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Illwen
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Posted - 2009.07.27 01:37:00 -
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I've got a miner alt, and I started to trainer him for an Exhumer a while ago but decided to stop and train this guy. I'm considering training for his freighter again, and I'm wondering if it's a profitable business. Should I just go for a Hulk?
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.07.27 01:41:00 -
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It is every EVE citizen's right to own a freighter. By all means train for it.
 Originally by: "CCP Pann"
Over the last few days, the internet has been under attack
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Illwen
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Posted - 2009.07.27 01:44:00 -
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Just because you have a right to own a gun, it doesn't mean you MUST own one. I'm asking if it's profitable.
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Hashimoto Hoshiko
Caldari
Hashimoto Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.27 01:48:00 -
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It's as profitable as you make it.
If you have great knowledge of the Market, connections to suppliers and/or buyers for bulk orders, significant personal wealth to invest or the means to acquire public investment... Yes. Very.
It's not an automatic ISK printing press. You have to work with it to make it profitable.
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Illwen
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Posted - 2009.07.27 01:52:00 -
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Well in the end, time equals money. A Hulk can mine for a very long time, as opposed to the hours dragging a freighter across the galaxy. Which is most money efficient in your guys' eyes?
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Sir Rush
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Posted - 2009.07.27 02:14:00 -
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MD generally doesnt spoon-feed you with info.
Research this yourself, get to know the market, etc. In the end, it's all gonna depend on what you'd be trading and how much profit you'd be making off of it.
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Jotobar
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Posted - 2009.07.27 03:11:00 -
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Someone once said around here: "If you need to move alot of stuff, then you need a freighter". I allways thought this was an good explanation.
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Kitchie
Gallente
Vikramaditya
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Posted - 2009.07.27 05:12:00 -
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Edited by: Kitchie on 27/07/2009 05:13:50
Originally by: Jotobar
Someone once said around here: "If you need to move alot of stuff, then you need a freighter". I allways thought this was an good explanation.
Couldn't have put it better myself..... (ignoring typos)
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Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.07.27 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: Julian Koll on 27/07/2009 05:20:39
Edited by: Julian Koll on 27/07/2009 05:20:05
Edited by: Julian Koll on 27/07/2009 05:19:32
Originally by: Jotobar
Someone once said around here: "If you need to move alot of stuff, then you need a freighter". I allways thought this was an good explanation.
Was it the same guy that said "If you have to ask how to earn money with a freighter, you don't need one" ?
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Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.07.27 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Illwen
I've got a miner alt, and I started to trainer him for an Exhumer a while ago but decided to stop and train this guy. I'm considering training for his freighter again, and I'm wondering if it's a profitable business. Should I just go for a Hulk?
A Hulk can suck roids, which is profitable. A Freighter is only profitable if there's a need for it, and it is only profitable during that period of need. Need can cease quickly and even surprisingly. With a Hulk, you can undock and suck roids for half an hour if that's what you feel like. It's the equivalent of doing half an hour of level grinding in WoW (although more boring for some).
A Freighter can be sold once you're done with it, but you'll lose between 50 and 150 million ISK relative to the buy price, perhaps more. Also, the skill itself to lear to fly a Freighter costs over 100 million ISK IIRC. It's fairly quick to train Caldari Freighter (or some other racial Freighter skill) to 3, though. That which takes time is IIRC training racial Industrial to 5, and training Spaceship Command to 5. And even then, racial Industrial is useful in itself if you're a miner or trader, hauler or whatever.
I've got a Freighter. My alt can fly one, and has one presently. My non-alt corp mate also has the skillz to fly a Freighter, and has one bought with corp money. We use all 3 Freighters to earn ISK for the corp, using a brute-force and labour-intensive but safe trading/hauling scheme that is, as far as I can guesstimate, more profitable than mining veldspar, in terms of ISK per hour. Once we've earned some billion ISK this way, I'll sell 2 of the Freighters (accepting a loss of several hundred million ISK - but yes, it is worth it for us, and likewise worth the cost of the skillbooks for my alt and the corp member). The last Freighter I'll retain for occasional use, for when the 3 corporate Bustards aren't enough.
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Vasta Magna
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Posted - 2009.07.27 05:45:00 -
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I agree more with the "if you don't have something specific you want to do with it, you don't need it" side.
I've had a freighter a long time, and I bought it with the intent of general volume trading/hauling. I almost never use it for that. While it's really useful in certain situations (enough that I've never sold it off), you really need a plan if you intend to make it your primary business. A hulk on the other hand is a safe, steady, dull income.
Another thing people often forget (I did) is that it takes a lot of ISK to leverage a freighter's capabilities. If you're trading, you need a lot of capital, if you're a courier, you need a lot for collateral. So if you go freighter be sure to save a healthy chunk beyond the cost of the ship itself.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.07.27 07:42:00 -
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@Above: The freigther book is 67.5M iirc.
Ofc there are pre-requisite and hardly cheap other books to take.
To the OP: I made a freigther the day I needed it, not a day earlier.
And the fun part is, that even when you need it, you might usually just hire a cheap freight service to do it for you and with their collateral.
In my case the only reasons I got one are:
- Need to carry 200-500k m3 at a time
- Need to be at a certain market in a precise, predictable, short timeframe (often weeding out third party services).
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D'ceet
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:13:00 -
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i trained for a freighter...because i already had caldari indy V - damn transport ships...dont even use them anymore...nor do i own a charon..
double down...
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Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2009.07.27 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jotobar
Someone once said around here: "If you need to move alot of stuff, then you need a freighter". I allways thought this was an good explanation.
I kinda have to agree with that. As for it being profitable, you need to know your markets. Don't go into hauling for money, it blows.
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Jettax
Gallente
The Professional's Club
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:40:00 -
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quote=Salpad]A Freighter can be sold once you're done with it, but you'll lose between 50 and 150 million ISK relative to the buy price, perhaps more. Also,
A good trader would win on both trades.
If I get a freighter, I will be buying it 50-100mil below market cost then selling it for market price to 50mil abv avg.
Netting me the use of a freighter and 100mil when Im done with it.
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.27 11:59:00 -
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I think it's worth to learn. A week ago, I found a freighter wreck in high sec, With 600M worth of stuff inside. I looted it with my freighter, so it almost payed out the initial Freighter cost. 
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Nydia Carver
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Posted - 2009.07.27 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Hamster
I think it's worth to learn. A week ago, I found a freighter wreck in high sec, With 600M worth of stuff inside. I looted it with my freighter, so it almost payed out the initial Freighter cost.
I thought you can't put stuff from cans or wrecks to freighter..
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Meridius Dex
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.07.27 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Nydia Carver
Originally by: Lost Hamster
I think it's worth to learn. A week ago, I found a freighter wreck in high sec, With 600M worth of stuff inside. I looted it with my freighter, so it almost payed out the initial Freighter cost.
I thought you can't put stuff from cans or wrecks to freighter..
I believe the only items you can pull from a wreck with a freighter are freight containers.
In any case, I would never have looted someone elses wreck and gone flashy in a freighter, that's a good way to lose yours. Of course, that might have something to do with the fact I don't bother insuring mine anymore.
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Zaxix
Red Frog Investments
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Posted - 2009.07.27 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Zaxix on 27/07/2009 14:43:09
If you need stuff hauled, save your time and money and just contract us to do it: Red Frog Freight. OR, you could JOIN us.
Is it worth training for a freighter? Yes.
Does it make a lot of money? If you combine hauling with trading, the hold is always full, the freighter is always moving, and you provide the best d@mn freight service in EVE, Yes.
...but unless you're with Red Frog, that just isn't possible.  (but you're welcome to try!)
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Lilith lafolle
Minmatar
Beehive Technologies
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Posted - 2009.07.27 15:39:00 -
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Does it help for your mining ? No
Is it useful ? Yes, if you can be successful in trading.
It it worth to go and sell minerals at better places after mining ?
No, even in the non populated / lost mining systems, there will be mineral buy orders close enough to the hub value - not making it worth to haul to hub and sell. Unless you talk about a small hulk fleet addicted to roids ;) In this case, an Orca will help more anyhow.
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Veritech knight
Envoy Corps
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Posted - 2009.07.27 16:27:00 -
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profitable, no, but very useful.
it's like asking if it is worth it to get an espresso machine at the office. it wont make any money, but helps with morale and productivity :)
if you can spare the 800m for a freighter, train for it.
I'm in the same boat, but for jump freighters :) trained for it, havnt bought one yet
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.27 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius Dex
I believe the only items you can pull from a wreck with a freighter are freight containers.
I don't know, but I could loot the freighter with a freighter.
Originally by: Meridius Dex
In any case, I would never have looted someone elses wreck and gone flashy in a freighter, that's a good way to lose yours. Of course, that might have something to do with the fact I don't bother insuring mine anymore.
I was scared as well, but the owner was n00b corp member, and he was offline. So it was worth. 
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.27 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 27/07/2009 18:47:59
When you reach the point when you need a Freighter, you will know it.
For me it happened once I started needing multiple 15 jump trips to market and 15 jumps back in an Orca.
I bought the books, and a Charon, and will be starting the skill training shortly.
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Aviditas
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Posted - 2009.07.28 04:36:00 -
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You might consider a compromise of going with an Orca. A Hulk pilot alerady has many prereqs done for this. It will haul a significant amount of cargo...including rigged ships! If hauling is slow, it seriously jacks up the mining profits. Win win and much cheaper than a freighter.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.07.28 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Hamster
I was scared as well, but the owner was n00b corp member, and he was offline. So it was worth.
Depends which NPC corp it was, and whether you were in their home space or not. I would think very carefully before looting an SWA/SAK wreck in Jita, for example, but not if it was in the middle of nowhere.
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Shaitis
Caldari
Fallen Angel's
Blade.
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Posted - 2009.07.28 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Illwen
Well in the end, time equals money. A Hulk can mine for a very long time, as opposed to the hours dragging a freighter across the galaxy. Which is most money efficient in your guys' eyes?
Each of my Freighters is doing 30-100 mln daily (AFK freighter runs), just getting another one.
Point is that you can do sam amount of money with any ships in game, but it involves being active. Ofcourse its not only freighter, its matter of invested money. 1 mln isk is producing 10000-50000 isk easly. 10 bil is producing 100000000-500000000 isk
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Darcon Kylote
Terminal Impact
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Posted - 2009.07.28 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Lost Hamster
I was scared as well, but the owner was n00b corp member, and he was offline. So it was worth.
Depends which NPC corp it was, and whether you were in their home space or not. I would think very carefully before looting an SWA/SAK wreck in Jita, for example, but not if it was in the middle of nowhere.
I don't *think* that you are agressed to all members of the noob corp, are you? Isn't NPC corp special and aren't you only agressed to the owner?
I've always assumed that, never tested it to be sure.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.07.28 14:05:00 -
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Back in my own SAK days, I remember rather a lot of people piling on to someone who looted an SAK wreck.
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Ivanna Nuke
Gallente
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.07.28 14:43:00 -
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AFAIK, if you loot a NPC wreck only the person owning the wreck is given rights to attack.
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Thulza Doom
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Posted - 2009.09.21 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Illwen
I've got a miner alt, and I started to trainer him for an Exhumer a while ago but decided to stop and train this guy. I'm considering training for his freighter again, and I'm wondering if it's a profitable business. Should I just go for a Hulk?
Well I'm a builder and trader. I've hit a friggen wall witht he haulers I have. I need to haul tens of millions units of minerals for moy prdution fairly regularly so my only real option to speed things up is a freighter.so until I can fly one I am pretty much dead in the water. It all depends on your needs and your plans. For me a freighter is a must have. It may not be for you. I'd look at how much crap you realistically plan on hauling around and the cargo hold size of the other less expensive ships available.
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