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Norsten
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Posted - 2004.09.28 08:42:00 -
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Too easily exploitable
Both sides should agree to war
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Norsten
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Posted - 2004.09.28 08:42:00 -
[2]
Too easily exploitable
Both sides should agree to war
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.09.28 08:43:00 -
[3]
no.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.09.28 08:43:00 -
[4]
no.
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.09.28 08:44:00 -
[5]
dis-agree
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Aneu Angellus
Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.09.28 08:44:00 -
[6]
dis-agree
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Aneu Angellus
Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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Meehan
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Posted - 2004.09.28 08:48:00 -
[7]
No
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Meehan
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Posted - 2004.09.28 08:48:00 -
[8]
No
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Dai'mon
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Posted - 2004.09.28 08:59:00 -
[9]
Big fat no.
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Dai'mon
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Posted - 2004.09.28 08:59:00 -
[10]
Big fat no.
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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.09.28 09:02:00 -
[11]
A vast, towering "NO" that blocks out the sun. |
meowcat
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Posted - 2004.09.28 09:02:00 -
[12]
A vast, towering "NO" that blocks out the sun. |
Speknek
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Posted - 2004.09.28 09:28:00 -
[13]
Declaring war is no exploit.
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Speknek
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Posted - 2004.09.28 09:28:00 -
[14]
Declaring war is no exploit.
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Solloeb
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Posted - 2004.09.28 09:51:00 -
[15]
sorry but its no fair on smaller corps with out any alliances when a big corp not to mention any names (Biomass Cartel) just wage war on you for fun and ask 100 mil or a battleship and they wont wage war now when a new corp is full of new players and dont really wanna join an alliance just wanna be for ur self its a bit ironic when there are the bigger pirate corps just randomly picking somone and start to ruin every one in the corps day
heres what happend biomass cartel declares war on my corp where a new corp building up nothing of interest to these biomass people i mean their experienced pvpers where peacefull miners trying to build the corp up and then biomass come along and ruin this in the end killing the corp off becouse we dont have any thing to fight them with nor do we have any thing to give them ive tried to tell them this we have filed a pettition havent come back yet any awnser tho
problem is people tell us to run away disband the corp use alts to mine ignore them when their activly camping u for 24 hours they killed and podded 2 of our members allready one of witch had just gotten her omen wasnt insured a new player who had just extended trial period now u say stay in npc corp and people cant wage war on you why shuld this be i mean ok it keeps you safe but wheres the fun in just being in a npc corp when u can build up and try make a living in your own one please dont get me wrong pvp is most likley fun but not when the corp is new and just trying to kick off im not whining but its a bit unfair when a corp of experienced pvp pirates start harrassing a corp thats new and just kicking off with the member count just mostly newer eve players
At one point in life a man has to make a disicion one that he will have to face the rest of his life .......
Will i eat the cookie or wont i ? |
Solloeb
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Posted - 2004.09.28 09:51:00 -
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sorry but its no fair on smaller corps with out any alliances when a big corp not to mention any names (Biomass Cartel) just wage war on you for fun and ask 100 mil or a battleship and they wont wage war now when a new corp is full of new players and dont really wanna join an alliance just wanna be for ur self its a bit ironic when there are the bigger pirate corps just randomly picking somone and start to ruin every one in the corps day
heres what happend biomass cartel declares war on my corp where a new corp building up nothing of interest to these biomass people i mean their experienced pvpers where peacefull miners trying to build the corp up and then biomass come along and ruin this in the end killing the corp off becouse we dont have any thing to fight them with nor do we have any thing to give them ive tried to tell them this we have filed a pettition havent come back yet any awnser tho
problem is people tell us to run away disband the corp use alts to mine ignore them when their activly camping u for 24 hours they killed and podded 2 of our members allready one of witch had just gotten her omen wasnt insured a new player who had just extended trial period now u say stay in npc corp and people cant wage war on you why shuld this be i mean ok it keeps you safe but wheres the fun in just being in a npc corp when u can build up and try make a living in your own one please dont get me wrong pvp is most likley fun but not when the corp is new and just trying to kick off im not whining but its a bit unfair when a corp of experienced pvp pirates start harrassing a corp thats new and just kicking off with the member count just mostly newer eve players
At one point in life a man has to make a disicion one that he will have to face the rest of his life .......
Will i eat the cookie or wont i ? |
Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.09.28 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 28/09/2004 10:08:32
It's called extortion, and relatively new corporations are a prime target yes. Best ways to handle an extortion attempt ?
1. call in Seleene and pay more, but keep your honour.
2. call their bluff and denounce them on the forums like this.
3. move house to somewhere in the south, where biomass isnt frequently seen and most likely will not bother following for the price of a single battleship.
All in all, you either deal with it or dissolve and die. Making wars consensual is not an option.
It's a difficult subject since extortion can present a serious hurdle to corporations like yours on one hand, but removing the ability to extort (by making wars consensual only) would change the game too much.
Non-consensuality of combat is an important tool within Eve.
It is a main tool in the longterm warfare between large corporations.
In my opinion Eve sees too little real longterm warfare. A target should be decided on, objectives determined, and any availiable means utilised in achieving them. If that means you need to prevent a corporation from functioning that is where Empire wars come in. Without them noone can prevent corporations from functioning, making any war pointless.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.09.28 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 28/09/2004 10:08:32
It's called extortion, and relatively new corporations are a prime target yes. Best ways to handle an extortion attempt ?
1. call in Seleene and pay more, but keep your honour.
2. call their bluff and denounce them on the forums like this.
3. move house to somewhere in the south, where biomass isnt frequently seen and most likely will not bother following for the price of a single battleship.
All in all, you either deal with it or dissolve and die. Making wars consensual is not an option.
It's a difficult subject since extortion can present a serious hurdle to corporations like yours on one hand, but removing the ability to extort (by making wars consensual only) would change the game too much.
Non-consensuality of combat is an important tool within Eve.
It is a main tool in the longterm warfare between large corporations.
In my opinion Eve sees too little real longterm warfare. A target should be decided on, objectives determined, and any availiable means utilised in achieving them. If that means you need to prevent a corporation from functioning that is where Empire wars come in. Without them noone can prevent corporations from functioning, making any war pointless.
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.09.28 10:02:00 -
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Change corp war - atm no.
You still have choices.
1. Grab yourself a bunch of frigs/cruisers - you can kill BS's
2. Move away.
3. Hire some mercs to do the fighting (Bodycount Inc. have a great track record)
With Shiva stuff will change and war will get expensive - enjoy it while you can.
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.09.28 10:02:00 -
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Change corp war - atm no.
You still have choices.
1. Grab yourself a bunch of frigs/cruisers - you can kill BS's
2. Move away.
3. Hire some mercs to do the fighting (Bodycount Inc. have a great track record)
With Shiva stuff will change and war will get expensive - enjoy it while you can.
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Mirelath
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Posted - 2004.09.28 10:08:00 -
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I see it from both sides. I dont see why a new corp of relatively new pepole should have to be declared war upon just for the sake of it, especially when they stand no chance at all - IE frigates with few modules and few skills VS gangs and gangs of battleships with great skills.
I also see that wars may need to go on in empire space, and that if both sides had to declare, it wouldn't really work.
Therefore, couldnt a simple solution such as allowing newly formed corps a grasce period (2 weeks -> month or something) in which they will be free from war declerations. To try and prevent explotion, they also cannot declare war on anyone during this period either.
Just an idea.
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Mirelath
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Posted - 2004.09.28 10:08:00 -
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I see it from both sides. I dont see why a new corp of relatively new pepole should have to be declared war upon just for the sake of it, especially when they stand no chance at all - IE frigates with few modules and few skills VS gangs and gangs of battleships with great skills.
I also see that wars may need to go on in empire space, and that if both sides had to declare, it wouldn't really work.
Therefore, couldnt a simple solution such as allowing newly formed corps a grasce period (2 weeks -> month or something) in which they will be free from war declerations. To try and prevent explotion, they also cannot declare war on anyone during this period either.
Just an idea.
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Solloeb
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Posted - 2004.09.28 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Solloeb on 28/09/2004 10:23:10
guys theres a problem with all this we cant fight them we aint got money for it if we culd of payed them not to attack us i think we wuld of and if we aint got money to pay them off i dont really think we have money to hire mercs
and they arent bluffing they allready killed 2 of our memebers
At one point in life a man has to make a disicion one that he will have to face the rest of his life .......
Will i eat the cookie or wont i ? |
Solloeb
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Posted - 2004.09.28 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Solloeb on 28/09/2004 10:23:10
guys theres a problem with all this we cant fight them we aint got money for it if we culd of payed them not to attack us i think we wuld of and if we aint got money to pay them off i dont really think we have money to hire mercs
and they arent bluffing they allready killed 2 of our memebers
At one point in life a man has to make a disicion one that he will have to face the rest of his life .......
Will i eat the cookie or wont i ? |
Moneta
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Posted - 2004.09.28 10:24:00 -
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Move your assets to the south of empire space and forget about biomass for three weeks.
Within 3 weeks that war will have been retracted.
As Marcus said, biomass operate in the northern parts of eve mainly, which means going to the southwest will be too much trouble for killing a few frigs and a cruiser.
Oh, and biomass, going into war with a new corp for 100 million ? You guys must be desperate.
 Originally by: Aneu Angellus
Iv held back from posting on this thread for quite some time, but i think the time had come for me to come in and post.
Aneu
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Moneta
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Posted - 2004.09.28 10:24:00 -
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Move your assets to the south of empire space and forget about biomass for three weeks.
Within 3 weeks that war will have been retracted.
As Marcus said, biomass operate in the northern parts of eve mainly, which means going to the southwest will be too much trouble for killing a few frigs and a cruiser.
Oh, and biomass, going into war with a new corp for 100 million ? You guys must be desperate.
Originally by: Aneu Angellus
Iv held back from posting on this thread for quite some time, but i think the time had come for me to come in and post.
Aneu
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.09.28 10:26:00 -
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Dude - move.
I know that it sounds unfair or whatever but if you're unwilling to jump into a combat frig and do the business, can't afford to hire mercs (some corps will provide a "free" service against real pirate corps). Coming over here makes it sound like a "whine" and the cheese quotes will soon flow. 
Keep mobile - they'll soon get sick of looking for you and find an easier target.
Eve is big.
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.09.28 10:26:00 -
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Dude - move.
I know that it sounds unfair or whatever but if you're unwilling to jump into a combat frig and do the business, can't afford to hire mercs (some corps will provide a "free" service against real pirate corps). Coming over here makes it sound like a "whine" and the cheese quotes will soon flow.
Keep mobile - they'll soon get sick of looking for you and find an easier target.
Eve is big.
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Solloeb
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Posted - 2004.09.28 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Solloeb on 28/09/2004 10:41:37
Edited by: Solloeb on 28/09/2004 10:41:31
*sigh* if its the only way i guess moving will be our only option
thanks for any advice u culd give any way folks greatly aprechiated
At one point in life a man has to make a disicion one that he will have to face the rest of his life .......
Will i eat the cookie or wont i ? |
Solloeb
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Posted - 2004.09.28 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: Solloeb on 28/09/2004 10:41:37
Edited by: Solloeb on 28/09/2004 10:41:31
*sigh* if its the only way i guess moving will be our only option
thanks for any advice u culd give any way folks greatly aprechiated
At one point in life a man has to make a disicion one that he will have to face the rest of his life .......
Will i eat the cookie or wont i ? |
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