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BlazingBunny
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Posted - 2009.08.03 01:14:00 -
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This Thred is purely on what you people think the best pure PvP battleship is. Feel free to say which battleships you think is PvP juunk. Please do not just say a race.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.03 01:17:00 -
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theres only 12 battleships lol
Im fairly sure I can say the following with a good degree of certainty:
Abby Apoc Geddon Mega Domi Raven Hype Rokh Scorp Mael
Originally by: Akita T
 Seriously ?
 ...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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Jaina Proudmoar
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Posted - 2009.08.03 01:28:00 -
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In no particular order.
Armageddon. Abaddon. Apocalypse. Rokh. Raven. Scorpion. Dominix. Megathron. Typhoon.
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BlazingBunny
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Posted - 2009.08.03 01:32:00 -
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heh most of the people I know wouldn't but a Minmatar ship in the list I have little experiance in PvP so this is my list.
Apoc Nightmare Baddon Thron Hyperion Maelstrom Rokh Scorp Raven Phoon My list is proboly crap though.
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TRD 2371
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Posted - 2009.08.03 01:37:00 -
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nightmare velator isk dark ochre veldspar jove 125mm railgun II stabber this not
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TRD 2371
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Posted - 2009.08.03 01:38:00 -
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mmkay?
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TRD 2371
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Posted - 2009.08.03 01:41:00 -
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typhoon is easy with blue hats and yellowish kinda.
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.08.03 01:45:00 -
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Ok we have 12 battleships not countign the fail t2 ones and the pirate oens that are too expensive to be considered good.
So why not list the bad ones?
Tempest and Fleet issue tempest...
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BlazingBunny
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Posted - 2009.08.03 01:59:00 -
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So since I'm a Minmatar I'm basicly Screwed when it comes to PvP?
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arbiter reformed
Minmatar Annihilate. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 02:04:00 -
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any list without a phoon in it is rediculous, maelstrom is one of the best solo lwesec boats. so no youre not Signature graphics that may only contain your character name, corporation logo, corporation or personal slogan or other text that is directly related to your in-game persona, or content directly related to Eve Online. All content must be in good taste.Applebabe |

Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.08.03 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: BlazingBunny So since I'm a Minmatar I'm basicly Screwed when it comes to PvP?
No, minmatar have some very decent pvp ships. Its just the battleships that suck.
Phoon is debatable, but considering the insane amount of skill training needed to get it on par with other races BS it sucks as well.
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.08.03 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: arbiter reformed any list without a phoon in it is rediculous, maelstrom is one of the best solo lwesec boats. so no youre not
maelstrom has its uses but why you say solo low sec? All its characteristics scream GANG for me (slow and tackle compromises tank a lot).
Typhoon is awesome.. after you have 40 M sp ( I do on my minmatar char and I know how good it gets.. but takes soooo long).
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SuiJuris
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Posted - 2009.08.03 02:54:00 -
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There are twelve Basic battleships, Tempest just Sucks, Hype is outshined by a Mega for a Gank boat, So I would say Hype and Tempest are the least useful, Followed by the Mealstorm. --- It's like my mom always said... "I knew I should of drowned that one." |

Velin Shade
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Posted - 2009.08.03 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: SuiJuris Hype is outshined by a Mega for a Gank boat
Apparently, you haven't seen a shield gank Hype.
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TRD 2371
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Posted - 2009.08.03 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: SuiJuris There are twelve Basic battleships, Tempest just Sucks, Hype is outshined by a Mega for a Gank boat, So I would say Hype and Tempest are the least useful, Followed by the Mealstorm.
Evlis Presly comes from Mars.
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Lanais Suleia
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Posted - 2009.08.03 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: TRD 2371
Originally by: SuiJuris There are twelve Basic battleships, Tempest just Sucks, Hype is outshined by a Mega for a Gank boat, So I would say Hype and Tempest are the least useful, Followed by the Mealstorm.
Evlis Presly comes from Mars.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.08.03 04:43:00 -
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Of the twelve vanilla T1 battleships, I'd rank these two as junk.
Armageddon.
Needs Ogre II to get to the WTFOMG DPS levels, has only 3 mids and is stuck doing EM/Therm. Good at a gang DPS boat w/ an extra highslot, but the Torp Raven outshines it in every way (Outside of say, RR armor gangs, but again the Geddon is still lacking due to 3 mids)
Tempest.
While its passable in RR gangs and 1 vs 1 fights due to the spare slots it has, it doesn't quite compare in tank/gank to other ships. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |

Serj Reaper
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.03 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose Of the twelve vanilla T1 battleships, I'd rank these two as junk.
Armageddon.
Needs Ogre II to get to the WTFOMG DPS levels, has only 3 mids and is stuck doing EM/Therm. Good at a gang DPS boat w/ an extra highslot, but the Torp Raven outshines it in every way (Outside of say, RR armor gangs, but again the Geddon is still lacking due to 3 mids)
Tempest.
While its passable in RR gangs and 1 vs 1 fights due to the spare slots it has, it doesn't quite compare in tank/gank to other ships.
I'm sorry did you just say the geddon is junk? *head explodes*
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Zeerover
DeadSpace Exploration and Investigations
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Posted - 2009.08.03 05:20:00 -
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Another way would be to list each tier separately:
Dominix Armageddon Scorpion Typhoon
Megathron Apocalypse Raven Tempest
Abaddon Rokh Maelstrom Hyperion
Now listing it this way I'd say that the these 3 need fixing: Typhoon, Tempest and Hyperion, but others can probably do some better lists.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.03 05:21:00 -
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The following are excluded:
Megathron Hyperion Tempest Typhoon Maelstrom Vindicator Bhaalgorn Rattlesnake Navy Megathron Fleet Tempest
This leaves the following as acceptable choices for PvP (in no particular order):
Armageddon Apocalypse Abaddon Navy Apocalypse Raven Scorpion Rokh Navy Raven Dominix Nightmare Machariel
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Nikolay Tesla
Minmatar Nomadic Angels
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Posted - 2009.08.03 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose Of the twelve vanilla T1 battleships, I'd rank these two as junk.
Armageddon.
Needs Ogre II to get to the WTFOMG DPS levels, has only 3 mids and is stuck doing EM/Therm. Good at a gang DPS boat w/ an extra highslot, but the Torp Raven outshines it in every way (Outside of say, RR armor gangs, but again the Geddon is still lacking due to 3 mids)
Tempest.
While its passable in RR gangs and 1 vs 1 fights due to the spare slots it has, it doesn't quite compare in tank/gank to other ships.
But the gank geddon has 8 low slots for tank and gank, in lowsec it beats Raven 100-0... Raven in lowsec pvp is just something horrible when you take gategunfire and fire from enemy...
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.08.03 06:39:00 -
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For PvP at the moment, battleships are primarily being used as slower moving remote rep 'range projection' platforms.
That makes the Amarr battleships top of the heap, basically - they've got armour tanks and mid range weaponry.
Armageddon with it's utility high and fat drone bay is my personal favourite right now. Abaddon coming close behind, because 8 damage bonussed guns and armour resists are very nice indeed. (My only real objection is that removing a gun for an RR module seems dirty) Megathron - again, utility high, big drone bay, just a bit shorter range on it's primary weapon system Dominix - because drones and neuts (and a bit of RR) remains a potent combo. Typhoon - similarly, a good selection of midrange weaponry, and that big dronebay still.
... err. And the rest are much of a muchness. Amarr are, IMO clear leaders in the battleship lineup at the moment, but Gallente are as good as they've always been. Caldari and some of the Minmatar suffer, primarily I think because shield RR is just a terrible idea - that CPU cost on shield transporters is pretty horrific. Caldari ships do well enough in a 'ship with some firepower and tank' lineup still though - the blaster Rokh is a rather nice heavy firepower platform, the gank raven a fearsome beast (still) and the Scorp... well, is still the only EW BS.
So... out of the 12, the top 10 are 'not the tempest, not the maelstrom'. 'pest is sadly the 'middle child' of the BS lineup, and ... just not very good at very much. Maelstrom is ... ok, but is still an active shield tanker in a world where active tanks aren't so hot, and shield tanks aren't so hot either.
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Morgan La'Chance
Caldari Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics
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Posted - 2009.08.03 06:40:00 -
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More important is that the Geddon is cheap as chips.
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World Director
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Posted - 2009.08.03 08:31:00 -
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Typhoon for gangs, Apoc for any BS CTA-sized blob
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Darthewok
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.03 08:46:00 -
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Battleship PVP comes in many flavors and different BS are good for each type:
1. Sniper fleets: shooting really really long range - Apoc/Rokh (range bonuses) then Mega/Tempest 2. RR BS gangs: remote repairing/ spider tanking - Geddon/Domi/Mega/ caldari and minny not sure 3. Station games: undock gank stuff and redock before they gank you - Abaddon/ the rest not sure 4. Roaming with faster ships: usually fly something somewhat expendable for this - Geddon/Domi/Mega/Typhoon the rest not sure
Somefink like that
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Laou Tzu
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Posted - 2009.08.03 09:19:00 -
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wow @ the above rankings..
Maelstrom is the best battleship in game Second is split between raven/rokh
These ships with a capable pilot will **** any other battleship 1v1 except possibly a full neuting domi. Not counting faction bs
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.03 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Laou Tzu wow @ the above rankings..
Maelstrom is the best battleship in game Second is split between raven/rokh
These ships with a capable pilot will **** any other battleship 1v1 except possibly a full neuting domi. Not counting faction bs
Could you please point me to this mythical 1vs1 pvp on tq? All I seem to get are blobs chasing me or a hapless solo target getting ganked by my alts.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.08.03 10:33:00 -
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Here is a Top 5 from the perspective of a low sec pirate corp. Heavy slant towards short range armor tanking RR BS's because that is what does the damage for us.
N.1 Mega - n.1 BS killer on our board and an awesome brawler. N.2 Typhoon - SP intensive but when you get there it is worth it. N.3 Abaddon - great for starting fights N.4 Dominix - awesome support ship and great for nubs N.5 Navy Mega - pricey to fit right but incredibly nasty. Cost stops it rating higher.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.03 10:45:00 -
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Raven, NM, 3 T1 Amarr BS, Rokh, Domi, Scorp are among my best BS list. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.08.03 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Laou Tzu wow @ the above rankings..
Maelstrom is the best battleship in game Second is split between raven/rokh
These ships with a capable pilot will **** any other battleship 1v1 except possibly a full neuting domi. Not counting faction bs
maesltrom with full tackle has no chance against a typhoon...
Maeltrom with lasers is a bit better altough.
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Kash Ka
Amarr Cosmic Vacum Cleaners New Eden Commonwealth
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Posted - 2009.08.03 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Morgan La'Chance More important is that the Geddon is cheap as chips.
Not true, a fully T2 fit and trimarked geddon can cost about 150mil inclueding insurance. Now my list.
Geddon Mega Domi Phoon Raven Apoc Abaddon Hype Scorp Rokh
And thats in order of what i find useful in a low sec rr bs gang, im not one for 0.0 so i cant say much there. The reason why the geddon is the most useful is the range, theres nothing it cant shoot if someone is primaryed in low sec combat, scortch allows a geddon to have a 50km range and still dealing good dps. The mega soon behind, but the geddon wins over it due to range, and cost effectiveness, a mega isnt that much better with a similar fit. And a domi death squad is something to be feared. The phoon might be more skill intensive, but can reach rediculous amounts of dps and is quite a bit better than the geddon.
The raven is good because it can possibly armor tak for rr gangs, but can be a hole in the gang possibly, how ever it does have a few utility meds so no real complaints :). The apoc, now this has got range, but its too much, its good for 0.0 sure, but in low sec its no real use due to it having no real bonuses for the gang. The abaddon is more or less just a damage spunge but no fc with a right mind is gonna primary an abaddon, and its not much use for an rr gang either leaving it fairly useless in an rr gang. The hype, as has been mentioned is like an expensive mega but thats about it tbh. The scorp is alright for a rr bs gang, due to its ew, but a domi death squad thats been co-ordinated properly can do it better tbh. And finally the rokh,eh i dont really know anything about it except with blasters it has a decent range, but is a shield tanker.
I know this has been listed completely on whats most useful for rr bs gangs in low sec, but thats the only time a bs is any good, a few BS's with a bunch of other random stuff tends to get its ass handed to it by a gang of equal size with nothing but rr BS. Natrually. --------------==============================-------------- Forgiveness is between you and god, im just here to arrange the meeting.
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fmercury
Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.08.03 16:17:00 -
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What a stupid thread. What kind of 'pvp'? Sniping? Small gang? Solo? RR? Fleet? Jesus Christ.
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HydrAshtaroth
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Posted - 2009.08.03 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: fmercury
You're an idiot.
Sand in the vag today?
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.03 17:19:00 -
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Easier to tell you the ones that I think are the two worst: obviously the Tempest/Fl Tempest are hands down the worst. Next it comes to the Maelstrom or the Hype, and IMO the Maelstrom is just slightly worse than the Hype because it has a harder time fitting appropriate tackle for up close work, and handles too much like a tub to try to play fancy and keep range.
It's a close call though. Obviously, I'd consider the Hype #10 on the "Top 10".
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2009.08.03 18:09:00 -
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Woot the tempest whine spilled over from the boost tempest thread.
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fmercury
Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.08.03 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: HydrAshtaroth
Originally by: fmercury
You're an idiot.
Sand in the vag today?
Calling them like I see them.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.03 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Hiroshima Jita Woot the tempest whine spilled over from the boost tempest thread.
Nah, not whining - just stating facts.
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Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.03 18:17:00 -
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Like fmercury said, it's quite silly to sit around ranking BS according to "pvp" ability since it depends entirely on what you're doing.
It's even more silly to talk about 1v1 BS engagements. If all you do is get 1v1 engagements then you're doing something funky.
The bottom line, at least in my opinion, is that BS in PvP can work in one of two types of gangs. You can either go with remote repair or sniping. Your plated blaster Megathron might look really cool in EFT, but in the grand scheme of things it's just not that good. If you're doing a small gang then you're better off flying a HAC or similar fast ship rather than a BS. If you're in a medium or large gang then you should be remote repairing or sniping.
That being said, for a RR BS gang the armageddon, apocalypse, abaddon, dominix, megathron, raven, typhoon, and tempest are all decent options for their respective races, with Amarr and Gallente coming out ahead of Caldari and Minmatar.
For sniping the apoc, megathron, rokh, and tempest are probably your best bets, with the apoc being the best in the group and the tempest being the worst.
All that being said though, it's much more about piloting skill than ship, and a smart pilot will do better than a dumb one regardless of what they're flying.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:03:00 -
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phoon
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.08.03 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: fmercury
You're an idiot.
Give me a Geddon fit that is not outclassed by a Torp Raven in gang DPS situations (non RR). Go ahead. Try it.
Before you can blabber about not being able to tackle in Raven, tell me about the last time you had a MWD, Pt and web on your Geddon. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |

Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.08.03 20:58:00 -
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are we talking something thats just cost effective? and strictly 1 vs 1?
because in all honesty, if its 1 vs 1 or even 1 vs 2 or 3, and cost isnt a issue, mauraders make for ******ed killers so long as no ecm boat there, and there can be plenty of engagements there no ecm boat is around.
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.08.03 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hiroshima Jita Woot the tempest whine spilled over from the boost tempest thread.
What - are you really that ignorant? There is a reason so many of us dish that Tempest and thats because we have flown in PvP and while it "works" (kills stuff) it is mediocre to the core - in a way no other BS is. I have hundreds of kills in a Tempest yet I can't find a situation to use one any more because there is always something better for the job.
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Eli Porter
Amarr Altruism. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.08.03 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Eli Porter on 03/08/2009 21:06:08 Edited by: Eli Porter on 03/08/2009 21:01:10
Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: fmercury
You're an idiot.
Give me a Geddon fit that is not outclassed by a Torp Raven in gang DPS situations (non RR). Go ahead. Try it.
Before you can blabber about not being able to tackle in Raven, tell me about the last time you had a MWD, Pt and web on your Geddon.
Geddons are not meant for these situations. These situations(your opponent is pointed, webbed, has a high sig radius, and is in your range) are rarer than you'd think. If that's your definition of PvP then something is wrong with you. A Geddon can get similar DPS and Tank without relying on the opponents sig radius, speed, and distance nearly as much, but it comes at the price of being stuck to a damage type.
Here are a couple Gank fits for comparison:
[Armageddon, Fleet Standard Gank Geddon] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L [empty high slot]
Energy Collision Accelerator I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Ogre II x5
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[Raven, Gang Gank Raven] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
Yes I used T2 missiles and Conflag, since we're talking about a hypothetical situation where the opponent is big and stationary and just needs pure DPS.
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Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.03 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: fmercury
You're an idiot.
Give me a Geddon fit that is not outclassed by a Torp Raven in gang DPS situations (non RR). Go ahead. Try it.
Before you can blabber about not being able to tackle in Raven, tell me about the last time you had a MWD, Pt and web on your Geddon.
Have you actually flown both? Torp Ravens are nice in some situations(namely shooting tackled BS) but are not nearly as versatile as Armageddons.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.08.03 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Christina Bamar
Have you actually flown both? Torp Ravens are nice in some situations(namely shooting tackled BS) but are not nearly as versatile as Armageddons.
I have flown both a fair bit.
The Geddon is practically crippled due to three mid slots. Combine that with the fact Pulse really doesn't track all that well, and its impossible to keep a range advantage and Ogre IIs are VERY slow makes for a pretty meh ship in general. Realistically you can only apply that EFT WTFOMG DPS to well tackled targets.
Oh wait.. what ship does well with well tackled targets?
Originally by: Eli Porter
These situations(your opponent is pointed, webbed, has a high sig radius, and is in your range) are rarer than you'd think.
A Raven's torps go out to 30km and Jav Torps go out to 45km, meaning they do pretty well compared to Laser and Autocannons.
The more webbed and target painted a target is, the better both guns and missile hit it, so its not a far fetched demand to have a target painter or two in your gang. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |

Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.03 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Christina Bamar on 03/08/2009 22:02:05
Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: Christina Bamar
Have you actually flown both? Torp Ravens are nice in some situations(namely shooting tackled BS) but are not nearly as versatile as Armageddons.
I have flown both a fair bit.
The Geddon is practically crippled due to three mid slots. Combine that with the fact Pulse really doesn't track all that well, and its impossible to keep a range advantage and Ogre IIs are VERY slow makes for a pretty meh ship in general. Realistically you can only apply that EFT WTFOMG DPS to well tackled targets.
Oh wait.. what ship does well with well tackled targets?
Why would you use Ogres on a Geddon? Berserkers are a far better option. Similarly, unless you're armor tanking your Raven (in which case you'll have sub-par dps), having 3 mids is more free mids than a torp Raven will be able to use for non-tank (and if you do have 3+ free mids then you'll have a very soft tank).
The tracking on pulses isn't particularly bad, especially when you fly intelligently to minimize your transversal. A Raven on the other hand relies entirely on a target being very well tackled. Toss in the fact that a Raven needs multiple target painters to do decent damage on smaller targets while a Geddon can pretty much insta-pop cruisers once they get webbed, and honestly I'm not seeing where you're coming from here. Basically if the target is slow and large enough for a torp raven do do decent damage, then the geddon will be able to hit. On the other hand though, a geddon can hit targets that a raven won't be able to do decent damage on (targets MWDing away for example).
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