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Ryhss Caldari The Last Legion	Posted - 2009.08.05 18:49:00 - [31] Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama Originally by: Gynren Theres no other mmo that I know that takes so long to train this is a competitive market thats growing immensely and eve could get left behind. All mmo's need new players to survive like it or not, the ones that play for years are a minority and would not keep the game going. I love the game just think theres a few things that need amending. PVE needs more content etc theres a huge amount of people in empire. I want to see eve around for a long time yet to come i've been playing mmo's since dark age of camelot which started as a grind fest. Friends who have done the same tried eve and gave up after a week on the trial, i'm trying to convince them that its got huge potential and try again (using the buddy system ofc) just think that the system needs to change to survive. Left behind? You realise this is the fastest growing MMO on the market, only recently taking second place after WoW right? Whats with all the armchair business consultants around here? WoW sucks donky butt. I had tyo log off every day around 3pm EST because every server fills up with 10yo olds home from school who just use thier lvl 70's to camp flight points and gank my lvl 10's.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2009.08.05 18:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Gynren I should have known better than to try and have an intelligent point of view on here seems to be full of trolls itching to flame who they can says it all really. there were PLENTY of intelligent points of view on here - unfortunately, yours wasn't one of them. \|+ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ +\|
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.08.05 18:59:00 - [33] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 05/08/2009 18:59:22 Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Malcanis If I take a friend out to dinner, I dont see why the resteraunt should charge me extra for the food she eats. Because even eating at the restaurant is PVP Malcanis! You ever fought over the last piece bread? I Don't care if it's free, I'm not waiting for the waiter to bring more! THIS IS MOTHER @$#%ING WAR! You owe me a new keyboard. Tea everywhere.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.05 19:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Malcanis If I take a friend out to dinner, I dont see why the resteraunt should charge me extra for the food she eats. Because even eating at the restaurant is PVP Malcanis! You ever fought over the last piece bread? I Don't care if it's free, I'm not waiting for the waiter to bring more! THIS IS MOTHER @$#%ING WAR! So... wanna go out Friday?
stoicfaux	Posted - 2009.08.05 20:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Jint Hikaru Try searching for the hundreds of other threads on this subject.... Oh, and please name one other MMO where you can progress/xp on 2 different charachters at the same time. World of Hackmaster Online. Your protege gains xp from your main/mentor as per the pen'n'paper rules. OTOH, WoH has potential perma-death (you can get raised, but you have to make a system shock check or die permanently) so having a backup for your main is critical.
Piginawig	Posted - 2009.08.05 22:06:00 - [36] You are all **ing **s. All you guys are saying is no other MMO allows you to train more than one character on the same account so why should Eve. That is the biggest load of bull I have ever heard. For s sake, all I normally hear people say is that Eve is different from every other MMO on the market. Now all you are saying is that it should be like WoW. You are all **ing morons.
Lord Haur Amarr StarHunt	Posted - 2009.08.05 22:25:00 - [37] Nice attempt at trying to revive the troll with emorage. +1 troll point
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.08.05 23:39:00 - [38] WTB less of these threads. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
Kewso	Posted - 2009.08.06 00:04:00 - [39] I would love to see them perhaps offer 2nd char training for a fee. perhaps for an extra $9.99/mo your 2nd character slot can train the same time as your main char. then for the 3rd slot charge another $9.99/mo :) course whatever price is good, just used as example. I'd love that ability rather than having seperate accounts, etc.
Reandom Traas	Posted - 2009.08.06 00:59:00 - [40] All right, here is the long explanation of the ôwhy cant I train all three charactersö and ôwhy training take so damn longö questions that people just wont stop asking. Simply stating that other MMOÆs only let you train one at a time is only a small part of the issue. That just points out that CCP is not taking away something that other MMOÆs provide. It is not the reason. When you are creating an MMO, you are looking for ways to provide (perhaps even force) interaction between players (hence the ômultiplayerö in MMO). Otherwise you just have a big single player game with a monthly fee. You need other players with skills you do not have to achieve goals in the game. One of the biggest ways of doing this is by making people chose a class (or whatever you call it) at character creation. The skills, abilities, forces, perks, etc are limited forever more with that character by your choice at creation. EVE does not have this. Any character can learn any skill (eventually). The way EVE forces you to specialize is with the painfully long training times to really master a skill. It is impossible for any character to truly master every aspect of the game. There are characters with about 130 million skill points and have almost nothing in combat related skills. I have over 50 million, with zilch in mining, research or manufacturing. When I need a new ship, I buy from a player who has specialized in manufacturing. That player has likely bought minerals from someone who is a mining god (cough, Chribba). This also helps new players. If a new player specializes in something that a corp needs (maybe ewar frigate), then they can fairly quickly be a useful member. If you could train alts, then many players would train an eway specialist alt, and the corp would have no need of the new player. If you reduced training times or enabled training on all three characters on an account, this would go away. We would all have an alt that is a master miner, master manufacturer, or whatever skill set we needed. This would radically (and not for the good) change the game. Remember, while it would be cool if only you had some ability, everyone will have it, and the game will drastically change. The ever present reply of ôCCP are just greedy *****s who want us to pay for multiple accountsö, that is truly disingenuous. There is no real need to have a second account so you can train an alt. If you CHOOSE to have a second account, fine. If you then CHOOSE to pay RL money for that account, fine. With 2-4 afternoons of level four mission running you can easily pay for that second account with ISK. How many MMOÆs let you pay for your accounts with in game money?

Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.06 01:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 05/08/2009 18:59:22 Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Malcanis If I take a friend out to dinner, I dont see why the resteraunt should charge me extra for the food she eats. Because even eating at the restaurant is PVP Malcanis! You ever fought over the last piece bread? I Don't care if it's free, I'm not waiting for the waiter to bring more! THIS IS MOTHER @$#%ING WAR! You owe me a new keyboard. Tea everywhere. Quote: So... wanna go out Friday? Can I pick the place? ________________________________________________ Am I an alt, main, or both? You decide!
Pnandor	Posted - 2009.08.06 01:06:00 - [42] If I will be honest I want all my 3 accounts to be amiable to train but CCP will not do it possible so forget it!
Gynren	Posted - 2009.08.06 07:13:00 - [43] Well some interesting views posted in between the crap. Eve maybe the fastest growing mmo now but it has been around for a while so i should hope it would hold some ground. I do know that theres alot of people leaving a certain famous mmo but it won't be long before another game comes out and theres some pretty big players out there that want some of the cake if not all. Yes eve is quite unique and thats one of the things i love about it, i played elite on my rubber keyed speccy for years, i see eve as the grown up version of elite. I understand people being defensive to eve i was just airing a view that seems like many others already have. Yes i can train more than one character on a single account but i plan training for 12 months and didnt really want to stop for 3-4 months on an alt. Most mmo's have a level cap eve has endless skill points thats a big difference when it comes to alts.To get my industry alts to the place i want them take 6-8 months which would mean i dont get to pvp for a while, i know that i could be in pvp in less time like 2-3 months but i need to raise isk for training and ships and items for both so pvp will have to wait.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.08.06 07:17:00 - [44] Originally by: Piginawig You are all **ing **s. All you guys are saying is no other MMO allows you to train more than one character on the same account so why should Eve. That is the biggest load of bull I have ever heard. For s sake, all I normally hear people say is that Eve is different from every other MMO on the market. Now all you are saying is that it should be like WoW. You are all *ing morons. Hey! Around here we call it hypocrisy and we're rather proud of it! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.*
Gynren	Posted - 2009.08.06 07:23:00 - [45] You need to chill and maybe learn about more about business and marketing before making crap blanket statements
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.08.06 07:34:00 - [46] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 06/08/2009 07:34:47 Originally by: Gynren You need to chill and maybe learn about more about business and marketing before making crap blanket statements Oh like...hmm...working in a game company? No wait, i mis-spoke, i've worked in three How about you go back in your hole and come back with something a bit more constructive. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Gynren	Posted - 2009.08.06 07:36:00 - [47] Heres what i see the future of mmo's and its starting to happen already. 1. mmo's will be free to play 2. mmo's will be free to download 3. special items can be purchased from the game company 4. premium paying accounts get access to premium areas This gives access to a huge market if people like the game they will stay and pay. Gold sellers are the bane of most mmo's this practically eliminates them.At the moment eve does cost more than any mmo ive seen.
Gynren	Posted - 2009.08.06 07:40:00 - [48] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 06/08/2009 07:34:47 Originally by: Gynren You need to chill and maybe learn about more about business and marketing before making crap blanket statements Oh like...hmm...working in a game company? No wait, i mis-spoke, i've worked in three How about you go back in your hole and come back with something a bit more constructive. That makes u a geek emplyee not a businessman you worked for the them the ones with the bussiness heads where the people who owned and ran the company
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.06 07:46:00 - [49] Originally by: Gynren Heres what i see the future of mmo's and its starting to happen already. 1. mmo's will be free to play 2. mmo's will be free to download 3. special items can be purchased from the game company 4. premium paying accounts get access to premium areas This gives access to a huge market if people like the game they will stay and pay. Gold sellers are the bane of most mmo's this practically eliminates them.At the moment eve does cost more than any mmo ive seen. Browser based MMO's don't count. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.08.06 07:46:00 - [50] Originally by: Gynren Heres what i see the future of mmo's and its starting to happen already. 1. mmo's will be free to play 2. mmo's will be free to download 3. special items can be purchased from the game company 4. premium paying accounts get access to premium areas This gives access to a huge market if people like the game they will stay and pay. Gold sellers are the bane of most mmo's this practically eliminates them.At the moment eve does cost more than any mmo ive seen. And ultimately these don't work. They are, just like now, ways to make money as everyone who wants to succeed in these "just buy little stuff" needs to pay more then an average monthly cost. Silly idea, works if you get people hooked, bad for players. Originally by: Gynren That makes u a geek emplyee not a businessman you worked for the them the ones with the bussiness heads where the people who owned and ran the company Even if that was remotely true, i'd still have mroe experience in it then you. So how about you counter what i said to you with an argument, not with "you don't know! Wah!" My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.

Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.06 07:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Gynren Heres what i see the future of mmo's and its starting to happen already. 1. mmo's will be free to play 2. mmo's will be free to download 3. special items can be purchased from the game company 4. premium paying accounts get access to premium areas This gives access to a huge market if people like the game they will stay and pay. Gold sellers are the bane of most mmo's this practically eliminates them.At the moment eve does cost more than any mmo ive seen. Well I have the PERFECT game for you! ________________________________________________ Am I an alt, main, or both? You decide!
Gynren	Posted - 2009.08.06 07:49:00 - [52] Now your showing how immature you are come back with something descent.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.08.06 07:51:00 - [53] Originally by: Gynren Now your showing how immature you are come back with something descent. If you mean me; i'll come up with more if you come up with anything. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.06 07:59:00 - [54] Originally by: Gynren Now your showing how immature you are come back with something descent. Ok, name one successful MMO in your eyes. ________________________________________________ Am I an alt, main, or both? You decide!
Gynren	Posted - 2009.08.06 08:16:00 - [55] Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest Originally by: Gynren Now your showing how immature you are come back with something descent. Ok, name one successful MMO in your eyes. Dark age of Camelot which i love and think that its rvr is still the best pvp ive seen in an mmo and it still has a good following. Wow of course is the daddy 12 million subscribers is nothing to be sniffed at. And yes these are all pay to play im just seeing a trend in mmo's free to play im not saying its going to work as its still very new but its quite possible that it will work as its a huge risk for companies to make and more of them are going that way. Blizzard are not gonna be sat there without developing anything else they will be putting loads into keeping themselves at the top for the future. But hey its business huge risks huge gains.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.08.06 08:22:00 - [56] Originally by: Gynren Dark age of Camelo(cut for space)t gonna be sat there without developing anything else they will be putting loads into keeping themselves at the top for the future. But hey its business huge risks huge gains. So you're saying "this game is fine and this game is fine with just one character gaining skills", but then turn the tables around and say that EVE needs to have more? Why? What is the reason? If with others it's fine, why is EVE different? And i've said why MMOs won't go the way you think. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Gynren	Posted - 2009.08.06 08:35:00 - [57] I love this game i think you may think i'm knocking it i'm not. Things have to change to remain current thats a fact of all life. I want to see eve around in the future but it has to change. I know that ccp are investing heavily into content because it has a shortfall pve+pvp great combo but you have to try and balance it. As a new player to eve its not that welcoming its very dev orientated even the terminology needs sorting it screams geeks playground. I'm want to play for a long time to come and from a news players perspective it needs to be tuned. Its my opinion thats all.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.08.06 08:36:00 - [58] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 06/08/2009 08:36:46 Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 06/08/2009 08:36:29 Originally by: Gynren I love this game i think you may think i'm knocking it i'm not. Things have to change to remain current thats a fact of all life. I want to see eve around in the future but it has to change. I know that ccp are investing heavily into content because it has a shortfall pve+pvp great combo but you have to try and balance it. As a new player to eve its not that welcoming its very dev orientated even the terminology needs sorting it screams geeks playground. I'm want to play for a long time to come and from a news players perspective it needs to be tuned. Its my opinion thats all. Still didn't answer how multiple character training would change things. You could remove the two extra character slots and get same result; aka no confusion for the new player whom you seem to protect with this. Balance, content, irrelevant. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Gynren	Posted - 2009.08.06 09:04:00 - [59] From a previous post i said that this game is quite different there is no final level and training takes a long time to get anywhere. I need to keep cashflow and i want to get to pvp but i cant do both so pvp will have to wait im not doing it all on one character. Yes i can earn from pvp but i need to get there with the right skills and gear first. To farm isk u still need alot of skills. In other mmo's ive played you can do both at the same time in this game its one or the other or swap around as is needed.The rewards from pve ie missions is pretty poor for the risk that you take at higher level missions unless your killing pirates which gives better bounty than the mission reward, and of course loot if u can be bothered to pick it up and salvage which takes longer than the mission did and imo is grinding which i see as a thing of the past until it has better rewards and content of course to make it more interesting not a chore.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.08.06 09:09:00 - [60] Originally by: Gynren From a previous post i said that this game is quite different there is no final level and training takes a long time to get anywhere. I need to keep cashflow and i want to get to pvp but i cant do both so pvp will have to wait im not doing it all on one character. Yes i can earn from pvp but i need to get there with the right skills and gear first. To farm isk u still need alot of skills. In other mmo's ive played you can do both at the same time in this game its one or the other or swap around as is needed.The rewards from pve ie missions is pretty poor for the risk that you take at higher level missions unless your killing pirates which gives better bounty than the mission reward, and of course loot if u can be bothered to pick it up and salvage which takes longer than the mission did and imo is grinding which i see as a thing of the past until it has better rewards and content of course to make it more interesting not a chore. 1: the training takes long 'cause there's 200 more skills to learn, then for example in WoW or DAoC. 2: In WoW and DAoC both, you didn't make money out of PVP. You did quests, grinded etc. Same goes here. Most PVP ships can grind missions to get the ISK. Or even mine. Just fit miners and voila. You can't do it as effectively as the other person who has invested time in mining and NOT PVP, but then that's HIS way of playing. Multiple ways to play, sandbox, open. Not restricted. 3: Still haven't answered why you should be able to train on several characters. Only reason you've stated is to train a miner and a PVP char at the same time, but that would kill the system of specialization which is a rather big part of EVE. 4: Multiple character training would mean a ton more characters sold. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.



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