Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 2 post(s) |
|
CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1417
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 17:55:00 -
[1] - Quote
Dearest Alliance Tournament Interested Space Commanders,
Many of you have seen that there have been a few changes to the rules between this year and last yearGÇÖs tournament. Aside from the usual yearly tweaks in format and ship composition weGÇÖve also had to add or change some rules in order to provide an environment of fair competition, or as fair as competition can be within EVE. We learned as a team last year that in order to provide a fair environment for the entire EVE audience we need to be a lot more careful with the sometimes hard-to-gauge overlap in alliances in order to ensure that the tournament wasnGÇÖt simply packed with the B and C teams of immensely influential or powerful alliances. This is the EVE Alliance Tournament which we believe should be a venue for as many of the alliances as possible from within New Eden to compete for the top prize. We donGÇÖt believe that a small alliance who can only field one team should struggle against the odds simply to be a competitor with the odds stacked against them by people who have the capacity to essentially place multiple bets.
In addition to our concerns about smaller teams even being able to gain entry weGÇÖve encountered a situation where carefully coordinated collusion between alliances, which from the tournament perspective operate as a single logical unit, can also twist the results which in our view presents an equally unfair playing field. This is not at all to say that thereGÇÖs no place for metagaming of any kind in the tournament. This is EVE afterall and that represents a critical component of the universe we all enjoy. It does mean however that we need to pay increased attention to situations where there is a negative situation and enforce our rules equally and fairly in the spirit for which they were made.
It is because of these philosophical beliefs and changes that we have come to the tough decision of removing three teams from eligibility for competition in Alliance Tournament X.
It was widely known after the finals last year that Hydra Reloaded and Outbreak. had worked together as a single unit in order to game the competition. It was our hope that they would take their winnings and enter this yearGÇÖs tournament as separate entities without having to consider a replay of last year. They are both individually highly competitive teams and when they are working in their own interests they are among the best. Unfortunately Hydra and Outbreak are working from the same playbook as last year, practicing together in a single corporation on the test server in a single wormhole. We view them as they represent themselves, which mirrors how they represented themselves last year, as a single entity. For that reason they are barred from competition having entered the tournament masquerading as two units while functioning in reality as one.
YOUR VOTES DONGÇÖT COUNT is an alliance consisting of a holding corporation and Sniggwaffe, which is widely known as the farm team for Sniggerdly. This is a fact which they openly admit. Unfortunately given that fact, and given the fact that the team captain and CEO bounce regularly between or have alts in Pandemic Legion, we cannot consider them anything other than a B team for Pandemic Legion and as such have to remove them from eligibility for competition.
Other than removal from competition none of the teams affected will be penalized in any way and their application fees will be returned.
We know that some of you will agree with this decision and some of you, clearly those removed, will not. We have not gone into it lightly and have spent multiple hours deliberating about it. We are however, unanimous in this decision given the weight of the evidence and felt it best to get this out of the way prior to any bidding in the auction this evening. Ultimately we feel that the equal enforcement of these rules is necessary in order to provide a competitive and fair tournament environment and that was the basis for our decision. We apologize to those affected sincerely that we did not make this decision any sooner, but it was not one that was made lightly and needed to be given due attention. While we understand that some of you may be a bit put off please try to maintain some modicum of decorum (that means donGÇÖt be a butt) on the forums as the rules havenGÇÖt changed and we wonGÇÖt be here to see your rage this evening as weGÇÖre running the auctions.
I also want to note that we will be continuing these investigations throughout the tournament and there may at later stages be teams that choose to game the system. Should that occur we will edit this thread and include additional information related to their removal.
With all that said weGÇÖre looking forward to moving on and making Alliance Tournament X the best and most competitive tournament ever so enjoy the rest of your evening!
Running list of removed teams:
Hydra Reloaded Outbreak. YOUR VOTES DONGÇÖT COUNT "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
|
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
336
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 17:59:00 -
[2] - Quote
burn cheating bastards! PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
TheButcherPete
Specter Syndicate Persona Non Gratis
197
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:01:00 -
[3] - Quote
Cool beans bro My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
|
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
725
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:07:00 -
[4] - Quote
Hydra Reloaded and Outbreak...
if its only about those two you could give them the option for form ONE temporary alliance and participate with that in the competition. If they can fight side by side anyway it should be no problem. a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
pBump
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
4
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:08:00 -
[5] - Quote
Yes, the competitiveness and quality of Alliance Tournament X has been vastly improved by removing both Hydra and Outbreak.
Well played.
This is so plainly vindictive for last years final a 5 year old could see it. |
Mik kyo
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
32
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:24:00 -
[6] - Quote
Fair enough removing the CHEATERS but the waffles should be allowed to compete! |
Mr Blue
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
24
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:26:00 -
[7] - Quote
gf gf
tho in all fairness you should have let hydra/outbreak compete together as 1 team rather than banning them outright.... |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
124
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:28:00 -
[8] - Quote
How are PL allowed but 1 of Hydra or Outbreak not? |
Musician
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:28:00 -
[9] - Quote
"With all that said weGÇÖre looking forward to moving on and making Alliance Tournament X the best and most competitive tournament ever so enjoy the rest of your evening!"
How do you justify this statement by removing the top two ranked alliances in your tournament-turned-comedy.... |
Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
430
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:28:00 -
[10] - Quote
Wow you're mad
gf |
|
Mr Blue
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
24
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:29:00 -
[11] - Quote
Daneel Trevize wrote:How are PL allowed but 1 of Hydra or Outbreak not? PL dont train with waffles.. as waffles is generally not trusted at all(they are a feeder corp but is full of spys and whatnot). p big difference. compared to working together. |
joefishy
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
1
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:33:00 -
[12] - Quote
what a joke. |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
124
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:33:00 -
[13] - Quote
No other teams are testing together? What about the TQ tourne run in (iirc) Syndicate earlier this year, is that allowed between said teams?
Surely if you disallow a B-team/secondary team, you get those involved to name an A/primary team and that is eligible. |
Tawa Suyo
The Tuskers
33
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:33:00 -
[14] - Quote
Wow.
CCP are really angry about last years final aren't they?
I get you don't want the same level of meta gaming anymore (and frankly hydra/outbreak could have staged a more exciting/realistic final match), but banning both hydra and outbreak but allowing PL to still enter their A team smacks of favouritism and holding grudges.
Not to mention that you claim to want a high level of competition but then ban one of the best teams in the game. This will lower the overall skill level in the tournament and make for less exciting competition.
Either ban PL too or allow hydra/outbreak to enter a single team and declare the other the B team. Or at least have the decency to admit that this entire decision is based on a grudge... |
KSUDruid
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
12
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:34:00 -
[15] - Quote
Daneel Trevize wrote:How are PL allowed but 1 of Hydra or Outbreak not?
Probably due to the **** that happened last year in a dismal show
And free Waffles, poor lil fellas! |
Ichera
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:37:00 -
[16] - Quote
Mr Blue wrote:Daneel Trevize wrote:How are PL allowed but 1 of Hydra or Outbreak not? PL dont train with waffles.. as waffles is generally not trusted at all(they are a feeder corp but is full of spys and whatnot). p big difference. compared to working together.
Actually most of us were looking forward to stomping PL using our elite spy network and small gang experiance.
That said, its too bad. Though im not surprised by CCP's ruling because in essence we are still a training for for Sniggerdly.
Also, PL didn't orchestrate the debacle that was last years finals. |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
125
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:38:00 -
[17] - Quote
It was only the final that was bad, and understandably so. The key fights leading up to it were great examples of the best the Tourne can offer.
Please try to have more integrity than the Olympic and Euro football cup committees. |
Alekto Descendant
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
10
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:40:00 -
[18] - Quote
While I understand the rational for both Outbreak and Sniggwaffe not being allowed to compete, I feel banning Hydra is mistake. Hydra is a fantastic team, and puts a ridiculous amount of work into the alliance tournament. banning Hydra does not improve the quality of this tournament, drastically it reduces it. |
Grog Drinker
The Tuskers
32
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:42:00 -
[19] - Quote
I honestly don't know if I will watch the tournament now. You have removed the best teams and lowered the bar significantly.
|
penifSMASH
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
88
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:42:00 -
[20] - Quote
Wouldn't it make more sense to prevent either Hydra OR Outbreak (instead of both) from competing?
Alekto Descendant wrote:While I understand the rational for both Outbreak and Sniggwaffe not being allowed to compete, I feel banning Hydra is mistake. Hydra is a fantastic team, and puts a ridiculous amount of work into the alliance tournament. banning Hydra does not improve the quality of this tournament, drastically it reduces it.
also this, you're doing a disservice to the AT by barring them from it |
|
Tsubutai
The Tuskers
99
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:45:00 -
[21] - Quote
Banning two of the strongest teams will only serve to reduce the quality of the tournament and make for less interesting viewing. Tell them not to train together, sure, but banning them is silly and outright harmful to the tourney as a spectacle/showcase. |
Rojo Mojo
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
4
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:47:00 -
[22] - Quote
Understand the decision about waffles, not happy about it, but I do understand. And as everyone else has stated, either Hydra or Outbreak should be allowed to compete. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
712
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:48:00 -
[23] - Quote
Tawa Suyo wrote: Either ban PL too or allow hydra/outbreak to enter a single team and declare the other the B team. Or at least have the decency to admit that this entire decision is based on a grudge...
Hydra and Outbreak are being removed because they're testing together in the same wormhole, they will draw from the same pool of theory, they are in essence one team attempting to get first and second place.
PL and YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT do not share information, pilots, resources or anything else. Testing is being done in completely different locations, waffes are sourcing all their own materials and all their information is private.
That is the difference in their outcomes and choices.
|
Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
89
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:52:00 -
[24] - Quote
Yes, hydra ruined the finals last year.
But in order to ruin it, they had to get two teams to the finals. Removing them from the tournament just lowers the quality of pvp. |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
126
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:52:00 -
[25] - Quote
You think people aren't testing against their own out-of-corp highsec/w-space carebear alt accounts? Or that people don't have accounts in multiple valid alliances? Which would mean officially-opposing TQ pilots are colluding.
Again, Syndicate had a 5-or-more-way-tourne on TQ, what's different about those teams being allowed rather than those that test on Sisi for free? |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
66
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:54:00 -
[26] - Quote
no defending champion to beat is p. lame :O |
Sala Cameron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
2
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 18:56:00 -
[27] - Quote
poor waffles :( |
Oso Mafioso
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 19:00:00 -
[28] - Quote
Free Waffles |
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
13
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 19:00:00 -
[29] - Quote
I think Hydra and Outbreak do deserve to be banned (some of them are the very same people), but I also think the tournament would have been better and more interesting with one of them participating. |
Zach Donnell
Ghost-Busters
35
|
Posted - 2012.05.24 19:01:00 -
[30] - Quote
Last years tournament was disappointing as a fan for sure, however this year's is shaping up to be a total joke. Amazing job CCP. |
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |