Yep, that'll stop em.

Need to get pest control in for the trolls.

Tal

Nobody is complaining for the sake of complaining, if that is why you think everyone is complaining it is not a miracle you don't get why they are complaining.
The new UI is brilliant, yes, but poorly worked out and thats why we hate it, not because its 'different'

But I guess you are just fishing for attention here, and not for actual discussion.

Nobody is complaining for the sake of complaining, if that is why you think everyone is complaining it is not a miracle you don't get why they are complaining.
The new UI is brilliant, yes, but poorly worked out and thats why we hate it, not because its 'different'

But I guess you are just fishing for attention here, and not for actual discussion.

Maybe the problem is that none of the complainers can actually point out anything that is wrong with the inventory? It's all just bloblooblooo I unsub bloobloo.

Maybe the problem is that none of the complainers can actually point out anything that is wrong with the inventory?

Filters, the new UI has them.

please note I don't actually own a POS but the filters seem to work pretty well for everything else so why not POS modules

Maybe the problem is that none of the complainers can actually point out anything that is wrong with the inventory? It's all just bloblooblooo I unsub bloobloo.

Maybe the problem is that none of the complainers can actually point out anything that is wrong with the inventory? It's all just bloblooblooo I unsub bloobloo.

GǪyou mean aside from the many many pages that have been written on the subject in both the test feedback and the blog comment threads? Don't play dumb.

Actually, a lot of people have pointed out several of the glaring issues with the new sytem in many different topics, but everyone just seems to ignore those posts and instead troll all the ones that don't explain why they hate the system.
There is a difference between there not being a problem and ignoring it.

So, lets write up some of the common issues with the new UI:

• Previously set up windows don't automaticly open, more shift+clicking is required
• Badly designed layout wastes real estate of inventory screen making it take up more room then before and more clutterd
• Managing Capital ship cargo bays, POS and Corp hangars has become a major hassle and due to bad design takes much extra time to use and is often frustrating to use.
• Extra windows are buggy and seem to not update themselves properly on a consistent basis creating ghost items.
• Loads up all the cargo bays before showing, even those you are not viewing, increasing load times for people with many goods or people trying to check their own ships cargo bay when parked next to a POS or something
• Anything beyond the basics now requires a few extra mouse clicks and button presses to do.
• New inventory seems intento on showing your ships cargo bay when ever the container/wreck you currently view disapears, causing extra clicks to go to other containers/wrecks.

There is more but I couldn't bother writing more of it as I will most likely get someone like Knulla who just ignore any points I make and just call me mad.

I like the new inventory, was annoyed at how Amarr ships became copper, but thats just it, an annoyance, im sure i will be used to the look soon. I can't understand what the fuss is about unless maybe more "hassle" for those who micromanage a bazillion alts at once.

Note: Realising the audience that will likely reply to this topic, I shall not be pouring my blood and tears into a heartfelt rant that will ultimately lead me to WIN eve. So I will keep it nice and simple.

Stop complaining for the sake of complaining.

The new UI is BRILLIANT. Just cause you basement dwellers are too fail to adapt to change and anything remotely different introduced is indicitive of one thing. You suck at EVE.

Learn to play the game or GTFO.

I heard http://www.eveuniversity.org is really good for players wanting to learn how to play the game.

And your stuff .... keep it. Do not want.

Lastly, you need to be reminded of one thing.

http://www.whiteroseconventicle.com/images/stories/eve_learning_curve.png

Thankyou for the time.

That is all.

• Previously set up windows don't automaticly open, more shift+clicking is required
• Badly designed layout wastes real estate of inventory screen making it take up more room then before and more clutterd
• Managing Capital ship cargo bays, POS and Corp hangars has become a major hassle and due to bad design takes much extra time to use and is often frustrating to use.
• Extra windows are buggy and seem to not update themselves properly on a consistent basis creating ghost items.
• Loads up all the cargo bays before showing, even those you are not viewing, increasing load times for people with many goods or people trying to check their own ships cargo bay when parked next to a POS or something
• Anything beyond the basics now requires a few extra mouse clicks and button presses to do.
• New inventory seems intento on showing your ships cargo bay when ever the container/wreck you currently view disapears, causing extra clicks to go to other containers/wrecks.

There is more but I couldn't bother writing more of it as I will most likely get someone like Knulla who just ignore any points I make and just call me mad.

I'm referring to the 10+ threads on GD, which contain only emo teen rage with no substance. Like I said in my first post, this is just like the Great Neocom and Great Font rages.

I don't know.

hey little boy from fail little alliance that cant stand on its own feet without big brother back up

Im a cisco engineer who runs his own company

im married

3 kids soon to b 4

i gross45k a year a MINIMUM

I hate the new UI, u wanna know why?

Because its pure 100% shite

I can guarentee i have a higher IQ than you

stfu n GTFO u stupid little russian pet

Tool

hey little boy from fail little alliance that cant stand on its own feet without big brother back up

Im a cisco engineer who runs his own company

im married

3 kids soon to b 4

i gross45k a year a MINIMUM

I hate the new UI, u wanna know why?

Because its pure 100% shite

I can guarentee i have a higher IQ than you

stfu n GTFO u stupid little russian pet

Tool

Really? If that is the case your writing ability clearly (even with all that intelligence) needs an awful lot of work. With that in mind, I'm going to just shout out what most of us are thinking. "Bullshit"

Think what you like, i am type 4 dislexic, i make no effort to hide what i am, ur stupid little boys hiding in your mums houses

Not even half of you would be as gobby in real life, your pathetic internet warriors

lol, someone from IRC linking Eve uni website telling people to go learn the game....

I am surpised your friends are not helping you gank the thread.

Im a cisco engineer who runs his own company

im married

3 kids soon to b 4

i gross45k a year a MINIMUM

I hate the new UI, u wanna know why?

Because its pure 100% shite

I can guarentee i have a higher IQ than you

stfu n GTFO u stupid little russian pet

Tool

Think what you like, i am type 4 dislexic, i make no effort to hide what i am, ur stupid little boys hiding in your mums houses

Not even half of you would be as gobby in real life, your pathetic internet warriors

GǪexcept that those happened during the suggestion phase and that at least the font didn't remove functionality.

There's also a huge difference between this kind of core UI that is used for pretty much anything you want to do in the game and the functionality lost through the neocom (which, incidentally, covers the one thing that doesn't involve item manipulation, viz. chatting).

I think you'll also note that the 10+ threads of range in GD tend to refer back to the litany of complaints that had been raised during the last month and which was ignored, CQ-style, for the sake of shiny. The reasons for the shouting are well known; the shouting and teeth-gnashing is simply in support of having those known issues fixed. You have to realise that people have long since learned that CCP does not respond well to reasoned complaints. They respond to abuse and only then do they actually look at the complaints that have been raised.

This is a self-destructive streak that CCP has had for many years now, and it doesn't look like it's going away any time soon. As a result, you kind of have to learn to live with the shouting because as soon as you concede that there are issues (and I know you're not dumb enough not to do that), shouting and threatening unsubs have sadly become the only means of getting the message through. Would I prefer it to be otherwise? Definitely, but these are the devs we've chosenGǪ

In fact, if anything, I'd say you've got it the completely wrong way around: it's the whiners who keep saying the system is working who consistently fail to offer any shred of substance to distinguish their nonsense from sheer trolling. All they can say is GÇ£shift-clickGÇ¥, which, as has long been established, doesn't actually solve any of the problems people are having.

That is exactly why I compare these three, font & Neo-Neocom were both purely net improvements, with 0 functionality lost.

That is just blatantly wrong stomping your feet and crying works well when you are 2 years old and you parents stupid, but every single adult being and organisation responds better to positive, constructive feedback.

They, and I, are content with the new inventory. It has very usable features that improve my workflow.

LOL @ Lady Hofstedar for really having no clue that there is a diference between a game and RL.
Go back to your awsome life and STFU

Got abit touchy there didnt u

Didn't like what i typed or did i offend your *honour*

Get a life, this is the 21st century, armys dont defend civilized countrys anymore, we invade the weak and procalim them terroists.

Anytime sumone tells me to STFU cause he's *in the military*.

Go jump off a bridge, perhaps another innocent child in another country will live another week.

Where did i ever say i was in the Military?
I work for a university (fk mailroom) and don't give a rats ars.
LOL about the no more army stuff just proves you have no clue.
And somethign about that bridge statement reminds me of a certain goon that got banned for doing something similar.

And as for the tard who just attempted to dismantle my life with a bunch of silly little posts

How pathetic are you?

Really?

Who works out of there Garage? Did it occur to you i have a business premises? Or were you just to busy trolling.... ?

Actually I think they were demonstrating pretty well that somehow you think your comments on the changes CCP make to their game have credibility because you have strung together a few RL "achievements" together where - to be honest you've set the bar pretty low for yourself.

Now you seem to think abuse is the best form of argument, so I think you could ask yourself the same questions. Including are you trolling.

Was going to respond in here, but I see the thread has gone to rat **** anyways...

IBTL


Tal

Where did i ever say i was in the Military?
I work for a university (fk mailroom) and don't give a rats ars.
LOL about the no more army stuff just proves you have no clue.
And somethign about that bridge statement reminds me of a certain goon that got banned for doing something similar.

troll me

go for it

keep it up

im bored

but i cam going to go outside for a cigarette

ill catch up when i get back :)

GǪexcept that those happened during the suggestion phase and that at least the font didn't remove functionality.

There's also a huge difference between this kind of core UI that is used for pretty much anything you want to do in the game and the functionality lost through the neocom (which, incidentally, covers the one thing that doesn't involve item manipulation, viz. chatting).

I think you'll also note that the 10+ threads of range in GD tend to refer back to the litany of complaints that had been raised during the last month and which was ignored, CQ-style, for the sake of shiny. The reasons for the shouting are well known; the shouting and teeth-gnashing is simply in support of having those known issues fixed. You have to realise that people have long since learned that CCP does not respond well to reasoned complaints. They respond to abuse and only then do they actually look at the complaints that have been raised.

This is a self-destructive streak that CCP has had for many years now, and it doesn't look like it's going away any time soon. As a result, you kind of have to learn to live with the shouting because as soon as you concede that there are issues (and I know you're not dumb enough not to do that), shouting and threatening unsubs have sadly become the only means of getting the message through. Would I prefer it to be otherwise? Definitely, but these are the devs we've chosenGǪ


In fact, if anything, I'd say you've got it the completely wrong way around: it's the whiners who keep saying the system is working who consistently fail to offer any shred of substance to distinguish their nonsense from sheer trolling. All they can say is GÇ£shift-clickGÇ¥, which, as has long been established, doesn't actually solve any of the problems people are having.

Eh no. The necom was a reduction in functionality in terms of how well it handles chat channels and other, similar multiples of windows of the same category.

The current UI is not a case of net improvements: it adds two things, solves a third, but breaks so much else that it lands squarely in the negative in terms of functionality. It may very well be that the functionality lost was something you never used, but trust me: it has lost far more than it has gained.

That is just blatantly wrong stomping your feet and crying works well when you are 2 years old and you parents stupid, but every single adult being and organisation responds better to positive, constructive feedback.

They, and I, are content with the new inventory. It has very usable features that improve my workflow.

QF major T, thank you again for saying what I am unable to.

Maybe the problem is that none of the complainers can actually point out anything that is wrong with the inventory? It's all just bloblooblooo I unsub bloobloo.

Instead of forcing you to keep a gutter for minimized chat windows (or have them overlapping other windows), new Neocom allows you to minimize them properly. Double-click the header bar to minimize them in a form that keeps member count visible.

It's difficult to feel bad for losing features one doesn't need, and bloobloo I unsub, trust me I know bloobloo doesn't really change that.

If you'd start counting, you'd find that there are way more cases when reasoning has lead to changes, and only a few cases when statue-shooting has lead to anything, and even those few cases are debatable.

As I haven't experienced any missing features relevant to my workflows, it adds up to a positive change.

GǪand have them take up much more space in a location where they're kind of in the way while minimised.

The things you've listed are things that everyone else agrees are nice as well (aside from #4, since more clicking and dragging is among the many complaints), but here's the thing: most of them already existed GÇö they're not actual improvements, just the same thing presented in a new way. I'm talking about the issues being presented and why they somehow don't count as being issues and how GÇ£shift clickGÇ¥ GÇö the standard troll response GÇö in any way eases or removes those issues. Dismissing issues because you have a minute set of use cases where they don't appear, and then grandly proclaiming that it's working fine is downright insulting. No reason is given why the complaints are invalid and that things are actually fine.

And again, you're kind of only raising the question GÇ£wth were you doing before if you had those problems?!GÇ¥

hey little boy from fail little alliance that cant stand on its own feet without big brother back up

Im a cisco engineer who runs his own company

im married

3 kids soon to b 4

i gross45k a year a MINIMUM

I hate the new UI, u wanna know why?

Because its pure 100% shite

I can guarentee i have a higher IQ than you

stfu n GTFO u stupid little russian pet

Tool

Got abit touchy there didnt u

Didn't like what i typed or did i offend your *honour*

Get a life, this is the 21st century, armys dont defend civilized countrys anymore, we invade the weak and procalim them terroists.

Anytime sumone tells me to STFU cause he's *in the military*.

Go jump off a bridge, perhaps another innocent child in another country will live another week.

Personally i think the poor devs should get their own forum where they can rant at the players

On second thought, they probably do already

Note: Realising the audience that will likely reply to this topic, I shall not be pouring my blood and tears into a heartfelt rant that will ultimately lead me to WIN eve. So I will keep it nice and simple.

Stop complaining for the sake of complaining.

The new UI is BRILLIANT. Just cause you basement dwellers are too fail to adapt to change and anything remotely different introduced is indicitive of one thing. You suck at EVE.

Learn to play the game or GTFO.

I heard http://www.eveuniversity.org is really good for players wanting to learn how to play the game.

And your stuff .... keep it. Do not want.

Lastly, you need to be reminded of one thing.

http://www.whiteroseconventicle.com/images/stories/eve_learning_curve.png

Thankyou for the time.

That is all.

Stop complaining for the sake of complaining.

The new UI is BRILLIANT. Just cause you basement dwellers are too fail to adapt to change and anything remotely different introduced is indicitive of one thing. You suck at EVE.

When the situation demands it, my Troll hat will get put away and my Diplomatic Discussion hat will get dusted off.

Sadly, this is what the EVE forums have become...

Until someone actually proves they are willing to have a genuine discussion with me regarding the current state of EVE, I reserve that energy for more productive uses.

Confirming that I don't care what hat you are wearing, you sound too smug for any kind of real discussion.

Don't like it? Don't read it.

It is a video game.

Finally someone who gets it.

You just won EVE!

We need to be reminded of this from time to time.

The new inventory is good but still have some major issues.

Being at a POS blows up the list with all the guns making it horrible to navigate, there is no division memory for structures etc.