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Verrick Fel
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: Verrick Fel on 24/07/2009 22:14:56
Edited by: Verrick Fel on 24/07/2009 22:14:26
My latest petition reads thus:
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I've just about had enough of being warp scrambled on missions. I've lost 2 megathrons in one night, on the same bloody mission because of warp scramblers. Who invented them? they're a dreadful idea in PvE.
Last time I expressed my anger at being scrambled, the response was 'use drones'. Well I've tried using drones. I've tried using rockets and I've tried using blasters. I've even tried using drones, rockets and blasters all at the same time, and still can't destroy them fast enough.
I honestly don't see how mission-running can be profitable when I'm having to replace lost ships so frequently. Even fully insured, I'm likely to be 30M isk or so down every time I have to buy and fit a new megathron.
As far as I can see, there is absolutely no need for warp scramblers outside of PvP, and there is certainly no justification for the enemy scramblers being almost impossible to hit.
I've spent bloody ages getting my standings high enough to access a decent level 4 agent, and now I'm going to have to take a huge hit to those standings again when I fail the mission, because there's no way I'm losing another battleship to this damn farce.
Maybe I'm easily annoyed, maybe I'm a bad loser, who knows? But what I do know is that this is seriously ruining my enjoyment of the game.
If you're going to have NPC warp scramblers, at least make them cruisers so I actually have a chance of shooting them.
Sort it out CCP, for everyone's sake. Don't make me resort to abandoning a clever, deep and intricate game in favour of World of Bloody Warcraft over such a simple issue.
What do I expect CCP to do about it? Honestly, I don't expect they'll do anything. They seem to have gotten pretty comfortable up in their ivory tower where they can safely pretend that this is a perfect game with no design flaws whatsoever.
What do I want them to do? Well, sort it out, obviously. It's not the only problem the game has, granted, but it is the one that annoys me the most, and I'm sure I can't be alone in that. It's also the reason I just took a 0.63 hit to my standings with FIO when I decided that enough was enough, and quit the mission.
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Torn Slightly
Minmatar
The Argonauts
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Torn Slightly on 24/07/2009 22:22:42
1. Fly with a friend to kill the scrams or rep you.
2. Fly drone boats with good drone skills
3. No three, because the other 2 were so great.
I sense a lot other replies incoming, may be less friendly? :)
Missions aren't that difficult.
If you're losing that many ships you're doing something wrong.
Sometimes something goes wrong like your wife entering the room mid-mission with your "friend" still under you desk ... well you get the idea...
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:21:00 -
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Wait. You filed a petition with that? No wonder the queues are so long when they have to sift through all the irrelevant crap people file petitions about.
And about scramblers in missions: L2P
They are the first to die usually. Or just ignored and left for the drones because I know I can tank the aggro I'm getting myself.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 24/07/2009 22:24:00
Err, I've not really had an issue with them. They are invariably projected by frigates, low size ships or batteries and easy to take out. If your being swarmed before you do that your skills, shielding, drone training or several other things may be the issue.
EDIT: I wish NPC ships were more complex, I popped into a sleeper site in my BC ship today and had a great time.
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Esamir
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:24:00 -
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Do you know what petitions are for? What on earth do you expect a GM to do about it?
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CynoGirl One
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:25:00 -
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Um maybe get a better tank? and better drone skills. Kill the drones 1st... mission guides tell you which ones scramble... and lol at the petition... good luck with that.
PS yes I'm using an alt because I'm too lazy to logon with another account
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:26:00 -
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A Megathron has 125 m3 of drone space and 125 Mb/s bandwidth. Drop the heavy/sentry drones, and fit lights and mediums in that space! If you use long range weapons, target the scrambling ships first. If you don't, stick your light drones on them once they get close to you.
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Arrs Grazznic
Pawn Sauce
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:26:00 -
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This is a troll, right?
Arrs
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Verrick Fel
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: Verrick Fel on 24/07/2009 22:29:09
Originally by: Gavin DeVries
A Megathron has 125 m3 of drone space and 125 Mb/s bandwidth. Drop the heavy/sentry drones, and fit lights and mediums in that space! If you use long range weapons, target the scrambling ships first. If you don't, stick your light drones on them once they get close to you.
I was using medium scout drones, and they barely caused a scratch.
As for guns, the first megathron was fitted with railguns with an optimum range of 30km +, the second time I was using blasters with optimum of 3km or so. Neither were any good.
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Aceoil
Black Serpent Technologies
Atropos.
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:28:00 -
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My latest petition reads thus:
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WAHHHHH WAHHHHH WAHHHHH
I cannot fit a ship to save my life.
Infact I cannot fit a ship and I am such a bad player at eve that I will throw megathrons away.
What do I expect CCP to do about it? Honestly, I don't expect they'll do anything.
Damn right they wont do anything cept laugh at you.
They seem to have gotten pretty comfortable up in their ivory tower where they can safely pretend that this is a perfect game with no design flaws whatsoever.
There are bigger problems in this game than idiots who cannot fit a megathron properly
What do I want them to do? Well, sort it out, obviously. It's not the only problem the game has, granted, but it is the one that annoys me the most, and I'm sure I can't be alone in that. It's also the reason I just took a 0.63 hit to my standings with FIO when I decided that enough was enough, and quit the mission.
Here is some age old wisdom:
Adapt or die.
Looks like you keep choosing to die
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Axel Strom
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Aceoil
My latest petition reads thus:
Quote:
WAHHHHH WAHHHHH WAHHHHH
I cannot fit a ship to save my life.
Infact I cannot fit a ship and I am such a bad player at eve that I will throw megathrons away.
What do I expect CCP to do about it? Honestly, I don't expect they'll do anything.
Damn right they wont do anything cept laugh at you.
They seem to have gotten pretty comfortable up in their ivory tower where they can safely pretend that this is a perfect game with no design flaws whatsoever.
There are bigger problems in this game than idiots who cannot fit a megathron properly
What do I want them to do? Well, sort it out, obviously. It's not the only problem the game has, granted, but it is the one that annoys me the most, and I'm sure I can't be alone in that. It's also the reason I just took a 0.63 hit to my standings with FIO when I decided that enough was enough, and quit the mission.
Here is some age old wisdom:
Adapt or die.
Looks like you keep choosing to die
Wow, you're a really friendly and helpful person. Instead of being a ****, why not actually post something constructive?
Maybe you were abused as a child, were you?
More likely you still are a child....
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Verrick Fel
Edited by: Verrick Fel on 24/07/2009 22:29:09
Originally by: Gavin DeVries
A Megathron has 125 m3 of drone space and 125 Mb/s bandwidth. Drop the heavy/sentry drones, and fit lights and mediums in that space! If you use long range weapons, target the scrambling ships first. If you don't, stick your light drones on them once they get close to you.
I was using medium scout drones, and they barely caused a scratch.
As for guns, the first megathron was fitted with railguns with an optimum range of 30km +, the second time I was using blasters with optimum of 3km or so. Neither were any good.
I assume you have the ECM icons turned on to see which ships are targeting you? Assuming thy were frigates their signature radius/speed is too small for medium drones, light drones are better..and with lots of drone skills like Drone Interfacing.
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Cyclops43
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:36:00 -
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Age: 2 months 29 days
There is NO WAY you can be, NOR SHOULD you be, able to run L4's! You've managed to (somehow) get the skills to fly a battleship, but doing L4's require more than that:
- Fitting skills at 4 or 5
- Shield skills at 4
- CAP skills at 4 or 5
- Missile support skills at 4
- Navigation skills
- And most importantly, able to use T2 drones, and have the support skills at 3
Come back when you've got 6 months of training. As it is, you're trying to run a marathon before you can run, walk or even crawl.
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Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:39:00 -
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Confirming that if you contract me all your stuff I'll fix it so you don't have to worry about this problem anymore. 
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Verrick Fel
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zartanic
I assume you have the ECM icons turned on to see which ships are targeting you? Assuming thy were frigates their signature radius/speed is too small for medium drones, light drones are better..and with lots of drone skills like Drone Interfacing.
Yep, I was targeting the scrammers as my #1 priority, but it just wasn't enough. As for drone interfacing and such, I've not really got around to training the more advanced drone skills yet. I've not been playing quite long enough to have trained as many skills as I would have liked.
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Esamir
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:41:00 -
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Ok, so we've ascertained that your skills are nowehere near up to scratch, and you were probably flying a comedy fit. Wanna go close that petition now before you waste any more of the GM's time?
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Arrs Grazznic
Pawn Sauce
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Verrick Fel
I've not really got around to training the more advanced drone skills yet. I've not been playing quite long enough to have trained as many skills as I would have liked.
Which is why you should not be trying to run L4s just yet. You just don't have the skills to be able to do them as evidenced by losing your BS to NPC frigates.
Arrs
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Verrick Fel
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Junko Togawa
Confirming that if you contract me all your stuff I'll fix it so you don't have to worry about this problem anymore.
Awesome...
I'll make the contract this very seco.....
 
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:45:00 -
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Trust the voice of experience here:
1) If you're going to do level 4 missions in a battleship, you NEED the ability to field Tech 2 light drones. Make this a priority!
2) Don't use medium drones against frigates, especially not the elite frigates (these are the ones that usually web/scramble you).
Back when Quantum Rise came out and the speed changes went into effect, they tinkered with the tracking of medium drones. The result is that mediums now do much worse against small targets than before. They can manage against regular frigates, but elite frigates are very hard for medium drones to hit. You want to use lights against them.
Drone Interfacing is one of the best skills in the game. It gives a whopping +20% to drone damage, PER LEVEL! It's definitely worth training. Now, if you want to go just to level 3 then train some other things for a bit that's fine, but you will want to take to 4 eventually and perhaps even 5.
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Verrick Fel
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Verrick Fel on 24/07/2009 22:51:56
Originally by: Esamir
Ok, so we've ascertained that your skills are nowehere near up to scratch, and you were probably flying a comedy fit. Wanna go close that petition now before you waste any more of the GM's time?
Hmmm... Maybe my skills aren't as good as those of someone who's been playing for well over 2 years, but what this thread has also made clear, if it wasn't already, is that while some people on these forums are helpful (Zartanic, Cyclops43, Arrs Grazzanic, Gavin, I thank you all for your input) they are, unfortunately outnumbered by total ****s who seem to take pleasure in other peole's misery.
No wonder certain other MMOs have more players.....
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Verrick Fel
Originally by: Zartanic
I assume you have the ECM icons turned on to see which ships are targeting you? Assuming thy were frigates their signature radius/speed is too small for medium drones, light drones are better..and with lots of drone skills like Drone Interfacing.
Yep, I was targeting the scrammers as my #1 priority, but it just wasn't enough. As for drone interfacing and such, I've not really got around to training the more advanced drone skills yet. I've not been playing quite long enough to have trained as many skills as I would have liked.
I'm in a similar position to you but I'm waiting a while to get my skills higher. From reading about them they are a big jump up from Level 3's so even though I find level 3's easy I'm far from ready yet for level 4's. You not only need good skills you cant skimp on the mods and drones either.
I know it can be maddening to lose a ship but at least you can't really blame the game this time. I do probing and WH's now to as I'm bored of L3 missions.
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MrNuby
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:56:00 -
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Mission running is just too damn hard compared to the profit you make.
eh, hold on a minute...
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 24/07/2009 22:59:03
Originally by: Verrick Fel
they are, unfortunately outnumbered by total ****s who seem to take pleasure in other peole's misery
No. They just enjoy taking the **** out of a player who complains about the game to the point where he wastes GM time on a matter that is in no way a flaw in the game, and 100% a case of the player not understanding what he's doing.
Had you approached this thread in the spirit of "I can't seem to survive L4s, what do I need to do" — you know, actually asking for help — rather than behaving like a complete arse and spouting some nonsense about "I can't do L4s, therefore I declare this game flawed, and demand that it be changed to match my ignorance" you might have would definitely have garnered a completely different response.
As it is, you got the kinds of answers you deserved (including this one).
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Cyclops43
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Posted - 2009.07.24 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Verrick Fel
....they are, unfortunately outnumbered by total ****s who seem to take pleasure in other peole's misery.
Welcome to EVE 
If you haven't got Rhinoceros skin, AND a flame-resistant asbestos suit, better stay off the forums.
I would probably also have been flaming away if you'd been 6 months old, because by then you SHOULD be able to handle L4's. As it was, I decided you probably didn't know better, so some sound advice was in order.
Originally by: Verrick Fel
No wonder certain other MMOs have more players.....
Different MMO, different players. EVE players are pretty much the type of people you find in the Mos Eisley Cantina.
Certain other MMO's tries to hold players hands and protect them from the consequences of their bad decisions. EVE doesn't, which is what we like so much!
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2009.07.24 23:08:00 -
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As others have said use light drones, such as hobgoblin II's, against warp scrambling frigates. And get some of the drone skills to back them up. It doesn't really take all that long to get 5 light scout drone II's.
If you want to post your fitting then there's a good chance that there may be a way that you can improve it. The forums aren't necessarily kind, but if you don't have a thin skin they can be instructive.
Finally, I sort of agree with you. I think that the binary nature of warp scrambling isn't a great mechanic. You're either totally fine or totally screwed. If it added a delay to warp out that increased with more points of warp inhibition and decreased with warp stabilization then I think it'd be a more interesting feature.
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Axel Strom
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Posted - 2009.07.24 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Axel Strom on 24/07/2009 23:11:39
Originally by: Cyclops43
EVE players are pretty much the type of people you find in the Mos Eisley Cantina.
And all of them ready to shoot first, right?
Originally by: Cyclops43
Certain other MMO's tries to hold players hands and protect them from the consequences of their bad decisions. EVE doesn't, which is what we like so much!
The deciding factor for me was pretty much that I can't be arsed with orcs, but if you can, maybe you wanna give another game a go. You'll be back soon enough, trust me.
And yeah, EVE has it's problems. Though TBH this particular issue isn't the greatest of them....
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Victor Maximus
Wormholes Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.07.24 23:15:00 -
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There is a huge jump in difficulty between L3 and L4 missions. More importantly there is a large jump in skills needed to run L4's comfortably. To make L4's worthwhile you really should at least have T2 drones and a T2 tank. These support skills make worlds of difference between just being able to fly a BS and being able to fly one well.
Also, care to post your fit? We may be able to help you out with that as well. For now though go back to L3's until your skills catch up.
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Verrick Fel
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Posted - 2009.07.24 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Verrick Fel on 24/07/2009 23:23:20
Originally by: Victor Maximus
Also, care to post your fit? We may be able to help you out with that as well. For now though go back to L3's until your skills catch up.
-Vic
TBH I can't remember exactly what my fitting was, but all the low slots were T2 resistance plates, except for one slot on which I was using a Large Accomodation Vestment Reconstructor'.
I also had a 100MN AB 1 and 3 cap recharger II's (the cap on a megathron sucks otherwise)
As for the top row, first time round I had 7 350mm railguns of some sort, with uranium ammo, second time I had 7 blasters with antimatter ammo and a rocket launcher with gremlins.
I was also loaded up with 4 vespas, 4 infiltrators and 4 hammerheads.
EDIT: I actually used the vespas first time out, but realised they weren't doing so well, so I used infiltrators second time, and they weren't much better.
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Aldoy Freelancer
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Posted - 2009.07.24 23:25:00 -
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If you know the missions slightly then level 4 missions are not hard.
If you have never survived lvl 4 misiosn, then take a friend who knows the ropes, read the guides, listen to advice.
To put it politely, level 4 missions are easy. 10 days training from character creation is plenty. More skills lets you tank better, kill the npcs better - but you can still do lvl 4's easily with a 10 day old character if you know a little about what your doing.
Light drones take out firgates the best - even T1 light drones vs 30,000 isk bounties frigates will work. Level 4 misions require some tank. You need from about 300 dps tank (1x LAR) or equivilent will handle most level 4's. Load the transversal onto your overview - save you trying to shoot at all those ships you can't hit - large guns hit large targets well. Learn what npc ships are trigers - until you have more dps/tank you dont want pocket agro and want to agro 1 group at a time till you kill it. Large battleships orbiting close can be hard to hit - webbers can slow them down enough to hit even with large guns, flying can also help lower their transversal.
The domi makes a beter mission ship starting. You get +10%/lvl dmaage to your drones, plus can carry 375 mtr of drones. Basically your light drones with low skills should still chew over any warp scrambling npc's. It has enough mids/lows to fit plenty of tank with turret support.
Do the above, find a good agent, and you could be earning 20 mil an hour with a couple of weeks old character (I have an older character). Its what I did and it wasn't difficult.
Filing a petion over pilot error? Thats crazy. If lvl 4's still too hard, drop back and do lvl 3's.
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.24 23:25:00 -
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Forget your mega, take a couple of weeks to train drones & use a Domi for a while. Domi is probably the easiest l4 runner to get minimum skills for given the essential second weapon system you need for every other BS is also it's primary system.
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