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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:09:00 -
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wolololololol
in 10 years rubes are still gonna come through here and type up some airy-fairy crap about a stock market and efts and clearing houses for a banking system
so funny
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group
DarkCorp Imperium
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:41:00 -
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it all requires some form of contract enforcement, which will never happen because it goes against the very nature of the game
there is no game mechanic that holds you to your word or applies a punishment for breaking it, and there never will be. all that can develop are reputations, and because the returns are so small in business compared to the capital needed the incentive will always be stronger to just walk away instead of building a reputation. this mix of mechanics and incentives means that complex capital markets will never be achieved in eve beyond small groups of RPers that pop up with their own ticking time bomb inherent in their formation (see the "md elite").
the sad thing is there is tons of interesting finance and economic phenomena in eve, much of it unique to eve and produced directly because of these aforementioned game elements, yet many people fail to grasp them and instead remain stuck on attempting to mirror what they see in the real modern world. |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group
DarkCorp Imperium
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Posted - 2012.05.24 22:21:00 -
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Edward Khurelem wrote:I don't see a complex finance setup anywhere in there.
Prove me wrong
lol
why would I?
Where did I ever claim there was a "complex finance setup" ? (whatever that is?)
Perhaps rephrase your question in a non-leading way.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group
DarkCorp Imperium
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:50:00 -
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Durin Sarga wrote:I think we need...
Player-driven innovation is fine. The point is that CCP will not introduce enforcement mechanics that contradict some of the fundamental principles of the game for the benefit of a miniscule RPing sliver of the playerbase.
Basically, almost every thread that starts with "wouldn't it be cool if CCP..." is a dead end because the simple fact is that CCP won't. |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group
DarkCorp Imperium
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:22:00 -
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Durin Sarga wrote:Does that make sense a bit?
Absolutely.
The main point I keep parroting on here is to shape your innovations with the actual mechanics and incentives of Eve in mind instead of trying to mirror what you see in the real world. Much of the discussions of "innovation" on here are just people making cheap cargo cult copies of what they see in the real world. These are easy to knock out in theory because everyone thinks they understand how they work, but then they quickly fall apart in practice when faced with the realities of social interaction in Eve.
If people really want to create an interesting and compelling knowledge community out of the market discussions subforum, then they need to get over the mirroring and start serious discussions about the nature of social interaction in Eve, the progress so far in organizations and collective action, and where we might be able to go from here. |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group
DarkCorp Imperium
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Posted - 2012.05.25 18:36:00 -
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Caleb Ayrania wrote:The missing parts is how simple and basic these things are, and that its only interpersonal features and mechanics that generate all the layers on top.. That is why I tend to always ask for something that sound a lot off topic, but fundamentally these things and features is exactly what will give these ideas a potential reality, and not these cargo cult non flying versions of it.
Actually couldn't agree more.
If you want to take apart the fundamentals of a banking system, for example, and then attempt to adjust them to the realities of Eve, then I think you're absolutely on the right track.
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