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SquadBroken Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.08.05 23:05:00 - [1] Prove me wrong. I dare anyone without spending 1 bil + on officer/faction fittings to build me a ship with any thing more than a SLIGHT advantage over a sniper zealot, properly kit pilgrim, or curse - other than the fact that it can warp cloaked and through bubbles. Great features to have on a ninja hauler - not so great on a bil isk piece of crap. CCP needs to show the worst t3 ship by FAR some love. Think I'm wrong? Put a fit out there.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.08.05 23:09:00 - [2] .. huh? Similar dps to a zealot - check Similar ehp to a buffer sacri - check can run wh's up to class 3 solo, including probing/salvaging/hacking - check Where exactly is the problem? Originally by: Akita T Seriously ? ...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
hustle man Amarr Corp 1 Allstars	Posted - 2009.08.05 23:12:00 - [3] Originally by: SquadBroken Prove me wrong. I dare anyone without spending 1 bil + on officer/faction fittings to build me a ship with any thing more than a SLIGHT advantage over a sniper zealot, properly kit pilgrim, or curse - other than the fact that it can warp cloaked and through bubbles. Great features to have on a ninja hauler - not so great on a bil isk piece of crap. CCP needs to show the worst t3 ship by FAR some love. Think I'm wrong? Put a fit out there. i most certainly will prove you wrong sir! meet me at a station and trade me yours and i'll show you what it can really do!
Herty The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention	Posted - 2009.08.05 23:15:00 - [4] Originally by: hustle man Originally by: SquadBroken Prove me wrong. I dare anyone without spending 1 bil + on officer/faction fittings to build me a ship with any thing more than a SLIGHT advantage over a sniper zealot, properly kit pilgrim, or curse - other than the fact that it can warp cloaked and through bubbles. Great features to have on a ninja hauler - not so great on a bil isk piece of crap. CCP needs to show the worst t3 ship by FAR some love. Think I'm wrong? Put a fit out there. i most certainly will prove you wrong sir! meet me at a station and trade me yours and i'll show you what it can really do! This is not safe at all. But I will accept the legion and collaterol from hustle man to ensure all parties are happy.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.05 23:15:00 - [5] ITT: Op confuses market forces with a ships actual usefulness. Originally by: Zaqar Anyway, you don't have to be Einstein to play Eve - a quick glance over the forums will tell you that -
hustle man Amarr Corp 1 Allstars	Posted - 2009.08.05 23:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Herty Originally by: hustle man Originally by: SquadBroken Prove me wrong. I dare anyone without spending 1 bil + on officer/faction fittings to build me a ship with any thing more than a SLIGHT advantage over a sniper zealot, properly kit pilgrim, or curse - other than the fact that it can warp cloaked and through bubbles. Great features to have on a ninja hauler - not so great on a bil isk piece of crap. CCP needs to show the worst t3 ship by FAR some love. Think I'm wrong? Put a fit out there. i most certainly will prove you wrong sir! meet me at a station and trade me yours and i'll show you what it can really do! This is not safe at all. But I will accept the legion and collaterol from hustle man to ensure all parties are happy. HEY! i was here 1st.
Herty The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention	Posted - 2009.08.05 23:27:00 - [7] Originally by: hustle man Originally by: Herty Originally by: hustle man Originally by: SquadBroken Prove me wrong. I dare anyone without spending 1 bil + on officer/faction fittings to build me a ship with any thing more than a SLIGHT advantage over a sniper zealot, properly kit pilgrim, or curse - other than the fact that it can warp cloaked and through bubbles. Great features to have on a ninja hauler - not so great on a bil isk piece of crap. CCP needs to show the worst t3 ship by FAR some love. Think I'm wrong? Put a fit out there. i most certainly will prove you wrong sir! meet me at a station and trade me yours and i'll show you what it can really do! This is not safe at all. But I will accept the legion and collaterol from hustle man to ensure all parties are happy. HEY! i was here 1st. Im just offering some 3rd party services.
Invelious Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.08.05 23:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Lance Fighter .. huh? Similar dps to a zealot - check Similar ehp to a buffer sacri - check can run wh's up to class 3 solo, including probing/salvaging/hacking - check Where exactly is the problem? can use drones - check
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.05 23:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Lance Fighter .. huh? Similar dps to a zealot - check Similar ehp to a buffer sacri - check can run wh's up to class 3 solo, including probing/salvaging/hacking - check Where exactly is the problem? can use drones - check Not having some sort of default drone bay for all the t3 ships is kinda annoying and my pet peeve for the whole line. FFS just give them a tiny 15~25m3 bay that gets replaced when you add the drone section and I will be a happy camper. Originally by: Zaqar Anyway, you don't have to be Einstein to play Eve - a quick glance over the forums will tell you that -
SquadBroken Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.08.06 00:15:00 - [10] Edited by: SquadBroken on 06/08/2009 00:20:59 I'm waiting for a fit that warrents the 1 bil + to spend on this ship. Loki - vaga on crack Tengu - nastiest tank in game. Proteus - tanks 1000 dps spits out 1000 dps. Legion - slightly better pilgrim, zealot. Note the difference? Link me a fit that makes this ship worth spending the money on. Originally by: Lance Fighter .. huh? Similar dps to a zealot - check Similar ehp to a buffer sacri - check can run wh's up to class 3 solo, including probing/salvaging/hacking - check Where exactly is the problem? That I don't want to use a t3 ship for ratting/missioning/wormholing when a paladin does it better. Perhaps I should clarify. Pvp setups only please. Thanks.
Joe Forumtroll	Posted - 2009.08.06 00:40:00 - [11] Originally by: SquadBroken The Legion Rocks I concur.
SquadBroken Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.08.06 00:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Joe Forumtroll I like dongues I concur.
Jenni Falorgen Polaris Rising Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.08.06 00:49:00 - [13] How about the following: *note I'm on my blackberry. 1 dissolution (eccm electronic sub) 2 command defense sub 3 covops offense sub 4 nulifier propulsion sub. Add a radar eccm and coproc in mids, a radar backup in lows. Cloak and command links in highs. The ship can move around freely and makes a fantastic scout. When you are done scouting, safe up, turn on the eccm and command links. Not much dps or tank, but it doesn't need it. Sensor strength to sig rad is 75/143mm (or a little over 50%).
Joe Forumtroll	Posted - 2009.08.06 00:50:00 - [14] Oh Noes you didn`t.... L2P perhaps? I have a great Legion fit but you wont see it. I rather watch you whine then teach you something.
SquadBroken Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.08.06 00:53:00 - [15] Edited by: SquadBroken on 06/08/2009 00:55:03 Originally by: Jenni Falorgen How about the following: note I'm on my blackberry. 1 dissolution (eccm electronic sub) 2 command defense sub 3 covops offense sub 4 nulifier propulsion sub. Add a radar eccm and coproc in mids, a radar backup in lows. Cloak and command links in highs. The ship can move around freely and makes a fantastic scout. When you are done scouting, safe up, turn on the eccm and command links. Not much dps or tank, but it doesn't need it. Sensor strength to sig rad is 75/143mm (or a little over 50%). So a 1 bil isk scout/command ship bonus. I'm going to be honest here - this is probably the most useful way to use a legion in pvp. Do you see the problem with this considering the other race's t3's can be used in so many different ways - and the legion is delegated to scouting and giving gang bonuses? In summation - yes this is a good fit. Viper *zle also has a decent nano/sniper one on SHC but both fits really aren't worth the isk and possible loss of sp. Want a scout fly a recon/inty/cov ops. Want bonuses? Fly a command ship. This ship needs some love from CCP and most people that have tried to make it useful know it. Thanks for your input. Originally by:** Joe Forumtroll Oh Noes you didn`t.... L2P perhaps? I have a great Legion fit but you wont see it. I rather watch you whine then teach you something. I'm a beta player who uses all 4 races t3 ships and thinks the other 3 rock. The legion is clearly the worst and need some love. Link me a fit to shut me up or continue to contribute nothing, hide behind and alt, and look like an ass. Your call there champ. You're sure "showing" me.
Joe Forumtroll	Posted - 2009.08.06 01:06:00 - [16] You whine since beta? Jeeez , sux to be you dude
SquadBroken Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.08.06 01:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Joe Forumtroll You whine since beta? Jeeez , sux to be you dude The content is just dripping from your posts. All ten of them. I'm sure the mods will have their way with you soon. Enjoy the ban stick mr. alt.
Jenni Falorgen Polaris Rising Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.08.06 01:19:00 - [18] Originally by: SquadBroken Edited by: SquadBroken on 06/08/2009 00:55:03 Originally by: Jenni Falorgen How about the following: note I'm on my blackberry. 1 dissolution (eccm electronic sub) 2 command defense sub 3 covops offense sub 4 nulifier propulsion sub. Add a radar eccm and coproc in mids, a radar backup in lows. Cloak and command links in highs. The ship can move around freely and makes a fantastic scout. When you are done scouting, safe up, turn on the eccm and command links. Not much dps or tank, but it doesn't need it. Sensor strength to sig rad is 75/143mm (or a little over 50%). So a 1 bil isk scout/command ship bonus. I'm going to be honest here - this is probably the most useful way to use a legion in pvp. Do you see the problem with this considering the other race's t3's can be used in so many different ways - and the legion is delegated to scouting and giving gang bonuses? In summation - yes this is a good fit. Viper ***zle also has a decent nano/sniper one on SHC but both fits really aren't worth the isk and possible loss of sp. Want a scout fly a recon/inty/cov ops. Want bonuses? Fly a command ship. This ship needs some love from CCP and most people that have tried to make it useful know it. Thanks for your input. I agree that the Legion needs some tweeking to put it inline with the rest of the T3s. However i disagree that the Legion sucks. It is a Strategic Cruiser, not a Tactical Cruiser. It's supposed to give you more depth of options with 1 ship vs having multiple specialized ships. So yeah it's possible to use a recon for scouting and a command ship for bonuses. But doing both with 1 ship is pretty awesome. There are other roles available (I admit there are less available than the other T3s) for those willing to experiment and willing to risk their ships. Just because the Legion fails at being a super hac (it doesn't) doesn't mean the ship sucks. Just 'cause it's not on par with the other 3 T3s in some roles doesn't mean it's not worth it. additionally IMHO it's the best looking of all the T3s.
Serj Reaper Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.06 01:22:00 - [19] I know I'm not supposed to feed the troll, but w/e. [Legion, Armor Buffer w/ HAMS] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Domination 10MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Scrambler Domination Stasis Webifier Gallente Navy Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization 210k ehp, 320 with slaves 500 dps, instalock, permarun mwd scram+web Not having drones sucks, but this is a problem with all t3 ships atm
Joe Forumtroll	Posted - 2009.08.06 01:24:00 - [20] If you don`t want me around you shouldn`t have "awaken" my interest in this thread with your insults. Besides, read my name? I`m doing MY part, what do YOU do besides whining about my favorite ship?
SquadBroken Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.08.06 01:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Serj Reaper I know I'm not supposed to feed the troll, but w/e. [Legion, Armor Buffer w/ HAMS] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Domination 10MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Scrambler Domination Stasis Webifier Gallente Navy Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization Legion Propulsion - Chassis Optimization 210k ehp, 320 with slaves 500 dps, instalock, permarun mwd scram+web Not having drones sucks, but this is a problem with all t3 ships atm 2.5 bil + for a ship that puts out 500 dps and is cap stable. Honestly man, it's not worth it. To the poster above him - sure the legion doesn't outright "suck." It sucks in comparison to the other t3 ships - and that's why I want it tweaked. I'll rename the thread, you have a fair point.
Joe Forumtroll	Posted - 2009.08.06 01:32:00 - [22] Oh you already changed the title of the thread. You are making progress. Maybe not so hopeless case after all. By the time I`m done with you, the title WILL be The Legion rocks!!!, like I sugested.
SquadBroken Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.08.06 01:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Joe Forumtroll More uselessness. Hey snot. Nice new alt. I give it about 2 hours till it's banned. Funny how this account was created within 10 minutes of him being banned. Please, keep contributing nothing in every thread - will only get you banned faster. Thanks cutie.
Joe Forumtroll	Posted - 2009.08.06 01:36:00 - [24] A clue incoming!!! IF I get baned... you will miss the grand finale of this thread where I post my Legion fit you wanted and make you a beliver!
Ignitious Hellfury Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.08.06 01:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Invelious Originally by: Lance Fighter .. huh? Similar dps to a zealot - check Similar ehp to a buffer sacri - check can run wh's up to class 3 solo, including probing/salvaging/hacking - check Where exactly is the problem? can use drones - check Not having some sort of default drone bay for all the t3 ships is kinda annoying and my pet peeve for the whole line. FFS just give them a tiny 15~25m3 bay that gets replaced when you add the drone section and I will be a happy camper. fine but then proteus should get 125 mbit with a bigger drone bay so it has some use in PvE.
SquadBroken Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.08.06 01:44:00 - [26] Edited by: SquadBroken on 06/08/2009 01:43:54 Originally by: Ignitious Hellfury fine but then proteus should get 125 mbit with a bigger drone bay so it has some use in PvE. PVP fits and discussion in this thread only please. The proteus can tank 1000 dps and spit out the same. Good god the thing is beastly. It's a fine ship m8 and you know it.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.08.06 02:12:00 - [27] I agree with OP, the Legion is garbage. To make it work, it needs: 1. Power core multiplier to give +2 turrets/launchers instead of +1, and the extra grid to fit it. The legion has 7 turret hardpoints modelled but can fit 6 turrets/launchers max, giving it mediocre dps. If it's gonna be a one trick pony, it might as well put out some respectable firepower. It needs 7 weapons tbh. 2. Nos subsystem and drone subsystem rolled into one, allowing it to have 4 turrets and 3 nos/neut with a range bonus, and 50m3 of drones.
SquadBroken Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.08.06 02:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I agree with OP, the Legion is garbage. To make it work, it needs: 1. Power core multiplier to give +2 turrets/launchers instead of +1, and the extra grid to fit it. The legion has 7 turret hardpoints modelled but can fit 6 turrets/launchers max, giving it mediocre dps. If it's gonna be a one trick pony, it might as well put out some respectable firepower. It needs 7 weapons tbh. 2. Nos subsystem and drone subsystem rolled into one, allowing it to have 4 turrets and 3 nos/neut with a range bonus, and 50m3 of drones. Wow. Solid suggestions - it's lack of any kind of dps is really what makes it sad. For all those haters out there - hop on eft and actually try to fit one that's useful. I'm not trolling here this ship seriously needs a tweak ( I dare say a buff ) it is PATHETIC compared to the other t3 ships. ( I bolded the important part )
Joe Forumtroll	Posted - 2009.08.06 02:34:00 - [29] Why stop at 7 turrets? How about 8? You know what would make it really special? 9 turrets.
Jenni Falorgen Polaris Rising Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.08.06 02:57:00 - [30] Legion can have 8 highs ;)

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