit which I was expecting:
Originally by: Inara Subaka
Reno County, KS. would have been in '01-'02. No report was wrote except the one about the deer hitting my car 'cause nothing happened to report.
You pointed a gun at the man and you say there was nothing to report.
I hate to tell you bud but an officers workday is recorded from the moment he logs in to the moment he goes home and information like that is very useful in the court of law.
Not to mention that date. '01-'02. Gee thanks mister, only 2 years of records to look through. We can narrow down though if you eve mail me your last name but we both already know you won't do that.
Excellent story though, I'll be sure to add it to my urban legends. If you think you can narrow down that date with an insurance claim or whatever then feel free to post it but until then its bull****.
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Vaden Khale
Amarr
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.07.23 02:00:00 -
[59]
Well, wasn't my story, got a part wrong as far as walking up to the back/going in through the back. My bad.
Also, since this is really going no where...
NO U!
DIE IN A FIRE(in game)!
BECAUSE OF FALCON!
FOFOFO!
KEKEKE!
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Inara Subaka
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:43:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
As he was not trying to enter. Now if the front porch light was on and the back light wasn't I have to wonder why an officer would go around back and then not knock on the door or announce himself.
No clue either, he didn't have a good reason when I asked him.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Also since he didn't announce himself I'm curious as to how you knew he was back there. Further more I'm wondering why you were at your back door with a rifle. I'm also curious why he would act in a suspicious way on such a routine call (which doesn't require lights and sirens as a matter of fact).
Front door open, middle of nowhere, middle of the night... I heard the care a quarter mile away and figured it was neighbor from a mile down getting home from the planting. I wasn't waiting at my back door with the rifle, I saw the car pull in and start driving around the house; which led me to grab the rifle and go out the back door. And finally, you and me both; there was no reason for him to come to the back, especially considering the recent happenings in the area. |
rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Soldiers of Solitude
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Posted - 2009.07.23 19:44:00 -
[61]
Originally by: F'nog
Edited by: F''nog on 20/07/2009 07:28:03
Originally by: Vaden Khale
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.
And then they shoot and kill you. Good job. You've successfully proven what a badass you are.
Edit - tense
HAHAHHAHA darwin award |
THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.07.23 20:29:00 -
[62]
Anyone else think page 2 reads like a Michael Bay movie? |
Xen Gin
Solar Excavations Ultd.
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: Xen Gin on 23/07/2009 22:12:00
Originally by: THE L0CK
Anyone else think page 2 reads like a Michael Bay movie?
A Michael Bay movie doesn't read, it randomly explodes, reasons are neither apparent nor needed! |
THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.07.23 22:22:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Xen Gin
Edited by: Xen Gin on 23/07/2009 22:12:00
Originally by: THE L0CK
Anyone else think page 2 reads like a Michael Bay movie?
A Michael Bay movie doesn't read, it randomly explodes, reasons are neither apparent nor needed!
Well that was kinda of my point, there was lots of action and explosions with massive holes in the plot but its cool if you switch your brain off. |
Tipsy
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2009.07.24 11:00:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
I'm surprised they weren't branded as terrorists . Makes me glad to have the Constitution.
A codified Constitution doesn't always prevent the police from doing things which look, without seeing all the facts, pretty unreasonable. I'm not even going to go into detaining a US citizen for 4 years without due process of law (though we have our own experience of this), proper criminal trials not being offered to non-citizens in that situation, or warrantless wiretapping.
A quote from a police officer in the Daily Mail article - "She said local residents were concerned due to previous raves having reportedly taken place in the area with loud music and traffic disruption into the early hours". Already it begins to make more sense, though it still sounds heavy-handed.
Things like this happen, they get publicised, and if the public are particularly irritated by it the law will change. I'm pretty sure that's how it works in the US too.
Oh, and I'll just remind British folk that that law was introduced by a Conservative government...
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Atomos Darksun
Damage Incorporated.
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Posted - 2009.07.26 23:43:00 -
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Conservatives are funny.
Originally by: Amoxin
My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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