So pretty much, the OP got butthurt at your corp being tools. Your corp then wardec's and griefs him till he can't take it any longer and you demand your epeen boosted with this public apology and therein act all thankful at his said apology.


LOL Indeed douche bags LOL INDEED

Apologies accepted.

take care ...

I would also like an apology for having been subjected to this terrible crap of a thread. Are you guys done rubbing your epeens together? It's really doing nothing for me. Not even a half chub.

My apologies for this post to you. Can we kiss, make up and exchange flowers now .....

Claws of the Demon is a proud corp but we know when we are wrong. We insulted Pantsufan of Skeleton Crew alliance and it was uncalled for and immature. We Apologize for our treatment of Pantsufan and wish his forgiveness. From this moment on Claws of the Demon will not bug, harrass or intimidate him for the rest of our corp's life time.

thank you,
Master Tyberious

You want some lube to go with all that forced pumpin you been takin there BOY?

Wich you were my celly in prison cause you would be followin me wth your wonderbread hair in pigtails holdin on to my pocket like you were my property....

Man up.
You been made a fool of son.

I would also like an apology for having been subjected to this terrible crap of a thread. Are you guys done rubbing your epeens together? It's really doing nothing for me. Not even a half chub.

Hahohehahohehaho

Skele...terrible alliance lol

We are coming for you, bro's :)

Short story:


Irrelevant a acting big to Irrelevant b, B grabs some balls and wardecs A didn't expect that and after embarrased themselves on C&P

Confirmed.

Looks like Claws of the Deamon wimped out after 4 or so losses. Perhaps it was the threat of the war that got them scared. If so, you got scammed out of that apology. Should've just toughed it out, sugar.

Sorry, but who are you? I haven't heard of you before, seems noob corp alts are the new "true gangsters who served time." Maybe you should go back, society doesn't yet appreciate you.

So pretty much, the OP got butthurt at your corp being tools. Your corp then wardec's and griefs him till he can't take it any longer and you demand your epeen boosted with this public apology and therein act all thankful at his said apology.


LOL Indeed douche bags LOL INDEED

Oh, come on. It doesn't get any better than this.

I know right?! Only two pages. I keep checking this thread hoping that it'll become something worth reading and find myself disappointed.

Word on the street is that the OP's corporation recently paid 10Bn ISK to join GOONSWARM.

Claws of the Demon is a proud corp but we know when we are wrong. We insulted Pantsufan of Skeleton Crew alliance and it was uncalled for and immature. We Apologize for our treatment of Pantsufan and wish his forgiveness. From this moment on Claws of the Demon will not bug, harrass or intimidate him for the rest of our corp's life time.

thank you,
Master Tyberious

My apologies for this post to you. Can we kiss, make up and exchange flowers now .....

You were never forced to look inside the thread, as such your request for an apology is herein declined, please try again at a later date. Thank you, and have a good day.

I'd watch your tongue, else you might be right back on these forums soon doing another forced apology to me and my alliance

Claws of the Demon is a proud corp but we know when we are wrong. We insulted Pantsufan of Skeleton Crew alliance and it was uncalled for and immature. We Apologize for our treatment of Pantsufan and wish his forgiveness. From this moment on Claws of the Demon will not bug, harrass or intimidate him for the rest of our corp's life time.

thank you,
Master Tyberious

I hope you realize you just set yourself up as a Pi+¦ata from now on. Never surrender publically like that in the forums. If you are doing this because you are in the right but are being coerced into apologizing and surrender, it's better to stand by your guns and tough it out.

Ehnea

To be fair, we don't know both sides of the story. It could be just trash talk that got out of hand, and the guy is sorry for bringing hell to his alliance. I have a lot of respect for people who say they were wrong in front of everyone. It says a lot about their character.

RR

Can I get you to come make us apologize? I'm pretty good at saying mean things too.

We don't know both sides of the story. It could be just trash talk that got out of hand, and the guy is sorry for bringing hell to his alliance. I have a lot of respect for people who say they were wrong in front of everyone. It says a lot about their character.

RR

We don't know both sides of the story. It could be just trash talk that got out of hand, and the guy is sorry for bringing hell to his alliance. I have a lot of respect for people who say they were wrong in front of everyone. It says a lot about their character.

RR

In this case, it says that they're pushovers. They're apologizing as a way to appease a threat, not apologizing because they know in their hearts they did something wrong.

You are also good at hotdropping supers on Rifters, but I digress.

Is telling the alliance leader to **** off and suck your **** in his personal abode channel on TS something I can regret doing?

We're watching you... watching you carefully.

We're watching you... watching you carefully.

Mildly indifferent about our loot thus far, we were just about to leave the alliance when Pants asks if we would mind moving the alliance. First he has us pickup his final nest-egg from some random nul system where he had about 750k m3 of warchest, including more TCU's, SBUs, and another large faction tower, T3's etc. He also asked us to move stuff for the entire alliance, and send a mail about it. You may have read it.

We have now picked up over 60 contracts, most quite large. After taking a peek past the shrink wrap, it appears to be every ship, module, POS, BPO, drone, mineral, criminal dogtag, faction loot, and copy of Pax Amarria that the alliance owned, except a few caps you jumped out yourself and a few ships you died in on the way to the new home. There were many T3's and faction fit ships. It took us over 50 round trips in our group of JFs and carriers to move it all, it was a LOT of stuff.

Okay, so those of you who set up couriers that Pants asked you to, are wondering what has become of your stuff. You know that song "Destination Calabria" by Christal Waters where she sings "...destination unknown!"... Well, the good news is the desitnation is not unknown. The bad news is, the destination is Jita 4-4. A lot of alts were used to haul your stuff to Jita all weekend, which is why it has taken us so long to deal with the contracts.

We could have obviously kept this going forever, but we felt we had enough isk from Pants to cover our losses, and also everyone be given full visibilty as to why we did this, but also most importantly, understand if we did not do these things, somebody else would have. Johan was right, it was all preventable and Pants brought this down on you.

Hopefully you are watching him more than you watch your assets which got nicked.

Because everything said in alliance mail and subsequently posted to EveSkunk is legitimate.

Now that we all know who has riped off the entire alliance for no evednt reason and now yet again i am forced witha choice that i never thought i would have to make.
Let me reassure everyone i will not die nor will i give up on this allaince.
I will how ever repay for everyones losses that was ripped of from black camper. I was the most lost in all this and my loss is small in my eyes compared to what ever it was you guys lost even if it was small than mine
heres what i need a list or amount of isk that was lost

-A- will not be reseting us you have my word on that and if need be i will get a leader from them to say it them selves or send a mail to me

Heres how i see this can pan out due to what has happen i would not blame any corp for leave i would request all to stay as we have been through so much and we have over come the odds. Lets over come this.
Ignore black campers mail please everyone i know its not that easy i am implore to ignore it


The JF serivce will be dont through my self or with in corps for now it is canceld

Guys i am a man of my word and i will replace or repay losses and when i mean we over come this i mean BURN EVE i am just kidding what i really mean is contumie what we have plan adn set out to do.

To all the new corps I am sorry for you having to deal with this it is not how i run nor how a alliance should treat its new members. I am truly sorry and would request you stay and help us become amazing. We still can.


If you ahve any questions please convo me

Because everything said in alliance mail and subsequently posted to EveSkunk is legitimate.

Considering pulling from the API isn't forgery I'm assuming that means you just troll your entire alliance via mail to make yourselves look bad because .... Please explain.

I am a member of The Skeleton Crew.

Operation Dasvidaniya as we call it went, on for 9 days. Anyone else would have caught on instantly, but not SKELE. As you can see from this post even, they still have not rooted out all the involved parties. They still have not realized the extent of how poor the recruiting and security is. There are more besides me as well.

Despite an obvious frame job of a newer pilot recruited into the holding corp, alliance leadership refused to accept reality and instead told the alliance that the billing system was broken and bugged and that's why the sov was lost. Actualy, I took them as I had roles to do so. This was one of many aspects of Operation Dasvidaniya.

As for confirming the theft, yes.

Here is a list of what was taken, there is more to be inventoried, but this is the meat and potatoes:

4 Ihubs
10 TCUs
3 Large Shadow Towers
14 hulks
12 macks
5 Tengu
1 Obelisk
1 bil moon goo
20+ covops/SB
about 10 recons
5 large towers
4 medium towers
misc POS mods/guns
Scorpion/Ruppy/Myrm/Geddon BPOs
Misc Ammo BPOs
Cyna/Mach BPC
Revelation BPC kit
Chimera BPC kit
Captial Armor Plates BPO
Capital Drone Bay BPO
Nyx BPC
Assorted tags/faction mods
DED loot, B-type shiled boosters, X-type hardernes, etc
4 Faction Bs
15 BS
20+ BC
5 JF's full of compressed ABC/M
500k M3 in ammo/drones

Still selling it all, but so far over 50bil

Funny guy.

Getting back to the subject at hand, It doesn't matter what really happened. What matters now is how Claws is going to be perceived for apologizing in the forums. They're going to look whipped. They're going to look like an easy mark. I wouldn't be surprised if Skeleton Crew comes back for seconds down the road, assuming someone else does not beat them to it.

If both parties felt Claws had to apologize, fine, but the smart thing was to leave it in-game. Optics have a tendancy of doing more damage than the truth. Any politician who puts his foot in his mouth over a verbal gaffe understands this very well.

Ehnea.

Just so everyone knows Don Campers Main is BlackCamper
To set the record stright yes we had Blackcampers corp steal not just from my self which tbh was fine but taken from members who was just trying to enjoy the game. So i must say that Blackcamper you sir are a master at being a moron the BPO's was all yours as was the BPC kit you purchased from me you sir are retarted. I will admit we did loose alot from this scam but we are still here and we are still alive so blackcamper aka Don Camper you sir have failed and are still a liar all assets lost equaled 16.53 bil lost not 50 bill so you are sir are not even close to correct please learn game dynamics a bit more and try and rip off some one whos lets bigger next time and not just the members who actully like you and tbh you scammed your own corp with lying and saying you was hacked when you wasent and you scammed you own friends inside this alliance who looked up to you.

I will admit we did loose alot from this scam but we are still here and we are still alive so blackcamper aka Don Camper you sir have failed and are still a liar all assets lost equaled 16.53 bil lost not 50 bill so you are sir are not even close to correct please learn game dynamics a bit more and try and rip off some one whos lets bigger next time and not just the members who actully like you and tbh you scammed your own corp with lying and saying you was hacked when you wasent and you scammed you own friends inside this alliance who looked up to you.

This "Circus" of a thread has warmed up rather nicely. Nothing more entertaining than observing grown men squabble and trade cheap blows on the internet while going through the motions over the heist of a few virtual nik naks.

Leaning back and pretending to be smug is so very badass of you.

Just so everyone knows Don Campers Main is BlackCamper
To set the record stright yes we had Blackcampers corp steal not just from my self which tbh was fine but taken from members who was just trying to enjoy the game. So i must say that Blackcamper you sir are a master at being a moron the BPO's was all yours as was the BPC kit you purchased from me you sir are retarted. I will admit we did loose alot from this scam but we are still here and we are still alive so blackcamper aka Don Camper you sir have failed and are still a liar all assets lost equaled 16.53 bil lost not 50 bill so you are sir are not even close to correct please learn game dynamics a bit more and try and rip off some one whos lets bigger next time and not just the members who actully like you and tbh you scammed your own corp with lying and saying you was hacked when you wasent and you scammed you own friends inside this alliance who looked up to you.

So all in all lets recap your a liar to not just my self but your own corp members, you betray people who call you a friend good job on that great way to show character, and lastly you a immature child its a game play it, if you had a problem with one person who was myself could have just scammed me not them members. BTW just so you know i have never been broke nor will I good job get your story stright and all has been remburst.

I put this wall'o'text it into Google translate and got it this:

It took us weeks to realize Don CAMPER was Black CAMPER's alt, and still didn't boot him after the theft. We buy plex when we have to reimburse stuff. Forget about those other alliances who only offer a ship replacement program, we offer a ALL ITEMS replacement program, recruiting open.


After going to eveskunk and reading what is, without a doubt one of the juiciest mails ever, 'Dasvidaniya' and then the Alliance CEO's reply, I have to say, excellent heist and madbro confirmed. http://www.eveskunk.com/?allianceID=99001787

Observing and analysing the actions of humans on the internet is indeed an enjoyable experience. I chose my words not to appear badass but in an attempt to keep a simmering pot simmering. Whats ruffled your feathers about that?

Ohh, we have an internet Anthropologist *** Psychologist now. Double disciplines, how in the world do you balance that at a professional level?

I do think you are slightly anatomically confused; so far as I know mammals do not tend to have feathers.

Alliance Dues are due 15 mil per pserson except to those who i have cleared with otherwise omounts set
I know this is the last thing you guys wanted to know about if there are problems with the fees please contact me i am here and please just let me know

This "Circus" of a thread has warmed up rather nicely. Nothing more entertaining than observing grown men squabble and trade cheap blows on the internet while going through the motions over the heist of a few virtual nik naks.

"Pantsufan" wrote:
I will how ever repay for everyones losses that was ripped of from black camper. I was the most lost in all this and my loss is small in my eyes compared to what ever it was you guys lost even if it was small than mine

"PantsuFan" wrote:
Alliance Dues are due 15 mil per pserson except to those who i have cleared with otherwise omounts set
I know this is the last thing you guys wanted to know about if there are problems with the fees please contact me i am here and please just let me know

Just when I thought I had seen the furthest depths of human stupidity, along comes this. I didn't think such a thing was possible.

Some useful information for your future life with the Skeleton Crew.

First, what we will examine below, in excruciating detail, is that no matter how good your individual security may be at the corp level, Panysufan has mortaged all of your futures by continually ignoring the security of the alliance. In short, whatever you do does not matter, your hard work and isk will be undone will be wasted, just as ours was.

Let's begin with the formation of the alliance. We poured lots of isk and risk into building up our pocket, which we were paying rent for. But the alliance began to crumble. The first signs of poor leadership was the FC'ing by Pants involving dropping caps on a tower with no support and keeping the siege green even when enemy super pilots began logging in and a red in local. The KB continued to bleed due to poor fitting enforcement, poor training and other reasons. Each day it seemed there was a new CTA, a new plan, no direction, no execution, just fail.

This began to attract some unsavory characters, who joined the alliance and spammed that we were going to lose the space, gimme all your stuff, Ill keep it safe and so on. Half the alliance left and a few badguys made off with billions of holding corp assets. Keep in mind Pants recruited them into the holding corp and gave them roles.

The next straw was recruiting someone else into the holding corp, with no background check or API check, who had been in 38 corps in 1 year, an obvious spy/awoxer. The next day he tackled a -A- renter Rorqual and lit a cyno for a gang who killed it, doing 5 bil in dmg to -A-. Pants still owes -A- for this Rorqual.

Next a coalition was formed so the KB would turn green. This worked, but SKEL only had 1 or 2 ships per fleet, and it was obvious that Pants was riding the coatails of everyone else. This and the failed diplo with Brick Squad cuased a lot of attrition, no more 50 in fleet on TS.

Numerous mails were sent and conversations had about how things were being neglected from a security perspective. Even -A-'s infield security chief had some concerns which were brought to the alliance. Nothing changed except we were all told we were moving.

While we understand the alliance is run as a dictatorship, the work we had put in, the plan the vision that was sold to us as to where, what and how the alliance was, was pulled out from under us by the very same leader who in his own words is consumed by greed. We lost billions, for doing what we were asked to do, and offered no reparations.

Here is where you should grab a tissue and a stuffed animal.

Looking for compensation, we found some low-hanging fruit left dangling in the breeze by Pants. We began by offlining and unanchoring the iHubs in all systems in the DZ6 area. We freightered these back to Dz6, they are now on the market for sale. We had a toon in the holding corp for some time with full roles, sound familiar?

We then created a fresh alt to give all of you fair warning via mail, as we really didnt harbor any ill-will to anyone except Pants for breaking his commitments to us. Sadly, very few followed the warning, choosing instead to believe the CEO had been hacked.

Obelisk on scan, local = 0 hmm. We find Pants' freighter floating in a POS. One of our pilots simply grabbed it and went to DZ6, took the moon goo (was only 1 bil, not the 20 bil he reported) and repacked the freighter for sale there. To be clear, the POS was not locked down at all, and the ship was floating in space. If it had been locked down, he would have gotten his stuff back on petition. Johan was right. Pants repsonse, lock down all POS towers until someone gives it back! lol.

Despite the full POS lockdown, we offlined a Large Shadow tower with the holding corp toon and hauled it out. We didnt have roles to pack the mods, so we flew around and found a few random nuets to come shoot them. Check the KB for all the stuff that went boom. You don't want to know what was in those POS mods when they got blown up by the Stain raiding party. Billions of isk worth of holding corp assets, gone.

Pants did nothing after the first night where he lost the large faction tower, he was too deer-in-headlights to manage any response. So we came back the next night and took down 3 large and 2 medium towers, Those of you that were using alliance towers, lost all your ships and loot in the process. The Stain guys were good enough to come through and pop all the mods on those as well the 2nd night.

Next we attacked and killed the newest member of the holding corp ratting in an Abby. Not suprisingly, she emoraged about blue on blue *********. We rationalized our actions by identifying her as the person who took the iHubs. Pants saw she had roles to unanchor stuff so this allegation made sense. What he didnt realize is that we used our toon with rights in the holding corp to grant this girl her own rights, and Pants never checked the log. Instead, he claimed his PC had been hacked (lol) and wasted more time and resources petitoning CCP for what was his own mistake. The innocent Abby pilot not only lost her ship, but was also booted from corp. Why he was recruitng randoms again into his holding corp we have no idea.

Next, mails from DED began to pour in to all members about losing sov in all the systems (we offlined the TCUs and hauled those out as well) people started to panic. Another mail went out from our new alt saying it was over, get out, etc...timed to coincide with the arrival of the notifications about lost sov. Some of you ignored even this 2nd warning, choosing instead to have another glass of the Pants kool-aid. Other more prudent pilots/corps started to tear down POS'es, sermonize in the alliance chat that in fact it was "all over" and "the end is nigh". Pants was so broke at this point, he wasn't able to get iHubs back or TCUs online in the DZ6 area. Given that, you still moved with him out to X-6.

Mildly indifferent about our loot thus far, we were just about to leave the alliance when Pants asks if we would mind moving the alliance. First he has us pickup his final nest-egg from some random nul system where he had about 750k m3 of warchest, including more TCU's, SBUs, and another large faction tower, T3's etc. He also asked us to move stuff for the entire alliance, and send a mail about it. You may have read it.

We have now picked up over 60 contracts, most quite large. After taking a peek past the shrink wrap, it appears to be every ship, module, POS, BPO, drone, mineral, criminal dogtag, faction loot, and copy of Pax Amarria that the alliance owned, except a few caps you jumped out yourself and a few ships you died in on the way to the new home. There were many T3's and faction fit ships. It took us over 50 round trips in our group of JFs and carriers to move it all, it was a LOT of stuff.

Okay, so those of you who set up couriers that Pants asked you to, are wondering what has become of your stuff. You know that song "Destination Calabria" by Christal Waters where she sings "...destination unknown!"... Well, the good news is the desitnation is not unknown. The bad news is, the destination is Jita 4-4. A lot of alts were used to haul your stuff to Jita all weekend, which is why it has taken us so long to deal with the contracts.

We could have obviously kept this going forever, but we felt we had enough isk from Pants to cover our losses, and also everyone be given full visibilty as to why we did this, but also most importantly, understand if we did not do these things, somebody else would have. Johan was right, it was all preventable and Pants brought this down on you.

Who was involved from our side? All we have is this picture from a security camera in the DZ6 station of one of our JF pilots as he took a courier from Pants DZ6-SecCam 5-25

We hope you recover from your loss.

Dasvidaniya

I would also like an apology for having been subjected to this terrible crap of a thread. Are you guys done rubbing your epeens together? It's really doing nothing for me. Not even a half chub.

To: The Skeleton Crew,

Ok, I have had several ask me about how to set up the contracts to courier items from DZ6 to the new home and such.

Please note there is about 1 day remaining on the window where we will accept couriers for free. so get your contracts in now. After that, we charge.

We will also move stuff from Amarr and Thakala (lowsec) to X-6 so you may contract couriers from there as well. The only supported desitnation is X-6.

Here is step by step:

Step 1, go to your asset list, pull up the Dz6, Amarr, or Thakala station (or your asset hangars if you are a director in your corp and are shipping corp assets), and select from the list using shift or ctrl to highlight multiple assets for courier service. Right click these selected assets and choose "create contract". This will bring up the contract wizard.

Step 2, On the first screen of the wizard, choose "courier", and then at the bottom of this screen, choose "private". In the text field type Kicking Smurfs. When you press next, it will validate the name of the corp for you.

Step 3, On the next screen you will see a list of all the assets in that system, with a check box for each item. If you have already selected the tiems from your asset list, you can click next. Or you could choose to check other items or uncheck items. You will see in the bottom right corner "number of items". This must be below 200 per contract, or you will be told you have too many items selected. If you do, dont worry, just uncheck some and create another contract for the rest. If you have ships or cans with stuff in them (like ammo in a cargo hold), you will get a warning for each that you are shipping a 'non empty' container, this is normal, click ok. You may also be promted for large volume of m3, click ok to these messages as well.

Step 4 is the 3rd page of the wizard, where you determine where the items are going and how long we, the shipper has to complete them. In the "Ship to" field, type X-6W and then hit the search button, it will bring up only 1 possible match, the station in X-6WC7. leave the "reward" and "collateral" field empty. Set "Expiration" to 3 days from the drop down menu, and "days to complete" to 4. you may enter a description if you like, such as Dio make me a sammich.

Step 5 is to complete the wizard and finalize the courier contract. you wil be presented with a summary screen, showing pickup, destination, expiration, and cost. Note, CCP charges a paltry 10k isk per contract you setup. Review the info and if you are happy with it, press "Finish".

If anyone botches the contracts after such clear detail, Ill assume you are trolling.

Thanks!

Did we tell you that the leadership was terrible? Yes. Did you listen? No. Lol

I like how only the forum alts stir crap.

This thread is quite irrelevant to what I am interested in reading, as such I have placed it upon myself to make a complaint about it..