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Derekian
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Posted - 2004.10.03 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Derekian on 03/10/2004 12:52:04
Edited by: Derekian on 03/10/2004 12:49:27
Ok guys, earlier today me and a corp mate thought to play 1vs1 (i played with Apoc he played with megathron).
We started at about 10km i think, anyhow he had a blasterthron setup. He started approaching with mwd and i started shooting, his shields went down quite fast ok till now.
Then he came at about 50-200m, at that distance i couldn't hit anything at all, he had me webbed too and i didn't have a mwd.He had perfect hardners for my dmg (1xem 2xthermal) and i had the same hardners so only the 2xthermal ones were protecting me from his dmg.
I tanked him for some time but my cap eventually dropped to 0 and i still couldn't hit him.....every now and then i could get a shot but he was easily repairing.
I was using 8xMegapulse with Gamma crystals
4 Cap rechargers (a mix of named ones)
2 large Armor repairers (Automated and inneficient),1xem hardner,2xthermal,2 cap relays.
My cap recharge is 230secs IIRC.
Now my question is this, Is there a way to counter this? Cos i couldn't get away to get some range so my guns could start hitting him.
Thx in advance, Derekian.
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Derekian
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Posted - 2004.10.03 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Derekian on 03/10/2004 12:52:04
Edited by: Derekian on 03/10/2004 12:49:27
Ok guys, earlier today me and a corp mate thought to play 1vs1 (i played with Apoc he played with megathron).
We started at about 10km i think, anyhow he had a blasterthron setup. He started approaching with mwd and i started shooting, his shields went down quite fast ok till now.
Then he came at about 50-200m, at that distance i couldn't hit anything at all, he had me webbed too and i didn't have a mwd.He had perfect hardners for my dmg (1xem 2xthermal) and i had the same hardners so only the 2xthermal ones were protecting me from his dmg.
I tanked him for some time but my cap eventually dropped to 0 and i still couldn't hit him.....every now and then i could get a shot but he was easily repairing.
I was using 8xMegapulse with Gamma crystals
4 Cap rechargers (a mix of named ones)
2 large Armor repairers (Automated and inneficient),1xem hardner,2xthermal,2 cap relays.
My cap recharge is 230secs IIRC.
Now my question is this, Is there a way to counter this? Cos i couldn't get away to get some range so my guns could start hitting him.
Thx in advance, Derekian.
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F4ze
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Posted - 2004.10.03 12:53:00 -
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No.
Don't engage a blasterthron at 10km unless you're in a torp Raven or something else closerange.
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F4ze
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Posted - 2004.10.03 12:53:00 -
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No.
Don't engage a blasterthron at 10km unless you're in a torp Raven or something else closerange.
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Bellicose
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Posted - 2004.10.03 13:11:00 -
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well your tanked against EM/THERMAL but all blasterthrons use antimatter wich are 28kinetic /20 thermal so your only really tanked against the thermal not the kinetic damage.. ontop of that is that the apocalypse got only 25% res in kinetic damage. just my thoughts
Who needs a shovel when you have a nice big cannon?
KittenArmy
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Bellicose
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Posted - 2004.10.03 13:11:00 -
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well your tanked against EM/THERMAL but all blasterthrons use antimatter wich are 28kinetic /20 thermal so your only really tanked against the thermal not the kinetic damage.. ontop of that is that the apocalypse got only 25% res in kinetic damage. just my thoughts
Who needs a shovel when you have a nice big cannon?
KittenArmy
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Derekian
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Posted - 2004.10.03 13:16:00 -
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I know that with the right hardners i could propably tank his damage.
Im asking if there is a way to counter it and start dealing some damage to him too
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Derekian
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Posted - 2004.10.03 13:16:00 -
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I know that with the right hardners i could propably tank his damage.
Im asking if there is a way to counter it and start dealing some damage to him too
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.10.03 13:25:00 -
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well their is always a setup that counters ur opponent.. if u want to go through this again, u need to look at guns.. u need short range, rather than the ones u have fitted.. u may also want to use heavy NOS.. megas have a cap issue, and all mega pilots worry bout this.. zap his cap.
maybe try 4 nos, 3 large smartbombs, 1 siege with torps. just for the shock and awe factor .
like a say, for one setup, their is always a counter.. knowing what u are up against beofre u fit is always nice .
d solo.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.10.03 13:25:00 -
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well their is always a setup that counters ur opponent.. if u want to go through this again, u need to look at guns.. u need short range, rather than the ones u have fitted.. u may also want to use heavy NOS.. megas have a cap issue, and all mega pilots worry bout this.. zap his cap.
maybe try 4 nos, 3 large smartbombs, 1 siege with torps. just for the shock and awe factor.
like a say, for one setup, their is always a counter.. knowing what u are up against beofre u fit is always nice.
d solo.
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2004.10.03 13:51:00 -
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 Originally by: darth solo
well their is always a setup that counters ur opponent.. if u want to go through this again, u need to look at guns.. u need short range, rather than the ones u have fitted.. u may also want to use heavy NOS.. megas have a cap issue, and all mega pilots worry bout this.. zap his cap.
maybe try 4 nos, 3 large smartbombs, 1 siege with torps. just for the shock and awe factor.
like a say, for one setup, their is always a counter.. knowing what u are up against beofre u fit is always nice.
d solo.
This is what needs to be said in all unbalance/nerf/denerf whinetopics. I have rarely seen a valid whine on these forums. The setup you had rigged was the kind of setup that i wouldn't wanna be caught with by a BT user.
The em hardner is useless which pretty much cuts your tanking ability in half...ouch. Secondly your not doing any damage, no possible way to win the fight, your only hope is to outlast that mega till his cap runs out and you can escape. You were basically a sitting duck. BT's are nasty up close so don't let them come close and keep them at a distance of you can, if you can't then warp out. Nothign else for it....or you could try one of Darth's setups there is you already know your doing a 1v1 against a mega :P
Wining a 1v1 is all about what your doing in the station. Once you lock and exchange fire the winner has already been decided.
Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2004.10.03 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
well their is always a setup that counters ur opponent.. if u want to go through this again, u need to look at guns.. u need short range, rather than the ones u have fitted.. u may also want to use heavy NOS.. megas have a cap issue, and all mega pilots worry bout this.. zap his cap.
maybe try 4 nos, 3 large smartbombs, 1 siege with torps. just for the shock and awe factor.
like a say, for one setup, their is always a counter.. knowing what u are up against beofre u fit is always nice.
d solo.
This is what needs to be said in all unbalance/nerf/denerf whinetopics. I have rarely seen a valid whine on these forums. The setup you had rigged was the kind of setup that i wouldn't wanna be caught with by a BT user.
The em hardner is useless which pretty much cuts your tanking ability in half...ouch. Secondly your not doing any damage, no possible way to win the fight, your only hope is to outlast that mega till his cap runs out and you can escape. You were basically a sitting duck. BT's are nasty up close so don't let them come close and keep them at a distance of you can, if you can't then warp out. Nothign else for it....or you could try one of Darth's setups there is you already know your doing a 1v1 against a mega :P
Wining a 1v1 is all about what your doing in the station. Once you lock and exchange fire the winner has already been decided.
Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.10.03 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 03/10/2004 14:58:54
Hmm even with two kinetic and one thermal armour hardener you shouldn't be able to tank a blastherthrons damage. Unless of course he compromised his setup to be able to tank as well as do damage. A mega setup with 6-7 large blasters and a few damage mods cant be tanked. If it can, something is wrong.
If you want to keep such a blasterthron from killing you you need alot of cap to hold out a while and some heavy nosferatus to drain his cap. Cap is the mega's vulnerability.
Unless you bring a Raven next time. The Raven stands at least an equal chance against a Blasterthron (assuming it's setup to tank kinetic as well as thermal and has brought some torps).
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.10.03 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 03/10/2004 14:58:54
Hmm even with two kinetic and one thermal armour hardener you shouldn't be able to tank a blastherthrons damage. Unless of course he compromised his setup to be able to tank as well as do damage. A mega setup with 6-7 large blasters and a few damage mods cant be tanked. If it can, something is wrong.
If you want to keep such a blasterthron from killing you you need alot of cap to hold out a while and some heavy nosferatus to drain his cap. Cap is the mega's vulnerability.
Unless you bring a Raven next time. The Raven stands at least an equal chance against a Blasterthron (assuming it's setup to tank kinetic as well as thermal and has brought some torps).
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Clipped Wings
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Posted - 2004.10.03 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Derekian
I know that with the right hardners i could propably tank his damage.
Im asking if there is a way to counter it and start dealing some damage to him too
TBH, no, you'd not neccesarily be able to tank a blasterthron. If he's set up properly (IE, high skills, good guns, multiple damage mods, etc) then I'd reckon you'd need at least 1 thermal, and 1-2 kinetic hardeners, in addition to 1 large named repairer and either a T2 med one, or another named large. Blasterthrons, when in their optimal range, should be night impossible to tank...
You don't mention, btw, if he was using drones? Keep in mind, 8 heavy drones (I'm assuming drone interfacing 3) will deal, if not insane damage, then, at least, noticeable damage as well.
You won' be dealing any serious damage to him, if he plays his cards right, tbh...
-Clipped Wings of LFC
"I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man."
~William Hazlitt
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Clipped Wings
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Posted - 2004.10.03 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Derekian
I know that with the right hardners i could propably tank his damage.
Im asking if there is a way to counter it and start dealing some damage to him too
TBH, no, you'd not neccesarily be able to tank a blasterthron. If he's set up properly (IE, high skills, good guns, multiple damage mods, etc) then I'd reckon you'd need at least 1 thermal, and 1-2 kinetic hardeners, in addition to 1 large named repairer and either a T2 med one, or another named large. Blasterthrons, when in their optimal range, should be night impossible to tank...
You don't mention, btw, if he was using drones? Keep in mind, 8 heavy drones (I'm assuming drone interfacing 3) will deal, if not insane damage, then, at least, noticeable damage as well.
You won' be dealing any serious damage to him, if he plays his cards right, tbh...
-Clipped Wings of LFC
"I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man."
~William Hazlitt
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.10.03 16:04:00 -
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Well usually you dont know what you are up against and tanking 2x thermal 1x emp really gimps your ship. Far more normal setups either use thermal+kinetic or kinetic, thermal and expl.
But if you want to kick his ass just fit medium blasters (only a day training orso), and use 2x thermal 2x kineticharderners and a full set of explosive heavy drones. That will******his blaster setup away basicly because he expects you to use lasers, which IMHO is just lame to do in contest forms (in normal pvp more props to the guy wasting me that way for having the intel what i fly and the oppotunity to refit).
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.10.03 16:04:00 -
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Well usually you dont know what you are up against and tanking 2x thermal 1x emp really gimps your ship. Far more normal setups either use thermal+kinetic or kinetic, thermal and expl.
But if you want to kick his ass just fit medium blasters (only a day training orso), and use 2x thermal 2x kineticharderners and a full set of explosive heavy drones. That will******his blaster setup away basicly because he expects you to use lasers, which IMHO is just lame to do in contest forms (in normal pvp more props to the guy wasting me that way for having the intel what i fly and the oppotunity to refit).
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Rivek
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Posted - 2004.10.03 19:04:00 -
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Creating a setup specifically to beat your one known opponent in a predetermined matchup is a good first step in a running a meaningless test.
Why dont you guys just each fit 4 racial jammers and get it over with?
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Rivek
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Posted - 2004.10.03 19:04:00 -
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Creating a setup specifically to beat your one known opponent in a predetermined matchup is a good first step in a running a meaningless test.
Why dont you guys just each fit 4 racial jammers and get it over with?
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Derekian
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Posted - 2004.10.03 20:18:00 -
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 He wasn't using drones and i had those hardners cos i was rat hunting.
No about the medium blasters, as the other guy said it's only for HIM....i dont want to have a setup for blasterthrons only just something that could help me beat them
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Derekian
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Posted - 2004.10.03 20:18:00 -
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He wasn't using drones and i had those hardners cos i was rat hunting.
No about the medium blasters, as the other guy said it's only for HIM....i dont want to have a setup for blasterthrons only just something that could help me beat them
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2004.10.03 22:27:00 -
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Hm? Trouble beating a BThron? Have you tried keeping him outside 5km? It's rather easy, just fit 4 webs and you're safe from BThrons ;)
Seriously, a BThron facing a proper PulsePoc is fried unless he starts really close. That means, drop the hardners and fit Heat Sinks.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2004.10.03 22:27:00 -
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Hm? Trouble beating a BThron? Have you tried keeping him outside 5km? It's rather easy, just fit 4 webs and you're safe from BThrons ;)
Seriously, a BThron facing a proper PulsePoc is fried unless he starts really close. That means, drop the hardners and fit Heat Sinks.
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Nozferato
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Posted - 2004.10.04 06:06:00 -
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This kight be way off, but....:
Why did you engange at such close range?
If im not mistaken, you could have some Reactor Stabelizers so he could warp disrupt you..warp out and in again at longer ranger..maybe 30km and use long range range combat.
Again, this might be way of ;)
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Nozferato
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Posted - 2004.10.04 06:06:00 -
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This kight be way off, but....:
Why did you engange at such close range?
If im not mistaken, you could have some Reactor Stabelizers so he could warp disrupt you..warp out and in again at longer ranger..maybe 30km and use long range range combat.
Again, this might be way of ;)
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.10.04 06:19:00 -
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2 webs or 2 l nosferatus, 1 kinetic and 1 thermal hardeners, 1l named +1m tech 2 repairers or 2 large named rep. its enough to kill blasterthrone in apoc.
In first option web him fast before he will be close to you, you will stay quite far from him and you will be able to do dmg to him
In second option you will drain his cap so he will be forced to kill mwd and/or few of his guns (start shooting when he isnt mwding to preserve your cap)
If you combine this 2 options he is frayed
Use med drones, send them to enemies drones when he launch his own than when they are dead use them on your opponent (use those that do explosive dmg)
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.10.04 06:19:00 -
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2 webs or 2 l nosferatus, 1 kinetic and 1 thermal hardeners, 1l named +1m tech 2 repairers or 2 large named rep. its enough to kill blasterthrone in apoc.
In first option web him fast before he will be close to you, you will stay quite far from him and you will be able to do dmg to him
In second option you will drain his cap so he will be forced to kill mwd and/or few of his guns (start shooting when he isnt mwding to preserve your cap)
If you combine this 2 options he is frayed
Use med drones, send them to enemies drones when he launch his own than when they are dead use them on your opponent (use those that do explosive dmg)
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Mole Guy
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Posted - 2004.10.04 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nozferato
This kight be way off, but....:
Why did you engange at such close range?
If im not mistaken, you could have some Reactor Stabelizers so he could warp disrupt you..warp out and in again at longer ranger..maybe 30km and use long range range combat.
Again, this might be way of ;)
I think this is the answer, if you just warp out and back in at longer range youll force him to use his mwd to get back close which will suck his precious cap, keep doing this and youll pound him as youll be causing damage as he approaches you, eventually hell be dead in the water and wont be able to mwd to you then just warp disrupt him and finish him off,
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Mole Guy
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Posted - 2004.10.04 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nozferato
This kight be way off, but....:
Why did you engange at such close range?
If im not mistaken, you could have some Reactor Stabelizers so he could warp disrupt you..warp out and in again at longer ranger..maybe 30km and use long range range combat.
Again, this might be way of ;)
I think this is the answer, if you just warp out and back in at longer range youll force him to use his mwd to get back close which will suck his precious cap, keep doing this and youll pound him as youll be causing damage as he approaches you, eventually hell be dead in the water and wont be able to mwd to you then just warp disrupt him and finish him off,
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