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Blabb3r M0uth B11tch
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.26 23:52:00 -
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It never ceases to amaze me the people in this game that can't ever seem to be satisfied with finding things to kill. Now we have a new term "Prey", and "Predators" lol Sounds a little like child p0rn to me, but who am I, just an observer in this battle of the royal about who should have the advantage over who.
Let me recant a very important fact about EvE to all the Predators Here. There happens to be a very large sect of family, and others that play eve more for social impact of the game, than anything else. Friends that gather to Mine, run Missions, Incursions and the such. These people are interested because they can build things, build an empire so to speak, visit with there friends, and have fun. There really have no interest at all in getting ganked, or destroyed, or even fighting. Just having there good time in there own way. OK, you may think it's lame, But what about em.
Bottom line is this, there are other games, and maybe, just maybe, that's where they belong? I wonder how CCP would really feel, if they did succeed in making virtually all of the space in the game so dangerous for these type of players, that they simply up and moved on to other things, other games, where they can find something they like.
My guess, CCP might be disappointed in the results. I'm certain it would result in major lost subscriptions. I would guess it wouldn't be the type players that just ganked some poor unsuspecting fools freighter with everything they own in the game. That end up selling all there stuff and buying plexes with the isk to play on. But the players they will most likely loose are the fools with the freighter that got destroyed, that actually paid for his subscription with a credit card. I've seen it, they basically say screw this and never come back to the game. Good riddance I guess. I personally don't think CCP wants this, even if you do..
Bottom line, there are an over abundance of things to kill in the land of EvE, If you can't find them, your first step should be to look in a mirror.
CCP will leave local alone, it's there for a purpose, and it serves it well. Simple fact is if CCP changed it, I'm certain not even they feel warm and fuzzy about the consequences.
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Komen
Capital Enrichment Services The Night Crew Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:07:00 -
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CCP have stated repeatedly that 'Local' was never intended as an intelligence tool, but that it became such. They don't remove it because they insist that it's a valuable way for people to communicate (it's really not *cough JITA cough*) or some such nonsense.
I 'live' out of a POS in w-space, and operate in w-space as well. I find the lack of local to be rather freeing. Rather than stare paranoiacly at the people in channel, I can spam my D-scan button.
Also, it never ceases to amaze me that people who try out this 'dark, gritty' game then complain when THEY have to participate in the darkness and grittiness. Which might explain the amount of silica in bodily orifices evidenced around here. One's PvP consent flag is checked the moment one logs in. One can accept this, operate within the knowledge of it and attempt to thrive and achieve something meaningful (gamewise), or one can ***** and moan about how unfair it is that other people can force their will on you (guess what? You can do the same to them. That's the essence of this game). |

Blabb3r M0uth B11tch
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:10:00 -
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What ever you say, you can rationalize any way you want. People should be able to play in this sand box with out being harassed by even you, if they choose too. |

Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:12:00 -
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You do realize the removal of local can in fact benefit the "prey" as well. So long as CCP doesn't do a blanket removal and improves Dscan and nerfs probing. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:16:00 -
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Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:What ever you say, you can rationalize any way you want. People should be able to play in this sand box with out being harassed by even you, if they choose too.
Multiplayer Sandbox. You can do whatever you want. Other people can do whatever they want. Sometimes those wants go bump in the night.
Anyway, if you want EvE free of all PvP, go to SiSi. But you don't, you want to be safe from one certain type of PvP while participating in other forms of Player v Player interaction, like the market, so you're whining.
Finally, point to ONE piece of marketing material that advertised EvE as a safe place to be. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Komen
Capital Enrichment Services The Night Crew Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:17:00 -
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Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:What ever you say, you can rationalize any way you want. People should be able to play in this sand box with out being harassed by even you, if they choose too.
I cannot disagree with you more strongly. Again, one's PvP consent flag is checked the moment they log into Eve Online. It is because you can lose everything that any achievement has meaning at all. Otherwise it would be another theme-park, where you (and everyone else) are the hero who saved...whatever the **** it was that needed saving.
Eve is the only game where, rather than hold your hand and treat you as a child, protecting you from harm, you are allowed to behave as an adult, and take responsability for your own welfare within the game-space. Someone griefs you? Fight them. The fight not going well? Hire mercs. Incompetent mercs? ... Okay, I don't have an immediate answer for that one. But seriously, stop asking to be taken by the hand and led as a child. I respect CCP for creating a game wherein the adults can play, even if those adults then behave in childish ways. |

Blabb3r M0uth B11tch
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:18:00 -
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You know attendance in this game has been steadily dropping as a consequence, "in my opinion" to turning High Sec into a war zone. Just watch what happens if local vanishes.
My point isn't so much the local thing, it's the everyone being able to do there own thing thing.
Frankly, I don't care if you disagree, you will not be making this decision, CCP will. Also, there is not a thing childish, about playing Eve, and not being a big fan of PvP. |

Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:22:00 -
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Did you just compare gankers to paedophiles?
**** my life.... |

Komen
Capital Enrichment Services The Night Crew Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:23:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Did you just compare gankers to paedophiles?
**** my life....
Hold on, I'll get the lube again... |

Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:23:00 -
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If you want wrapping in cotton wool and your hand held then this isn't the game for you. If you can't accept that EVE is a sanbox and therefore there is not flag that says 'don't shoot me' and take the appropriate steps to protect yourself or others then you will get ganked and feel like you're the 'prey'.
Personally I think you're a troll and I'm not sure how predators and prey are new words, I've heard them used plenty of times in relation to this game. Perhaps your idea of 'social' isn't as social as you make out since you haven't bothered to really learn what the game is about and what playing it might involve. If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:24:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Did you just compare gankers to paedophiles?
**** my life....
Yeah, I think my mind blanked right past that part.
OP, you realize that your comparison is worse than comparisons that tend to invoke Godwin's Law? Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:26:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Did you just compare gankers to paedophiles?
**** my life.... Yeah, I think my mind blanked right past that part. OP, you realize that your comparison is worse than comparisons that tend to invoke Godwin's Law?
I'm getting the feeling that this may be a troll and they're using exaggerated arguments that those who feel upset about pvp ruining their little day sometimes draw upon.
If not, be ashamed, seriously. If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone. |

Komen
Capital Enrichment Services The Night Crew Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:27:00 -
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Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:You know attendance in this game has been steadily dropping as a consequence, "in my opinion" to turning High Sec into a war zone. Just watch what happens if local vanishes.
My point isn't so much the local thing, it's the everyone being able to do there own thing thing.
Frankly, I don't care if you disagree, you will not be making this decision, CCP will. Also, there is not a thing childish, about playing Eve, and not being a big fan of PvP.
Attendance has been dropping because CCP last year acted upon a plan conceived in levels of self-important thinking immeasurable by human instruments. The weight of hubris pressed Iceland lower on the earth, thus creating a depression. Then this year they released a beta UI instrument that hadn't been fully tested, and had the most glaring bugs knocked loose before being plugged into the live server.
Ganking's been a part of Eve since about 2 seconds after the second player undocked from a station back in '03. He got the first player. CRYING about this shows a level of ignorance that amounts to willful blindness. |

Blabb3r M0uth B11tch
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:29:00 -
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What ever you say. This is simply hilarious seeing all you masters of the universe tell how it is. LMFAO |

Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:31:00 -
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Prey? Predators? According to CCPs own metrics, about 60% of players reside in high sec. Try to figure out why? If even high sec is made too unsafe, guess what happens to this 60%? This is not rocket surgery, people. |

Komen
Capital Enrichment Services The Night Crew Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:32:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Prey? Predators? According to CCPs own metrics, about 60% of players reside in high sec. Try to figure out why? If even high sec is made too unsafe, guess what happens to this 60%? This is not rocket surgery, people.
The ones that aren't alts of null/low-sec players quit. And stop whining about being shot in a PvP game.
Hey, I can dream, damnit.
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:35:00 -
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Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:What ever you say. This is simply hilarious seeing all you masters of the universe tell how it is. LMFAO
Please accept this image macro as token of appreciation fro recognising my master status. |

Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:35:00 -
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Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:What ever you say. This is simply hilarious seeing all you masters of the universe tell how it is. LMFAO
Confirmed. It's a troll, someone bored on Saturday night. If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone. |

Blabb3r M0uth B11tch
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:43:00 -
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Nice Post, LOL. But really, it's a sand box. It was meant to be a sand box, and is meant to be a sand box. Bears have just as much a right to play there game as anyone. Get use to it. Lets just watch and see what happens to local, shall we. Got to go, too many high powered people here for me to handle.
So in closing, so ya can't really handle low sec, or 0.0, hmm. Then go gank in hi sec, just don't expect CCP to make it any easier for ya, whining to make it easier isn't going to help. CCP has way too much to loose.
One last thing, I actually do have faith in CCP in this regard. There are powerful people within CCP that are totally committed to not forcing players to participate in facets of this game that they choose not to. Even if you think it's stupid. CCP actually gets my sincere support in this area of the Eve Experience. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:50:00 -
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Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:Nice Post, LOL. But really, it's a sand box. It was meant to be a sand box, and is meant to be a sand box. Bears have just as much a right to play there game as anyone. Get use to it. Lets just watch and see what happens to local, shall we. Got to go, too many high powered people here for me to handle.
So in closing, so ya can't really handle low sec, or 0.0, hmm. Then go gank in hi sec, just don't expect CCP to make it any easier for ya, whining to make it easier isn't going to help. CCP has way too much to loose.
Yep. A MULTIPLAYER Sandbox. Bears have a right to , Gankers have a right to . Thanks for your agreement that the game is working as intended. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

mokslininkas
Vak'Atioth War Veterans
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:51:00 -
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i think posibility to gank ppl in highsec not the problem - but consequences can be improved :)
eve must be cold and dark for everyone, so why we cant implement system like this:
you wana gank someone - go and do it but after this you will be real criminal - no acces to highsec at all or maybe to highsec of faction where you commited crime. if you wana enter that faction space - you must go to that faction agents in low sec and do reasonable amount missions for them.
crime and punishment :) why not? |

Lexa Hellfury
Incura
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:57:00 -
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ITT "Predator" and "Prey" are new terms. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:58:00 -
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mokslininkas wrote:i think posibility to gank ppl in highsec not the problem - but consequences can be improved :)
eve must be cold and dark for everyone, so why we cant implement system like this:
you wana gank someone - go and do it but after this you will be real criminal - no acces to highsec at all or maybe to highsec of faction where you commited crime. if you wana enter that faction space - you must go to that faction agents in low sec and do reasonable amount missions for them.
crime and punishment :) why not?
You already get banned from HS. They shoot you if you enter HS with a low enough Sec Status.
If you mean a mechanical ban, HAHAHAHAHA NO. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.05.27 01:03:00 -
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Too much stupid...
... must stop reading. |

Blabb3r M0uth B11tch
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.27 01:12:00 -
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Ya know I was going to go, but I just gotta tell all the bears about something I did last week. Yea a post inspired me, lol. Look here's something anyone can do for fun. Point is "PAYBACK" lol.
I was moving about to position a Cyno for some cap ship movement when a gang of about 5 pirates destroyed my cyno ship.
My toon being an alt cyno pilot. I quickly docked in a station about 3 jumps out, and purchased (8) bestowers. I then commenced to auto pilot them right into the gate camp, one right after another. I would simply bounce back to the station, then send another one till they were all gone.
These guys were all having a great time getting easy kills. They just kept on killing my pod.
The short of it is simple, I took 5 or 6 players, and collectively dropped every single one of them to -10. They never new what hit them. LOL |

mokslininkas
Vak'Atioth War Veterans
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Posted - 2012.05.27 01:13:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:mokslininkas wrote:i think posibility to gank ppl in highsec not the problem - but consequences can be improved :)
eve must be cold and dark for everyone, so why we cant implement system like this:
you wana gank someone - go and do it but after this you will be real criminal - no acces to highsec at all or maybe to highsec of faction where you commited crime. if you wana enter that faction space - you must go to that faction agents in low sec and do reasonable amount missions for them.
crime and punishment :) why not? You already get banned from HS. They shoot you if you enter HS with a low enough Sec Status. If you mean a mechanical ban, HAHAHAHAHA NO.
no, you can enter highsec but after few sec concord will kill you and will pod you back to low :) that would improve low sec population :) yeah i know that not everyone has balls to take responsibility of his actions :) |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.05.27 01:19:00 -
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mokslininkas wrote:RubyPorto wrote:mokslininkas wrote:i think posibility to gank ppl in highsec not the problem - but consequences can be improved :)
eve must be cold and dark for everyone, so why we cant implement system like this:
you wana gank someone - go and do it but after this you will be real criminal - no acces to highsec at all or maybe to highsec of faction where you commited crime. if you wana enter that faction space - you must go to that faction agents in low sec and do reasonable amount missions for them.
crime and punishment :) why not? You already get banned from HS. They shoot you if you enter HS with a low enough Sec Status. If you mean a mechanical ban, HAHAHAHAHA NO. no, you can enter highsec but after few sec concord will kill you and will pod you back to low :) that would improve low sec population :) yeah i know that not everyone has balls to take responsibility of his actions :)
NPCs don't Pod. If you want to change that, why shouldn't Pirate NPCs pod? Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.05.27 01:20:00 -
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Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:Ya know I was going to go, but I just gotta tell all the bears about something I did last week. Yea a post inspired me, lol. Look here's something anyone can do for fun. Point is "PAYBACK" lol.
I was moving about to position a Cyno for some cap ship movement when a gang of about 5 pirates destroyed my cyno ship.
My toon being an alt cyno pilot. I quickly docked in a station about 3 jumps out, and purchased (8) bestowers. I then commenced to auto pilot them right into the gate camp, one right after another. I would simply bounce back to the station, then send another one till they were all gone.
These guys were all having a great time getting easy kills. They just kept on killing my pod.
The short of it is simple, I took 5 or 6 players, and collectively dropped every single one of them to -10. They never new what hit them. LOL
They never cared. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Blabb3r M0uth B11tch
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.27 01:22:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:Ya know I was going to go, but I just gotta tell all the bears about something I did last week. Yea a post inspired me, lol. Look here's something anyone can do for fun. Point is "PAYBACK" lol.
I was moving about to position a Cyno for some cap ship movement when a gang of about 5 pirates destroyed my cyno ship.
My toon being an alt cyno pilot. I quickly docked in a station about 3 jumps out, and purchased (8) bestowers. I then commenced to auto pilot them right into the gate camp, one right after another. I would simply bounce back to the station, then send another one till they were all gone.
These guys were all having a great time getting easy kills. They just kept on killing my pod.
The short of it is simple, I took 5 or 6 players, and collectively dropped every single one of them to -10. They never new what hit them. LOL They never cared.
I'd bet a dollar they did 
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Snow Burst
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2012.05.27 01:26:00 -
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Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:It never ceases to amaze me the people in this game that can't ever seem to be satisfied with finding things to kill. Now we have a new term "Prey", and "Predators" lol Sounds a little like child p0rn to me, but who am I, just an observer in this battle of the royal about who should have the advantage over who.
Let me recant a very important fact about EvE to all the Predators Here. There happens to be a very large sect of family, and others that play eve more for social impact of the game, than anything else. Friends that gather to Mine, run Missions, Incursions and the such. These people are interested because they can build things, build an empire so to speak, visit with there friends, and have fun. There really have no interest at all in getting ganked, or destroyed, or even fighting. Just having there good time in there own way. OK, you may think it's lame, But what about em.
Bottom line is this, there are other games, and maybe, just maybe, that's where they belong? I wonder how CCP would really feel, if they did succeed in making virtually all of the space in the game so dangerous for these type of players, that they simply up and moved on to other things, other games, where they can find something they like.
My guess, CCP might be disappointed in the results. I'm certain it would result in major lost subscriptions. I would guess it wouldn't be the type players that just ganked some poor unsuspecting fools freighter with everything they own in the game. That end up selling all there stuff and buying plexes with the isk to play on. But the players they will most likely loose are the fools with the freighter that got destroyed, that actually paid for his subscription with a credit card. I've seen it, they basically say screw this and never come back to the game. Good riddance I guess. I personally don't think CCP wants this, even if you do..
Bottom line, there are an over abundance of things to kill in the land of EvE, If you can't find them, your first step should be to look in a mirror.
CCP will leave local alone, it's there for a purpose, and it serves it well. Simple fact is if CCP changed it, I'm certain not even they feel warm and fuzzy about the consequences.
one person speaks sense it seems, i shake your virtual space hand  There Is A 90% Chance All Of What You Just Read Is Wrong, Inaccurate Or Just Me Being Controversial In Some Way.-áOr By Some Chance It's Completely Right In Every Way... At Least To Me :3 |
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