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Selinate
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Posted - 2012.05.26 13:38:00 -
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How many people have jumped on a gate, seen maybe one other person on local and nowhere in site, attempts to warp, suddenly bubbled and suddenly 5 people log on into system and come on grid immediately?
This should be considered cheating. Something should be done to fix this. Please do. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
702
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Posted - 2012.05.26 13:40:00 -
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"This should be considered cheating"...by whom, exactly? |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
702
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Posted - 2012.05.26 13:41:00 -
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I consider it logging on at a very opportune moment, not cheating. |
Selinate
896
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Posted - 2012.05.26 13:41:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:"This should be considered cheating"...by whom, exactly?
CCP. |
Selinate
896
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Posted - 2012.05.26 13:42:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:I consider it logging on at a very opportune moment, not cheating.
Logging off when being attacked is an equally opportune moment to log off and save your ship, even though that is considered cheating. Your logic is flawed. |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
295
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Posted - 2012.05.26 13:46:00 -
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I once heard log in trap was against the rules and could be petitioned... but perhaps the people who ruled that back then have been fired since then |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
365
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Posted - 2012.05.26 13:50:00 -
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So now it's against the rules to LOG onto Eve? HAHAHAHAHHA o dear o dear o dear.
I actually think it isn't the goons that want to destroy eve, it is the carebears that ARE destroying EVE. |
Selinate
896
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Posted - 2012.05.26 13:53:00 -
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Miilla wrote:So now it's against the rules to LOG off of Eve? HAHAHAHAHHA o dear o dear o dear.
I actually think it isn't the goons that want to destroy eve, it is the carebears that ARE destroying EVE.
See how it works both ways? I know you're just trolling, but I might as well just shoot your argument down quickly. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
714
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Posted - 2012.05.26 14:26:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:I consider it logging on at a very opportune moment, not cheating. Logging off when being attacked is an equally opportune moment to log off and save your ship, even though that is considered cheating. Your logic is flawed.
Is logging off in the middle of battle really cheating? I don't know about you, but EVE really struggles with my dial-up connection (yes really) when any sort of battle or grouping of players comes onto grid. Very occasionally, the connection is dropped. Am I cheating? |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
714
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Posted - 2012.05.26 14:27:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:"This should be considered cheating"...by whom, exactly? CCP.
Why on earth would they, when you know perfectly well there's no way to determine when people are logging on/off for legitimate and 'other' reasons? |
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Selinate
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Posted - 2012.05.26 14:29:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:Selinate wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:I consider it logging on at a very opportune moment, not cheating. Logging off when being attacked is an equally opportune moment to log off and save your ship, even though that is considered cheating. Your logic is flawed. Is logging off in the middle of battle really cheating? I don't know about you, but EVE really struggles with my dial-up connection (yes really) when any sort of battle or grouping of players comes onto grid. Very occasionally, the connection is dropped. Am I cheating?
According to CCP's fix, yes you are. |
Selinate
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Posted - 2012.05.26 14:29:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:Selinate wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:"This should be considered cheating"...by whom, exactly? CCP. Why on earth would they, when you know perfectly well there's no way to determine when people are logging on/off for legitimate and 'other' reasons?
Not that hard. Suddenly 5 people log into system on a gate and get a kill and then log back off, repeat. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
202
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Posted - 2012.05.26 14:33:00 -
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Bubanni wrote:I once heard log in trap was against the rules and could be petitioned... but perhaps the people who ruled that back then have been fired since then
It was classed as an exploit WAY WAY back.
As is the case with a lot of stuff which eats up GM time (and hence costs CCP money) it isn't now.
Could be fixed easy enough if they wanted by having a logon session timer of a couple of minutes which prevents aggression before you're aggressed if you log in space.
I'm surprised anyone cares about the issue now TBH. Far more likely you're going to get dropped than a logon trap - which you at least get the ewarp time to react to.
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Andemnon Kohort
Protagonists Of Doom
27
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Posted - 2012.05.26 14:54:00 -
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i can't think how this can be considered an exploit, its a tactic thats used by just about everyone in Null sec at some point or other, either offensively or defensively.. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
762
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:14:00 -
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Selinate wrote:How many people have jumped on a gate, seen maybe one other person on local and nowhere in site, attempts to warp, suddenly bubbled and suddenly 5 people log on into system and come on grid immediately?
This should be considered cheating. Something should be done to fix this. Please do.
Logoffski was not cheating nor an exploit. It happened because the game mechanics allowed it to happen. CCP changed that because they didn't think a supercap would survive more than 15 minutes being attacked. It was a design flaw.
Logging ON to catch you unaware, however, is not an exploit, cheating OR design flaw. It is a way to counter those who think "Local Chat" is supposed to be an intel tool.
CCP designed the Local Chat for people on local to .... chat ... locally....
You should know better than to presume things and then act as if the opinion you create based on those presumptions were supposed to hold any sort of value. Check your information and then you're allowed to criticize something.
The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
722
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:18:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:Selinate wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:I consider it logging on at a very opportune moment, not cheating. Logging off when being attacked is an equally opportune moment to log off and save your ship, even though that is considered cheating. Your logic is flawed. Is logging off in the middle of battle really cheating? I don't know about you, but EVE really struggles with my dial-up connection (yes really) when any sort of battle or grouping of players comes onto grid. Very occasionally, the connection is dropped. Am I cheating? According to CCP's fix, yes you are.
Where does it say that is so (I am genuinely interested)? |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
243
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:18:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:[quote=Selinate]
Logging ON to catch you unaware, however, is not an exploit, cheating OR design flaw. It is a way to counter those who think "Local Chat" is supposed to be an intel tool.
However it is also abused in wspace because the proper intel tools(probes, dscan and scouts) are used. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
762
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:25:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:[quote=Selinate]
Logging ON to catch you unaware, however, is not an exploit, cheating OR design flaw. It is a way to counter those who think "Local Chat" is supposed to be an intel tool.
However it is also abused in wspace because the proper intel tools(probes, dscan and scouts) are used.
I could also say that you're the one abusing the probes, the dscan and your scouts (the poor things).
The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Selinate
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:46:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Selinate wrote:How many people have jumped on a gate, seen maybe one other person on local and nowhere in site, attempts to warp, suddenly bubbled and suddenly 5 people log on into system and come on grid immediately?
This should be considered cheating. Something should be done to fix this. Please do. Logoffski was not cheating nor an exploit. It happened because the game mechanics allowed it to happen. CCP changed that because they didn't think a supercap would survive more than 15 minutes being attacked. It was a design flaw. Logging ON to catch you unaware, however, is not an exploit, cheating OR design flaw. It is a way to counter those who think "Local Chat" is supposed to be an intel tool. CCP designed the Local Chat for people on local to .... chat ... locally.... You should know better than to presume things and then act as if the opinion you create based on those presumptions were supposed to hold any sort of value. Check your information and then you're allowed to criticize something.
I am not presuming anything, this mechanic was changed for ALL ships, not just cap ships, ergo my point still stands. If local chat needs changing also, then that is an entirely different point all together, cov ops cloaks should be used for this, not logging on or off. This also bypasses the watchlist intel tool that can be used to check for this.
It's poor design, it should be fixed. |
Selinate
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Posted - 2012.05.26 15:46:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:Selinate wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:Selinate wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:I consider it logging on at a very opportune moment, not cheating. Logging off when being attacked is an equally opportune moment to log off and save your ship, even though that is considered cheating. Your logic is flawed. Is logging off in the middle of battle really cheating? I don't know about you, but EVE really struggles with my dial-up connection (yes really) when any sort of battle or grouping of players comes onto grid. Very occasionally, the connection is dropped. Am I cheating? According to CCP's fix, yes you are. Where does it say that is so (I am genuinely interested)?
According to CCP's fix. What part of that was hard to read? |
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Emizeko Chai
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears
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Posted - 2012.05.26 16:53:00 -
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Selinate wrote:
According to CCP's fix. What part of that was hard to read?
It wasn't hard to read, but it was hard to make any sense out of. You're not explaining how you reach that conclusion; you're also misinformed about the policy around this issue.
He's asking you where it says that because you're wrong about the policy, and therefore he knows you can't point to anything that backs up your statements.
Listen, rather than razz you about how wildly misinformed you are I'll just lay it out for you: reconnection and disconnection are never exploits. The realities of networked communication admit no other workable line to be drawn.
Complaining about this is like complaining about rain -- you can either walk around soaked and miserable, or you can get an umbrella. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
903
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Posted - 2012.05.26 17:04:00 -
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Heh heh, the log on trap.
It's pretty great, the patience of some of these people who wait for say 30mins before logging in and catching someone unawares.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
762
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Posted - 2012.05.26 17:22:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:You should know better than to presume things and then act as if the opinion you create based on those presumptions were supposed to hold any sort of value. Check your information and then you're allowed to criticize something. I am not presuming anything[...]
Yes you are:
Selinate wrote:Logging off when being attacked is an equally opportune moment to log off and save your ship, even though that is considered cheating
Selinate wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:Is logging off in the middle of battle really cheating? I don't know about you, but EVE really struggles with my dial-up connection (yes really) when any sort of battle or grouping of players comes onto grid. Very occasionally, the connection is dropped. Am I cheating? According to CCP's fix, yes you are.
You say that CCP considered the logoffsky cheating, when they did not. I do not need to prove that someone didn't do a thing. You are the one that need to bring proof of your claim.
So again, logoffsky was not cheating and logging on to trap people is also not considered cheating. If you want to claim that those things are cheating by CCP, you need proof.
HTFU
The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
348
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Posted - 2012.05.26 18:03:00 -
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So people wan't to make logging on illegal now. Interesting...
James seems to have a point, carebears actually do want EVE to become BOTS Online. |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
Luna Sanguinem
97
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Posted - 2012.05.26 18:27:00 -
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I was browsing for good threads & accidentally clicked on this one. |
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.26 19:10:00 -
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What has been "fixed" about the logoffski thing? Is the OP talking about the PvP log off timer refreshing? You still can't prevent a guy from logging off if he had initiated the log off before any aggressive action was made (and you can't find, or don't have enough fire power to kill him within 1 minute), am I right? |
Malak Dawnfire
27th Gallentean Fleet
90
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Posted - 2012.05.26 19:24:00 -
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People shouldn't be allowed to log in or off the game, why would anybody argue against this logic? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2012.05.26 20:24:00 -
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Selinate wrote:How many people have jumped on a gate, seen maybe one other person on local and nowhere in site, attempts to warp, suddenly bubbled and suddenly 5 people log on into system and come on grid immediately?
This should be considered cheating. Something should be done to fix this. Please do.
Somebody fell asleep in a tanning booth.
Anyway, we have seen gate camper tears from logoffski, we will see more tears over this.
Might as well sit back and watch this argument go on for a few years. |
Llywelyn Emrys
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.26 20:27:00 -
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Get rid of local, problem solved? |
Lady Aja
54
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Posted - 2012.05.26 21:00:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:So people wan't to make logging on illegal now. Interesting...
James seems to have a point, carebears actually do want EVE to become BOTS Online.
*meanwhile on comms*
"log in and get into fleet. we need numbers"
"but i cant. ccp has made loging in illegal and cheating if you go into combat"
"derp"
where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!! |
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