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Statsministern
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:13:00 -
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Well, we finally got rid of the macro miners, and the ISK seller (for the most part anyways)
Hurrah CCP. BUT, now its even worse, because CCP condones ISK for money now. Only difference now is, that CCP is making the money on it.
Great isnt it.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Statsministern
Well, we finally got rid of the macro miners, and the ISK seller (for the most part anyways)
Doubt it.
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BUT, now its even worse, because CCP condones ISK for money now.
Now?
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Only difference now is, that CCP is making the money on it.
Just like before.
So what's your point?
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Darion Amador
Interstellar Planetary
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Statsministern
Well, we finally got rid of the macro miners, and the ISK seller (for the most part anyways)
Doubt it.
Quote:
BUT, now its even worse, because CCP condones ISK for money now.
Now?
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Only difference now is, that CCP is making the money on it.
Just like before.
So what's your point?
You completely miss the point here. Geez 
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Darion Amador
Originally by: Tippia
So what's your point?
You completely miss the point here. Geez
Speaking of missing the point…  |
Jatri
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jatri on 20/07/2009 00:24:27
Originally by: Statsministern
Well, we finally got rid of the macro miners, and the ISK seller (for the most part anyways)
Hurrah CCP. BUT, now its even worse, because CCP condones ISK for money now. Only difference now is, that CCP is making the money on it.
Great isnt it.
So for a casual player whom might play 5 hours a week. You think he should need to spend 90% of his play time grinding isk to get an hour worth of enjoyment? Or buy a plex and have fun his entire 5 or 6 hours a week.
Sorry but CCP knows exactly what they are doing, they are keeping their player base somewhat happy.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Armoured C on 20/07/2009 00:26:18
actually CCP arn't making any extra money on it at all as it is a GTC that any player can buy and add to there account.
how did you get to this conclusion.
They are still getting the same amount as it is a GTC being brought. Infact they are saving customers considering if people couldnt do this the player count might drop a bit.
Also it encourages people not so well off to still play a game that they enjoy.
The risk vs rewards still comes to it but the risk is with there own cash which bumps it up a notch since you dont want to see your money go up in flames and the rewards is that you get to buy something shiney with what ever you buy has a much more personal value since you have used real life currency to aquire that item.
Your arguement it totally flawed on every single level |
Darion Amador
Interstellar Planetary
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Darion Amador
Originally by: Tippia
So what's your point?
You completely miss the point here. Geez
Speaking of missing the pointà
What?
It's obvious what is beeing said here. I was actually thinking about this earlier today, im currently in empire grinding some LPs, and i notice a huge influx in faction ships etc amongst new players. Clearly PLEX cards is doing a great deal removing the Risk VS Reward system.
The sooner CCP realises this, the better. |
Ecky X
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:26:00 -
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I don't think you know how the plex system works. |
Darion Amador
Interstellar Planetary
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ecky X
I don't think you know how the plex system works.
Whats there to understand?
Players logs on to the eveonline site, player punches in his credit/debit card details, player gets PLEX card, player sells PLEX cards for isk.
That isnt so hard to understand.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Darion Amador
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Darion Amador
Originally by: Tippia
So what's your point?
You completely miss the point here. Geez
Speaking of missing the pointà
What?
It's obvious what is beeing said here. I was actually thinking about this earlier today, im currently in empire grinding some LPs, and i notice a huge influx in faction ships etc amongst new players. Clearly PLEX cards is doing a great deal removing the Risk VS Reward system.
The sooner CCP realises this, the better.
if one of those goes up there risk is that they have used RL money to aquire that item and so it is much more valuable to them for this reason.
you can try and spin it as much as you like but if this wasn't in play TQ would be much more quieter ESPICALLY in this economic downturn we are going through where many have lost there jobs and so using there time they have free they can still play a game that is both fun and enjoyable. sure they have to grind a bit of isk.
CCP have hit this right on the money and it will be much mor popular if the credit crunch gets worst.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Darion Amador
Originally by: Ecky X
I don't think you know how the plex system works.
Whats there to understand?
Players logs on to the eveonline site, player punches in his credit/debit card details, player gets PLEX card, player sells PLEX cards for isk.
That isnt so hard to understand.
congratulations
you forgot the waiting time when purchasing from the eve online site. You will see that code in about 2 weeks time o/ kthanxbi
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fathead mcgee
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:34:00 -
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its like going to a tabletop RPG game and giving the DM money for ingame gold and the right to play/let someone else play
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Armoured C
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: fathead mcgee
its like going to a tabletop RPG game and giving the DM money for ingame gold and the right to play/let someone else play
no it not even close
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Darion Amador
Interstellar Planetary
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:38:00 -
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Armoured C
You're just a huge CCP ass kisser. So non of your "points" are valid. 
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fathead mcgee
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: fathead mcgee
its like going to a tabletop RPG game and giving the DM money for ingame gold and the right to play/let someone else play
uh...that is EXACTLY what it is, perhaps you can come up with a better analolgy?
(lol, anal)
no it not even close
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 20/07/2009 00:42:19
Originally by: Darion Amador
Whats there to understand?
Players logs on to the eveonline site, player punches in his credit/debit card details, player gets PLEX card, player sells PLEX cards for isk.
That isnt so hard to understand.
That part isn't, but it's missing some cruical details.
Such as the market effects on both PLEX and GTC pricing.
Such as the zero-sum game from CCPs perspective.
Such as the ISK flows and its effects on the in-game economy.
Such as the risk-vs-reward compared to actual RMT.
Originally by: fathead mcgee
its like going to a tabletop RPG game and giving the DM money for ingame gold and the right to play/let someone else play
Except for the source of that gold — it isn't from the DM, as you seem to imply. If that's how you think it works, then there is obviously more to it than you understand.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Ecky X
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:42:00 -
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Point is the isk isn't just spawned from nowhere, it's just redistributed.
What is the imbalance you're having an issue with?
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Armoured C
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: fathead mcgee
Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: fathead mcgee
its like going to a tabletop RPG game and giving the DM money for ingame gold and the right to play/let someone else play
uh...that is EXACTLY what it is, perhaps you can come up with a better analolgy?
(lol, anal)
no it not even close
erm why come up with a anology
perhaps you should read my post a few posts up
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actually CCP arn't making any extra money on it at all as it is a GTC that any player can buy and add to there account. how did you get to this conclusion. They are still getting the same amount as it is a GTC being brought. Infact they are saving customers considering if people couldnt do this the player count might drop a bit. Also it encourages people not so well off to still play a game that they enjoy. The risk vs rewards still comes to it but the risk is with there own cash which bumps it up a notch since you dont want to see your money go up in flames and the rewards is that you get to buy something shiney with what ever you buy has a much more personal value since you have used real life currency to aquire that item. Your arguement it totally flawed on every single level
and what would you know you been here on the forums for less than a month and to much you probably a alt which then bring you "valid points" even further because if you believed what you said you would of posted with your main.
ooh noes some atlfaceless nub called me a ass kisser ooh noes what am i going to do
\o/ help me help me
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Darion Amador
Interstellar Planetary
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:50:00 -
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It doesnt matter who gets the money for the plex cards tho. The thing is, that in the consumers eyes, isk is spawned out of no where when he sells a PLEX. And if you fail to see the negative sides of that, then i dunnno what to say.
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Yarik Mendel
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:50:00 -
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small price to strongly discourage farmers
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Darion Amador
in the consumers eyes, isk is spawned out of no where when he sells a PLEX. And if you fail to see the negative sides of that, then i dunnno what to say.
So you're concerned that consumers are apparently uninformed?
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Haakelen
Gallente
Nation of Muppets
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:55:00 -
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Edited by: Haakelen on 20/07/2009 00:55:15
Originally by: Darion Amador
The thing is, that in the consumers eyes, isk is spawned out of no where when he sells a PLEX.
It truly doesn't matter where 14 year olds using their parents' credit cards and half-ton 40 year old neckbeards think the ISK comes from, it does not actually come out of thin air. They can think what they want, and it won't change anything. Perhaps you haven't been informed of the bedrock business principle of 'the customer is always an *******'.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Darion Amador
It doesnt matter who gets the money for the plex cards tho. The thing is, that in the consumers eyes, isk is spawned out of no where when he sells a PLEX. And if you fail to see the negative sides of that, then i dunnno what to say.
you mean like on every mission O_O
my god man everyone in eve is getting isk from nothing.
if you want to babble about something babble on about how there is to much isk in level 4 empire missions. these are how they are funded easily. dont go to the problem
GO TO THE CAUSE
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.07.20 01:15:00 -
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As someone who has never bought or sold a plex -
STOP BEING A CRYBABY!
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Viule Sawyr
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Posted - 2009.07.20 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Darion Amador
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Darion Amador
Originally by: Tippia
So what's your point?
You completely miss the point here. Geez
Speaking of missing the pointà
What?
It's obvious what is beeing said here. I was actually thinking about this earlier today, im currently in empire grinding some LPs, and i notice a huge influx in faction ships etc amongst new players. Clearly PLEX cards is doing a great deal removing the Risk VS Reward system.
The sooner CCP realises this, the better.
Or clearly an "alt toon" of another player whom can afford to buy it.
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Tender Trap
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Posted - 2009.07.20 01:31:00 -
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Classic, lol. Bottom line CCP sells isk for cash. Doesn'T matter if your a good pvper or not you will always be able to afford great gear if your rich enough. On the other end of the coin macro miners and other high end earners love plex, their macro fleets grew 10 fold once they were able to pay for their accounts with isk. I personally know a pilot who bought a mothership and another who help finance his titan from plex sales.
Non of this is good for EVE or helps legitimize a pilots talent in EVE. With enough isk anything is possible in EVE from purchasing a 03 vet account to a Titan. CCP selling isk for cash is epic fail and dumbs down the player base.
I have said it before and will keep saying it CCP has been selling out hardcore players for the prospect of stealing a few soft core gamers from WOW, Epic Fail.
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IsoMetricanTaliac 2
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.07.20 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Darion Amador
It doesnt matter who gets the money for the plex cards tho. The thing is, that in the consumers eyes, isk is spawned out of no where when he sells a PLEX. And if you fail to see the negative sides of that, then i dunnno what to say.
my god man everyone in eve is getting isk from nothing.
if you want to babble about something babble on about how there is to much isk in level 4 empire missions. these are how they are funded easily. dont go to the problem
He wouldn't complain about the level 4's in highsec as he probably does them all the time & THEY have a bigger effect on things than Plex do....
There is a rise in faction ship numbers for several reasons & I don't thik changing Plex or GTC's is going to change it. Faction ships & mods seem to be getting a lot cheaper lately & it could be due to so many of them being brought for LP or gained from cosmos missions <Do they drop faction ship BPC's?>
I personally think the rise in faction ships is due to the ease at which some people are farming level 4 missions & probably level 5's as well for all I know.  So maybe it would be better to look in those directions for the answers to why faction ships are becoming a lot more common...
Anyway just about as long as I have been playing GTC's have been able to be brought for RL $$$ <probably been around since the beginning I only noticed after I had been playing for some time> & sold ingame for ISK & Plex's are just a better way of allowing those same people who buy & re-sell the GTC's to break them into more affordable pieces for those people who like to pay that way.
IF you think doing that hives some sort of advantage then you should be doing it as well, BUT remember that these things are costing $$$ so it isn't something for nothing! It is something that players pay hard earned cash for 
In a Time When Many Will Seek Death, There Will Always Be Those Like Me Who Won't Mind Helping Them Along Their Way!?! |
Sad Spectre
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Posted - 2009.07.20 01:35:00 -
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Edited by: Sad Spectre on 20/07/2009 01:35:54
Originally by: Statsministern
Well, we finally got rid of the macro miners, and the ISK seller (for the most part anyways)
Hurrah CCP. BUT, now its even worse, because CCP condones ISK for money now. Only difference now is, that CCP is making the money on it.
Great isnt it.
Risk Vs Reward still a huge factor. Coz if you buy plexes and then shell the plexes for isk, loosing your ship/stuff/whatever ingame , means you are loosing money.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.07.20 01:48:00 -
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ISK = time = money = PLEX
Hmm. Risk-vs-reward ? Safe.
EVE issues|Mining revamp|Build stuff|Make ISK |
Trabber Shir
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.07.20 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tender Trap
Classic, lol. Bottom line CCP sells isk for cash. Doesn'T matter if your a good pvper or not you will always be able to afford great gear if your rich enough.
This is why most good PvPers in Eve are more proud of their kill mails than their ships. It is a lot harder to buy quality kill mails with cash or ISK.
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