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Twisted Xistance
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:06:00 -
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Hello my real name is chris, I'm a 23 year old male from lancashire in england, I'm 6'6 and I lift weights (I'm a pretty big guy).
Last night I was talking to someone on msn who I know from eve, I've known this person on eve since the days of techell so lets just say I'd known them on eve for a long time, been through a lot of stuff in eve with this person and talked to them numerous times on msn with voice chat ect.
Last night this person asked me if I wanted to come down to manchester and have a drink ect so I thought 'why not' what danger could I possibly be in.
Most of the night went pretty well, the guy and his mate picked me up from the town were I live and drove me down to manchester. We watched a film, had a laugh and had a few drinks.
I was then drugged and sexually assaulted
luckily because I'm a big guy I came to before it got more serious and left the house, I'd brought a weapon with me that I purchased recently just for the sake of having a laugh and showing the guy it. I phoned teh police on my mobile phone and waited outside with the weapon until they arrived.
THIS IS NOT A SICK JOKE THIS IS DEADLY SERIOUS
no matter how well you think you know someone on a game BE CAREFUL!!!!!
I dont want this to happen to anyone else, gof forbid if this had happened to a smaller person who the drugs would of had a greater effect on.
Please heed this warning, NEVER go alone to meet anyone from ANY online game no matter how much you 'think' you know them.
The only good thing I can take away from this is teh hope that what happened to me may stop the same thing from happening to someone else.
For legal reasons I cant pubicly post the eve name of tis person or any information about them.
-First there was nothing then there was Xistance, then it all got kinda Twisted- |
Twisted Xistance
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:06:00 -
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Hello my real name is chris, I'm a 23 year old male from lancashire in england, I'm 6'6 and I lift weights (I'm a pretty big guy).
Last night I was talking to someone on msn who I know from eve, I've known this person on eve since the days of techell so lets just say I'd known them on eve for a long time, been through a lot of stuff in eve with this person and talked to them numerous times on msn with voice chat ect.
Last night this person asked me if I wanted to come down to manchester and have a drink ect so I thought 'why not' what danger could I possibly be in.
Most of the night went pretty well, the guy and his mate picked me up from the town were I live and drove me down to manchester. We watched a film, had a laugh and had a few drinks.
I was then drugged and sexually assaulted
luckily because I'm a big guy I came to before it got more serious and left the house, I'd brought a weapon with me that I purchased recently just for the sake of having a laugh and showing the guy it. I phoned teh police on my mobile phone and waited outside with the weapon until they arrived.
THIS IS NOT A SICK JOKE THIS IS DEADLY SERIOUS
no matter how well you think you know someone on a game BE CAREFUL!!!!!
I dont want this to happen to anyone else, gof forbid if this had happened to a smaller person who the drugs would of had a greater effect on.
Please heed this warning, NEVER go alone to meet anyone from ANY online game no matter how much you 'think' you know them.
The only good thing I can take away from this is teh hope that what happened to me may stop the same thing from happening to someone else.
For legal reasons I cant pubicly post the eve name of tis person or any information about them.
-First there was nothing then there was Xistance, then it all got kinda Twisted- |
Twisted Xistance
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:26:00 -
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nah I'd really rather this stayed on or got a sticky or something.
The guy isnt in techell anymore I was just illustrating a point that I'd knew him on eve for time.
this post is simply intended to warn people about the dangers of meeting people on the net and be hard hitting.
this is what happened to me and I dont want it to happen to anyone else, I tried to make the post as none offensive as possible.
I'm hoping a post like this will get through to people more then some little warning that you get from the game devs.
This actually happened to me
it DOES happen
it wont happen to you if you read the post and take note.
-First there was nothing then there was Xistance, then it all got kinda Twisted- |
Twisted Xistance
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:26:00 -
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nah I'd really rather this stayed on or got a sticky or something.
The guy isnt in techell anymore I was just illustrating a point that I'd knew him on eve for time.
this post is simply intended to warn people about the dangers of meeting people on the net and be hard hitting.
this is what happened to me and I dont want it to happen to anyone else, I tried to make the post as none offensive as possible.
I'm hoping a post like this will get through to people more then some little warning that you get from the game devs.
This actually happened to me
it DOES happen
it wont happen to you if you read the post and take note.
-First there was nothing then there was Xistance, then it all got kinda Twisted- |
Nostradamu5
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:29:00 -
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Well if this isn't going away I must ask a few question.
1. you hook up with a few guys.
2. Then you watch some film, like what kind of film?
3. After the "film" you decide to have some drinks, so where did you have the drinks at? same place you saw the film?
4. Intimate activity?
5. was this in PF-346?
Stop griping about server instability and go buy an EVE mug!
Additionally with the purchase of each mug you will receive two(2) invisible Elves.
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Nostradamu5
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:29:00 -
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Well if this isn't going away I must ask a few question.
1. you hook up with a few guys.
2. Then you watch some film, like what kind of film?
3. After the "film" you decide to have some drinks, so where did you have the drinks at? same place you saw the film?
4. Intimate activity?
5. was this in PF-346?
Stop griping about server instability and go buy an EVE mug!
Additionally with the purchase of each mug you will receive two(2) invisible Elves.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:34:00 -
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I am sorry for what has happened for you, but in this day & age, safety on the internet is a top concern, not just for your children but for us as well.
There are obvious safety tips when meeting someone for the first time such as always meet in a public place, meet as a group (maybe your corp for eg) and of course be careful not to get drunk or accept drinks from strangers.
These are what I would consider general advice to adults such as ourselves in the relam of MMORPG's. For teenagers who play the game, many more 'protections' must be in place and the adult (father/mother for eg) fully aware of what their children are upto when palying eve and talking with people from around the world.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Hakera
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:34:00 -
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I am sorry for what has happened for you, but in this day & age, safety on the internet is a top concern, not just for your children but for us as well.
There are obvious safety tips when meeting someone for the first time such as always meet in a public place, meet as a group (maybe your corp for eg) and of course be careful not to get drunk or accept drinks from strangers.
These are what I would consider general advice to adults such as ourselves in the relam of MMORPG's. For teenagers who play the game, many more 'protections' must be in place and the adult (father/mother for eg) fully aware of what their children are upto when palying eve and talking with people from around the world.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Twisted Xistance
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Nostradamu5
Well if this isn't going away I must ask a few question.
1. you hook up with a few guys.
2. Then you watch some film, like what kind of film?
3. After the "film" you decide to have some drinks, so where did you have the drinks at? same place you saw the film?
4. Intimate activity?
5. was this in PF-346?
yeah there was 2 of em, but really I couldnt of seen it coming, nothing seemed wrong, they both seemed really sound guys. the film we watched was SCUM (pretty good film) the night was really good, the 3 of us were just all havin a drink and a laugh like mates do. There was no warning signs, I couldnt of seen it coming.
people have these steriotype ideas about internet bad guys.
the guy was around the guys were about the same age as me, nothing seemed out of place, they didnt seem weird at all. I'd been talking to this guy on eve and msn for like a year I think.
Honestly there was no way of seeing it coming until it happened.
we were crashed out in his front room having some cans and wine wile we were watching the film, just like I would do with my mates at home. Thats what got me......... how like there were no noticable warning signs at all.
-First there was nothing then there was Xistance, then it all got kinda Twisted- |
Twisted Xistance
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nostradamu5
Well if this isn't going away I must ask a few question.
1. you hook up with a few guys.
2. Then you watch some film, like what kind of film?
3. After the "film" you decide to have some drinks, so where did you have the drinks at? same place you saw the film?
4. Intimate activity?
5. was this in PF-346?
yeah there was 2 of em, but really I couldnt of seen it coming, nothing seemed wrong, they both seemed really sound guys. the film we watched was SCUM (pretty good film) the night was really good, the 3 of us were just all havin a drink and a laugh like mates do. There was no warning signs, I couldnt of seen it coming.
people have these steriotype ideas about internet bad guys.
the guy was around the guys were about the same age as me, nothing seemed out of place, they didnt seem weird at all. I'd been talking to this guy on eve and msn for like a year I think.
Honestly there was no way of seeing it coming until it happened.
we were crashed out in his front room having some cans and wine wile we were watching the film, just like I would do with my mates at home. Thats what got me......... how like there were no noticable warning signs at all.
-First there was nothing then there was Xistance, then it all got kinda Twisted- |
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:50:00 -
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Chris/Twisted, glad to hear that you're relatively ok and things didn't get worse for you. Stay in contact with the local law enforcement authorities and please keep me informed with how things progress. You can send me an e-mail any time.
For those players that want to interact with other players, please heed Chris' experience as a warning. If you are going to meet other players that you haven't met before, do so at a fanfest, large player gathering, or if that is not possible, in a controlled enviroment like a mall or restaurant. Always bring a couple friends with you as well.
Do not think that because you have interacted with someone for a long time online or talked to them over the phone once or twice, that a person is "safe". Also, do not think that because you have are a "Xth Degree Black Belt in <insert martial art name here>" or carry a can of mace, that you are safe.
The internet is a great place to meet people with similar interests and there are stories of great friendships or long-term relationships that started online. There are also tales of internet predators preying on others. Just be safe, be cautious and careful.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:50:00 -
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Chris/Twisted, glad to hear that you're relatively ok and things didn't get worse for you. Stay in contact with the local law enforcement authorities and please keep me informed with how things progress. You can send me an e-mail any time.
For those players that want to interact with other players, please heed Chris' experience as a warning. If you are going to meet other players that you haven't met before, do so at a fanfest, large player gathering, or if that is not possible, in a controlled enviroment like a mall or restaurant. Always bring a couple friends with you as well.
Do not think that because you have interacted with someone for a long time online or talked to them over the phone once or twice, that a person is "safe". Also, do not think that because you have are a "Xth Degree Black Belt in <insert martial art name here>" or carry a can of mace, that you are safe.
The internet is a great place to meet people with similar interests and there are stories of great friendships or long-term relationships that started online. There are also tales of internet predators preying on others. Just be safe, be cautious and careful.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Lady Rainier
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:52:00 -
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i can say that i have met someone i play EVE with but i was very paranoid about it. me being a female and having never met someone i had not seen in person was somewhat of a factor. i have known him since april of this year and he lives in my homestate where i was going on leave in late july. i have to say i grilled the poor guy and asked some very stupid questions and yet i was still uncertain because you can say anything to anyone to get them to trust you. i even ran his name through the online phone book to see if that is where he really lived - and if the company he worked for really existed  so im paranoid - you should be 
our visit went very well. we met in a public place which was actually his idea and then spent most of the rest of the day in public because he knew how mistrusting i was. having done this does not make me anymore trusting of any guy that i talk to on EVE. any person i meet will be in public and someone else i trust will know where i am going - or go with me - and will have my cell number. that is what i did when i met this guy in july. my family knew where i was who i was meeting and also had the guys cell number and home number.
in short there are alot of precautions you have to take - just because they play EVE doesnt mean they are good people. its a great place to meet people and they can tell you anything you want to hear. so be careful out there.....the world is still dangerous!
LIFE IS TO SHORT TO HATE! |
Lady Rainier
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:52:00 -
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i can say that i have met someone i play EVE with but i was very paranoid about it. me being a female and having never met someone i had not seen in person was somewhat of a factor. i have known him since april of this year and he lives in my homestate where i was going on leave in late july. i have to say i grilled the poor guy and asked some very stupid questions and yet i was still uncertain because you can say anything to anyone to get them to trust you. i even ran his name through the online phone book to see if that is where he really lived - and if the company he worked for really existed so im paranoid - you should be
our visit went very well. we met in a public place which was actually his idea and then spent most of the rest of the day in public because he knew how mistrusting i was. having done this does not make me anymore trusting of any guy that i talk to on EVE. any person i meet will be in public and someone else i trust will know where i am going - or go with me - and will have my cell number. that is what i did when i met this guy in july. my family knew where i was who i was meeting and also had the guys cell number and home number.
in short there are alot of precautions you have to take - just because they play EVE doesnt mean they are good people. its a great place to meet people and they can tell you anything you want to hear. so be careful out there.....the world is still dangerous!
LIFE IS TO SHORT TO HATE! |
Tar om
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:55:00 -
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Whether this story is true or not, it contains a valid warning. I don't see why this thread should be closed. If I were CCP I'd add a general warning to news or TnC pretty fast as well.
Meeting online buddies in RL can be a lot of fun, but it is not something you should do alone or if you are a youngster.
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We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net
http://www.serenitymovie.com |
Tar om
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:55:00 -
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Whether this story is true or not, it contains a valid warning. I don't see why this thread should be closed. If I were CCP I'd add a general warning to news or TnC pretty fast as well.
Meeting online buddies in RL can be a lot of fun, but it is not something you should do alone or if you are a youngster.
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We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net
http://www.serenitymovie.com |
LocalHost
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:56:00 -
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I'm happy that it turned out the way it did. That guy is lucky you didn't kill his sick ass. The world is a crazy place people. Full of people that would cut you up into little pieces and freeze some for later.
Sounds sick doesn't it. You have to always be aware of what is going on even with people you think you know.
Glad you ok. Hope they put his ass in jail for a nice long time. That way he can get all the **** he wants/or doesn't want!!  |
LocalHost
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Posted - 2004.09.28 15:56:00 -
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I'm happy that it turned out the way it did. That guy is lucky you didn't kill his sick ass. The world is a crazy place people. Full of people that would cut you up into little pieces and freeze some for later.
Sounds sick doesn't it. You have to always be aware of what is going on even with people you think you know.
Glad you ok. Hope they put his ass in jail for a nice long time. That way he can get all the **** he wants/or doesn't want!! |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:00:00 -
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Wow, I'm glad you are ok (physically at least...)
It seems you were pretty calm in that situation, I may not have been if I were in your shoes... (especially with a weapon and all...)
Unreal...
Can you imagine all the slime who play the SIMS ONLINE & such and use it as a tool for this crap! Amazing...
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:00:00 -
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Wow, I'm glad you are ok (physically at least...)
It seems you were pretty calm in that situation, I may not have been if I were in your shoes... (especially with a weapon and all...)
Unreal...
Can you imagine all the slime who play the SIMS ONLINE & such and use it as a tool for this crap! Amazing...
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Twisted Xistance
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Why did you take a "weapon"
What was it?
1st time you meet these guys,a nd you stay at their house and watch a film with some drinks?
I have to say m8, it doesnt all quite add up.
well you could say that was my precation and I'm really glad I did bring them. The weapon was funnily enough a pair of nunchucks, beleive it or not I tend to carry them around because I love them (and the neigbourhood that I live in is a tad on the dangerous side.
-First there was nothing then there was Xistance, then it all got kinda Twisted- |
Twisted Xistance
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Why did you take a "weapon"
What was it?
1st time you meet these guys,a nd you stay at their house and watch a film with some drinks?
I have to say m8, it doesnt all quite add up.
well you could say that was my precation and I'm really glad I did bring them. The weapon was funnily enough a pair of nunchucks, beleive it or not I tend to carry them around because I love them (and the neigbourhood that I live in is a tad on the dangerous side.
-First there was nothing then there was Xistance, then it all got kinda Twisted- |
Nuala Reece
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
1st time you meet these guys,a nd you stay at their house and watch a film with some drinks?
I have to say m8, it doesnt all quite add up.
It's easy to judge from a distance; a little different when you're in the middle of a situation. I worked with a woman who did everything right - arranged a blind date at midday in the middle of town. Then the guy turned up in his car (it was more convenient, he said), so she got in cos they still weren't leaving town. Then he 'remembered' he had something to pick up from home, did she mind he asked? Of course, once there he invited her in - he didn't want to be rude and leave her waiting in the car. And once inside he tried to sexually assault her.
Every one of the stages leading up to this situation seemed entirely reasonable and well intentioned, it was only at the end of the process that the mistake she'd made became obvious. I'm sure things seemed equally reasonable to Chris, one by one, until it was too late. Seriously, why would you think there'd be a problem if someone you've known for a year decided to bring a freind along to a night out? Why would it seem strange to get a few drinks in the house before going out? Why would it seem strange to stick on a film? (music might be a more traditional choice but I've known people to stick a video on instead).
If you don't mind me being pointed about this - and it's not directed solely at you KIAEddz - I suspect the resistance to this story has more to do with having to contemplate that this was two men assaulting another man than whether the story adds up. I doubt people'd be so quick to downplay this if it'd been a woman posting a similar account.
Hope you're ok Chris, and that the police can get the two guys for this. And I hope it doesn't put you off the rest of the eve community.
Be Free
Freelancing Corp |
Nuala Reece
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Posted - 2004.09.28 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
1st time you meet these guys,a nd you stay at their house and watch a film with some drinks?
I have to say m8, it doesnt all quite add up.
It's easy to judge from a distance; a little different when you're in the middle of a situation. I worked with a woman who did everything right - arranged a blind date at midday in the middle of town. Then the guy turned up in his car (it was more convenient, he said), so she got in cos they still weren't leaving town. Then he 'remembered' he had something to pick up from home, did she mind he asked? Of course, once there he invited her in - he didn't want to be rude and leave her waiting in the car. And once inside he tried to sexually assault her.
Every one of the stages leading up to this situation seemed entirely reasonable and well intentioned, it was only at the end of the process that the mistake she'd made became obvious. I'm sure things seemed equally reasonable to Chris, one by one, until it was too late. Seriously, why would you think there'd be a problem if someone you've known for a year decided to bring a freind along to a night out? Why would it seem strange to get a few drinks in the house before going out? Why would it seem strange to stick on a film? (music might be a more traditional choice but I've known people to stick a video on instead).
If you don't mind me being pointed about this - and it's not directed solely at you KIAEddz - I suspect the resistance to this story has more to do with having to contemplate that this was two men assaulting another man than whether the story adds up. I doubt people'd be so quick to downplay this if it'd been a woman posting a similar account.
Hope you're ok Chris, and that the police can get the two guys for this. And I hope it doesn't put you off the rest of the eve community.
Be Free
Freelancing Corp |
kieron
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Posted - 2004.09.28 17:34:00 -
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I'm going to clean this thread up a bit and take out some of the off-topic posts. This is a topic that can have serious consequences and I would rather have relevant discussion than lock the post because some posters would rather question the assaulted player's actions.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.09.28 17:34:00 -
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I'm going to clean this thread up a bit and take out some of the off-topic posts. This is a topic that can have serious consequences and I would rather have relevant discussion than lock the post because some posters would rather question the assaulted player's actions.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Kunming
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Posted - 2004.09.28 18:16:00 -
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Dude this is so sick I can hardly belive it, glad you made it out there. Thx alot for the warning, will help my judgment better
Intercepting since BETA |
Kunming
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Posted - 2004.09.28 18:16:00 -
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Dude this is so sick I can hardly belive it, glad you made it out there. Thx alot for the warning, will help my judgment better
Intercepting since BETA |
hupa
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Posted - 2004.09.28 18:27:00 -
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strange at the last london eve **** up last easter my drink was spiked with a date******drug i ended up in hospital, luckily enough my girlfriend was with me, so no poof got there wicked way with me, seems theres a serial eve date rapeist out there, anyway im arranging the ireland/belfast **** up anyone found doin anything simular will find there kneecaps removed
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hupa
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Posted - 2004.09.28 18:27:00 -
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strange at the last london eve **** up last easter my drink was spiked with a date******drug i ended up in hospital, luckily enough my girlfriend was with me, so no poof got there wicked way with me, seems theres a serial eve date rapeist out there, anyway im arranging the ireland/belfast **** up anyone found doin anything simular will find there kneecaps removed
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.09.28 18:42:00 -
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This is so freaky and sick.
I cant believe this, if its true,Im glad it all ended good , take care Twisted.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Earthan
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Posted - 2004.09.28 18:42:00 -
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This is so freaky and sick.
I cant believe this, if its true,Im glad it all ended good , take care Twisted.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:09:00 -
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Glad your ok, being drugged like that would be one of the worst things I could think of, not knowing whats wrong.
Can you give us some player names? gotta pod somebody for that
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:09:00 -
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Glad your ok, being drugged like that would be one of the worst things I could think of, not knowing whats wrong.
Can you give us some player names? gotta pod somebody for that
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Kyt Kraiten
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:20:00 -
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nunchunks eh? aren't those illegal? amazing what people'll believe these days. |
Kyt Kraiten
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:20:00 -
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nunchunks eh? aren't those illegal? amazing what people'll believe these days. |
kieron
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Can you give us some player names?
Player names won't be given, nor any other personal information of anyone involved in this matter. It is a matter between the people involved and the local law enforcement. If the police contact CCP for assistance, it will be given to them.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Can you give us some player names?
Player names won't be given, nor any other personal information of anyone involved in this matter. It is a matter between the people involved and the local law enforcement. If the police contact CCP for assistance, it will be given to them.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Dalmont Delantee
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:31:00 -
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I would like to say that not _ever_ online friendship turns bad when meeting up in real life. I have not only had several online gf's and online friends that I have met up with and spent time with in real life (in fact I now live with someone I met online), but there are some precautions that you should take.
1) Get their full address and home phone number.
2) Also get a 'real' email. Not a hotmail, gmail or yahoo.
3) Make sure you get a picture. People can be traced from them
4) If your female make sure you either have someone with you, or people know where you are.
5) Always meet in a public place. Unless you have all the above info don't walk back to their car..if you do make sure you remember any number plates.
Oh, and I shared a bedroom with a French guy at the Eve-Radio do...and I felt safe! :P
Dalmont/Kev
Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons |
Dalmont Delantee
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:31:00 -
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I would like to say that not _ever_ online friendship turns bad when meeting up in real life. I have not only had several online gf's and online friends that I have met up with and spent time with in real life (in fact I now live with someone I met online), but there are some precautions that you should take.
1) Get their full address and home phone number.
2) Also get a 'real' email. Not a hotmail, gmail or yahoo.
3) Make sure you get a picture. People can be traced from them
4) If your female make sure you either have someone with you, or people know where you are.
5) Always meet in a public place. Unless you have all the above info don't walk back to their car..if you do make sure you remember any number plates.
Oh, and I shared a bedroom with a French guy at the Eve-Radio do...and I felt safe! :P
Dalmont/Kev
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SweetSurferGurl
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:53:00 -
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My main character is too well known and I dont want people to know this.
Internet and its games are great but its too easy to mask if something is wrong with you. So eventhough you feel like you know someone really well ( say 3 years) meeting them in person is an entirely different thing.
In my experience you dont assume the worst if you go meet someone because you allready feel that they are ok people, otherwise why meet them?
Things do wrong and go horribly wrong and sadly you cant make good decisions after it went wrong.
My advice would be : dont shower and go to the police immediatly
If people have time to pack up and leave ( say go to their own country again) there is not much that can be done about it.
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SweetSurferGurl
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:53:00 -
[42]
My main character is too well known and I dont want people to know this.
Internet and its games are great but its too easy to mask if something is wrong with you. So eventhough you feel like you know someone really well ( say 3 years) meeting them in person is an entirely different thing.
In my experience you dont assume the worst if you go meet someone because you allready feel that they are ok people, otherwise why meet them?
Things do wrong and go horribly wrong and sadly you cant make good decisions after it went wrong.
My advice would be : dont shower and go to the police immediatly
If people have time to pack up and leave ( say go to their own country again) there is not much that can be done about it.
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Galk
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:59:00 -
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I tend to agree reading through it.
Truth or otherwise i couldn't tell. 
I just had to reply to this, while im sure there's a few horror stories to tell, i very much belive there's many more good tales out there.
Had a few experiences over the years where iv'e met up with the guys iv'e played online games with, not to mention the time we all ganked on a pub in nottingham.
Remember the first time i did it, playing quake on a thursday night, said hey lee, what you doing tomorrow/weekend.. said not much, said ok then, ill bring my sleeping bag, ok if i kip at your house this weekend, sure why not he said.... Spent a great weekend down in wales with about 10 guys id never met in my life, friday night all got loaded in town, saturday lan, sunday went down the road for dinner... it happend a few more times that summer too...
All experiences ain't that bad like i say, granted that was in a earlier age of the net, but it ain't much different now in a gaming enviroment. Sure chatrooms ect.. you don't know what your getting.... but ill say in general, 95% of eve'ers here if not more have a common intrest atleast.... The game... eve online.
When it was quake.. guys i used to meet up with, the game was a 5 min conversation... then they were just friends and good people to know and have a laugh with.
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Posted - 2004.09.28 20:59:00 -
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I tend to agree reading through it.
Truth or otherwise i couldn't tell.
I just had to reply to this, while im sure there's a few horror stories to tell, i very much belive there's many more good tales out there.
Had a few experiences over the years where iv'e met up with the guys iv'e played online games with, not to mention the time we all ganked on a pub in nottingham.
Remember the first time i did it, playing quake on a thursday night, said hey lee, what you doing tomorrow/weekend.. said not much, said ok then, ill bring my sleeping bag, ok if i kip at your house this weekend, sure why not he said.... Spent a great weekend down in wales with about 10 guys id never met in my life, friday night all got loaded in town, saturday lan, sunday went down the road for dinner... it happend a few more times that summer too...
All experiences ain't that bad like i say, granted that was in a earlier age of the net, but it ain't much different now in a gaming enviroment. Sure chatrooms ect.. you don't know what your getting.... but ill say in general, 95% of eve'ers here if not more have a common intrest atleast.... The game... eve online.
When it was quake.. guys i used to meet up with, the game was a 5 min conversation... then they were just friends and good people to know and have a laugh with.
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SweetSurferGurl
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Posted - 2004.09.28 21:02:00 -
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I too wanted to post about it, but the forums were entirely different then here and I would have been blamed for everything.
Either way, have you conciderd this all might be true and just how hurtful your comments can be? Really, if you can only doubt it why post here and risk that you can seriously hurt someone even more by being critical.
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SweetSurferGurl
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Posted - 2004.09.28 21:02:00 -
[46]
I too wanted to post about it, but the forums were entirely different then here and I would have been blamed for everything.
Either way, have you conciderd this all might be true and just how hurtful your comments can be? Really, if you can only doubt it why post here and risk that you can seriously hurt someone even more by being critical.
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.09.28 21:16:00 -
[47]
Cleaning this thread yet again. Whether this event occured or not is not open for debate and threads of this nature will be deleted. Positive, constructive tips on how to handle an out of game meeting, or other relevant items can remain. All other posts will be removed.
kieron
Community Manager,
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.09.28 21:16:00 -
[48]
Cleaning this thread yet again. Whether this event occured or not is not open for debate and threads of this nature will be deleted. Positive, constructive tips on how to handle an out of game meeting, or other relevant items can remain. All other posts will be removed.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Therax
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Posted - 2004.09.28 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Therax on 28/09/2004 21:55:43
You bought and brought a weapon for the sake of a laugh?
Otherwise sorry to hear about what happened, its shocking sometimes what people will do, even people you think you know fairly well. All you can do is be on your guard and try not to be a hypocrit...
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Therax
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Posted - 2004.09.28 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Therax on 28/09/2004 21:55:43
You bought and brought a weapon for the sake of a laugh?
Otherwise sorry to hear about what happened, its shocking sometimes what people will do, even people you think you know fairly well. All you can do is be on your guard and try not to be a hypocrit...
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Zeiro
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Posted - 2004.09.28 21:48:00 -
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sorry to hear that twisted but thanx for sharing that with us. be safe guys
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Zeiro
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Posted - 2004.09.28 21:48:00 -
[52]
sorry to hear that twisted but thanx for sharing that with us. be safe guys
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Gotchy
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Posted - 2004.09.28 22:30:00 -
[53]
Hey there!
I think the most of you will know me, so i thought i¦ll add a comment too..
Well meeting a players is always nice .... but there are some things/points that need to be watched like kieron and some others said here.
* Always do meet in a public location
* Bring friends(corp mates, non eve-player but be at least a party of 2 or more guys
* meet them @ a fanfest or player gathering (try to organice a player gathering in your country like i did here in austria)
*and buy your drinks , dont let others buy your drinks
my best wishes to you Twisted
kinda regards
Gotchy
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Gotchy
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Posted - 2004.09.28 22:30:00 -
[54]
Hey there!
I think the most of you will know me, so i thought i¦ll add a comment too..
Well meeting a players is always nice .... but there are some things/points that need to be watched like kieron and some others said here.
* Always do meet in a public location
* Bring friends(corp mates, non eve-player but be at least a party of 2 or more guys
* meet them @ a fanfest or player gathering (try to organice a player gathering in your country like i did here in austria)
*and buy your drinks , dont let others buy your drinks
my best wishes to you Twisted
kinda regards
Gotchy
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.09.28 22:57:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Gotchy
*and buy your drinks , dont let others buy your drinks
No, no - always collect your own drinks - others buying them is OK!
Apart from that, very good advice.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.09.28 22:57:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Gotchy
*and buy your drinks , dont let others buy your drinks
No, no - always collect your own drinks - others buying them is OK!
Apart from that, very good advice.
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Posted - 2004.09.28 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Athule Snanm
Originally by: Gotchy
*and buy your drinks , dont let others buy your drinks
No, no - always collect your own drinks - others buying them is OK!
Apart from that, very good advice.
yes you are right
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Gotchy
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Posted - 2004.09.28 22:58:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Athule Snanm
Originally by: Gotchy
*and buy your drinks , dont let others buy your drinks
No, no - always collect your own drinks - others buying them is OK!
Apart from that, very good advice.
yes you are right
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Jun Sheer
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Posted - 2004.09.28 23:21:00 -
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Chris, very sorry to hear what occured.
This is a shockingly common event.
According to US Government statistics, 1 in 5 "children" on the internet have been approached by pedophiles.
That's a lot of bad people out there.
What occured with you is actually not uncommon at all.
A web site I help out is http://perverted-justice.com/ which was recently on a US TV news show.
Right now they are tracking eight "web abductions", children under the age of 18 that went to meet someone they met online and were never seen again. Thousands of these occur a year in the US alone.
According to National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children (NISMART-2)research, which studied the year 1999 in the USA, an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children were abducted by nonfamily members; 115 children were the victims of the most serious, long-term nonfamily abductions called "stereotypical kidnappings"; and 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
The problem doesn't involve just children but young adults too, as you found out. It's pretty scary. Many of the people are never found. The sexual victimization of children is overwhelming in magnitude yet largely unrecognized and underreported. Statistics show that 1 in 5 girls and 1 in 10 boys are sexually exploited before they reach adulthood, yet less than 35% of those child sexual assaults are reported to authorities.
So you did the right thing by calling the police although that must have been hard. And posting here is a service to the EVE community and a brave thing to do. |
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Posted - 2004.09.28 23:21:00 -
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Chris, very sorry to hear what occured.
This is a shockingly common event.
According to US Government statistics, 1 in 5 "children" on the internet have been approached by pedophiles.
That's a lot of bad people out there.
What occured with you is actually not uncommon at all.
A web site I help out is http://perverted-justice.com/ which was recently on a US TV news show.
Right now they are tracking eight "web abductions", children under the age of 18 that went to meet someone they met online and were never seen again. Thousands of these occur a year in the US alone.
According to National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children (NISMART-2)research, which studied the year 1999 in the USA, an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children were abducted by nonfamily members; 115 children were the victims of the most serious, long-term nonfamily abductions called "stereotypical kidnappings"; and 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
The problem doesn't involve just children but young adults too, as you found out. It's pretty scary. Many of the people are never found. The sexual victimization of children is overwhelming in magnitude yet largely unrecognized and underreported. Statistics show that 1 in 5 girls and 1 in 10 boys are sexually exploited before they reach adulthood, yet less than 35% of those child sexual assaults are reported to authorities.
So you did the right thing by calling the police although that must have been hard. And posting here is a service to the EVE community and a brave thing to do. |
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:06:00 -
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oh boy - who let Mr. Blackwell loose agen ....
but on more serios note - WTF 
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:06:00 -
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oh boy - who let Mr. Blackwell loose agen ....
but on more serios note - WTF
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:33:00 -
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pfffff
when I was in New Zealand playin rugby for 5 months
i met up with two guys i knew from eve
one came to chill with me and he didnt bring no weapons, just a case of beer 
and then i went to hang with a m8 in Auckland and his sis cooked me dinner which was 1337 cause i was livin off of Mc****s and take out chineese for the past 3 weeks
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.09.29 06:33:00 -
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pfffff
when I was in New Zealand playin rugby for 5 months
i met up with two guys i knew from eve
one came to chill with me and he didnt bring no weapons, just a case of beer
and then i went to hang with a m8 in Auckland and his sis cooked me dinner which was 1337 cause i was livin off of Mc****s and take out chineese for the past 3 weeks
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:34:00 -
[65]
Should sticky this temporarily so that most people can read the post. Most interesting.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.09.29 07:34:00 -
[66]
Should sticky this temporarily so that most people can read the post. Most interesting.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Athule Snanm
Originally by: Gotchy
*and buy your drinks , dont let others buy your drinks
No, no - always collect your own drinks - others buying them is OK!
Apart from that, very good advice.
Buying, collecting is fine. But mainly just don't leave them alone when you go to the toilet or something. Down it first :)
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:26:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Athule Snanm
Originally by: Gotchy
*and buy your drinks , dont let others buy your drinks
No, no - always collect your own drinks - others buying them is OK!
Apart from that, very good advice.
Buying, collecting is fine. But mainly just don't leave them alone when you go to the toilet or something. Down it first :)
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Dufas
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:27:00 -
[69]
good rule of thumb...expect the best but prepare for the worse...use it for all aspects of life and you'll be ok the majority of the time.
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Dufas
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Posted - 2004.09.29 08:27:00 -
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good rule of thumb...expect the best but prepare for the worse...use it for all aspects of life and you'll be ok the majority of the time.
i r veld
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OrbitalEffect
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Posted - 2004.09.29 14:07:00 -
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Glad to hear you made it out of there in one piece Chris. And I'm happy to see CCP is leaving this thread up (and clean) so everyone can take note.
Be safe! 
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OrbitalEffect
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Posted - 2004.09.29 14:07:00 -
[72]
Glad to hear you made it out of there in one piece Chris. And I'm happy to see CCP is leaving this thread up (and clean) so everyone can take note.
Be safe!
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Aelius
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Posted - 2004.09.29 14:14:00 -
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I already went to dinner with Iznogoud and Calamity Jane and my RL friend Snake Galydus. Jane and Iz i spoked to them first in TS, so i only knew he was a boy and she was a girl (at least the voices matched). They stated they were brothers. We are all Portuguese, so we decided to make a dinner the 4 of us. I was with my RL friend and from their part they were brothers. So we felt very confortable in making the arrangements.
It turned to be true and we had a very nice evening talking about Eve in the restaurant. The only down point was that other people looked at us with those "what the hell are these guys talking about?" faces.
Aelius -"Remember that time when i invented the smartbomb setup to intant gank people in PF, leaving warp?"
Iz -"Yeah, that was cool, you even killed some corp members"
Other people toughts ""WTF, are these guys talking about? They must be from Mars or something""
Although it went very well remember one thing CAUTION IS NEVER ENOUGH WHEN MEETING ONLINE PEOPLE
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Aelius
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Posted - 2004.09.29 14:14:00 -
[74]
I already went to dinner with Iznogoud and Calamity Jane and my RL friend Snake Galydus. Jane and Iz i spoked to them first in TS, so i only knew he was a boy and she was a girl (at least the voices matched). They stated they were brothers. We are all Portuguese, so we decided to make a dinner the 4 of us. I was with my RL friend and from their part they were brothers. So we felt very confortable in making the arrangements.
It turned to be true and we had a very nice evening talking about Eve in the restaurant. The only down point was that other people looked at us with those "what the hell are these guys talking about?" faces.
Aelius -"Remember that time when i invented the smartbomb setup to intant gank people in PF, leaving warp?"
Iz -"Yeah, that was cool, you even killed some corp members"
Other people toughts ""WTF, are these guys talking about? They must be from Mars or something""
Although it went very well remember one thing CAUTION IS NEVER ENOUGH WHEN MEETING ONLINE PEOPLE
Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station |
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Posted - 2004.09.29 15:07:00 -
[75]
Sorry to hear what happend to you Chris, glad your ok.
Im probably lucky in the fact i have now met numerous eve players and not had a bad experience yet. These have all generaly been group encounters though, and not 1 on 1 so to speak.
The latest adventure actualy invoved a trip to Iceland. Our corp is motly Icelandic and British, know quite a few of them for over a year now as well. 5 of us from the UK headed up to Rekyjavik to meet our Icelandic counter-parts earlier this month. The guys not only put us up and looked after us for a week...but our ceo even arranged a tour to CCP headquarters
While meeting online players that share similar intresets can certainly be fun (was in my case) , i can understand some of the obvious dangers. I hope some of the advice in this thread will save people from experiences similar to Chris's
prevention is always better than cure. so Papa Smurf used to say anyway (the REAL one that is)
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Posted - 2004.09.29 15:07:00 -
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Sorry to hear what happend to you Chris, glad your ok.
Im probably lucky in the fact i have now met numerous eve players and not had a bad experience yet. These have all generaly been group encounters though, and not 1 on 1 so to speak.
The latest adventure actualy invoved a trip to Iceland. Our corp is motly Icelandic and British, know quite a few of them for over a year now as well. 5 of us from the UK headed up to Rekyjavik to meet our Icelandic counter-parts earlier this month. The guys not only put us up and looked after us for a week...but our ceo even arranged a tour to CCP headquarters
While meeting online players that share similar intresets can certainly be fun (was in my case) , i can understand some of the obvious dangers. I hope some of the advice in this thread will save people from experiences similar to Chris's
prevention is always better than cure. so Papa Smurf used to say anyway (the REAL one that is)
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2004.09.29 15:29:00 -
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Chris, thats a terrible thing to happen!!
It casts a blight on many of the EVE social events that take place all over the world, i haven't been to the London event, but i only live 30 minutes out of town, and from the pictures i've seen they have been a great bash with many tops people there (regardless of in-game vendettas, etc, etc).
I hope that you contacted the authorities, and they deal with it appropriatley. It is a good warning though, and lets us know that you can't judge a book by it's cover. Luckily i have known the CEO of my IRL for a number of years. Lets hope this a one off incident ...
Tough break man, glad you got out in 1 peice
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2004.09.29 15:29:00 -
[78]
Chris, thats a terrible thing to happen!!
It casts a blight on many of the EVE social events that take place all over the world, i haven't been to the London event, but i only live 30 minutes out of town, and from the pictures i've seen they have been a great bash with many tops people there (regardless of in-game vendettas, etc, etc).
I hope that you contacted the authorities, and they deal with it appropriatley. It is a good warning though, and lets us know that you can't judge a book by it's cover. Luckily i have known the CEO of my IRL for a number of years. Lets hope this a one off incident ...
Tough break man, glad you got out in 1 peice
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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2004.09.29 16:01:00 -
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what a horrid series of events.....
as well as the obvious lession about your drinks getting spiked....you might also consider that the person (victim) was packing a weapon... another situation that chould easly turn very very nasty.
Rancid Mare of the EveMarshals.
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Posted - 2004.09.29 16:01:00 -
[80]
what a horrid series of events.....
as well as the obvious lession about your drinks getting spiked....you might also consider that the person (victim) was packing a weapon... another situation that chould easly turn very very nasty.
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Posted - 2004.09.29 16:18:00 -
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Well, to the original poster I can only say I'm sorry to hear about that and hope you're ok.
I have met eve friends. Last time was in Sweden where we had a bladerunners party, and I drove for like 10 hours to get there in the snow. Had a great weekend (got too drunk, but that's another story... :) with some great bunch of people.
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Mitchman
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Posted - 2004.09.29 16:18:00 -
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Well, to the original poster I can only say I'm sorry to hear about that and hope you're ok.
I have met eve friends. Last time was in Sweden where we had a bladerunners party, and I drove for like 10 hours to get there in the snow. Had a great weekend (got too drunk, but that's another story... :) with some great bunch of people.
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Damaclese
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Posted - 2004.09.29 17:12:00 -
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Back in the day errr wayyy back in the day BBs style we used to have "meets" where multiple online users met was way safer buti knowi was in a few fights when ambitious punks tried to move in on my wife and as for packing weapons notcool buti guess i can ***** i packed a knife since i was 5 does a swiss army knife count as a weapon ???? ayny way best way to set up a meeting in my mind is to set up a group meeting get others who are in your area or post online say hey lets all of "insert city name or town name here " get together at this place this time it does make it wayyy more interesting and safer cause no ones really ontheir own in a group and its safer
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Damaclese
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Posted - 2004.09.29 17:12:00 -
[84]
Back in the day errr wayyy back in the day BBs style we used to have "meets" where multiple online users met was way safer buti knowi was in a few fights when ambitious punks tried to move in on my wife and as for packing weapons notcool buti guess i can ***** i packed a knife since i was 5 does a swiss army knife count as a weapon ???? ayny way best way to set up a meeting in my mind is to set up a group meeting get others who are in your area or post online say hey lets all of "insert city name or town name here " get together at this place this time it does make it wayyy more interesting and safer cause no ones really ontheir own in a group and its safer
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2004.09.29 18:46:00 -
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After more than 4 years of online gaming, this is actually the first time I hear about anything like this happening.
Personally, the first time I have met people I used to play with was on a LAN-party and it was probably one of the better experiences in my life. I still meet some of them regularly and we're actually good friends now, even though we live more than 300km from each other.
Glad you're alright man.
I can only advise everyone:
Do not meet strangers on your own, alone. It's very dangerous and it can get you killed! It doesn't matter whether you know these people you're going to meet from a game, from a forum, a chat or whatever else it might be. Do not trust someone you don't know because as sad as it sounds, they might try to harm you!
I have experienced this quite a few times and it's probably one of the reasons why I play Eve a little too much. I used to trust people I didn't know well enough becuase I believed in the good in every man/woman. Endresult was my father in hospital and myself in shock.
Be careful!
But you also shouldn't be too paranoid, because you will end up being scared for no reason everyday and you will miss the good things in life and become depressive. As said, be careful, but don't be paranoid because that might actually be more dangerous than not being careful. Trust me... I know...
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2004.09.29 18:46:00 -
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After more than 4 years of online gaming, this is actually the first time I hear about anything like this happening.
Personally, the first time I have met people I used to play with was on a LAN-party and it was probably one of the better experiences in my life. I still meet some of them regularly and we're actually good friends now, even though we live more than 300km from each other.
Glad you're alright man.
I can only advise everyone:
Do not meet strangers on your own, alone. It's very dangerous and it can get you killed! It doesn't matter whether you know these people you're going to meet from a game, from a forum, a chat or whatever else it might be. Do not trust someone you don't know because as sad as it sounds, they might try to harm you!
I have experienced this quite a few times and it's probably one of the reasons why I play Eve a little too much. I used to trust people I didn't know well enough becuase I believed in the good in every man/woman. Endresult was my father in hospital and myself in shock.
Be careful!
But you also shouldn't be too paranoid, because you will end up being scared for no reason everyday and you will miss the good things in life and become depressive. As said, be careful, but don't be paranoid because that might actually be more dangerous than not being careful. Trust me... I know...
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Posted - 2004.09.29 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 29/09/2004 20:54:32
Hm, thats sick and twisted... But like i always say: There is a guy on the other end of the cable who might not be from what you expect him to be.
Like i am a sexy stud with alot charisma and guy that every mother loves to have as her son in law and any girl from the age of 18 - 29 can send me their noughty pictures by email. 8)
Also it also can go well, i once met a girl with the name snowwhite... We met at a good lighted place in a busy pub, where i could scream for help like a sissyboy when it was a 50 year old fat dude, and she seemed to be a nice goodlooking girl that i still talk to on occasion and dated a while. Just be cautious.
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Posted - 2004.09.29 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 29/09/2004 20:54:32
Hm, thats sick and twisted... But like i always say: There is a guy on the other end of the cable who might not be from what you expect him to be.
Like i am a sexy stud with alot charisma and guy that every mother loves to have as her son in law and any girl from the age of 18 - 29 can send me their noughty pictures by email. 8)
Also it also can go well, i once met a girl with the name snowwhite... We met at a good lighted place in a busy pub, where i could scream for help like a sissyboy when it was a 50 year old fat dude, and she seemed to be a nice goodlooking girl that i still talk to on occasion and dated a while. Just be cautious.
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Posted - 2004.09.29 21:01:00 -
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Grim tale yes, but why blame the internet. Its not like people you meet at a bookclub, or in a bar are somehow more trustworthy because you didnt meet them on the internet first.
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.09.29 21:01:00 -
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Grim tale yes, but why blame the internet. Its not like people you meet at a bookclub, or in a bar are somehow more trustworthy because you didnt meet them on the internet first.
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Sqalevon
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Posted - 2004.09.29 21:43:00 -
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Shame these things happen :-(
Till now all my encounters with EVE players where satisfying.
I met alot of PIE members ( My sworn enemies ) but they let me stay at their place and stuff like that...
I also have been drinking with people from Xanadu, EVOL and Zombie, wich thanks to my time in CA was quite funny too see ( imho )
I even drove bl3ach from Brussel to Vienna and back.
Let's hope, your future encounters will be nicer ( I suggest you join us in London at the 9th, alot of cool people will go there and have a laugh ) Linky
Greetings, Sqa.
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Sqalevon
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Posted - 2004.09.29 21:43:00 -
[92]
Shame these things happen :-(
Till now all my encounters with EVE players where satisfying.
I met alot of PIE members ( My sworn enemies ) but they let me stay at their place and stuff like that...
I also have been drinking with people from Xanadu, EVOL and Zombie, wich thanks to my time in CA was quite funny too see ( imho )
I even drove bl3ach from Brussel to Vienna and back.
Let's hope, your future encounters will be nicer ( I suggest you join us in London at the 9th, alot of cool people will go there and have a laugh ) Linky
Greetings, Sqa.
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Foyle
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Posted - 2004.09.29 22:09:00 -
[93]
How awful, I am glad you are ok.
It takes courage to share such a horrible experience with us.
Hopefully, it will make people think twice.
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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Foyle
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Posted - 2004.09.29 22:09:00 -
[94]
How awful, I am glad you are ok.
It takes courage to share such a horrible experience with us.
Hopefully, it will make people think twice.
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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John Bishop
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Posted - 2004.09.29 23:15:00 -
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wel man im glad your ok,, i also commend you on keeping your cool afterwords, i would have probably beat the crap out of the two jerks with the chucks and anything else i could get my hands on. hope the two slime balls rot in jail for a long long time
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Posted - 2004.09.29 23:15:00 -
[96]
wel man im glad your ok,, i also commend you on keeping your cool afterwords, i would have probably beat the crap out of the two jerks with the chucks and anything else i could get my hands on. hope the two slime balls rot in jail for a long long time
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sorry for the spelling and gramtic errors,,, im a redneck cowboy what did you expect anyways????
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Gundog Prime
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Posted - 2004.09.30 02:02:00 -
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I'm not gonna debate the possible truth/untruth in the story, simply put though it's a scarily possible scenario. the 'rules' as many have stated for meeting anyone from online apply well. But don't be afraid to meet online people, if i hadn't arranged the Aberdeen pint at the pub meets I'd never have gotten into the fantastic group that is [EY] and i'd never have gotten Hex mk 43 in too...
All in all don't let bad people spoil what could be great friendships but ALWAYS be careful 
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Gundog Prime
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Posted - 2004.09.30 02:02:00 -
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I'm not gonna debate the possible truth/untruth in the story, simply put though it's a scarily possible scenario. the 'rules' as many have stated for meeting anyone from online apply well. But don't be afraid to meet online people, if i hadn't arranged the Aberdeen pint at the pub meets I'd never have gotten into the fantastic group that is [EY] and i'd never have gotten Hex mk 43 in too...
All in all don't let bad people spoil what could be great friendships but ALWAYS be careful
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Makeh
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Posted - 2004.09.30 17:02:00 -
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man thats sick, did u beat the ppl wit the nunchucks
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Masta Killa > I'll insta to agil and get my intie and then come back and pod you |
Makeh
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Posted - 2004.09.30 17:02:00 -
[100]
man thats sick, did u beat the ppl wit the nunchucks
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Loadmaster > its players like you that makes me want to quit EVE
Masta Killa > I'll insta to agil and get my intie and then come back and pod you |
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.09.30 18:32:00 -
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This link came from one of the EVE players, who happens to be a police officer. While the link refers to using an online dating service to meet someone from the internet, later in the article are rules that should be applied to any situation where one person meets another one in the real world.
Cyberangels "Real Life Meeting Safety Guide"
kieron
Community Manager,
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.09.30 18:32:00 -
[102]
This link came from one of the EVE players, who happens to be a police officer. While the link refers to using an online dating service to meet someone from the internet, later in the article are rules that should be applied to any situation where one person meets another one in the real world.
Cyberangels "Real Life Meeting Safety Guide"
kieron
Community Manager,
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Skarsnik
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Posted - 2004.09.30 21:42:00 -
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Twisted - That's really bad that some people in this great game of all things would hapen to try disgusting things like that.
Glad you went to the police and hope they get what they deserve in prison (a taste of thier own medicine I would think). I've personally met up with the rest of the corp I'm in and one guy travelled form Germany for it (Nice one Cavtrooper) all was well. I suggest for others who are gonna meet up, make sure theres more travelling from different areas that dont already know each other in RL.
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Skarsnik
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Posted - 2004.09.30 21:42:00 -
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Twisted - That's really bad that some people in this great game of all things would hapen to try disgusting things like that.
Glad you went to the police and hope they get what they deserve in prison (a taste of thier own medicine I would think). I've personally met up with the rest of the corp I'm in and one guy travelled form Germany for it (Nice one Cavtrooper) all was well. I suggest for others who are gonna meet up, make sure theres more travelling from different areas that dont already know each other in RL.
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Laendra
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Posted - 2004.09.30 21:58:00 -
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I actually was in Dallas, TX for business and met up with a friend of mine that I had met through the game and have known for a relatively long time. I didn't even stop to think of what "might" have happened had the guy been a lunatic like this...luckily for me, he is a stand-up kind of guy and we actually hit it off like we were brothers or had been friends all our life. Sucks that you had just the opposite experience and not one like mine.
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Laendra
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Posted - 2004.09.30 21:58:00 -
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I actually was in Dallas, TX for business and met up with a friend of mine that I had met through the game and have known for a relatively long time. I didn't even stop to think of what "might" have happened had the guy been a lunatic like this...luckily for me, he is a stand-up kind of guy and we actually hit it off like we were brothers or had been friends all our life. Sucks that you had just the opposite experience and not one like mine.
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JudsiaDax
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Posted - 2004.10.01 16:38:00 -
[107]
Just out of interest. Has the offenders name been supplied to CCP? What is to happen to this player as regard to contining as a EVE Online subscriber. Are we to believe there is someone still playing this game that could try something like this again?
Glad your ok mate.
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JudsiaDax
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Posted - 2004.10.01 16:38:00 -
[108]
Just out of interest. Has the offenders name been supplied to CCP? What is to happen to this player as regard to contining as a EVE Online subscriber. Are we to believe there is someone still playing this game that could try something like this again?
Glad your ok mate.
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.10.01 16:50:00 -
[109]
CCP is being kept in the loop and will take whatever steps are necessary, Judsia. However, any actions taken against any players, player names, or any other information will not be released by CCP.
kieron
Community Manager,
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.10.01 16:50:00 -
[110]
CCP is being kept in the loop and will take whatever steps are necessary, Judsia. However, any actions taken against any players, player names, or any other information will not be released by CCP.
kieron
Community Manager,
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JudsiaDax
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Posted - 2004.10.01 17:11:00 -
[111]
Originally by: kieron
CCP is being kept in the loop and will take whatever steps are necessary, Judsia. However, any actions taken against any players, player names, or any other information will not be released by CCP.
Im sure everyone will find that reassuring. Thanks.
Sorry again to hear your story mate.
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JudsiaDax
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Posted - 2004.10.01 17:11:00 -
[112]
Originally by: kieron
CCP is being kept in the loop and will take whatever steps are necessary, Judsia. However, any actions taken against any players, player names, or any other information will not be released by CCP.
Im sure everyone will find that reassuring. Thanks.
Sorry again to hear your story mate.
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Demangel
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Posted - 2004.10.01 19:10:00 -
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Real? Not Real? Doesn't matter... The Point of the warning is whats all important here.
I used to be a martial arts teacher (no pay, just free lessons really), and now I'm a security guard... (see a pattern maybe?) So this kind of thing has actually been discussed many times, often with me doing the explaining...
Heres some tips I commonly gave out at my Dojo to kids, but really they DO apply to adults as well, since we had a lot of kids, and it was right around when the net boom first really started going crazy just before the .com bubble went pop.
1: Don't be overconfidant about the situation. Nunchucks, a full suit of armor and a .357 magnum don't make you safe. If your drugged or otherwise incapacitated, those very security measures could become liabilities! Imagine being gunned down by your own gun! Granted being a martial arts student/teacher means your form of protection can't be used against you, drugs will still knock you out, as the story above shows. I put this first because this, in various forms, leads to taking fewer precautions.
2: Tell a friend or loved one your plans, and if possible invite them along to be your backup. In the story above it sounded like the attacker had a buddy along, you should have too! At the very least if you tell others your plans, there is a better chance somebody will notice if your not home/etc and be able to send out a rescue party.
3: Tie in to #2: If you want to be extra safe, schedule regular check in times with someone you can trust who will be responsible about this.
4: As already stated, ALWAYS schedule your meetings for highly public high traffic areas, this won't make you perfectly safe, as some people will just wait till they gain your trust, but it does lower your risks dramatically.
5: There is no such thing as a coward, at least not in situations like this, being a live coward, is better than being a dead hero... Your not fighting for a cause, your trying to stay alive/uninjurred. Escape/evasion is your primary concern if something should go down. Don't go back and try to exact revenge. The orriginal poster did the best thing that could be done, they called the authorities right away. If they had gone back with thier 'chucks, the other guys might have had worse, and to be honest, most people who don't know how to use em right, end up hurting themselves heheh. It's one thing to swing em, another when it impacts flesh, it can sometimes rebound and give you a black eye!
6: Be aware that sometimes you don't need to be attacked to be a victim! Sometimes people will, for whatever crazy reason, meet you, spend a pleasant time with you, go home, and call the police on you, claiming you did something to them! For this reason following the above measures (public place, take a friend along etc), will cover your butt in case the acusations fly... If your going to meet someone of the oposite sex, this goes double! Casual sex in this situation is IMHO a bigger risk than just picking up a stranger in a bar! As in the bar scenario, if a false accusation is made, it is less likely to be premeditated, and thus be more likely to have provable flaws! But in a net "hookup" there is a greater risk your partner may be plotting against you, and has the time to set you up really good to take a fall.
7: Don't listen to wise *****s about being paranoid. Am I paranoid because I wear a rubber when I do the deed? Am I paranoid when a lock my door at night? Am I paranoid when I take precautions in a dangerous neighborhood? NO! Nor is it being paranoid when you take precautions like the ones above.
There are probably a plethora of other less practical or situation specific tips that can be given, but the tips above as minimum will dramatically raise your chances of being able to meet people in safety, and thus be able to enjoy your new friend better in the long run.
Take it from me, I have had a few internet relationships (girlfriends), who I would meet online, and go to visit (one even required a plane trip!), over the course of those situations, I have only had one meeting go bad... Nothing of the magnitude of the orriginal posters ordeal, but the meeting was fairly unpleasant... lucky for me, I had an out... I limited myself to only two hours for the first meeting, making sure I had plans that would be hard to go back on (flight home). Which leads to the final tip:
8: Just like in driving, leave yourself an out, an opening, a way of escape. When you set the date, make sure you have a good excuse to take off the moment you get uncomfortable. It will make the act of escaping a worsening situation that much easier, you won't feel like such a heel/coward because in your mind you'll be rationalizing it as something you would have to do anyway. Make sense? And it will be harder for the potential assaulter/whatever to argue you into staying longer. Remember, you can always meet again if you want!
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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Demangel
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Posted - 2004.10.01 19:10:00 -
[114]
Real? Not Real? Doesn't matter... The Point of the warning is whats all important here.
I used to be a martial arts teacher (no pay, just free lessons really), and now I'm a security guard... (see a pattern maybe?) So this kind of thing has actually been discussed many times, often with me doing the explaining...
Heres some tips I commonly gave out at my Dojo to kids, but really they DO apply to adults as well, since we had a lot of kids, and it was right around when the net boom first really started going crazy just before the .com bubble went pop.
1: Don't be overconfidant about the situation. Nunchucks, a full suit of armor and a .357 magnum don't make you safe. If your drugged or otherwise incapacitated, those very security measures could become liabilities! Imagine being gunned down by your own gun! Granted being a martial arts student/teacher means your form of protection can't be used against you, drugs will still knock you out, as the story above shows. I put this first because this, in various forms, leads to taking fewer precautions.
2: Tell a friend or loved one your plans, and if possible invite them along to be your backup. In the story above it sounded like the attacker had a buddy along, you should have too! At the very least if you tell others your plans, there is a better chance somebody will notice if your not home/etc and be able to send out a rescue party.
3: Tie in to #2: If you want to be extra safe, schedule regular check in times with someone you can trust who will be responsible about this.
4: As already stated, ALWAYS schedule your meetings for highly public high traffic areas, this won't make you perfectly safe, as some people will just wait till they gain your trust, but it does lower your risks dramatically.
5: There is no such thing as a coward, at least not in situations like this, being a live coward, is better than being a dead hero... Your not fighting for a cause, your trying to stay alive/uninjurred. Escape/evasion is your primary concern if something should go down. Don't go back and try to exact revenge. The orriginal poster did the best thing that could be done, they called the authorities right away. If they had gone back with thier 'chucks, the other guys might have had worse, and to be honest, most people who don't know how to use em right, end up hurting themselves heheh. It's one thing to swing em, another when it impacts flesh, it can sometimes rebound and give you a black eye!
6: Be aware that sometimes you don't need to be attacked to be a victim! Sometimes people will, for whatever crazy reason, meet you, spend a pleasant time with you, go home, and call the police on you, claiming you did something to them! For this reason following the above measures (public place, take a friend along etc), will cover your butt in case the acusations fly... If your going to meet someone of the oposite sex, this goes double! Casual sex in this situation is IMHO a bigger risk than just picking up a stranger in a bar! As in the bar scenario, if a false accusation is made, it is less likely to be premeditated, and thus be more likely to have provable flaws! But in a net "hookup" there is a greater risk your partner may be plotting against you, and has the time to set you up really good to take a fall.
7: Don't listen to wise *****s about being paranoid. Am I paranoid because I wear a rubber when I do the deed? Am I paranoid when a lock my door at night? Am I paranoid when I take precautions in a dangerous neighborhood? NO! Nor is it being paranoid when you take precautions like the ones above.
There are probably a plethora of other less practical or situation specific tips that can be given, but the tips above as minimum will dramatically raise your chances of being able to meet people in safety, and thus be able to enjoy your new friend better in the long run.
Take it from me, I have had a few internet relationships (girlfriends), who I would meet online, and go to visit (one even required a plane trip!), over the course of those situations, I have only had one meeting go bad... Nothing of the magnitude of the orriginal posters ordeal, but the meeting was fairly unpleasant... lucky for me, I had an out... I limited myself to only two hours for the first meeting, making sure I had plans that would be hard to go back on (flight home). Which leads to the final tip:
8: Just like in driving, leave yourself an out, an opening, a way of escape. When you set the date, make sure you have a good excuse to take off the moment you get uncomfortable. It will make the act of escaping a worsening situation that much easier, you won't feel like such a heel/coward because in your mind you'll be rationalizing it as something you would have to do anyway. Make sense? And it will be harder for the potential assaulter/whatever to argue you into staying longer. Remember, you can always meet again if you want!
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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dog pile
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Posted - 2004.10.01 22:55:00 -
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They were most likly Ammar, you just can't trust them.
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dog pile
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Posted - 2004.10.01 22:55:00 -
[116]
They were most likly Ammar, you just can't trust them.
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crice
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Posted - 2004.10.01 23:01:00 -
[117]
Glad your ok. There are many sick people out there. Don't think cause you know them in game your cool with them in RL. Disgusting, I hope justice is served. If you were in the US, those people would be in jail and enjoying a little love you long time from the cell mates.
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crice
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Posted - 2004.10.01 23:01:00 -
[118]
Glad your ok. There are many sick people out there. Don't think cause you know them in game your cool with them in RL. Disgusting, I hope justice is served. If you were in the US, those people would be in jail and enjoying a little love you long time from the cell mates.
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NumBerGuy
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Posted - 2004.10.02 08:03:00 -
[119]
Glad you are feeling better Twisted, also glad you posted this.
I hope the person/persons responsible will be dealt with and also that people take heed that nearly everyone you meet online arent really what they seem.
Take care
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NumBerGuy
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Posted - 2004.10.02 08:03:00 -
[120]
Glad you are feeling better Twisted, also glad you posted this.
I hope the person/persons responsible will be dealt with and also that people take heed that nearly everyone you meet online arent really what they seem.
Take care
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Reloaded INC
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Posted - 2004.10.02 10:09:00 -
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im sorry to hear this happend to you chris, man the internet is full of freaks and weirdos.
I am the bad guy the kriptonite the green cronic.
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Reloaded INC
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Posted - 2004.10.02 10:09:00 -
[122]
im sorry to hear this happend to you chris, man the internet is full of freaks and weirdos.
I am the bad guy the kriptonite the green cronic.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.10.03 07:29:00 -
[123]
Methinks it was a good idea to miss fanfsest now....
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2004.10.03 07:29:00 -
[124]
Methinks it was a good idea to miss fanfsest now....
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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