They weren't in the helmet. Oh right, we don't know that because we don't know who was in the helmet, how many was in the helmet and we don't know who was left in the helmet after the draw.

Maybe FIFA could have done a worse draw procedure but I doubt it.

were is PL indeed?

also, RvB? Is this one alliance now or is an exemption to include both parties?

They weren't in the helmet. Oh right, we don't know that because we don't know who was in the helmet, how many was in the helmet and we don't know who was left in the helmet after the draw.

Maybe FIFA could have done a worse draw procedure but I doubt it.

How many alliances did you had to take part in the random draw in total ?

Pandemic Legion were not successfully drawn from the hat for the random draw but, like many others, they can gain access through the auction letr this week.

Red Federation and Blue Republic share a common CEO so they are unable to field separate teams as per our new rule of no B or C teams. RvB will remain a single entity for this tournament and this fits with their theme of running 'Purple' during war situations.

RvB would like a clarification regarding our status, when Red Federation was drawn you indicated that we would only be represented by a single alliance but we plan on entering both Red and Blue, we asked and got the situation cleared when the rules regarding B teams came out. Here is the relevant post by CCP Loxy : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1233498#post1233498

As of this moment we plan on bidding for a spot with Blue Republic.

RvB would like a clarification regarding our status, when Red Federation was drawn you indicated that we would only be represented by a single alliance but we plan on entering both Red and Blue, we asked and got the situation cleared when the rules regarding B teams came out. Here is the relevant post by CCP Loxy : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1233498#post1233498

As of this moment we plan on bidding for a spot with Blue Republic.

They weren't in the helmet. Oh right, we don't know that because we don't know who was in the helmet, how many was in the helmet and we don't know who was left in the helmet after the draw.

Maybe FIFA could have done a worse draw procedure but I doubt it.

You didn't know who was in the helmet last year and yet I don't remember you complaining. Interesting.

The draw was monitored by the Alliance Tournament team and every team who applied and were eligible were in the hat.

You didn't know who was in the helmet last year and yet I don't remember you complaining. Interesting.

The draw was monitored by the Alliance Tournament team and every team who applied and were eligible were in the hat.

could you confirm goonswarm was actually in the hat and mittens didn't send 20 plex to the wrong alliance again

could you confirm goonswarm was actually in the hat and mittens didn't send 20 plex to the wrong alliance again

the hat

[quote=Karl Planck]RvB will remain a single entity for this tournament and this fits with their theme of running 'Purple' during war situations.

Awh Crap....never knew we were disbanded :(

Thanks for the "news" Soundwave! :-D

edit: wrong dev lol

Confirmed. Plexes sent correctly.

Red Federation and Blue Republic share a common CEO so they are unable to field separate teams as per our new rule of no B or C teams. RvB will remain a single entity for this tournament and this fits with their theme of running 'Purple' during war situations.

From the rules;

3. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012.
4. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games.

In relation to rule 3; Can you please confirm that this applies the same to RvB as it does to everybody else? What I mean is that somebody that switched from Red to Blue or vice versa after this date is not eligible to compete.

And in relation to rule 4; That any one team fielded by RvB during any one match 'under the Purple flag' during the alliance tournament will consist exclusively of either only Blue or Red pilots?

I'm bringing this up because since all other players in other Alliances are subject to these rules and making an exception for RvB would reek quite heavily of favouritism from CCP.

This draw was obviously rigged, unfair, and stacked. I know this because [my favorite alliance] didn't get drawn from the hat while noname nobody alliance [insert alliance] was picked and because [insert alliance I hate] is in cahoots with CCP. Because of this egregious miscarriage of justice I will now [cry/tweet angrily/scam people in Jita/make a Threadnaught].

It was fun watching the video, although you probably should have also posted an extended version where you show that all the names actually got into the hat.

Anyways though, looking forward to the tournament!

We're not going to cater to the ridiculous. All of the names went into the hat and that's how it is and all we have to say on the subject.

We're not going to cater to the ridiculous. All of the names went into the hat and that's how it is and all we have to say on the subject.

Perhaps I phrased my post poorly, but it was intended to be humorous, not to actually make an accusation of bias or rigging the draw. I suggested the extended video showing names going into the hat because it would not have been difficult and would have firmly put to rest any suspicious of interference by CCP in what is a big event for many pilots.

PL, Hydra, 0utbreak, R0nin, Darkside, Paisti, SOLAR, Rote Kapelle, Black Legion, Nulli, Circle of Two, Negative Ten and a bunch of other top teams not being drawn is gonna make for some hardcore auctioning.

Congrats to the lucky teams that don't have to deal with the next few days.

PL, Hydra, 0utbreak, R0nin, Darkside, Paisti, SOLAR, Rote Kapelle, Black Legion, Nulli, Circle of Two, Negative Ten and a bunch of other top teams not being drawn is gonna make for some hardcore auctioning.

Congrats to the lucky teams that don't have to deal with the next few days.

I would love an explanation of the favoritism charge because were that the case we'd have just let them compete as two separate teams.

That quite simply while you may view them as one entity they are not so in game they are two separate alliances, if you allow somebody that switched between them to compete, then why would you not allow somebody that switched from say the Goons to TEST after that date to compete or from Outbreak to Hydra?

Right now it looks like you are trying to facilitate the rules around RvB's command structure in order to make sure they don't break rule number 5. It seems to me that RvB's command structure is the problem of RvB and not of the rules which should be universal and apply to everybody equally in a competitive environment.

Why exactly is it that RvB could not simply either enter Red or Blue and get the pilots they want to fly in the AT into the correct alliance before May 5th. Had they done this then neither rule 3 or 4 would have needed 'bending' and rule 5 wouldn't have been relevant at all. Now it looks suspiciously much like CCP is trying to cater to RvB's specific needs while there should have been no need for that all.

The May 5th rule still applies we're just viewing them both as a single entity? Even if they switched internally the May 5th rule still applies.

77.

Right now it looks like you are trying to facilitate the rules around RvB's command structure in order to make sure they don't break rule number 5.

So if you went from Red to Blue on May 6th you're not eligible to compete?

Also I'd much appreciate an answer to my last paragraph, why this and not just limiting it to either entering red or blue?

Do you have to have participated in the "random draw" to be eligible to bid in the auction?

The random draw took place after the deadline for your alliance to "apply" so yes.

Funny. RvB (who played fairly last year) are allowed to only field one team while Outbreak and Hydra (who went as far EULA violations to win) can field two.

Funny. RvB (who played fairly last year) are allowed to only field one team while Outbreak and Hydra (who went as far EULA violations to win) can field two.

Shouldn't you be busy running level 4s so you can afford the auction m8?

Be nice Duncan. At least he only needs to win the auction for half as many teams as you do. ;)

On the case of RvB.

We acknowledge that we initially allowed an exception for the two sides of RvB to compete in the tournament as two separate teams. On further review of that decision and the b and c team rule we found that to make such an exception and exclude other teams would raise serious questions. While we respect both sides of RvB who have both fought in the tournament before we must see them as one alliance in the eyes of the tournament.

We have been in contact with the executor of both alliances and have reached a decision that will allow both sides to compete together. This decision is now final and is a special case, it will have no impact on any other judgement with the b and c team rule on other alliances.

• Both RvB - Red Federation and RvB - Blue Republic will compete as one alliance during the tournament, they will be referred to as "Red Vs Blue" in all matters related to the tournament.
• Members of both alliances will be eligible for the joint team and should stay in their own alliance.
• Members in either alliance must still have been a part of their alliance from downtime the 5th of May. Switching from one to the other will break this rule and make them ineligible.

its been a wonder to me all these years why they "limit" the entries at all. Sure I know that there are hundreds of alliances that MIGHT want to participate.....why not let anyone willing to pay a LARGE entry fee get in?

Think of the process like the way UEFA does its "champions league" in football/soccer. The actual tournament that you see on EVE TV would only be 32 teams (or 24 or 16) but you can have qualifying tournaments throught the month of May to get to those final 16/24/32

Teams would enter the tournament at various rounds based on whatever factor you want..... alliance size or isk bids or ?
you can put your favorite 4/8/16 teams directly into the final group stage via the "auction".

Everyone would get to play if the had the entry fee....alliances like red vs blue wouldnt have issues, Hydra Pandemic Legion and others wouldnt be mysteriously ommited by the UNSEEN "random" draw.

It would truly be an OPEN tournament that EVERY PAYING SUBSCRIBER can one day hope to be a part of.

It's good to see new names, who will be this year's dark horse?

Wtf, get that smooth talking soft ass out of here. Seeing this after you commin on the the outbreak forums gagging ppl left and right, because of a little harmless trolling just makes me sick and it makes my brain tired.

Now Spartan is gagged as well, why the **** is this? He's totally right every inch of the way, no matter who is left in the poll or not. This poll is complete and utter bs, they might just as well have given out a list instead of this stupid video, why is it not allowed to address the pink elephant in the room?

I know you think that CCP is going Apeshet like a friggin 7 yo with a magnifying glass on ants, because of what you and Garmon did last year. But hey its not about "not giving a damn", as we discussed when I made you cry on ts, its about not being scared.

Not being scared is also why I have to post this, being bullied into submission - and being so by old friends that could simply say please, well it just makes me drop my jaw.

- Im out (Probable guessed that)

I'm not sure if it was intentional but this is an amazing post Saulc.

It's a big drain on our time even reading this drivel ...

re: the drawing dig; You conspiracy theorists are going to have to pick an alliance we're cheating for and be consistent. It's a big drain on our time even reading this drivel and we can't be cheating for alliance A when they win or do something and alliance B when they win or do something when both of them are at odds. I hope this helps you formulate more coherent conspiracies in the future.

re: the drawing dig; You conspiracy theorists are going to have to pick an alliance we're cheating for and be consistent. It's a big drain on our time even reading this drivel and we can't be cheating for alliance A when they win or do something and alliance B when they win or do something when both of them are at odds. I hope this helps you formulate more coherent conspiracies in the future.

Wtf, get that smooth talking soft ass out of here. Seeing this after you commin on the the outbreak forums gagging ppl left and right, because of a little harmless trolling just makes me sick and it makes my brain tired.

Now Spartan is gagged as well, why the **** is this? He's totally right every inch of the way, no matter who is left in the poll or not. This poll is complete and utter bs, they might just as well have given out a list instead of this stupid video, why is it not allowed to address the pink elephant in the room?

I know you think that CCP is going Apeshet like a friggin 7 yo with a magnifying glass on ants, because of what you and Garmon did last year. But hey its not about "not giving a damn", as we discussed when I made you cry on ts, its about not being scared.

Not being scared is also why I have to post this, being bullied into submission - and being so by old friends that could simply say please, well it just makes me drop my jaw.

- Im out (Probable guessed that)