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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:15:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Agreed. Choices and Consequences.
CCP should enact a 3 strike rule.
1. Wanna be Pirate player ganks ships in high security until his security status forces him into low security where he quickly 'rats' it back up to positive again.
2. That wanna be Pirate player then returns to high security and ganks more ships again until he's forced back into low security to rat his security status back up positive.
3. That same wanna be Pirate player once again returns to high security ganking more ships until he's forced back into low security due to his negative security status.
3-Strike Rule is enacted. No more security status increase for killing NPC rats.
That wanna be Pirate player has now graduated into a full fledged Pirate player.
Choices and Consequences.
This will impact gankers about as much as the insurance nerf did. Then you will try to push for yet another nerf.
Just another example of how he doesn't understand things. Most gankers are already there not because of some 3 strike ban but coz they can't be arsed npcing. Next natural step when he realises this is cry hard about -10 entering high sec of course lmao |
EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Agreed. Choices and Consequences.
CCP should enact a 3 strike rule.
1. Wanna be Pirate player ganks ships in high security until his security status forces him into low security where he quickly 'rats' it back up to positive again.
2. That wanna be Pirate player then returns to high security and ganks more ships again until he's forced back into low security to rat his security status back up positive.
3. That same wanna be Pirate player once again returns to high security ganking more ships until he's forced back into low security due to his negative security status.
3-Strike Rule is enacted. No more security status increase for killing NPC rats.
That wanna be Pirate player has now graduated into a full fledged Pirate player.
Choices and Consequences.
This will impact gankers about as much as the insurance nerf did. Then you will try to push for yet another nerf.
unless they start killing pods
youre neg status you jump in in your (as it is now) safe pod, you can go anywhere.
They start killin them you CANT get into high sec cause you ****** yer sec |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
914
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:16:00 -
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Onyx Nyx wrote:Ganked and butthurt comes into mind when reading DeMichael Crimson and Blabb3r M0uth B11tch.
I am sure Nintendo might have a few games to announce at this years' E3 for crybabies like you.
Ganker Dodge and GankBGone
Avoid gankers by selecting an appropriate tank, being aware and maybe even (high-level tactics) aligning ! (Suitable for all ages)
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
baltec1
1209
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:21:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
unless they start killing pods
youre neg status you jump in in your (as it is now) safe pod, you can go anywhere.
They start killin them you CANT get into high sec cause you ****** yer sec
So you want to effectively bar a large group of players from a huge part of EVE? This is good for the game how? |
EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:22:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
unless they start killing pods
youre neg status you jump in in your (as it is now) safe pod, you can go anywhere.
They start killin them you CANT get into high sec cause you ****** yer sec
So you want to effectively bar a large group of players from a huge part of EVE? This is good for the game how?
whats the word ppl throw around but never understand? OH YEAH
consequences
which there arent any now
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baltec1
1209
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:25:00 -
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EVE Roy Mustang wrote:baltec1 wrote:EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
unless they start killing pods
youre neg status you jump in in your (as it is now) safe pod, you can go anywhere.
They start killin them you CANT get into high sec cause you ****** yer sec
So you want to effectively bar a large group of players from a huge part of EVE? This is good for the game how? whats the word ppl throw around but never understand? OH YEAH consequences which there arent any now
So you want to "save EVE" by getting a large group of people to quit because they cannot do their activity. You are exactly the sort of person who will kill EVE. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
914
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Posted - 2012.05.28 06:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:So you want to "save EVE" by getting a large group of people to quit because they cannot do their activity. You are exactly the sort of person who will kill EVE.
Tons of EVE killing, but you know what. EVE has one damn good tank.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1628
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Posted - 2012.05.28 09:03:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:RubyPorto wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Please re-read my statement: Quote:Now if you wanna be able to do prolonged suicide ganking in high security against Industrial ships at little to no risk with predictable results, that's a different issue which needs to be addressed by CCP. Most suicide ganking done in high security is predictable, has low risk with high reward. Maybe a little bit of time is spent by another ship scanning the Industrial ship but the suicide ganker will more than likely succeed and the engagement is quick. There is no ISK lost by the suicide ganker considering he'll gain at least 3 times more isk just in the loot dropped from the victim. The suicide ganker ship being destroyed is predictable and expected, usually the cost has been calculated and included when selecting target victim. The GCC is only 15 minutes in which time the suicide ganker can sit in station gloating over his kill and loot, easily refit and assemble another ship. The security status lost is minimal and allows for prolonged suicide ganking before having to worry about regaining security status. As I said before - Most suicide ganking done in high security is predictable, has low risk with high reward. You calling for the banning of Mining, Missions, and Ratting? Cause those are predictable, low risk, and high reward. Ahhh, nice attempt at redirection while trying to misrepresent my statements. Nowhere in my posted reply did I say anything about banning. I'm talking about the issue of Risk -v- Reward.
You bring up a "fact". That ganking is predictable, low risk, and high reward. So what? You have to actually state a position at some point. Is that just fine and dandy? In that case, why bring it up? Is it bad? In that case why deny that you want it removed/changed?
You're jumping into an argument; you should be ready to argue a position, no try to play human encyclopedia.
Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2012.05.28 09:20:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Agreed. Choices and Consequences.
CCP should enact a 3 strike rule.
1. Wanna be Pirate player ganks ships in high security until his security status forces him into low security where he quickly 'rats' it back up to positive again.
2. That wanna be Pirate player then returns to high security and ganks more ships again until he's forced back into low security to rat his security status back up positive.
3. That same wanna be Pirate player once again returns to high security ganking more ships until he's forced back into low security due to his negative security status.
3-Strike Rule is enacted. No more security status increase for killing NPC rats.
That wanna be Pirate player has now graduated into a full fledged Pirate player.
Choices and Consequences.
This will impact gankers about as much as the insurance nerf did. Then you will try to push for yet another nerf.
It would impact if Orca exploit wasn't aloud and even encouraged, if at the right moment you board the ship concord would instantly warp/kill your ship.
But of course, if we know even having -10 in high sec it's not a problem it's not because of that -10 uberness skill or intelligence, it's because high sec in intendedly out of proper rules and mechanics so a few can use and abuse existing mechanics to destroy other players fun, then the same uber elite pvp dudes ask for CCP to kill npc corps, make high sec like null etc etc.
You're shooting your own foot for years at the point you have to claim your uberness and elite attitude by killing miners and haulers (everyone knows how dangerous those are).
If it looks like a pawn, if it acts like a pawn then it's probably and simply a pawn. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1628
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Posted - 2012.05.28 09:41:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
It would impact if Orca exploit wasn't aloud and even encouraged, if at the right moment you board the ship concord would instantly warp/kill your ship.
But of course, if we know even having -10 in high sec it's not a problem it's not because of that -10 uberness skill or intelligence, it's because high sec in intendedly out of proper rules and mechanics so a few can use and abuse existing mechanics to destroy other players fun, then the same uber elite pvp dudes ask for CCP to kill npc corps, make high sec like null etc etc.
You're shooting your own foot for years at the point you have to claim your uberness and elite attitude by killing miners and haulers (everyone knows how dangerous those are).
If it looks like a pawn, if it acts like a pawn then it's probably and simply a pawn.
1) The Orca is explicitly working as intended.
2) You're saying that people are adapting to the rules and mechanics of the game they play? Forsooth!
3) The only people claiming that suicide ganking is "leet" or "uber" are the people whining and trying to paint the gankers with that brush.
Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
baltec1
1218
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Posted - 2012.05.28 10:10:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
It would impact if Orca exploit wasn't aloud and even encouraged, if at the right moment you board the ship concord would instantly warp/kill your ship.
But of course, if we know even having -10 in high sec it's not a problem it's not because of that -10 uberness skill or intelligence, it's because high sec in intendedly out of proper rules and mechanics so a few can use and abuse existing mechanics to destroy other players fun, then the same uber elite pvp dudes ask for CCP to kill npc corps, make high sec like null etc etc.
You're shooting your own foot for years at the point you have to claim your uberness and elite attitude by killing miners and haulers (everyone knows how dangerous those are).
If it looks like a pawn, if it acts like a pawn then it's probably and simply a pawn.
Using the orca is not an exploit and being -10 in high sec is not abusing any rules or mechanics. I also fight againt daft ideas from people who want to take away safety from high sec, want to nerf something that doesn't need it or demand buffs to things which are perfectly fine. Right now high sec is well balanced in that if you take steps to protect yourself and dont do something daft you will be safe. |
Blabb3r M0uth B11tch
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.05.28 17:18:00 -
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I completely agree with what "baltec1" Just said, 100%. Folks tank your miners!!! Yea you'll have to take the time and effort to train some sort of tank, but trust me, you'll be glad you did.
I'm going to let you know right now, personnel attacks wont work on me. I'm here to stay! This is our forum, I intend to use it.
Like I've stated, over and over. CCP does not want any single player sect, driving any other player sect away from there game, or allow them to force them to force others to participate in things they choose not to do! Seems pretty simple doesn't it.
Hulks were built for a pretty serious tank, those that have mined in 0.0 know this. Just give up a little cargo space, put that bad boy tank on the hulks in high sec. If all the miners collectively did this, it would effect the hulk gankers pretty serious.
I do not believe someone accused me, "ME" of trying to sound Academic. Oh gaud this is so cool.  |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
EPIC Alliance
81
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Posted - 2012.05.28 17:25:00 -
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Or you guys could accept the fact that you're getting this new "CONCORD DEATH RAY" which will ruin highsec ganking forever. Add to this the canflip changes which destroy solo PVP and there you go.
I only ever emerge from the shadows when my main is banned. |
Easthir Ravin
Easy Co.
Fatal Ascension
19
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Posted - 2012.05.28 18:15:00 -
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Komen wrote:Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:What ever you say, you can rationalize any way you want. People should be able to play in this sand box with out being harassed by even you, if they choose too. I cannot disagree with you more strongly. Again, one's PvP consent flag is checked the moment they log into Eve Online. It is because you can lose everything that any achievement has meaning at all. Otherwise it would be another theme-park, where you (and everyone else) are the hero who saved...whatever the **** it was that needed saving. Eve is the only game where, rather than hold your hand and treat you as a child, protecting you from harm, you are allowed to behave as an adult, and take responsability for your own welfare within the game-space. Someone griefs you? Fight them. The fight not going well? Hire mercs. Incompetent mercs? ... Okay, I don't have an immediate answer for that one. But seriously, stop asking to be taken by the hand and led as a child. I respect CCP for creating a game wherein the adults can play, even if those adults then behave in childish ways.
Greetings
Got tired of opining on posts like these...so what he said.
vr
East
IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES: -á" I drank WHAT?!" |
EVE Roy Mustang
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.28 19:24:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:EVE Roy Mustang wrote:baltec1 wrote:EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
unless they start killing pods
youre neg status you jump in in your (as it is now) safe pod, you can go anywhere.
They start killin them you CANT get into high sec cause you ****** yer sec
So you want to effectively bar a large group of players from a huge part of EVE? This is good for the game how? whats the word ppl throw around but never understand? OH YEAH consequences which there arent any now So you want to "save EVE" by getting a large group of people to quit because they cannot do their activity. You are exactly the sort of person who will kill EVE.
wait... I thought sec status "wasnt a big thing"
the lying gankers are what will kill the game.
How about making them HAVE consequences for their actions and pod them when theyre in high sec?
Or let them be free to pod by anyone in high sec (because they are outlaws after all...) without them taking a sec hit or being shot by concord.
CONSEQUENCES for your actions. Like ppl are always screaming that there should be consequences and dont know what the word means. If Consequences will "kill the game" then stop using the word when youre trying to support your own argument. It doesnt mean what you think it does.
as for tanking, Id rather just do my homework and find a place where there arent people. By the time the outlaw gankers (that can go anywhere they want even though the police should be looking for them and all) find me I have paid off the ship Im flying 10x over. |
Cutter Isaacson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
152
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Posted - 2012.05.28 19:33:00 -
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TheBreadMuncher wrote:Or you guys could accept the fact that you're getting this new "CONCORD DEATH RAY" which will ruin highsec ganking forever. Add to this the canflip changes which destroy solo PVP and there you go.
So the ONLY way to get solo PVP is to can flip in high sec? Hmmm, I call bullshit on that. Try going to null-sec, then you can shoot at people as much as you like without the need for flipping cans. Or go to low sec and attack people there. Can flipping in high sec is for the risk averse anyway. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.28 19:36:00 -
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Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:Nice Post, LOL. But really, it's a sand box. It was meant to be a sand box, and is meant to be a sand box. Bears have just as much a right to play there game as anyone. Get use to it. Lets just watch and see what happens to local, shall we. Got to go, too many high powered people here for me to handle.
So in closing, so ya can't really handle low sec, or 0.0, hmm. Then go gank in hi sec, just don't expect CCP to make it any easier for ya, whining to make it easier isn't going to help. CCP has way too much to loose.
One last thing, I actually do have faith in CCP in this regard. There are powerful people within CCP that are totally committed to not forcing players to participate in facets of this game that they choose not to. Even if you think it's stupid. CCP actually gets my sincere support in this area of the Eve Experience.
I don't know why anyone is trying to argue with you.
They should are really stop.
Your ignorance makes it impossible for you to understand that you're trying to argue the point of a sandbox, without even understanding the point of a sandbox.
And your delusion makes you think that CCP somehow would agree with you, even though they release trailers that expound the virtues of the sandbox, and all it offers.
Including the ability to blow up a miners ship in hi-sec. Because without it the freedom to do whatever you want, whenever you want, they wouldn't have the right to call EVE a real sandbox.
In the meantime, you'll continue playing the game, and I'm sure CCP would thank you for that. |
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