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liquidsteal
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:23:00 -
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You have all had it happen ,at least the people who work there own missions to make a living in EVE. ide like to have a show of err em hands to who likes and dont like this aspect of the game,lets see if the majority of players dont like it we can get ccp to stop it from happening. ps dont worry about me ,im on to a diff game if it isnt stopped .
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JitaBum
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:26:00 -
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move to quieter system you nincompoop
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:27:00 -
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 Originally by: liquidsteal
You have all had it happen ,at least the people who work there own missions to make a living in EVE. ide like to have a show of err em hands to who likes and dont like this aspect of the game,lets see if the majority of players dont like it we can get ccp to stop it from happening. ps dont worry about me ,im on to a diff game if it isnt stopped .
Per CCP Mitnal: Originally by: CCP Mitnal
"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."
Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X
Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)
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McRoll
Minmatar
Heatseekers
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:28:00 -
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Your efforts will be futile, i am sorry. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Oh and just so you know- i am not a ninja salvager and i find it funny if one enters my missions, it's a part of EvE i like, believe it or not.
And before i forget- Can i haz? you know what.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:38:00 -
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No. That's stupid. Why on earth would you want that?
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Xikuan
Minmatar
New Furia
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:40:00 -
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ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT THIS!!!?????!!!!!
To the OP, look thought the pages on the forum, seriously, this has already been done to death! The devs and the rest of the player base have already spoken.
FYI: Yes I am a mission runner, I love the PvE aspect in EVE as well as the social aspect. But I have no problem with ninja salvagers at all. Most of the good salvagers are in and out before I even notice. For some of the others we have a good yarn. I even sometimes give advice to those that are slower.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: liquidsteal
You have all had it happen ,at least the people who work there own missions to make a living in EVE. ide like to have a show of err em hands to who likes and dont like this aspect of the game,lets see if the majority of players dont like it we can get ccp to stop it from happening. ps dont worry about me ,im on to a diff game if it isnt stopped .
you can't have it all.
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Gallent Stonewill
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:45:00 -
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I haven't had a mission salvaged on me yet and I only just started to salvage my own but I accept the fact that salvage belongs to who ever gets it first. I just hope when a mission does get salvaged the person is willing to deal,I take the loot and what ever items I need to finish the job and they can take the salvage.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: liquidsteal
lets see if the majority of players dont like it we can get ccp to stop it from happening. ps dont worry about me ,im on to a diff game if it isnt stopped .
Ninjas already got there with the good quotes but just to add 2 things:
1. Majority of players don't bother with the forums so you are not capturing a majority by making this content light thread.
2. You might as well leave now if you lack imagination to do anything but grind missions.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:48:00 -
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Look, it is quite simple, low sec piracy is broken and CCP don't have any ideas on fixing it. But teenage boys need something to show how tough and macho the are, so they get can flipping and salvage theft. Just ignore them till they grow some balls and head out to 0.0 or, as is more likely, go and play Hello Kitty Online.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: liquidsteal
Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Is this a troll?
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Tittibum
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: liquidsteal
ps dont worry about me ,im on to a diff game if it isnt stopped .
Fare thee well.
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Spurty
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 01:02:00 -
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Personally, I feel your expectations are way too high, its not the nature of this game to give you cake and allow you to eat it.
Try to just run missions like I do. Ignore loot (unless you need some minerals) and salvage, build loyalty points.
you get your rewards from bounties/mission rewards, loyalty points and thats it.
If you 'want' to stop and salvage, you are welcome to, but now you have to compete with others.
Way I see it, 1 Level 3 mission gives me about .5 to 5mill isk and up to 500 loyalty points for 10 - 30 mins effort.
wish it was more, but thats all I expect from them.
Don't always have time for level 4s, but when I do just double those figures.
I bet some carebears are rolling their eyes at me, but I'm a casual player (i have a life). I don't burn through isk very fast, even at this rate, my wallet is healthy these days.
Perhaps if EVE is still running when my first son is old enough to play, he can loot for me, otherwise, I'd sooner run 5 missions than 1 and loot it.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
i for one, like 8's that look like 9's lol
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.06 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: liquidsteal
You have all had it happen ,at least the people who work there own missions to make a living in EVE. ide like to have a show of err em hands to who likes and dont like this aspect of the game,lets see if the majority of players dont like it we can get ccp to stop it from happening. ps dont worry about me ,im on to a diff game if it isnt stopped .
orc orc orc orc I'm an orc!
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Spurty
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 01:05:00 -
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to be frank, if i need billions of isk, i'll buy it (PLEXS, gtcs), I consider it worth the cost as my play time is very limited.
so far spent $80 on ISK in almost 4 years if that helps
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
i for one, like 8's that look like 9's lol
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robbyx
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Posted - 2009.08.06 01:14:00 -
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Personally, i feel pity for ninja salvagers...after all, they are the equivalent of bums, going through other peoples garbage to sc**** a living.
Its pretty much the lowest form of ISK making in EVE....but im sure some lamer will come here and start spouting " oh man i make so much ISK going through others garbage, you noobs are just jealous"....but seriously, you're a bum.
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robbyx
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Posted - 2009.08.06 01:15:00 -
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wow..i never knew s c r a p e was a swear word.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.06 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: robbyx
Personally, i feel pity for ninja salvagers...after all, they are the equivalent of bums, going through other peoples garbage to sc**** a living.
Its pretty much the lowest form of ISK making in EVE....but im sure some lamer will come here and start spouting " oh man i make so much ISK going through others garbage, you noobs are just jealous"....but seriously, you're a bum.
I wish I could get paid for my garbage 
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.08.06 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: robbyx
Personally, i feel pity for ninja salvagers...after all, they are the equivalent of bums, going through other peoples garbage to sc**** a living.
Its pretty much the lowest form of ISK making in EVE....but im sure some lamer will come here and start spouting " oh man i make so much ISK going through others garbage, you noobs are just jealous"....but seriously, you're a bum.
Most of the ninjas I know just do it for kicks while they engage in other more profitable exercises. It's actually mostly about the lulz from what I can tell.
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.06 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Nito Musashi on 06/08/2009 01:24:29
first off give us your stuff or better yet give me your stuff, since it is working as intended ccp is not going to do a darn thing about changing it.
second move out of busy hubs to quieter hubs might halp you not get scanned down, or conversely move to bigger hubs, bigger hubs tons of players running missions tons of mission for them to scan down less likely they will find your mission.
third, if they show up before you even get started warp out let them tank, go dock for 15 minutes and go make a snack or watch some pron or tv or something, they will eventually sooner rather than ater move on to a active mission spot if you show no indication of returning to your spot on a timely manner.
fourth, shoot the wrecks, if your deep into a mission and they are bugging you pop the wrecks from BS on down, can leave the frigs half the time you get squat out of them anyway. ninjas will say this makes them laugh, but really what is more fun than watching em make a bee line for the nearest battleship wreck and you blow it to hell as they zip towards it or are trying to salvage it. hell if they are going to try and take it ruin their isk per minute blow em all up.
not rocket science, some rather effective means to minimize your annoyance, or lest make it a waste of their time to bother your missions, maybe they wil make it a point to avoid you or war dec you.
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Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.08.06 01:53:00 -
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Threat to quit Eve +5
Terrible grammar -4
Want's CCP to change the game to suit his needs +2
Overall 3/10
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Janice Jankowski
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Posted - 2009.08.06 02:14:00 -
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Change petition to have scanning wrecks functional
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wickedpheonix
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2009.08.06 02:38:00 -
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If I invoke Godwin's Law, will these threads die?
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.06 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: liquidsteal
ps dont worry about me ,im on to a diff game if it isnt stopped .
whew. thanks for putting my mind at rest.
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Veebring Greetings
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Posted - 2009.08.06 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: liquidsteal
dont worry about me ,im on to a diff game if it isnt stopped .
Can I have your stuff?
It's an old EVE tradition, when leaving give away your assets to the first who asked 
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Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.06 04:27:00 -
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Yes, let's have it stopped. After all, wrecking the playstyles of people I don't like is the very essence of EvE. 
Also, successful troll is successful. 
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Faife
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.06 04:57:00 -
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i think it's a great idea, it could create absolutely safe spots in NPC 0.0. there's no possible downsides to this.
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.08.06 05:55:00 -
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BUY A MARAUDER
This is a SIMPLE thing.
2 Tractor beam = 40km.
2 T2 Salvagers = VERY quick salvage time.
Kill a ship, tractor/salvage while killing the next.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.08.06 06:29:00 -
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Today I was minding my own business while [insert random insipid Eve money-making activity that saps one's will to live] when I was set upon by [insert intelligent gamers who want to extract fun and entertainment from their gaming hours] who completely ruined my already wasted day by [insert actions which might seem unfair to a four yearold with no concept of the world beyond his mother's still freshly available mammary glands].
Now I'm upset because I think [insert rationalisation about said transgressions that only a world with GI Joe and Optimus Prime in it would demand justice for] and I don't see why a gaming world should reflect the most important rule that life is hard and that everyone has to fight every day to get somewhere in it.
I expect CCP to [insert self-righteous demand that would be far more detrimental to the entire Eve playerbase because I decided long ago that what I want is more important than what's good for Eve, especially if I kick and scream loud enough] and I want it now!
And nobody has a right to tell me I'm wrong because I've been doted on for the last 25 years by my parents who let me live in their [insert basement/attic] rent free because I refuse to work for a living or better myself with a useful education, and I never learned to take my knocks like a man, knuckle down and pull myself out of my own problems.
And I certainly won't ever face up to anyone else's opinion or check back on this whine thread to see what a colossal failure at life I am in the eyes of anyone remotely worth a damn. It's dinnertime now, so I'm off to suck on my mom's nipple.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.06 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Today I was minding my own business while [insert random insipid Eve money-making activity that saps one's will to live] when I was set upon by [insert intelligent gamers who want to extract fun and entertainment from their gaming hours] who completely ruined my already wasted day by [insert actions which might seem unfair to a four yearold with no concept of the world beyond his mother's still freshly available mammary glands].
Now I'm upset because I think [insert rationalisation about said transgressions that only a world with GI Joe and Optimus Prime in it would demand justice for] and I don't see why a gaming world should reflect the most important rule that life is hard and that everyone has to fight every day to get somewhere in it.
I expect CCP to [insert self-righteous demand that would be far more detrimental to the entire Eve playerbase because I decided long ago that what I want is more important than what's good for Eve, especially if I kick and scream loud enough] and I want it now!
And nobody has a right to tell me I'm wrong because I've been doted on for the last 25 years by my parents who let me live in their [insert basement/attic] rent free because I refuse to work for a living or better myself with a useful education, and I never learned to take my knocks like a man, knuckle down and pull myself out of my own problems.
And I certainly won't ever face up to anyone else's opinion or check back on this whine thread to see what a colossal failure at life I am in the eyes of anyone remotely worth a damn. It's dinnertime now, so I'm off to suck on my mom's nipple.
Color the [ Insertions ] Please, it makes my head hurt defining them from the rest of the paragraph
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.08.06 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest
Color the [ Insertions ] Please, it makes my head hurt defining them from the rest of the paragraph
Too much effort.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.08.06 07:08:00 -
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Petitions are nto allowed in the general forum.
Not even humorous ones 
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.08.06 08:21:00 -
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I have Recon waiting for me tonight.
I want to camp part 3/3 and pop ninja thief cov ops for grins.
But guess what.
I'm not in dodixie you fruitcake, I'm in a system where there are no ninjas and local doesn't go over twenty even on "war night". Look at your favourite corps agents... look for agents not in dodixie... oh look there's plenty. Now stop whining.
"but but but, I have to mission in dodixie or i can't sell my mission stuff a gabazillion isk...."
Oh cry me a river, that's why they are ninjaing in dodixie you twonk, the same profit motive.
Can we have a separate forum area for mission invasion whines? Can we call it "Somebody is in my mission, please laugh at my ineptitude."
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Spacing Cowboy
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:31:00 -
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This is a SIMPLE thing.
2 Tractor beam = 40km.
2 T2 Salvagers = VERY quick salvage time.
Kill a ship, tractor/salvage while killing the next.
How do you do that ? I can't (so far) let my salvage 1 work
on a wreck, and in the meanwhile shoot at a soon-to-be-wreck
is there a skill or trick to engage multiple targets in one go ?
More OT , could not care less for salvage ninja's , actually, there
should be a quick way , without fleeting somebody to "free" loot
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Anyura
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tittibum
Originally by: liquidsteal
ps dont worry about me ,im on to a diff game if it isnt stopped .
Fare thee well.
Can I salvage your stuff?
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Gunnanmon
Gallente
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: liquidsteal
You have all had it happen ,at least the people who work there own missions to make a living in EVE. ide like to have a show of err em hands to who likes and dont like this aspect of the game,lets see if the majority of players dont like it we can get ccp to stop it from happening. ps dont worry about me ,im on to a diff game if it isnt stopped .
Originally by: liquidsteal
You have all had it happen ,at least the people who work there own missions to make a living in EVE. ide like to have a show of err em hands to who likes and dont like this aspect of the game,lets see if the majority of players dont like it we can get ccp to stop it from happening. ps dont worry about me ,im on to a diff game if it isnt stopped .
I've done thousands of L4s and been scanned down twice. Once in low sec, and was duly popped (mainly due to my own stupidity), and once in high sec when a fight ensued. The guy vanished once I brought in a couple of alts and started tearing him apart.
Move to a quieter spot.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Spacing Cowboy
is there a skill or trick to engage multiple targets in one go ?
Well the obvious trick is to lock more than one target at a time.
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Sral TBear
Mark Of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:59:00 -
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hmmmmm
what i have to say
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Spurty
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 12:00:00 -
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er train up 'targeting' past level 0 ?
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
i for one, like 8's that look like 9's lol
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: liquidsteal
You have all had it happen ,at least the people who work there own missions to make a living in EVE. ide like to have a show of err em hands to who likes and dont like this aspect of the game,lets see if the majority of players dont like it we can get ccp to stop it from happening. ps dont worry about me ,im on to a diff game if it isnt stopped .
You can have instanced missions on the condition that you can't extract modules or ISK out of them into the external game.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.08.06 12:36:00 -
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I think the OP should be shot personally.
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Sub 7
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Posted - 2009.08.06 12:49:00 -
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Funniest thread I've read in a while. You guys...
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.08.06 12:54:00 -
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move on the other game you mentioned.
Eve is a sandbox and there is no real reason why a deadspace should be not scannable. No isolated spaces for carebears in eve -> good bye
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Arrs Grazznic
Pawn Sauce
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Posted - 2009.08.06 13:33:00 -
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As a long time mission runner I think the game mechanics are fine. If you are getting scanned down in missions GTFO of the mission hubs and you'll hardly be hassled.
Cheers,
Arrs
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Elvis Freeman
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Posted - 2009.08.06 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Caldera
Eve is a sandbox
Yes, but...
Isn't it really more like a spacebox, really?   
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.06 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 06/08/2009 13:45:54
Pick one:
SHOOT THE WRECKS!!!
If everyone would just shoot the wrecks when a so-called 'thief' enters, then noone would bother 'stealing' salvage.
DONT RUN MISSIONS FOR THE NAVY
If every moron runs missions for only a handful of corps, then why are you running missions for them? If you're in Dodixie, you're stupid.
SALVAGE AS YOU GO
Get a marauder for example.
WHY SHOULD YOU CARE?
Salvage shouldn't be such a big part of your income anyway if you're doing missions right.
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.08.06 13:39:00 -
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goodby dont come back \0
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Gunnanmon
Gallente
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.08.06 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gin G
goodby dont come back \0
You got teh warning.
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Pink Lilly
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Posted - 2009.08.06 13:49:00 -
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Eve is similar to RL, if you dont like RL, then you wont live Eve. My brother in law (AKA: the bum) steals my beer (Ninja salvage), broke stuff around my house (wardec?) and seems to come out of nowhere (NERF LOCAL Hah!).
Yes, Eve is a game that isnt perfect, but for the most part, its the most dynamic game out there and if you dont like it, leave. Geez, there are a ton of things that I dont like (To become balanced in Eve will take 18M of constant skill training: Level 4 mission runner, Hulk pilot, Cap Pilot[just barly], some recon, interceptors, etc)
I have near "rage quit" a few times (set long skill) and then came back (kewl, I can fly heavy dictors now!).
LOL
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BingBing Betty
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:00:00 -
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Devils Advocate: When did he mention salvaging? He wants scanning down missions stopped, for all you know they could be coming in and shooting his targets or making the mission incompletable..
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: BingBing Betty
Devils Advocate: When did he mention salvaging?
He didn't, which makes the idea even more stupid than usual.
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Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.08.06 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: robbyx
Personally, i feel pity for ninja salvagers...after all, they are the equivalent of bums, going through other peoples garbage to sc**** a living.
Its pretty much the lowest form of ISK making in EVE....but im sure some lamer will come here and start spouting " oh man i make so much ISK going through others garbage, you noobs are just jealous"....but seriously, you're a bum.
I do it for the war decs.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Originally by: robbyx
Personally, i feel pity for ninja salvagers...after all, they are the equivalent of bums, going through other peoples garbage to sc**** a living.
Its pretty much the lowest form of ISK making in EVE....but im sure some lamer will come here and start spouting " oh man i make so much ISK going through others garbage, you noobs are just jealous"....but seriously, you're a bum.
I do it for the war decs.
lol free PvP? Nice idea =)
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:26:00 -
[54]
Here's a guide to posting on forums on the internet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9q2jNjOPdk
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Malcheus
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Spacing Cowboy
This is a SIMPLE thing.
2 Tractor beam = 40km.
2 T2 Salvagers = VERY quick salvage time.
Kill a ship, tractor/salvage while killing the next.
How do you do that ? I can't (so far) let my salvage 1 work
on a wreck, and in the meanwhile shoot at a soon-to-be-wreck
is there a skill or trick to engage multiple targets in one go ?
More OT , could not care less for salvage ninja's , actually, there
should be a quick way , without fleeting somebody to "free" loot
It's a skill called "targeting", it lets you target multiple things at once.
And the trick of salvaging and killing at the same time is mostly done by flying marauders.
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Eldern Minderhost
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Posted - 2009.08.06 15:47:00 -
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Go away. Don't come back. Your tears are precious to me, but not worth the annoyance you cause.
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Salliene
Gallente
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
Look, it is quite simple, low sec piracy is broken and CCP don't have any ideas on fixing it. But teenage boys need something to show how tough and macho the are, so they get can flipping and salvage theft. Just ignore them till they grow some balls and head out to 0.0 or, as is more likely, go and play Hello Kitty Online.
Finally! Someone understands us!
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Posted - 2009.08.06 17:54:00 -
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crai more
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.08.06 18:43:00 -
[59]
Originally by: liquidsteal
You have all had it happen ,at least the people who work there own missions to make a living in EVE. ide like to have a show of err em hands to who likes and dont like this aspect of the game,lets see if the majority of players dont like it we can get ccp to stop it from happening. ps dont worry about me ,im on to a diff game if it isnt stopped .
Majority rule? You think that if 51% of players want to nerf the other 49% they should be allowed to?
The fighting republicans stand for freedom and the rule of law. Democracy is for communists. I'll see you in your missions.
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Lucious McFarsight
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Posted - 2009.08.06 19:00:00 -
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I am not trying to offend those that might take this offensively. But, if you are running missions in any .4 sys or lower you are and should remain free game for any pirate or person who has a triger happy finger. Thats the risk you take for using a better agent, doing better missions and earning more money. Without taking risks, there would be no point playing this game. Note that I am a mission runner and I am technicaly hurting myself with that statement, but its just how the game is meant to be played..
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Posted - 2009.08.06 19:28:00 -
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Inform me of what game your going to so I can be sure to make a character and steal the mobs and their loot out from under you there as well.
Originally by: Whitehound
If I think, but I do not.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.08.06 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 06/08/2009 14:02:12
Okay I'm probably the biggest carebear in the game, but it irks me every time this topic is brought up, because you can deal with this problem in so many easy ways, it's not even funny.
Pick one:
SHOOT EM ALL!!! THE WRECKS, STUPID!
If everyone would just shoot the wrecks when a so-called 'thief' enters, then noone would bother 'stealing' salvage.
I like to ensure that you pop each and every wreck, even if that includes going to the next room. Oh and its obvious when a big, big ship is getting ready to warp out.
MONKEY SEE, MONKEY DONT!
If every monkey runs missions for only a handful of corps (AKA the NAVY), then why are you running missions for them too? If you're in Dodixie, you're stupid. Plenty of better corps out there to run missions for!
Yeah I've looking for those sweet spots as well since every one is moving to the quiet systems. Thank you Eve agents.com!
SALVAGE-O-MATIC
AKA Marauder. Get one.
I agree, it makes it really easy for me to salvage when I sit underneath it and target whatever he pulls in. Don't mind the fact that its a plus that those things have a sig radius from heel allowing us to scan you in all of 10 seconds.
RENT-A-NOOB
Fetch some noob to salvage for you in exchange for a share of the profit. Bonus: You don't have to worry about salvaging and can complete missions faster.
this is a pretty valid point, hopefully considering the guys is legit and just doesn't take it all at the end anyways. Even then its occasionally fun to rush for that one piece that he hadn't gotten yet anyways.
CARE, BEAR?
Salvage shouldn't be such a big part of your income anyway if you're doing missions right.
But they do care, and they come here to tell their sad sad stories. For some of us this is the real reason why we do it, not for the loot, but to watch people freak out. I didn't believe other pirates about the feeling you get when these reactions pop up but I was amazed when I got a threat on my second hit.
Originally by: Whitehound
If I think, but I do not.
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Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2009.08.06 19:46:00 -
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My money is on the fact that he got popped in low-sec, and I may or may not have confirmation of this with something that may or may not be battleclinic. I think that probing people down in missions is a completely valid tactic, otherwise you would start getting people hiding in invulnerable safes.
P.S. I would like to congratulate the final stand for something they can probably guess at, confirm that Hagilur is a bad place to run missions, and tell the OP that medium guns, missile launchers, shield tank, and the use of three lows for hull and armor tank, and a T1 BCU is a bad idea when fitting a megathron that the OP may, or may not have been flying.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 20:22:00 -
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yea the ninja pokes fun as us shooting wrecks and such, well yes it is hilarious, either you take it all and we get little or nothing if we were going to salvage it, or i watch you zip around and shoot everything your attempting to salvage since i am not going to get it anyway.
and who gives a flying fig about loot, yes some loot is nice if your lucky enough to pull a great t1 named gun out of a large wreck that can be a mil or few in your wallet but those are rare as hen's teeth. more likely when we are shooting wrecks we are shooting loot that has little or no value next to the mission bounties and lp.
woo you ninja's are so clever yes waste 10 15 minutes "annoying" a pilot, most of which dont say jack about it and just do, even more of them could care less either way, and even fewer ever bother to troll the forums. wreck shooting is killing your isk printer while they still get bounties and LP for actually doing the mission, and heck they can do missions faster because now they not salvaging or looting.
yea marauders have huge sig, they also can tractor salvage and loot on the fly while blowing things up, keep your pocket tidy with em and 80% of the time a ninja shows up there is not much left for them to ninja.
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Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 06/08/2009 14:02:12
Okay I'm probably the biggest carebear in the game...
Well clearly she isn't, but seriously if Ankhesentapemkah thinks someone is a whiney carebear, ffs....
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Posted - 2009.08.06 21:24:00 -
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63 responces and not one of you could even answer the question. It was very simple. I just ask for a show of hands on if one liked or didnt like that aspect of the game.you know like a vote, oh well ask for a stupid yes or no vote and get a crapload of stupid replies, will I ever learn, Not even worth it. dont even bother replying im not reading it.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 21:31:00 -
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All I do on my main account is missions and I have never been scanned down. Maybe they dont look for battlecruisers, perhaps when I move from l3 to l4 i will see this problem more.
For now i can say honestly out of the hundreds of missions I have ran, not once has anyone scanned me down.
Then again i dont mission in Jita
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.06 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: liquidsteal
63 responces and not one of you could even answer the question. It was very simple. I just ask for a show of hands on if one liked or didnt like that aspect of the game.you know like a vote, oh well ask for a stupid yes or no vote and get a crapload of stupid replies, will I ever learn, Not even worth it. dont even bother replying im not reading it.
You got your answers. People just expressed what they thought of the question while giving them.
If you don't like the answers, don't ask the question.
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Selective Pressure
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Posted - 2009.08.06 21:33:00 -
[69]
When you click that little arrow in the bottom right of your screen that says "undock", you consent to being asploded by anything within the game mechanics.
Deal.
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.08.06 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Yassir
P.S. I would like to congratulate the final stand for something they can probably guess at, confirm that Hagilur is a bad place to run missions, and tell the OP that medium guns, missile launchers, shield tank, and the use of three lows for hull and armor tank, and a T1 BCU is a bad idea when fitting a megathron that the OP may, or may not have been flying.
Not sure whats worse, that fit or the fact that it took 7 people to blow it up.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Yassir
My money is on the fact that he got popped in low-sec, and I may or may not have confirmation of this with something that may or may not be battleclinic
On seeing the kill in question, I'd say you should submit it to the WDA guys — with a fit like that, you may or may not win several million thousand ISK!
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
New Eden Research Posted - 2009.08.06 22:55:00 - [70] - QuoteReport
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P.S. I would like to congratulate the final stand for something they can probably guess at, confirm that Hagilur is a bad place to run missions, and tell the OP that medium guns, missile launchers, shield tank, and the use of three lows for hull and armor tank, and a T1 BCU is a bad idea when fitting a megathron that the OP may, or may not have been flying.
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Not sure whats worse, that fit or the fact that it took 7 people to blow it up.
Tippia
raddick Explorations
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On seeing the kill in question, I'd say you should submit it to the WDA guys ù with a fit like that, you may or may not win several million thousand ISK!
damn You 2 are on the ball ,cant read and dont know ****,did you even look at the date of "On seeing the kill in question" 2008.08.17 22:13:00 almost a year ago gosh yer intelligent,and did anyone say i got killled no,did i say iwas in low sec no, reading the idiotic responces to questions is almost funny,ill bet yer the kind of morons that if someone breaks a fingernail where ya work by the time it makes the rounds there dead and buried, get a life people
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Posted - 2009.08.07 20:44:00 -
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Didja Resub wow yet? What server you gonna be on?
Originally by: Whitehound
If I think, but I do not.
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Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.07 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: liquidsteal
dont know ****
It may be ****, but it's more than you know. In particular, I know how to quote, which is always helpful.
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did you even look at the date
Irrelevant, as you would have understood if you had read the exchange.
Also, congratulations on destroying your own position by not only failing to provide any kind of reasoning or argumentation, but going for personal insults when reality didn't agree with you.
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Trinity Council
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Posted - 2009.08.07 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: liquidsteal
You have all had it happen ,at least the people who work there own missions to make a living in EVE. ide like to have a show of err em hands to who likes and dont like this aspect of the game,lets see if the majority of players dont like it we can get ccp to stop it from happening. ps dont worry about me ,im on to a diff game if it isnt stopped .
your stuff i can haz?
Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
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Voridor Malevolence
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Posted - 2009.08.08 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: liquidsteal
63 responces and not one of you could even answer the question.
Man, no one cares enough about your question to answer it.
Originally by: liquidsteal
will I ever learn
Probably not.
Originally by: liquidsteal
dont even bother replying im not reading it.
 Yes you will.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.08 02:06:00 -
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I agree with the OP:
You should not be allowed to take salvage that belongs to me.
However, I've never had the salvage I actually own (read. In my hanger, cargo, etc) stolen from me, so I don't see a problem here.
Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.08.08 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Spacing Cowboy
This is a SIMPLE thing.
2 Tractor beam = 40km.
2 T2 Salvagers = VERY quick salvage time.
Kill a ship, tractor/salvage while killing the next.
How do you do that ? I can't (so far) let my salvage 1 work
on a wreck, and in the meanwhile shoot at a soon-to-be-wreck
is there a skill or trick to engage multiple targets in one go ?
More OT , could not care less for salvage ninja's , actually, there
should be a quick way , without fleeting somebody to "free" loot
You...what? You seriously haven't figured out how to target more targets, and how to engage them with different modules? You ever tried CLICKING the target windows perhance?
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Posted - 2009.08.08 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: liquidsteal
You have all had it happen ,at least the people who work there own missions to make a living in EVE. ide like to have a show of err em hands to who likes and dont like this aspect of the game,lets see if the majority of players dont like it we can get ccp to stop it from happening. ps dont worry about me ,im on to a diff game if it isnt stopped .
I just want to say goodbye and can I have your stuff? Because there is no way that they will change it, that would allow people too run missions in low and null sec with no risk
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Feilamya
Pelennor Swarm
THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.08.08 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: liquidsteal
You have all had it happen ,at least the people who work there own missions to make a living in EVE.
Not long ago, a whole bunch of players who worked and made a living in EVE were banned, and rightfully so.
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Darquies Shade
Minmatar
Accelerated Learning Inc.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2009.08.08 15:46:00 -
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oh great googly moogly
so peeps think it's funny that "carebears" are upset that salvage thieves can come in and steal the salvage.
to me the funny thing is that these kinda threads were all around. but they were for Ore thieves, a long time ago. Sure Everybody would say(well mainly the ore thieves) Don't Jet-can. and you had the "carebears" saying, it's not fair. But eventually It was changed(now we have can-flipping, (ur still allowed to shoot said can-flipper and he and only he can shoot you, that is until you take from his can, then his crew can then shoot ya).
My point. I have a feeling if enough people complain bout this, CCP will change it. I feel eventually CCP will make salvage stealing just like ore stealing. But who knows.
for me personally, i just want em flagged as if they were stealing ore out of a can. that way they could still do it, but there's a greater risk to the salvage thieves. As of now, the only risk they take is from npc rats or(if they are in a player corp) could be wardeked.
Can you all agree to that, or would that be wrong?(lol i would wonder if the salvage thieves would want this, or would they start compliaining like "carebears" HMMM)
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.08 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 08/08/2009 15:51:35
Originally by: Darquies Shade
oh great googly moogly
so peeps think it's funny that "carebears" are upset that salvage thieves can come in and steal the salvage.
to me the funny thing is that these kinda threads were all around. but they were for Ore thieves, a long time ago. Sure Everybody would say(well mainly the ore thieves) Don't Jet-can. and you had the "carebears" saying, it's not fair. But eventually It was changed(now we have can-flipping, (ur still allowed to shoot said can-flipper and he and only he can shoot you, that is until you take from his can, then his crew can then shoot ya).
My point. I have a feeling if enough people complain bout this, CCP will change it. I feel eventually CCP will make salvage stealing just like ore stealing. But who knows.
for me personally, i just want em flagged as if they were stealing ore out of a can. that way they could still do it, but there's a greater risk to the salvage thieves. As of now, the only risk they take is from npc rats or(if they are in a player corp) could be wardeked.
Can you all agree to that, or would that be wrong?(lol i would wonder if the salvage thieves would want this, or would they start compliaining like "carebears" HMMM)
how bout we compromise:
Salvage stays non-flaggable, so that new players can salvage belt wrecks and such, but mission deadspaces are treated as lo-sec so that you can shoot ghetto welfare-cheat child-abused ninja salvagers all day long if it suits you.
There: everybody wins.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.08.08 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Today I was minding my own business while [insert random insipid Eve money-making activity that saps one's will to live] when I was set upon by [insert intelligent gamers who want to extract fun and entertainment from their gaming hours] who completely ruined my already wasted day by [insert actions which might seem unfair to a four year old with no concept of the world beyond his mother's still freshly available mammary glands].
Now I'm upset because I think [insert rationalisation about said transgressions that only a world with GI Joe and Optimus Prime in it would demand justice for] and I don't see why a gaming world should reflect the most important rule that life is hard and that everyone has to fight every day to get somewhere in it.
I expect CCP to [insert self-righteous demand that would be far more detrimental to the entire Eve playerbase because I decided long ago that what I want is more important than what's good for Eve, especially if I kick and scream loud enough] and I want it now!
And nobody has a right to tell me I'm wrong because I've been doted on for the last 25 years by my parents who let me live in their [insert basement/attic] rent free because I refuse to work for a living or better myself with a useful education, and I never learned to take my knocks like a man, knuckle down and pull myself out of my own problems.
And I certainly won't ever face up to anyone else's opinion or check back on this whine thread to see what a colossal failure at life I am in the eyes of anyone remotely worth a damn. It's dinnertime now, so I'm off to suck on my mom's nipple.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
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Darquies Shade
Minmatar
Accelerated Learning Inc.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2009.08.08 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Edited by: Malcanis on 08/08/2009 15:51:35
how bout we compromise:
Salvage stays non-flaggable, so that new players can salvage belt wrecks and such, but mission deadspaces are treated as lo-sec so that you can shoot ghetto welfare-cheat child-abused ninja salvagers all day long if it suits you.
There: everybody wins.
hmmm, i really don't see how that helps the mission runners, lets try this then
compromise: Salvage is flaggable and mission deadspace is treated like lowsec. How about that, would you agree to that?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.08 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 08/08/2009 16:25:48
Originally by: Darquies Shade
so peeps think it's funny that "carebears" are upset that salvage thieves can come in and steal the salvage.
No. People think it's funny that carebears are upset that other professions exist, and that carebears thinks something that isn't theirs can be stolen.
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My point. I have a feeling if enough people complain bout this, CCP will change it. I feel eventually CCP will make salvage stealing just like ore stealing. But who knows.
Quite possible, but the carebears won't be happy with the change since it will create far more missed income than what we see now.
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Can you all agree to that, or would that be wrong?
Sure, if you can provide a suggestion on how to nerf missions (both in terms of decreased rewards and increased risks) to compensate.
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hmmm, i really don't see how that helps the mission runners
It allows them to shoot unwanted visitors — exactly what they claim they've wanted all along.
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Darquies Shade
Minmatar
Accelerated Learning Inc.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2009.08.08 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
No. People think it's funny that carebears are upset that other professions exist, and that carebears thinks something that isn't theirs can be stolen.
hmmm, have to disagree with ya. did you make the wreck? is it your mission? So lets make salvage thieving flaggable?
Originally by: Tippia
Sure, if you can provide a suggestion on how to nerf missions (both in terms of decreased rewards and increased risks) to compensate.
don't understand your tiff with mission runners or anybody else you deem "carebear", they're not taking anything from you, how are they affecting you? don't you have every right/opportunity to run missions yourselves?
Originally by: Tippia
It allows them to shoot unwanted visitors ù exactly what they claim they've wanted all along.
actually it allows the salvage thieves to bring thier friends, unlike it being flaggable, where only the thief can retailliate(unless he can flips).
And furthermore, what I wanted all along is to have salvage theft flaggable, what's wrong with that. you can shoot me back if I shoot at you, i mean if you want to take the risk at being a thief. . .
Bottom line is i would like to see salvage thieves not be allowed to steal salvage w/o player consequences. besides the ones i mentioned b4, if you steal from me, shouldn't i have a right to protect what's mine, or what i made(and pls don't tell me the CCP says it's not stealing, they said that bout ore theft, and look what happened)
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.08 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Darquies Shade
hmmm, have to disagree with ya. did you make the wreck? is it your mission? So lets make salvage thieving flaggable?
Have to counter-disagree. Did you already get plenty of rewards for killing the ship? Do you also already get rewards for the mission? If you're too lazy to get the salvage, you haven't earned it.
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don't understand your tiff with mission runners or anybody else you deem "carebear", they're not taking anything from you, how are they affecting you? don't you have every right/opportunity to run missions yourselves?
Ah. Welcome to EVE — a single-universe game, where everything you do affects me. Your creation of ISK out of thin air reduces the value of mine. Your creation of loot and/or minerals reduces the value of mine and devalues the work of miners and manufacturers. The carebears are taking things from me and since missions are not competetive, there is no way to limit this disruptive and destructive behaviour.
The problem with carebears is exactly that attitude: they falsely think they live in a bubble; that what they do have no repercusions; that they should be allowed to exist separate from the rest of the universe. In essence, they don't want to play EVE, yet try to change the game into something that suites them.
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actually it allows the salvage thieves to bring thier friends
Tough. You want to kill invaders for no good reason? Then they should be allowed to kill you for the same reason. You want to kill someone who has done nothing wrong, so why shouldn't he be allowed to kill you?
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And furthermore, what I wanted all along is to have salvage theft flaggable, what's wrong with that.
Apart from the fact that it's not theft? Apart from the fact that salvage isn't part of the mission rewards? Apart from the fact that you want to buff the one activity in EVE that definitely does not need it?
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if you want to take the risk at being a thief
The risks for the salvager are exactly the same as for the mission runner.
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i would like to see salvage thieves not be allowed to steal salvage w/o player consequences
This is already the case. If someone steals your salvage, you can shoot them. Even so, it's really your fault for letting them do it.
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Lord Wamphyri
Amarr
Starside Lost
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Posted - 2009.08.08 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Darquies Shade
Bottom line is i would like to see salvage thieves not be allowed to steal salvage w/o player consequences. besides the ones i mentioned b4, if you steal from me, shouldn't i have a right to protect what's mine, or what i made(and pls don't tell me the CCP says it's not stealing, they said that bout ore theft, and look what happened)
I remember exactly what happened when they made stealing stuff from cans flaggable.. the miner/mission runner etc suddenly found themselves in a situation a lot worse than before.. you really want to extend that to salvaging too?
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Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.08.08 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
Look, it is quite simple, low sec piracy is broken and CCP don't have any ideas on fixing it. But teenage boys need something to show how tough and macho the are, so they get can flipping and salvage theft. Just ignore them till they grow some balls and head out to 0.0 or, as is more likely, go and play Hello Kitty Online.
I really don't get this hardon people have for 0.0. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to be part of the good ole' primary, pop, primary, pop, primary, pop, lag... pop... primary... lag... lag... ctd... log back in... oh I'm in a station 58 jumps away.
0.0 isn't for everyone, and dare I say it, it is REALLY ****ING BORING for most of the pvpers who live in low-sec. Not a value judgment, juts a statement. And that caliber of the pvp that occurs in low-sec, for the most part (having lived in both 0.0 and low-sec) is actually better than what I typically found in 0.0.
But the 0.0 dwellers/people who don't actually pvp will continue, I suppose, to say that 0.0 pvp is l33t3r than low-sec pvp. This is because they push their function keys harder than me.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.08 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Darquies Shade
Originally by: Malcanis
Edited by: Malcanis on 08/08/2009 15:51:35
how bout we compromise:
Salvage stays non-flaggable, so that new players can salvage belt wrecks and such, but mission deadspaces are treated as lo-sec so that you can shoot ghetto welfare-cheat child-abused ninja salvagers all day long if it suits you.
There: everybody wins.
hmmm, i really don't see how that helps the mission runners,
Well it means that they can shoot anyone who 'invades' their mission, even before they start 'stealing' the salvage. That's basically what they've been asking for, isn't it? If the deadspace is lo-sec, why would it matter if salvaging was flaggable or not?
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