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Ivan Malat	Posted - 2009.08.04 06:39:00 - [31] Originally by: Omara Otawan Edited by: Omara Otawan on 04/08/2009 05:58:16 Its kinda difficult to get fights if you got a reputation of rolling premium gear and implants in dock/jumprange. People dont like fights where they need to drop the primary in less than 30 seconds all the time to avoid deagressing and redocking shenannigans. I'd avoid 0.0, its largely deserted, and people there are usually scared to fight random gangs if they arent sure they will win due to outnumbering them hardcore. But wardeccing a few large empire entities, maybe informing them who you decced as well, and taking them on at a planet or something might work. I've only been in TFS for just over a month, and I can truthfully say that I can't remember where we've played docking games with wartargets, with us being the ones docking at least. We are the ones that, most of the time, have to go hunt them down and engage them at gates, or scan them down in their safespots. Yeah, we strive for excellence in our fits, implants, and tactics, but what I think makes us good is the fact that we for the most part are not scared to lose our ships, and will often engage with odds that are against us, and come away successful. Unfortunately much of eve now will refuse to fight if they are even at the slightest disadvantage, or unable to escape if things go awry.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.08.04 07:26:00 - [32] Edited by: Omara Otawan on 04/08/2009 07:26:25 Originally by: Ivan Malat Unfortunately much of eve now will refuse to fight if they are even at the slightest disadvantage, or unable to escape if things go awry. Have you actually tried to just warp a BS gang to a planet (a lowsec one maybe, if you dont wanna wardec half empire), and wait for a fight there? A big part of getting a fight in Eve is putting yourself at a disadvantage, in a situation where the tactics you are known to use dont work well.
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2009.08.04 07:48:00 - [33] Originally by: EdwardNardella Declare ward on EVE University! They are good for a fight. pretty much this Signature removed. Please do not use another characters name in your signature without their permission. Navigator
Dirty Wizard	Posted - 2009.08.04 08:14:00 - [34] Originally by: Captain Batou Everybody we Dec runs. Like panzi's. Anyone who has any stones WarDec The Final Stand. It's cool if you don't, we knew you wouldn't fight anyway. Do you have any successful wardecs against major corps/alliances? For all we know, you're wardec'ing little ten man newbie industrial corps and claiming you're the best. It's a lot like popping mining barges and claiming to be kings of PvP.
Captain Batou THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.08.04 08:48:00 - [35] I think what this game is missing is a player base of people who aren't afraid of their own shadow. WAR DEC US. you will not be disappointed. Hey CCP, try nerfing an industrial ship next time.
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.04 09:10:00 - [36] Or you can, you know, leave highsec? ________________________________________________ Am I an alt, main, or both? You decide!
Dakron Argile Caldari THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.08.04 10:17:00 - [37] Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest Or you can, you know, leave highsec? Fortunetly for us, we do venture into Lowsec and nullsec quite regularly. To all the same result. Most of the time, however, in lowsec all we get is 30-man blobs - and we still fight and lose ships, 'cause we don't give a damn. Haven't really seen much out of nullsec either, but I guss that might be 'cause we don't have half of EvE NAP'd and we don't POS bash. As far as Eve Uni? Been there, done that. We like to keep our systems lag-free from when they drop 40+ fleets on four pilots. Privateers? Meh. They only have few left that's really any good, not to mention the docking/neut RR games. "Those who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream by night." -E.A. Poe
Dakron Argile Caldari THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.08.04 10:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Dirty Wizard Do you have any successful wardecs against major corps/alliances? For all we know, you're wardec'ing little ten man newbie industrial corps and claiming you're the best. It's a lot like popping mining barges and claiming to be kings of PvP. We're currently in a dec with The Honda Accord, we just whiped the floor with Manifest Destiny last two weeks, and played a number on Privateers the week before. What more do you people want? All we want is people willing to actually go toe-to-toe with us - and not run to stations swarming with neutral RR. Hell, Manifest Destiny ran away with a 25 man fleet against our 8 BS not more than a week ago. We told them where we were, waiting to throw down. They ran back 20-some jumps to their "home system". "Those who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream by night." -E.A. Poe
Ace Venturah	Posted - 2009.08.04 11:05:00 - [39] some noobs trying to flex. lol, laughable alli.
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.04 11:12:00 - [40] Well I stand corrected, carry on. ________________________________________________ Am I an alt, main, or both? You decide!

Larkonis Trassler	Posted - 2009.08.04 11:55:00 - [41] Originally by: Dakron Argile Haven't really seen much out of nullsec either, but I guss that might be 'cause we don't have half of EvE NAP'd and we don't POS bash. Lol.
rodensteiner Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.08.04 15:25:00 - [42] I'm sorry, who are you guys?
Seishi Maru The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.08.04 15:36:00 - [43] Sop you want people to play to make YOU happy not to make theemselves happoy? ... someone has a inferiority complex here...
Ms tradesalot	Posted - 2009.08.04 15:38:00 - [44] Wow, the e-peen in this thread is fantastic on BOTH sides.
Larkonis Trassler	Posted - 2009.08.04 17:04:00 - [45] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr 0.0 is fun but I've noticed if you don't have a NAP network (NEOs got it down )you are going to be severly outnumbered. Cool story bro. Originally by: Ferocious FeAr We like challenges, we just haven't had the time to explore 0.0 in its full capacity. We're working on it. You don't need time. Just take out some fast ships and go and troll Providence or somewhere. Derp.
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.08.04 18:17:00 - [46] Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 04/08/2009 18:19:24 Originally by: Seishi Maru Sop you want people to play to make YOU happy not to make theemselves happoy? ... someone has a inferiority complex here... So...wait you are telling me people are not happy when they get into fights? Isn't that the point of pvp? I'm a little concerned with that comment, this is why we don't see many small skirmish fights anymore. The underlying issue here is that when the opposing force scouts the enemy fleet, they already are thinking "let's bring falcons, neutral remote rep and more numbers" There is not one thought of actually fighting them with what they currently have. Why is it that hard to enjoy a game that is supposed to be so simple? As for the 0.0 fast roam comment. We've already done it several times, its fun, but like I said with bridge networks and our corp not being as large its not a good idea to stick around in one area for too long. You can still get stuck in a system with fast ships, I've flown under MC for over a year and I know firsthand that bringing fast ships is not always a get away free card (depends on the gang obviously). We will continue to delve into 0.0, its a work in progress. This thread wasn't about ego, it was genuinely created to announce our disgust with how EVE operates when it comes to pvp. We aren't talking about even fights, we fight outnumbered a good amount of the time. Actually just recently we have just provided ourselves with 2 new wardecs, we will see what they have to offer in terms of entertainment. So lark, I've noticed your rebuttals are not as stern as before, does you being a pretty little CSM have anything to do with it? At the very least, you know the issues that plague this game. I may not like you but I would hope you are doing something to improve the quality of pvp and not just wearing that CSM tag because you have a big mouth and you won it based on popularity and not based on respect of your community. __________________ Built like a Rokh
Xiao LoPan	Posted - 2009.08.04 19:10:00 - [47] one thing you aren't taking into account is why should your targets fight? why should they fight you, what do they have to gain by doing so, what do they have to lose by not doing so? Everyone doesn't play eve like it's space counterstrike with combat being an end, many people play with combat being a means.
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.08.04 19:20:00 - [48] Originally by: Xiao LoPan one thing you aren't taking into account is why should your targets fight? why should they fight you, what do they have to gain by doing so, what do they have to lose by not doing so? Everyone doesn't play eve like it's space counterstrike with combat being an end, many people play with combat being a means. Why should they fight you? To have fun. What do they have to gain by doing so? To have fun. Loot. What do they have to lose by not doing so? Reputation and respect. You are right not everyone plays eve like its space counterstrike. Nor do we. We play EVE-Online, you know where you actually undock and activate guns when there are targets of opportunity present, that is the difference between my corp and the average corp and individual that continues to make excuses rather then own up and admit they aren't playing EVE to have fun, its all about popularity (having good stats). __________________ Built like a Rokh
Commander Yassir Dirt Nap Squad	Posted - 2009.08.04 19:22:00 - [49] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 04/08/2009 18:19:24 Originally by: Seishi Maru Sop you want people to play to make YOU happy not to make theemselves happoy? ... someone has a inferiority complex here... So...wait you are telling me people are not happy when they get into fights? You yourselves claimed that you are excellent pvpers, and given who you have fought, or say you fought, I am too lazy to check, so I will trust your word, I believe this to be true. So, I am going to tell you that yes, most people who play EVE do not like getting in fights, that they don't think they can win. Thats why you aren't getting fights, because people don't think they can win. So, you have gotten so good its no fun. So, the only solution is to be worse...Good luck with that? ~ The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on.
Zorda Melch	Posted - 2009.08.04 20:57:00 - [50] so you lose in 0.0 but your hisec epeen is huge? way to go guys.

ISK Launderer	Posted - 2009.08.04 20:59:00 - [51] THE FINAL STAND IS A CODENAME FOR THE JITA 4-4 UNDOCK
Porcellon	Posted - 2009.08.04 21:07:00 - [52] You wouldnt be the first smallish alliance to go down into 0.0 space with no NAPs and no desire for POS bashing and still wreck havoc. On another note you should totally dec Star Fraction, those guys are sure to put up a fight.
Larkonis Trassler	Posted - 2009.08.04 21:29:00 - [53] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr So lark, I've noticed your rebuttals are not as stern as before, does you being a pretty little CSM have anything to do with it? At the very least, you know the issues that plague this game. I may not like you but I would hope you are doing something to improve the quality of pvp and not just wearing that CSM tag because you have a big mouth and you won it based on popularity and not based on respect of your community. My next ban is 6 months so I have to be a bit more careful with what I say. As for 'improving PVP', hopefully there will be changes to certain aspects... What you are complaining about is Human nature. Most people, especially the Empire Dwellers you thrive on killing are there because they don't like to lose, so they will do whatever they can to win. There are plenty of relatively unravaged lowsec areas off the beaten track, or you could give wormholes a try etc etc. Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
chatgris Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.04 21:33:00 - [54] Originally by: Dakron Argile All we want is people willing to actually go toe-to-toe with us - and not run to stations swarming with neutral RR. Hell, Manifest Destiny ran away with a 25 man fleet against our 8 BS not more than a week ago. We told them where we were, waiting to throw down. They ran back 20-some jumps to their "home system". If you aren't into POS bashing, but want to pvp, please join the caldari militia, and come out and fight. Caldari are hard to find out in lowsec nowadays ;(.
Dawts Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.04 21:57:00 - [55] This thread made me LOL a little. TFS "We want fights, we aren't scared of anything. Everyone in high sec are sissies, except us of course!" EVE "Dec the UNI" TFS "Um... we would, but the lag is so bad. Yea, thats right, lag." EVE "Uh, ok head to 0.0" TFS "Well, it's in the plans, but... uh.... lag? no, I already used that one... um, we don't have enough blues, blobs are bad, AND they create lag" EVE "Uh, ok I don't know what you're looking for then"
ISK Launderer	Posted - 2009.08.04 22:03:00 - [56] Originally by: Dawts This thread made me LOL a little. TFS "We want fights, we aren't scared of anything. Everyone in high sec are sissies, except us of course!" EVE "Dec the UNI" TFS "Um... we would, but the lag is so bad. Yea, thats right, lag." EVE "Uh, ok head to 0.0" TFS "Well, it's in the plans, but... uh.... lag? no, I already used that one... um, we don't have enough blues, blobs are bad, AND they create lag" EVE "Uh, ok I don't know what you're looking for then" INTERNET SPACESHIPS IS SIRIUS BIZNESS SIR! TFS IS PURE COMEDY
Bazuka	Posted - 2009.08.04 23:14:00 - [57] Thats what you get in a game with a severe death penalty. Even in games where DP doesn`t exist it`s the same thing,majority of the PVPers will only fight you if they are 90+% sure they`ll win. This creates zerg or be zerged type of PVP, small scale PVP is very rare and solo PVP non-existent. EVE is even worse because you can lose a month worth of progress/ISK in 1 minute fight. People that want a fair fight, or even accept to fight as a slight underdog are extreme minority in EVE. Get used to it. I`m carebaring 100% of my EVE time, for my PVP fix I play other games, in this game the PVP is laughable. ___________ CareMyBear!
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.08.05 00:15:00 - [58] Edited by: Omara Otawan on 05/08/2009 00:16:12 Originally by: Bazuka I`m carebaring 100% of my EVE time, for my PVP fix I play other games, in this game the PVP is laughable. I'm wondering, why do you even play EVE then? The carebearing part is nothing more than a hassle, the only thing it really has to offer is pvp (and its the best pvp game I've come across so far in terms of excitement factor).
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND The Final Stand.	Posted - 2009.08.05 02:20:00 - [59] We got our fight today. Finally a wardec that is worth our time, at least for now. __________________ Built like a Rokh
Jack Jombardo Amarr	Posted - 2009.08.05 03:00:00 - [60] Originally by: Dakron Argile See, that's the thing, we don't want to blow stuff up for one day and then them hide. We want our isk worth for the whole week. It seems like all we get these days is maybe half a day of fighting, and then they run scared 'cause they can't hang. So again, anyone who's got the stones to bring it, WarDec us. Try to wardec some other PvP corps and don't chose corps that mine/mission/produce/explore ;). Just take one of the many Amarr/Jita station camper corps and wardec them ;). Originally by: CCP Nozh Where do tech 3 ships fit in?The goal has always been to have them considerably cheap, around the price of tech 2 cruisers.



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