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Alberico DeSandre
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Posted - 2009.07.27 05:21:00 -
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Here are 2 ways to kill every interceptor a mission can throw at you
1 - Bring 5 Warrior drones. If you actually compared the stats you'd find they have the best tracking of any drone and thus can hit frigates with no assistance. This requires no skill from you.
2 - Pulse a webifier on the interceptor so that it stays a short distance ahead of your heavy drones. Too close and the heavy drones own orbital velocity will exceed their tracking. Just cut it on for one cycle out of every 10 seconds or so and the interceptor will get killed. This takes some effort but lets you bring heavy drones and the webifier is useful in other areas.
If this is a troll grats, you sure as hell got me to waste my time. If this isn't... good god, learn to play.
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Alberico DeSandre
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Posted - 2009.07.27 05:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Denidil
Originally by: Caerno
The main problem here is new players think they can train up for a battleship and then fly it! Just because you have level 4's open does not mean you can do them!
Skills are there for a reason!
Otherwise please do go back to World of W*****s.
and they don't bother to read the forums as to WHY they can't do this. they instead ***** first and then act all surprised when the experienced players jump on their case for being stupid.
Skills don't mean crap in this case. You don't need drone skills to enable warrior 1s to kill an interceptor, you just need enough brains to load them into your drone bay.
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Alberico DeSandre
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Posted - 2009.07.27 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pyth2
Edited by: Pyth2 on 27/07/2009 00:53:25
Edited by: Pyth2 on 27/07/2009 00:53:05
"I would like an infinite isk machine with absolutely no risk to myself at all"
That's what I saw when I read your post. Seriously, the only risk at all in missions, and it's a bloody small one at that is getting scramed down and having your tank broken. There is really no other way at all to ever be at risk running L4s in a BS.
Why would they remove that?
You sir, are a moron.
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.27 05:50:00 -
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I don't think GMs can help here, they don't have power to un****** ppl v0v
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Chronospin
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.07.27 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Chronospin on 27/07/2009 10:48:30
Edited by: Chronospin on 27/07/2009 10:47:43
Well, Im a bit off topic but:
1: Awesome how many ppl over here are very very angry.
2: Awesome how many ppl are just EFT warriors insted of actions men.
3: Awesome how some ppls over here totaly suck at community relations.
The guy is ****ed because he cant run a level 4 without dying. Ok he dont have the required skills, he did a petition and all... But there is other way to explain things no ? Like :
1: U are not enough skilled to do a level 4 solo > here are my advices.
2: Ur petition is a bit too much.
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All in a diplomatic and respectfull spirit.
I gess many of u, Emo *****s, are not corp leaders.
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Mish'Kala
Minmatar
Infiniti Matar
Sleepless Knights Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:44:00 -
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POPCORN! GET YOUR NICE HOT TASTEY POPCORN HERE........
This Thread delivers. im not sure what it delivers, but it does so with gusto
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Ydyp Ieva
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:58:00 -
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Why does everyone say use light drones on those elite frigs that scramble 
My medium scouts are doing just fine to pop them very quickly (that is if they get under the tracking range of my sentry drones).
Now let see when did I loose a BS on a lvl 4? I think once, that was my first raven. Never bought a second raven anymore. I run now lvl 4 missions just fine in smaller ships.
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Labombecochone
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Posted - 2009.07.27 16:13:00 -
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Yeah man I totally understand what you are saying about these scram frigs. My first mission in a raven and I find myself getting dpsed to **** and my cap was going fast. Warp was only way out and guess what, I'm scrammed! It was totally unexpected but I got the drones out set them on the target, then started to run around the room looking at the screen and jumping every now and again but the drones did the job.
I learned after that that a month earlier I would have been dead. Its all about the tanking skills at the start if they cant kill you you can't die! Get drone skills up too you need those.
I haven't lost my first raven yot 
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Jarvis Hellstrom
Gallente
The Flying Tigers
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Posted - 2009.07.27 17:25:00 -
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Ah yes - I recally when L4s were challenging and scary and could kill ships.
OP - honestly - you don't want there to be no scrammers. What will happen is that when you actually have your skills up to the the point where you're ready to solo L4s is that they will be little challenge and less fun. Scrammers help that.
As others have said, and I'll try and say it more nicely - you're not ready to solo L4s - and least not the really hard ones.
Being able to fly those missions alone means more than being able to climb into a Megathron. It means having the right skills to fly one safely in that environment without help. Right now, you can't. Your character is too young.
The options are, quite simply, get some help on the L4s or retire to L3s for now and come back when you can fit some T2 kit to your ship and be able to tank the room/kill the scrammer quickly enough to escape.
Missions are supposed to be risky and dangerous and, if I'm reading CCP right, they're probably about to get even tougher, not easier.
You aren't ready yet - that's all. It's not an insult. There were times when none of us were.
Patience, young capsuleer.
May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.07.27 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ydyp Ieva
Why does everyone say use light drones on those elite frigs that scramble
My medium scouts are doing just fine to pop them very quickly (that is if they get under the tracking range of my sentry drones).
Now let see when did I loose a BS on a lvl 4? I think once, that was my first raven. Never bought a second raven anymore. I run now lvl 4 missions just fine in smaller ships.
Sounds like the answer is that you're cheating by using an Ishtar — the one true L4 ship… 
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Vorpatrial
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Posted - 2009.07.27 19:03:00 -
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You can start running L4's with a 2 month old character, I know I did, but you have to modify your stratagy. First off you have to have at least sufficent drone skills to feild 5 T1 drones. After that you need two things minimal tank and good long range skills.
I will admit that I was caldari so cruse missiles were a natural fit, but a long range rail or pule set up could work. The reason I say long range is that you won't be able to tank the inc damage with your poor skills. Just stay the heck out of range. For a very new character going into l4's an afterburner on your BS will really help. I know it hurts your sheild tank or cap stability but staying out of range of most fire is a better tank than anything else.
If your drones are still unable to kill frigs then you just arn't gonna be able to do it, but I would also strongly sugest fitting a target painter on almost any early mission ship to help you kill HAC's. When I was running L4's at 2 months I found I could kill BS's and frigs no problem, but the elite version of crusers were just a huge problem, ythey get close and have enough regen that 5 T1 med drones have a real problem with them.
You can do L4's in a damn new character but you have to fly smart.
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lo breeze
LB's Hole Mongers
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Posted - 2009.07.27 19:22:00 -
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This thread is win. I don't ever think the adage "L2Play" has ever been so fitting.
Wow...
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Ariane VoxDei
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Posted - 2009.07.27 20:06:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Verrick Fel
Edited by: Verrick Fel on 24/07/2009 22:14:56
Edited by: Verrick Fel on 24/07/2009 22:14:26
My latest petition reads thus:
Quote:
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1: I've lost 2 megathrons in one night, on the same bloody mission because of warp scramblers.
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2: Last time I expressed my anger at being scrambled, the response was 'use drones'.
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3: I've even tried using drones, rockets and blasters all at the same time, and still can't destroy them fast enough.
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4:Maybe I'm easily annoyed, maybe I'm a bad loser, who knows?
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5: Sort it out CCP, for everyone's sake.
1: you are not prepared and/or suck
2: and quite rightly so
3: bad as you might be, you ought to know that that is a bad combination.
4: Bad loser, plain and simple.
5: No. The problem is you and your trained skills, not the missions. They are going to keep tearing you a new one (as they should) if you are doing it wrong and your drone skills are highly inadequate.
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Shidhe
Minmatar
The Babylon5 Consortuim
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Posted - 2009.07.27 21:25:00 -
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Missions are not meant to be risk free. Stop.
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Zircon Dasher
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Posted - 2009.07.27 22:09:00 -
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My first response was 1/10 troll attempt
But 4 pages later I stand corrected.
10/10
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.07.28 00:02:00 -
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Light drones with decent skills - even T1, solve this problem.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Shoogie
Galactic Research Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.07.28 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Arec Bardwin
Originally by: Verrick Fel
Dear CCP: Warp Scramblers suck the big one. FACT!
I agree with OP 100%!! Remove the warp disruptor effect from the game!
It's not like anyone needs it to prevent npcs from warping away  I can't envision any situation, ever, where a warp disruptor could be useful.
Yeah. I was running a complex in my Onyx the other day. About halfway through, I suddenly realized that I had been using my focused warp disruption out of habit on every single rat I had killed.
I was quite angry.
Maybe I should have petitioned it.
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Peter Powers
FinFleet
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Posted - 2009.07.28 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Verrick Fel
I also had a 100MN AB 1 and 3 cap recharger II's (the cap on a megathron sucks otherwise)
nope, thats your skills,
usually the mega works quite well.
Originally by: Verrick Fel
I was also loaded up with 4 vespas, 4 infiltrators and 4 hammerheads.
you should have 5 sets of your drones, so train so you can use 5,
also use small drones - and best check they have the right damagetype for the mission you are doing.
Originally by: Verrick Fel
EDIT AGAIN: Actually, now I remember, the first megathron had a magnetic field stabilizer (or possibly 2) on the low slot(s)
well... you problem seems to be your tank,
what tanking modules did you use?
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Ydyp Ieva
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.07.28 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Ydyp Ieva
Why does everyone say use light drones on those elite frigs that scramble
My medium scouts are doing just fine to pop them very quickly (that is if they get under the tracking range of my sentry drones).
Now let see when did I loose a BS on a lvl 4? I think once, that was my first raven. Never bought a second raven anymore. I run now lvl 4 missions just fine in smaller ships.
Sounds like the answer is that you're cheating by using an Ishtar ù the one true L4 shipà
Aye use the ishtar in most cases, more fun then just sitting there taking the hits and drive those missiles to their targets like a raven. Only WC I field the nighthawk as a webber is more deadly then a scrambler with the ishtar setup.
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Idril Celebrindar
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Posted - 2009.07.28 12:25:00 -
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1) Use light drones (T2 preffered) with proper dmg type, eg warriors against angels for example
2) Use proper hardeners. Again, Exp/Kin against angels, Th/Kin guristas etc
3) Know your missions - use some of mission databases, eve-survival.org for example.
4) Think twice before petitioning, GM will laugh at you if you complain about stuff like that
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.28 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Seriously Bored on 28/07/2009 13:44:36
Four page thread, so forgive me if someone else said this already.
Warp scrambling frigs are part of PVE life. They are there to make sure that earning isk isn't any easier than it already is. There has to be some risk, right?
That said, since you're in a turret ship, the FIRST thing you should do in any mission is shoot the scram/web frigs first at range. Check www.eve-survival.org before every mission to learn which are the right ones.
When they are dead, either from your guns or your drones, start working on everything else in the room. Your skills are low for L4 missions...that's a fact, but it doesn't mean you can't do them. What it does mean is that you have to be smart, well informed, and have total focus on the missions you're running until you get better.
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Jose Black
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Posted - 2009.07.28 13:48:00 -
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If you are unsure about how the mission works and how level 4 missions work in general, fleet up with someone that got experience. If you already lost a ship to it, especially then ask for help before you risk another one. Ask in local for assistance, post on forums or whatever. Its a multiplayer game for a reason. The saying goes "If you can't handle it alone, bring friends".
Scrambling frigates do two things: they webify and warp scramble, both chance based.
Being webbed can be nasty: if using long range guns you can't keep the distance, they close in fast and deal lots of damage while your guns can't track them anymore to blow them up and stop them dealing damage. Solution could be a drone or missile boat, which both do not care about turret tracking. Together with a solid tank which for example a well fitted dominix provides you won't care much for being webbed. Obviously well skilled drones that blow up webbing frigates fast are a solution too. Last but not least you may succeed in blowing up at least some frigates while they approach using your long range guns.
Being scrambled just means you can't warp out of the mission. Then again the need to warp out means either something went badly wrong doing the mission or your skills and fitting are not up for the mission. You should not ever need to run from a mission. If you regularly do then you're doing it wrong anyway. The danger of being scrambled lies within being webbed at the same time for the already mentioned reasons. For gunboats this usually means the mission went wrong. However if your gunnery skills are very good, you can usually blow all the bigger stuff up while its approaching so not even being webbed in a gunboat is much of a problem. What use is it for the NPC to having you tackled if there's nothing left to blow you up..
tl;dr: There's nothing wrong with either the Megathron or the missions, your characters skill level and/or your tactics are. Team up with someone to make the missions doable and learn the tactics from him. Or else stay away from 4's for the next 8 months.
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente
Ministers Of Destruction
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Posted - 2009.07.28 14:10:00 -
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I read your petition , then read the first few replys.
I skipped aload as I'm presuming that it was alot of "OMG NUB" and "WTF".
Chances are I'll never read this post again but here's my 2 bits.
Firstly, if you went "want megathron, go" got gal bs 2 and large guns 1.
That right there is your problem.
When I first stepped into a megathron it sucked... massively, then I sorted out all my cap skills, resists, armor skills, hull skills, targeting skills, gunnery and drones and now it mostly rocks unless I'm being stupid.
The scramming frigs are mildly annoying but they add a tiny amount of risk to the missions which makes it more fun.
Although, now, I either pop them at 60km as they flight straight at me or the drones take em out while I concentrate on something that's kicking out DPS.
If the game was easier it'd be wow but then missions aren't exactly hard as long as you tank right and dish out the right damage.
This is not how petitions should be used
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