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Xikuan
Minmatar
New Furia
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:31:00 -
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I replied to a topic about adjusting the EVE visuals to enable AA & HDR with the NVIDIA Control Panel.
It got a couple of thankyou replies but also a couple of "WTF it didn't work" replies.
So I decided to put together a small visual guide to show how to adjust the quality for EVE via the stock NVIDIA control panel. - No third party software required -
Here it is:
Download (EVE Files) Thankyou Chribba for EVE files.
For those of you who know your way around the NVIDIA CP, or just don't want to download the visual guide here is what I put in my original post:
- Adjust EVE Video options (in client) for image quality, including HDR
- Head to NVIDIA Control Panel
- 3D Settings
- Manage 3D Settings
- Program Settings
- Select EVE Online
- Anisotropic filtering = 16x
- Antialiasing - Mode = Override any application setting
- Antialiasing - Setting = 16xQ
- Antialiasing - Transparency = Supersampling
- Texture filtering - Anisotropic sample optimization = Off
- Texture filtering - Negative LOD bias = Clamp
- Texture filtering - Quality = High Quality
- Texture filtering - Trilinear optimization = Off
Also, if you don't download the visual guide, here is a little note from it:
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Please remember:
I am not responsible for any damages that may be the result of following this guide.
Do not submit bug reports to CCP about graphical glitches or anomalies if you have adjusted driver options.
I will do my best to help anyone that asks, but sometimes it may just be beyond my knowledge to be able to assist.
Even if the guide helps only one person to enjoy EVE more it would of been worth my time.
Safe flying,
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Max Torps
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.06 00:42:00 -
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Looks good. I'll give that a shot tomorrow.
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wickedpheonix
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2009.08.06 02:29:00 -
[3]
+1 sticky please
will try when I get home to my 8800 ultra in a few weeks.
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21 Salvager
Minmatar
We Are Still Alive
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Posted - 2009.08.06 02:40:00 -
[4]
Does AA ever work in windowed mode?
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.06 03:37:00 -
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this worked for me thanks much, nothing i did with nhancer ever did anything no matter what i did, did this used the exact same settings get 70ish fps no matter where i am with much much prettier looking lines and ships.
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Xikuan
Minmatar
New Furia
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Posted - 2009.08.06 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: 21 Salvager
Does AA ever work in windowed mode?
It's a mixed bag. AA does work for me in windowed mode, but I take a LARGE performance hit. Others have reported that AA doesn't work at all when running it in a window. Unfortunatly, without lots of users reporting system information I can't make any conclusions about if it is tied to certain generation of cards, a certain driver revision, a particular OS and driver combo, or what?
Perhaps if anyone that tries this could report back with their system information we would get a little table going, but I don't think this thread will get that much attention.
I have included a screenshot of my system information in the guide as a reference.
But here:
Windows 7 RC1 x64
Nvidia Drivers: 186.35
Nvidia GTX 275
AA & HDR in fullscreen = Yes, 16xQ
AA & HDR in window = Yes, 16xQ (but AA would need to be lowered in order to be playable on this card)
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Skalet
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Posted - 2009.08.06 03:59:00 -
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nvidia 9600gs 512 meg ram card.
did your adjustments, works great .
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Rezaa
Eternum Pariah
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Posted - 2009.08.06 07:58:00 -
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Better than no AA. but not as good as when nHancer was working. Im sure this will help a number of people.
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Peeh
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Posted - 2009.08.06 08:56:00 -
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Can someone post before and after pics?
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Falcon Troy
Caldari
LOCALSPIKE LLC.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 09:34:00 -
[10]
Didn't do a thing for me...
8800GT with the latest drivers. 
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.08.06 09:36:00 -
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It's a nice guide, but the next step is still trying to troubleshoot why it does not work for some people. I can of course help, but first I need to get it to work myself. I'll try grabbing exactly your driver, but I have a very distinct feeling that it will not matter at all, based on experience.
It used to work for me with nHancer in the past, but from one day to the next it suddenly stopped working. No video driver update was made at the time, and no EVE patch either. Ever since then, I haven't been able to get it to work - neither with nor without nHancer, neither on WinXp nor on Win7. I have simply no clue why.
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Cpt Farnham
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.08.06 10:28:00 -
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8800 GTS 512mb with year old drivers, vista 32bit
AA and HDR windowed = yes
AA and HDR full screen = didn't try
Eve happily chugged away with two clients running, i have though encountered a problem where i can't start eve in anything other than the safe mode option via the games console since making the change.
I've reset the NCP back to the defaults for eve though this has made no change, i'll be updating the drivers for the card tonight and doing the usual clear the cache etc.
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Xikuan
Minmatar
New Furia
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:12:00 -
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I have updated to the latest drivers.So am now running 190.38
The NVIDIA CP appears to hate me. I can not effect EVE application settings from the control panel.
Any change will not make any effect.
This was not due to the driver update though. I tried to adjust the settings and lower the AA along with other quality settings before the update, No dice.
I had never tried to change them back before, it was only when I went to adjust them back to make comparision screenshots.
It would be REALLY great, if you decide to make the changes and follow the guide, to provide before and after screenshots along with system information.
I will edit my first post to reflect this and put a bit more of a warning.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:34:00 -
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So what you mean to say is:
- It works for you with 190.38, except that:
- You can no longer turn AA *off*? 
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Sim Cognito
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:38:00 -
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Thanks for sharing mate eve looks ***ING AWESOME now.There is one problem however.Anti aliasing doesnt work with HDR.Do you have any suggestions?
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Leviathan9
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Leviathan9 on 06/08/2009 11:57:06
I can't get it to work.
W7 RC 64bit
GTX 280 1gb (182.50 drivers)
8gb RAM
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Stardust Heavy Industries
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.06 12:12:00 -
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I tried it and it changed eve the following:
I now have way more intense colors
Bloom finally looks like in Videos
I cant tab between two Clients anymore
No AA either
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Xikuan
Minmatar
New Furia
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Posted - 2009.08.07 01:32:00 -
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I didn't realise the results would be so varied.
I have been playing, after the driver update and reset of the in-game graphics settings. All is well.
One thing I have noticed is that shadows are negatively effected.
To be completely honest, I don't think any of the issues can be resolved.
If it works for you, I'm happy I could help, if it doesn't, I'm sorry I don't think there's anything I can do.
I will let you decide if it's worth your trouble.
I have taken some screenshots. These have not been touched in anyway. Directly from fraps.
They are Minmatar ships so they have plenty of lines and edges.
Download Screenshots
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.07 01:46:00 -
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I tried the method exactly like posted but alas it did the same as always and I had to turn hdr off to get aa to work. 9800gtx latest drivers etc. However I will note the latest release will let me use aa in a windowed client so thats a plus.
Originally by: Zaqar
Anyway, you don't have to be Einstein to play Eve - a quick glance over the forums will tell you that -
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.07 01:47:00 -
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i got an 8800gts, i run full screen, i run one client period.
far as hdr + AA not working for some of you you do need to have an 8xxxx series card or better to be able to run AA and hdr at the same time.
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Grishius
Amarr
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.07 01:52:00 -
[21]
It works if you're blind. None of those screenshots you had packed have AA on.
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Xikuan
Minmatar
New Furia
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Posted - 2009.08.07 02:36:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Grishius
It works if you're blind. None of those screenshots you had packed have AA on.
LMFAO.  uploaded wrong file.
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Dr Jamius
Gallente
NEW EDEN CLEANING SERVICES INC.
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Posted - 2009.08.07 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Jamius on 07/08/2009 03:25:11
Vista Premium 32 bit. 9800GTX+ card. Full screen mode AA+HDR works brilliantly with fps 100-250. Doesn't work with the 190.38 drivers.
Never tried windowed mode, I've not requirement to use it.
I use the archived 186.18 drivers.
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Disunia Vertas
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Posted - 2009.08.07 13:13:00 -
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I have a GTX 295 with the newest drivers. AA+HDR has worked for me before, but this time I can't seem to get even just AA without HDR working. Changing the settings over the nVidia panel did not work, neither does nHancer with Oblivion/Fallout set as AA compatibility option. I tried MS, SS, combined, combined SLI...nothing works.
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Saint VII
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.08.07 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Saint VII on 07/08/2009 14:45:01
Guys. HDR doesn't do anything in this game. There is no sense really in struggling to get it working with AA/AF because it doesn't do anything.
I spent several days roaming the universe looking for ANY scene in which HDR did anything. Here are the results:
clickie
The screenshots linked in OP would like exactly the same with HDR turned off. I'm not sure what CCP thinks it is supposed to be doing, but the only thing it accomplishes is to make the bloom effect on solar system backgrounds less severe. And you could accopmlish the same thing by adjusting the Bloom yourself.
I absolutely welcome anyone to show me a pair of screenshots with HDR on and off, that gives any indication that it is anything more than a checkbox in the Settings UI.
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Xikuan
Minmatar
New Furia
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Posted - 2009.08.08 04:55:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Saint VII
Edited by: Saint VII on 07/08/2009 14:45:01
Guys. HDR doesn't do anything in this game. There is no sense really in struggling to get it working with AA/AF because it doesn't do anything.
Whether this is true or not, I don't know.
But with the choice of having either HDR or AA I am going for AA. Like you mentioned, adjusting bloom has a much larger effect on the lighting in game.
At the very least, this thread has managed to let people know how to enable AA. Even if on some drivers you need to disable the in game HDR option.
Regards,
X
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.08.08 07:33:00 -
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Saint VII "Guys. HDR doesn't do anything in this game. There is no sense really in struggling to get it working with AA/AF because it doesn't do anything."
That's not true I can instantly tell when HDR is on or off there is a massive difference if it's working. If you cannot tell the difference then I would say it's not working on your system.
Ship engines and inside star bases are massively different with HDR. Well depends on the star base its far more noticeable in the bases with lights beams on the platform under the ship pointing directly at the ship.
In a blind text I can 100% tell when HDR is off or on.
As for the new drivers I gave up on them. After rolling back to the last version HDR and FSAA again. In fact I couldn't even get FSAA to work without HDR with the new drivers.
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Trathen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.08 19:49:00 -
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OP: I don't know how to put it nicely because you're trying to be helpful, but that's not a helpful guide. Everyone should know how to change 3d settings from the nVidia control panel. The problem is what you are having now; it doesn't work with HDR on.
Before some newer version of Eve (I've been away), you could set the compatibility mode to f000045 and it would work fine, but the preview pane and ship fitting window would not be anti-aliased. Now, the ship fitting and preview windows are anti-aliased and the rest of the game is not. I imagine we could start messing with the numbers again.
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Mova B
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Posted - 2009.08.08 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Mova B on 08/08/2009 20:01:42
Originally by: 21 Salvager
Does AA ever work in windowed mode?
It does. Full screen windowed mode, no sync on. Performance is the same than with fullscreen.
Only trouble is that when you boot up another account, the AA stops working straight away. It has been like that since Trinity came and nothing helps it.
Also from fall 2008, I have noticed very irritating cutting on most of the curved objects and edges of objects, nothing can help on this - it's nvidias new 'freature' to make your head explode. Confirmed by nvidia staff. They do not know what is causing it and they can't do anything to fix it. 8800 serie sure is great since it's powerfull, but the quality of textures and graphics is simply terrible.
That problem is most likely the reason why traces were removed from ships and drones in eve..
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Epegi Givo
Amarr
Araja clan
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Posted - 2009.08.09 06:25:00 -
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Its not working.
I have a GeForce 9600 GT
Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit
Downloaded the latest drivers (190.something)
Went to the Nvidia CP (Yes, the game scroller was on EVE-online, yes, all the options were exactly as you said.)
Had HDR off, all other EVE-online graphic settings set to max.
So, any idea what's wrong?
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Priwien
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:26:00 -
[31]
Why has'nt AA option been put into the game itself ?? maybe it will arrive in a patch ??
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.08.09 11:53:00 -
[32]
It wasn't put in because AA and HDR don't play nice together in DirectX 9. CCP could put in an option to force it on, but then they would be obliged to get it working without the artifacts many people see. More time and money to fix than that it pays off. Issue will resolve itself in a few years with the directX 11/12 version of EVE.
Originally by: Signature
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Liberi Fatalius
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.08.09 13:30:00 -
[33]
dosen't do anything for me 
8800GT
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Saint VII
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.08.10 04:31:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Pottsey
Saint VII "Guys. HDR doesn't do anything in this game. There is no sense really in struggling to get it working with AA/AF because it doesn't do anything."
That's not true I can instantly tell when HDR is on or off there is a massive difference if it's working. If you cannot tell the difference then I would say it's not working on your system.
Would love to see some screenshots. Thanks!
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Van Diesell
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Posted - 2009.08.10 07:17:00 -
[35]
My laptop is 9600M GS.
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Kravek
Lamb Federation Navy
C0VEN
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Posted - 2009.08.10 08:31:00 -
[36]
190.38 are broken.
Use 186 if you want force AA.
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Akoudoulos
Maza Nostra
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Posted - 2009.08.10 08:45:00 -
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Look CCP we are bug hunting, stress testing your engine
did that, problem was that when i runned more than 2 clients the pc kept lagging like mad, even desktop had 1 frame per 3 secs, and i am not sure there was any difference
windows 7 64bit, GTX285
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.08.10 10:21:00 -
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Saint VII said "Would love to see some screenshots. Thanks!"
I just spent a while trying to get screenshots and have given up. No matter what I cannot get the settings to turn off. Even with HDR and bloom off there is clear bloom and HDR. Shadows are also broken and have been ever since CCP removed the shadow quality options.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.08.10 12:49:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Robert Caldera on 10/08/2009 12:52:17
endless discussions about activating one of the most usual features nowadays for the eve client must be a shame for CCP...
I've never got AA working in my windowed eve, just sad.
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Saint VII
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.08.10 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Saint VII said "Would love to see some screenshots. Thanks!"
I just spent a while trying to get screenshots and have given up. No matter what I cannot get the settings to turn off. Even with HDR and bloom off there is clear bloom and HDR. Shadows are also broken and have been ever since CCP removed the shadow quality options.
Hrm. Well that would mean we at least agree on one thing: clicking the HDR checkbox on and off does nothing. Is it possible you are seeing things that you assume are HDR, but really aren't? For example, in the other thread I linked, I have noticed people tend to assume that specular lighting has something to do with HDR, which it does not.
To others: I do have the newest nVidia drivers and I have no problem forcing AA to stay on. However, once you've saved the profile in your nVidia control panel, you need to restart the client. Otherwise the changes won't "stick" when you change sessions.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.08.10 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 10/08/2009 21:01:54
I could be making a mistake about HDR but I am sure HDR on and off changed the light beams from inside the star base and the engine lights when I first tried it. Without HDR I could see the engine units. With HDR the light is so bright you cannot see the engine units. But the buttons are just not working any more.
As for FSAA with the new driver I could not get FSAA working with any game. Restarting the client, restarting the PC and even using nHancer had no effect. In the end I just gave up and rolled back to the last version. Right after the first reboot without changing any driver settings FSAA started working again.
http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv156/Pottsey-X5G/20080905163910.jpg
http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv156/Pottsey-X5G/20080319214405.jpg
Those are HDR right? I am 90% sure the red bits where not like that back when I first played with the HDR settings.
EDIT: Those two screenshots are in window mode. If that is HDR I cannot get it to turn off.
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Saint VII
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.08.10 22:18:00 -
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To me that looks like specular lighting (reflective surfaces go shiny) and bloom (bright lights get the intense "glow" around them). But to be honest, neither of us can know which features CCP decided to include under the umbrella of the "HDR" checkbox, so your memory could well be correct. They might have put specular lighting under that umbrella at some point - who can know?
To me, HDR means that, when the camera looks at bright light sources, the rest of the scene becomes darker, as it would when your eye looks into a bright light. That's what it has done in other games. But when CCP describes it in interviews they seem to be talking about something quite different. That was what prompted me to embark on this journey of trying to understand what HDR *does* in this game, in the first place.
I'd love for CCP to just tell us, honestly. But as far as I can tell, almost nothing changes when you click that checkbox, except that: (a) your bloom gets throttled down, and (b) you can't use AA anymore. So, at that point, I kind of threw my hands up in the air and wondered "why the heck should I bother with this 'HDR' checkbox?"
It seems like you reached a similar conclusion for different reasons.  Either way, CCP has some sorting to do I think.
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Ira Astrum
TEMPLAR.
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.08.10 22:38:00 -
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bloom = hdr
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.08.10 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Saint VII
I'd love for CCP to just tell us, honestly. But as far as I can tell, almost nothing changes when you click that checkbox, except that: (a) your bloom gets throttled down, and (b) you can't use AA anymore. So, at that point, I kind of threw my hands up in the air and wondered "why the heck should I bother with this 'HDR' checkbox?"
Well, given that CCP has several times quietly turned off graphics features "for performance reasons", it could be that EVE HDR was taking excessive resources away from their next title and was canned, to be sorted out SoonÖ (maybe, after some real competition shows up, yeah right).
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Saint VII
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.08.10 23:25:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Ira Astrum
bloom = hdr
You can have Bloom in this game with HDR turned off. So in CCP's mind there is some distinction.
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Epegi Givo
Amarr
Araja clan
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Posted - 2009.08.11 00:15:00 -
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well, its working now for some odd reason. It really IS worth the huge performance hit though. And shadows cast on others are AAed too, but not shadows you cast on yourself (Except turrets, their shadows are AAed).
Bloom is things becoming all glowy and stuff because light is bouncing off them. HDR (I think) is reducing/adding how much light bounces off of certain parts of things, because realistically silver metal would be a lot shinier than green, and green shinier than rock. How this interferes with AA, i don't know.
Personally, i think it looks better with AA off, but that might be because i just really like the bloom effect, and because there are so few variations in surfaces in EVE that its not worth it.
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Lobster Man
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.08.24 23:42:00 -
[47]
I'm on Vista64 business running 2x GTX275's with no success on the latest drivers (190.62)
Are the 190.xx drivers just broken atm? it seems that the people using them have not had success, and the people with success have been on 18x.xx or lower.
One more question, do you need to restart the game for any changes from the nvidia control panel to take effect? Or can I simply make the changes, hit apply, then go back to eve and alt-enter a few times to "refresh" things?
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elscorcho
Remus inc
Despoilment Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.25 00:36:00 -
[48]
Didn't work for me, got blue screened twice unfortunately. I've not got a particularly good graphics card though, only a 256mb 8200. Twas worth a try though...
I'm alright though, I was playing it on a crappy old pc with no graphics card, so to go from that to this is still brilliant :)
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Nairova Intaku
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Posted - 2009.08.25 01:02:00 -
[49]
Originally by: elscorcho
Didn't work for me, got blue screened twice unfortunately. I've not got a particularly good graphics card though, only a 256mb 8200. Twas worth a try though...
I'm alright though, I was playing it on a crappy old pc with no graphics card, so to go from that to this is still brilliant :)
I used to run limited AA/AT on my old 256mb geforce 6800 with no troubles, only now on vista with my new pc am I having issues...
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