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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:03:00 -
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I still amazed that technetium currenty is how it is. As my understanding the buff to tech was created to be a solution to the disprosium and promethium bottlenecks. Since this chance the technetium has proven to be a bigger bottleneck than those 2. In matter of fact, this was known and well spoken on feedback sections on this forum. This gave me a few questions and i was wondering if people knew answers on these;
why has there been choosen for technetium, a rarity 32 moon
why has there been choosen for a moon type thats the most clustered moon ingame
why are all other more rarity moons (r64), so useless; iow disbalanced as in material usage in t2 comps
why is this disbalance ongoing for the time it has being going on
why is the income stream gained by some alliances from this condoned by ccp
is there a limit on how much isk an entity can gain for doing nothing exept fueling a pos once a month and hauling goo to empire
would it be possible that hoarding that much is over a long period of time, create a unfair armsrace vs other entities
wouldnt it be time bat this type of income to eveheaven and invent a more active way for enities to gain income, like taxes
as these queztion affects 0.0 politics alot and is a ongoing issue from a gigantic daily player base, isnt it a good idea to review the decion making process of the tech change and investigate this matter
as some wiseguy said; if its too good to be true it probaly is, is it?
as concerning player im shocked about the entire issue, modeling, implementing and handling. i would like to encourage CSM members to take over this serious issue that might br endangering the continuation of eve gameplay on longterm
/Hemmo
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
EPIC Alliance
78
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:08:00 -
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Because HTFU
To clarify:
It's because, while supercaps are the endgame for individual pilots, tech moons are the endgame for alliances. They're supposed to be goals for alliances to have, but now alliances are too entrenched to unshift.
I only ever emerge from the shadows when my main is banned. |
Implying Implications
Broski Enterprises
68
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:13:00 -
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shut up |
Cameron Cahill
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:28:00 -
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So your alliance has tried and failed repeatedly over the past month or so to take tech, so now you've decided 'If you can't beat em, whine at CCP'.
Ahh the -A- we all know and love. |
Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
304
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:30:00 -
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We won EVE. It's ok to be mad about it.
Heh. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
713
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:33:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:I still amazed that technetium currenty is how it is. As my understanding the buff to tech was created to be a solution to the disprosium and promethium bottlenecks. Since this chance the technetium has proven to be a bigger bottleneck than those 2. In matter of fact, this was known and well spoken on feedback sections on this forum. This gave me a few questions and i was wondering if people knew answers on these;
why has there been choosen for technetium, a rarity 32 moon
why has there been choosen for a moon type thats the most clustered moon ingame
why are all other more rarity moons (r64), so useless; iow disbalanced as in material usage in t2 comps
why is this disbalance ongoing for the time it has being going on
why is the income stream gained by some alliances from this condoned by ccp
is there a limit on how much isk an entity can gain for doing nothing exept fueling a pos once a month and hauling goo to empire
would it be possible that hoarding that much is over a long period of time, create a unfair armsrace vs other entities
wouldnt it be time bat this type of income to eveheaven and invent a more active way for enities to gain income, like taxes
as these queztion affects 0.0 politics alot and is a ongoing issue from a gigantic daily player base, isnt it a good idea to review the decion making process of the tech change and investigate this matter
as some wiseguy said; if its too good to be true it probaly is, is it?
as concerning player im shocked about the entire issue, modeling, implementing and handling. i would like to encourage CSM members to take over this serious issue that might br endangering the continuation of eve gameplay on longterm
/Hemmo
For those of you having trouble reading this I'll summarize.
For nearly a month solid now AAA has been attacking Pandemic Legion tech moons, but diplomacy, tact, and strategy have beaten them into the ground.
Their recourse is now to cry on EVE forums instead of their own internal forums over the way Herc handled the diplomatic situation when he entered the theater, and the way hes tried to hamfist his way through it with threats of violence to the other moon holders in the area.
If AAA wanted tech moons, they could have had them easily, but by threatening violence against the other tech holders should they get involved, Herc basically slit his own wrists, because of course they all got involved.
Now, this long month later, AAA starts to get mad and of course if you can't beat something in AAA your next obvious step is to cry for it to be nerfed.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Hulkageddon Orphanage
1255
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:33:00 -
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Implying Implications wrote:shut up
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Skydell
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
276
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:33:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:So your alliance has tried and failed repeatedly over the past month or so to take tech, so now you've decided 'If you can't beat em, whine at CCP'.
Ahh the -A- we all know and love.
Kind of like how you couldn't out blob Raiden Titan fleets so you sucked some ccpdick and had them nerf your enemy?
When in Rome? |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:34:00 -
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if you want to make a point then do so.
don't make me read through a wall of dreadfully written rhetoric questions. |
Pisov viet
Kaesong Kosmonauts
Test Alliance Please Ignore
11
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:35:00 -
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Quote:As my understanding the buff to tech was created to be a solution to the disprosium and promethium bottlenecks. Since this chance the technetium has proven to be a bigger bottleneck than those 2.
Your head is deep into your ass if you think the tech bottleneck is anywhere close to the situation before that. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
875
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:37:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:So your alliance has tried and failed repeatedly over the past month or so to take tech, so now you've decided 'If you can't beat em, whine at CCP'.
Ahh the -A- we all know and love.
Tinnin Sylph wrote:We won EVE. It's ok to be mad about it.
So smug.
Thanks for the whines, please come again.
10/10 would :smug: again.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:37:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:why is the income stream gained by some alliances from this condoned by ccp
Because you need to fight to get them, they've never been given to someone and you perfectly know it.
The good stuff is that you can go there and fight to get them. It's only up to you to do something about instead of moaning.
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DurrHurrDurr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
517
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:39:00 -
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Take a look at the distribution of R64s in regions like Delve/ Querious and some areas of the drone regions. Before the last moon rebalance R64s (excluding Thulium) were the king moneymakers and Delve had more of them than anywhere else by a pretty gross margin.
Lack of balance drives conflict. It sparked great wars over Delve, the DRF northern push, the anti-coalition coalition pushes and the general firestorm that has been Tenal/Tribute/Vale of the Silent/Geminate.
Alliances that want to be rich will move and invade to get rich. Just because -A- isn't as rich as it used to be because of the rebalance has little to do with imbalance (especially considering the previous prices of R64s and the strength of Delve/Querious in that regard) and more to do with the fact that they have spent years in the same handful of regions without shifting their moneymaking schemes. All they've been are the holders of Catch and the presiding landlord of renter slums.
Technetium is not ruining other alliances' income; the other alliances' inability to take technetium (even in neutral areas such as Aridia, Syndicate, Outer Ring, Venal, etc) is what's ruining their income. Rooks and Kings has owned much of the NPC null/lowsec technetium until recently, there's no reason -A- shouldn't be able to wrestle some of it away other than their own shortcomings. |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group
DarkCorp Imperium
19
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:39:00 -
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technetium is not "working as intended" and never has been
ccp tried to fix the previous bottleneck, but made a worse mess
that is also the reason a fix to tech is taking so long because they don't want to mess it up again
there should be high value moons that top alliances are prepared to tear each others guts out to own, but they should be part of a balanced and intentional system of sliding value, starting from R64s and on down
i hope that clears the current tech issue up for everyone on the GD subforum again...for like the 50th time... |
Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate
THORN Alliance
206
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:44:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:I still amazed that technetium currenty is how it is. As my understanding the buff to tech was created to be a solution to the disprosium and promethium bottlenecks. Since this chance the technetium has proven to be a bigger bottleneck than those 2. In matter of fact, this was known and well spoken on feedback sections on this forum. This gave me a few questions and i was wondering if people knew answers on these;
why has there been choosen for technetium, a rarity 32 moon
why has there been choosen for a moon type thats the most clustered moon ingame
why are all other more rarity moons (r64), so useless; iow disbalanced as in material usage in t2 comps
why is this disbalance ongoing for the time it has being going on
why is the income stream gained by some alliances from this condoned by ccp
is there a limit on how much isk an entity can gain for doing nothing exept fueling a pos once a month and hauling goo to empire
would it be possible that hoarding that much is over a long period of time, create a unfair armsrace vs other entities
wouldnt it be time bat this type of income to eveheaven and invent a more active way for enities to gain income, like taxes
as these queztion affects 0.0 politics alot and is a ongoing issue from a gigantic daily player base, isnt it a good idea to review the decion making process of the tech change and investigate this matter
as some wiseguy said; if its too good to be true it probaly is, is it?
as concerning player im shocked about the entire issue, modeling, implementing and handling. i would like to encourage CSM members to take over this serious issue that might br endangering the continuation of eve gameplay on longterm
/Hemmo
This kind of trash is one reason we stayed in the -A- block for all of like 5 days. Pathetic. |
Spurty
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
275
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:44:00 -
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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/moons
Play a game. Redistribute moons fairer. Go for it .. ouch!
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
714
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:45:00 -
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SetrakDark wrote:technetium is not "working as intended" and never has been
ccp tried to fix the previous bottleneck, but made a worse mess
that is also the reason a fix to tech is taking so long because they don't want to mess it up again
there should be high value moons that top alliances are prepared to tear each others guts out to own, but they should be part of a balanced and intentional system of sliding value, starting from R64s and on down.
Its not possible to do what you're saying, there will ALWAYS be a bottleneck, always.
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Zain Andreas
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:47:00 -
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Ticket closed: WORKSFORME |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
228
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:47:00 -
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Cameron Cahill wrote:So your alliance has tried and failed repeatedly over the past month or so to take tech, so now you've decided 'If you can't beat em, whine at CCP'.
Ahh the -A- we all know and love.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group
DarkCorp Imperium
20
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:48:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Its not possible to do what you're saying, there will ALWAYS be a bottleneck, always.
I tend to agree with you. I think CCP have created a system that they don't have the computational ability to control. However, it seems that they think they can, and that belief is shaping their decision process to attempt yet another fix.
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Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
308
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:50:00 -
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I didn't even notice this guy was -A-. His tears just got more delicious.
Quick CCP, nerf that resource because my alliance is too awful to obtain some and it makes me sad .
Heh. |
Lord Zim
697
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:53:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Cameron Cahill wrote:So your alliance has tried and failed repeatedly over the past month or so to take tech, so now you've decided 'If you can't beat em, whine at CCP'.
Ahh the -A- we all know and love. Kind of like how you couldn't out blob Raiden Titan fleets so you sucked some ccpdick and had them nerf your enemy?
Titans were nerfed? |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group
DarkCorp Imperium
20
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:54:00 -
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Tinnin Sylph wrote:I didn't even notice the gut was -A-. His tears just got more delicious.
Quick CCP, nerf that resource because my alliance is too awful to obtain some and it makes me sad .
Confirming whatever the next "hot ticket" income item is, -A- still won't have any of it.
Once a second rate rental slumlord, always a second rate rental slumlord.
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Anashka caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
8
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Posted - 2012.05.25 17:57:00 -
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Oh well, lets hope the winter expansion will shake thing up a bit  |
Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
308
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Posted - 2012.05.25 18:02:00 -
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It'll shake things up, then when it all settles we'll still be on top. Because while we're pretty bad at EVE, the rest of you people are just plain awful at it.
Heh. |
alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
27
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Posted - 2012.05.25 18:05:00 -
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MOONS are bs... passive income... nothing more... tech is the largest joke of them all... 8bill a month moons...
Ya how the **** do you fight that. |
Anashka caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
8
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Posted - 2012.05.25 18:06:00 -
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Bad as goons, jeee come on don't be like  |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
716
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Posted - 2012.05.25 18:08:00 -
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alittlebirdy wrote:MOONS are bs... passive income... nothing more... tech is the largest joke of them all... 8bill a month moons...
Ya how the **** do you fight that.
They're actually currently making around 15 billion a month but thanks for the interest.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group
DarkCorp Imperium
21
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Posted - 2012.05.25 18:09:00 -
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alittlebirdy wrote:MOONS are bs... passive income... nothing more... tech is the largest joke of them all... 8bill a month moons...
Ya how the **** do you fight that.
try 14b, brogurt |
Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
309
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Posted - 2012.05.25 18:09:00 -
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You could put the effort in and form a stupidly well organised alliance of thousands of players and spend years fighting on a daily basis to acquire all of the glorious isk spewing moons?
But no, you'll just stick to bitching about other player achievements on the forums while you sit in high sec spinning ships and .01 isking the market so you can finally buy that new hulk you've had your eye on for the last 3 years. While you do that I'll be tooling around in Deklien in a multi billion isk pimp mobile and wont even bat an eye when I lose it is some gloriously stupid way.
Heh. |
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