Not empty quoting.

Have market bots escaped everyone's notice, or is the math too difficult?

Log on wax off, confirming the same 25 character pictures are still posting in every thread for years log on scroll down, laugh my ass off log off... nothing more to see. You people should be getting tired of each other by now!

Every war we have seen in history boils down to resources: either the protection of them, or the taking of them, or in many cases, the projected need for them and the politics, of which war is "by other means" and the resistance to it thereof.

Unlimited resources are what makes this game miss the mark over what everybody says it's supposed to be about. If missions and roids in high sec were limited, people would fight over it and there would be actual real war declarations aimed at securing resources instead of the usual 10 high SP greifers versus 3 miners BS that gives war decs a bad reputation. If tech moons can be mined flat or to such extent that it would have be left alone for a year to replenish , we would not be seeing a deserted 0.0 space ringed by gate blobs manned by renters and slaves. No these leet players who say this is all about PVP would actually be engaging in PVP with each other instead of trying to claim that gate camping is PVP.

EVE is a game. It requires players to function. When a certain player demographic does all in their power to drive another player demographic out of the game, a responsible developer has a choice to make - allow it, or take steps to limit the damage. Both are legitimate, in their own way.

If they allow this behaviour and even encourage it, they run a very real risk of losing part of the player base. This is never a good thing, but the problem is further exacerbated by the fact that once these players are gone, the players that drove them out of the game might get bored and quit themselves. Which is what is sometimes referred to a "double whammy".

As it applies to EVE, if griefers and suicide gankers drive enough miners away from the game, they may run out of targets. And they sure as hell won't fight eachother because they lack testicular fortitude to fight someone who can and will actually fight back. Once that happens, they'll quit out of boredom. And the game dies. Well, not really dies, that's too dramatic. But a population drop can lead to a loss of player critical mass that will affect all other facets of the game.

The second option, do something about it? Limit how easy it is to gank someone? Might be a better way to address the problem. Griefers determined enough will still do it, but it'll curb the casual griefing, and give some miners a fighting chance.

Personally I'm not advocating either approach - I'm neither a miner nor a griefer. I have no stake at this, no matter which way it goes. But I will tell you that allowing part of the player base to drive away another part of the player base, in a sandbox game, that first and foremost claims to offer a wide variety of viable gameplay choices is not a good idea.

Yep. I'm looking forward to Goon tears when the consequences of pissing in their own sandbox start piling up.

This is what I mean.

People will harp on "this is EvE! HTFU" and "Go back to WoW" but this is a game that is PVP oriented over resources - resources that NEVER RUN OUT.


How many of those leet 0.0 dwellers would cry their eyes out if it became possible to mine a tech moon until it was depleted?

Would we be seeing such a NAPfest?

How populated would high sec be if it were possible to mine every roid out of a system? How about the pirate factions getting a clue and realizing they have to move out of a high sec system when everybody and their brother are taking missions to kill them? The "mission faucet" running out, and missioners having to find work elsewhere.


Every war we have seen in history boils down to resources: either the protection of them, or the taking of them, or in many cases, the projected need for them and the politics, of which war is "by other means" and the resistance to it thereof.

Unlimited resources are what makes this game miss the mark over what everybody says it's supposed to be about. If missions and roids in high sec were limited, people would fight over it and there would be actual real war declarations aimed at securing resources instead of the usual 10 high SP greifers versus 3 miners BS that gives war decs a bad reputation. If tech moons can be mined flat or to such extent that it would have be left alone for a year to replenish , we would not be seeing a deserted 0.0 space ringed by gate blobs manned by renters and slaves. No these leet players who say this is all about PVP would actually be engaging in PVP with each other instead of trying to claim that gate camping is PVP.

CCP should demonstrate some Roden-sized bawls (read "Templar One" for an idea of how huge Roden's cajones are) here they would make resources, missions, roids, moons, gas, etc, limited and this game would become everything that everybody who ever padded their KB with a rookie ship says it should be.

EVE is a game. It requires players to function. When a certain player demographic does all in their power to drive another player demographic out of the game, a responsible developer has a choice to make - allow it, or take steps to limit the damage. Both are legitimate, in their own way.

If they allow this behaviour and even encourage it, they run a very real risk of losing part of the player base. This is never a good thing, but the problem is further exacerbated by the fact that once these players are gone, the players that drove them out of the game might get bored and quit themselves. Which is what is sometimes referred to a "double whammy".

As it applies to EVE, if griefers and suicide gankers drive enough miners away from the game, they may run out of targets. And they sure as hell won't fight eachother because they lack testicular fortitude to fight someone who can and will actually fight back. Once that happens, they'll quit out of boredom. And the game dies. Well, not really dies, that's too dramatic. But a population drop can lead to a loss of player critical mass that will affect all other facets of the game.

But then somehow this idea came along that EVE is for PVP only and that anything that doesn't involes the risk of losing your ship doesn't belong here and people started to advocate the purging of all miners , all under the bannier of fighting bots
and so this continues till today , just blatant griefing for the lulz without any thoughts on the long term consequince this will have to CCP s income and further development of the game . Just have a look at the graphics on players online between now and last year

So I heard u mad bro.

After many months of hesitation, that was the singular thing that pushed me to unsub. And I never even lost a ship during 3 H'geddons.

We're still waiting for that to happen, by the way. Any day now.

Just out of curiousity, how would you go about doing that?

The Techholders have banded together half of nullsec to protect their moons.
They play risk free PVP due to the fact that no matter what they lose, it can be replaced instantly. They can put every capable pilot in a cap or supercap without even cutting into their isk flow.

So, how would you combat that...sell tons of plex and use real money? Mine? Rat? Do nerfed Incursions?

With your infinite wisdom, I'm sure you'll come up with something.....

Oh, and Tech brings in so much ISK, that it's unlimited....so how does that work into your theory of "Limited resources"?

Makes me wonder what will happen when CCP changes the moon mining mechanics.
Bankruptcy, and if so maybe CCP is holding off on changing the moon mining mechanics knowing that if they did it could collapse several 0.0 Alliances.

Eve has a story line?

Why would CCP care about whether an alliance went bankrupt? Conflict over resources drives the game forward and the loss of a few large entities only makes space for new ones.

They shouldn't but what if they do in the name of keeping the economy stable ?
Like a bank in the RL does CCP consider certain Alliances to important (because they control to much of the economy) to allow them to fail.
And if so, is that a flaw in the design of EVE ?

Just out of curiousity, how would you go about doing that?

The Techholders have banded together half of nullsec to protect their moons.
They play risk free PVP due to the fact that no matter what they lose, it can be replaced instantly. They can put every capable pilot in a cap or supercap without even cutting into their isk flow.

So, how would you combat that...sell tons of plex and use real money? Mine? Rat? Do nerfed Incursions?

With your infinite wisdom, I'm sure you'll come up with something.....

Oh, and Tech brings in so much ISK, that it's unlimited....so how does that work into your theory of "Limited resources"?

So... given the back story for Eve online, why are people crying about "FIGHTING OVER AVAILABLE SCARCE AND LIMITED RESOURCES"?

I don't get it... isn't this what Eve is about? Why on earth would you whine and cry about people fighting over scarce resources (ORE for example) by killing those mining it (just one example). This is what the game you purchased is about, did you not read the product description?