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Biggi Raeubertochter	Posted - 2009.08.01 10:41:00 - [1] prices went down to ridiculous lows... this counts for all w-space datacores. radar sites are atm not even close to worth doing anymore. whats your opinions about this?
Adeena Torcfist Caldari Dark Underground Forces	Posted - 2009.08.01 11:02:00 - [2] maybe now, T3 ships will be at a reasonable price. you should know, things are always inflated when new features are added.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.01 11:23:00 - [3] OH NOES MY ISK PRINTING BACKBONE! Isn't T3 being cheaper than it currently is the point of making datacores, etc drop more frequently?
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.08.01 11:42:00 - [4] It should come down, along with other ships. 800mil for a glorified cruiser is not fun. Remember fun? My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Slave 2739FKZ	Posted - 2009.08.01 12:09:00 - [5] What is funny is that now the bottleneck is elsewhere, so target prices are still far away (a complete t3 ship still costs well beyond 500 mill.). I hope there is a bit mroe of tuning on the next (1.5) patch in the droprates to make bluepints worth it and to low the bottleneck items prices.
Blnukem 192 Amarr Clan Gold Viper	Posted - 2009.08.01 15:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Remember fun? The fun is a lie. I do not know this fun you speak of.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.01 15:51:00 - [7] Originally by: Biggi Raeubertochter prices went down to ridiculous lows... this counts for all w-space datacores. radar sites are atm not even close to worth doing anymore. whats your opinions about this? Translation: 'I still make gobs of isk running them but not unholy gobs like before. This is outrageous. ' Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.01 15:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Biggi Raeubertochter prices went down to ridiculous lows... this counts for all w-space datacores. radar sites are atm not even close to worth doing anymore. whats your opinions about this? That they need to come down even more. We're still at ~4+ the supposed price of T3. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.01 16:02:00 - [9] Oh yeah, op also needs to show math that proves running wormhole sites are less profitable than empire level 4 missions with the reduced prices. Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.08.01 16:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Sheriff Jones It should come down, along with other ships. 800mil for a glorified cruiser is not fun. Remember fun? There is no fun. Only level 4 missions...
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.01 17:30:00 - [11] Well personal exprience for me is that the droprate went up 5x and the price dropped 20x. Meaning that a good C3 radarsite which used to be a 1 hour solo cleanout with an estimated profit of 100-200m done in a 0.0 system with no local is now a 25-50 kinda thing for 1 hours work. Compared to 0.0 ratting or even L4 missionrunning it becomes a high risk low reward activity. "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.08.01 18:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Hyveres Well personal exprience for me is that the droprate went up 5x and the price dropped 20x. Meaning that a good C3 radarsite which used to be a 1 hour solo cleanout with an estimated profit of 100-200m done in a 0.0 system with no local is now a 25-50 kinda thing for 1 hours work. Compared to 0.0 ratting or even L4 missionrunning it becomes a high risk low reward activity. then stop doing it. if you and everyone stops doing them, the offer of T3 ships will drop while maintaining, or increasing, the needs of said ships, increasing their prices, and, by proxy, the price of their components, untill there's enough people farming them, wich will cause a price drop, and we're back to square one yet again. you know what's called? it's called "free market" and "market economics". --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
VoiceInTheDesert Inroads	Posted - 2009.08.01 19:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Hyveres Well personal exprience for me is that the droprate went up 5x and the price dropped 20x. Meaning that a good C3 radarsite which used to be a 1 hour solo cleanout with an estimated profit of 100-200m done in a 0.0 system with no local is now a 25-50 kinda thing for 1 hours work. Compared to 0.0 ratting or even L4 missionrunning it becomes a high risk low reward activity. You're mad you can't get 100-200mil an hour and can instead only get 25-50? I haven't run lvl 4s in a long time, but I'm pretty sure that if I could pull in 25-50mil an hour doing them, I would say **** pvp and do that for about a month and then buy a mothership.
mechtech Entropy Industries	Posted - 2009.08.01 20:04:00 - [14] Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert Originally by: Hyveres Well personal exprience for me is that the droprate went up 5x and the price dropped 20x. Meaning that a good C3 radarsite which used to be a 1 hour solo cleanout with an estimated profit of 100-200m done in a 0.0 system with no local is now a 25-50 kinda thing for 1 hours work. Compared to 0.0 ratting or even L4 missionrunning it becomes a high risk low reward activity. You're mad you can't get 100-200mil an hour and can instead only get 25-50? I haven't run lvl 4s in a long time, but I'm pretty sure that if I could pull in 25-50mil an hour doing them, I would say **** pvp and do that for about a month and then buy a mothership. L4s easily make 50m an hour if you have decent skills/ship.
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2009.08.01 20:26:00 - [15] prices are also dependent on supply and demand, supply went down and the demand went down hence the prices dropped more than the upshot in supply. every rich person that wanted to already got theirs at 3 billion early on and would pay anything to be "first" driving the prices up on top of only a handful of people were actually making the stuff at first. and as the prices level out less people make item X (t3 hulls in this case) sending the prices shooting back up. bit more of a wrinkle in this system because it is dependent on wh farming for the production parts. but look at any of the new stuff prices start out really high at first drop to a reasonable level then go back up to being really high again, see marauders that were selling at around 650 mil not long after they came out now are pushing 1 billion a pop.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.08.01 20:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ What is funny is that now the bottleneck is elsewhere, so target prices are still far away (a complete t3 ship still costs well beyond 500 mill.). I hope there is a bit mroe of tuning on the next (1.5) patch in the droprates to make bluepints worth it and to low the bottleneck items prices. Hell yeah! I think we should have them as the new "rookie ship" so whenever you die you get a free strategic cruiser. I think its totaly out of order people have to spend isk on powerful ships. SKUNK (o)
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.01 20:40:00 - [17] Originally by: mechtech Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert Originally by: Hyveres Well personal exprience for me is that the droprate went up 5x and the price dropped 20x. Meaning that a good C3 radarsite which used to be a 1 hour solo cleanout with an estimated profit of 100-200m done in a 0.0 system with no local is now a 25-50 kinda thing for 1 hours work. Compared to 0.0 ratting or even L4 missionrunning it becomes a high risk low reward activity. You're mad you can't get 100-200mil an hour and can instead only get 25-50? I haven't run lvl 4s in a long time, but I'm pretty sure that if I could pull in 25-50mil an hour doing them, I would say **** pvp and do that for about a month and then buy a mothership. L4s easily make 50m an hour if you have decent skills/ship. L4s can easily make you 25 mil/hour if you have a decent ship and decent skills. They can get you 45+ millions hour if you have a pimped mission running ship, know the missions very well, very good skills and the standing with the right agents. So Voice, if you have great missile and shield tanking skills, are willing to spend the time to learn the missions (having done them a long time ago don't count) and are willing to spend at least 2 billions for a ship and pimping, it you can reach your goal
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.01 20:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Venkul Mul L4s can easily make you 25 mil/hour if you have a decent ship and decent skills. They can get you 45+ millions hour if you have a pimped mission running ship, know the missions very well, very good skills and the standing with the right agents. So Voice, if you have great missile and shield tanking skills, are willing to spend the time to learn the missions (having done them a long time ago don't count) and are willing to spend at least 2 billions for a ship and pimping, it you can reach your goal I would be tempted to say drop about 5~10 mil off that estimate as lp and salvage don't pay what they used to. Oh snap, quick make a thread about how level 4 payouts are ruined by low lp and salvage returns. Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
Cagot Spelunkers	Posted - 2009.08.01 20:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Biggi Raeubertochter prices [on w-space datacores] went down to ridiculous lows... whats your opinions about this? That they need to come down even more. We're still at ~4+ the supposed price of T3. Not so - I build the full chain of Proteus hulls and subsystems from the ground up, and my costs would be very little different if the datacore price dropped from the current low rate to zero. The tall pole in the tent is (and was even before the datacore drop rate changed) Neurovisual Input Matrix ancient salvage bits. If NIMs dropped a lot more often, I think the tall pole would probably then be high-end gas. In any case, prices are indeed continuing to drop on hulls: I've been chasing the market to the bottom with a cheaper-every-day Proteus hull for over a week now. I think CCP is right not to act precipitously while they're finding out how the changes they've made affect their target. I'm not whinging about the changing prices - just saying you're wrong about how to affect them.
Psade	Posted - 2009.08.01 21:10:00 - [20] Yes, they overdid it. When/if the backed up supply of RAMs and decryptors from when datacores were so rare dries up, radar sites might be profitable again. Right now they are essentially combat anoms.
Jared D'Uroth Universal Peace Operation	Posted - 2009.08.01 21:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ What is funny is that now the bottleneck is elsewhere, so target prices are still far away (a complete t3 ship still costs well beyond 500 mill.). I hope there is a bit mroe of tuning on the next (1.5) patch in the droprates to make bluepints worth it and to low the bottleneck items prices. Hell yeah! I think we should have them as the new "rookie ship" so whenever you die you get a free strategic cruiser. I think its totaly out of order people have to spend isk on powerful ships. SKUNK They're not that great (unless it's a proteus) === Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega My instinct says troll, but there's this little nagging voice saying some people really are that dumb.
Discrodia Gallente Guardian Legion SCUM.	Posted - 2009.08.01 21:56:00 - [22] Edited by: Discrodia on 01/08/2009 21:56:51 The experience of Wormholes is still 1000x better than level 4s. Problem solved. Edit: Also I like I won't hafta pay 5billion ISKies if my Proteus dies (god forbid) ___________________________________________ I can see my house from here! It's just... err.... you know, a few galaxies over. But I swear it's there!

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