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Aus Dog	Posted - 2009.08.06 01:28:00 - [1] You guys will be pleased to know that they threw all the rules of SP's and great tracking etc etc and wrote frigates that can't be scratched by 4 Cruise Missiles throwing Caldari Navy and two heavies throwing Caldari Navy and all six and two 425mm guns simultaneously on one frigate and can't scratch them. Oh. And they were webbed and painted. Yep. You can force me to use drones but in doing so you negate all your rules about signature radius and tracking and training up skills etc. Hades Bells. Why not go all the way and make them truly invincible. "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain
hurrdurrimmaburr	Posted - 2009.08.06 01:55:00 - [2] BECAUSE OF FALCON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thugger'naut	Posted - 2009.08.06 02:02:00 - [3]
Deaudlus	Posted - 2009.08.06 02:28:00 - [4] I generally dont rock on people's spelling and grammar and such on forums as I think it's a childish thing to do but seriously... I had to read that three times just to get a general idea of what you were talking about.
SquadBroken Helljumpers	Posted - 2009.08.06 02:30:00 - [5] NO U!
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.08.06 02:57:00 - [6] You're just the gift that keeps on giving aren't you? Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Joe Forumtroll	Posted - 2009.08.06 03:38:00 - [7] Lay of the booze and you`ll remember that you are still docked in a station and this frigate scratching business only happend in EFT.
Disco Flint The Flaming Sideburn's	Posted - 2009.08.06 07:46:00 - [8] why do you have rails and heavy launchers on your Raven?
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.08.06 08:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Aus Dog You guys will be pleased to know that they threw all the rules of SP's and great tracking etc etc and wrote frigates that can't be scratched by 4 Cruise Missiles throwing Caldari Navy and two heavies throwing Caldari Navy and all six and two 425mm guns simultaneously on one frigate and can't scratch them. Oh. And they were webbed and painted. Yep. You can force me to use drones but in doing so you negate all your rules about signature radius and tracking and training up skills etc. Hades Bells. Why not go all the way and make them truly invincible. **** off, you dreadful troll.
Aus Dog	Posted - 2009.08.06 14:31:00 - [10] People that just waste peoples time with aimless attacks on people they don't know are the true Trolls. That's bad. Eight replies and only one is polite and serious and yet aside from a run-on sentence I can't find anything wrong with my grammar. Seriously the Trolls are the people that just login to attack people. Nobody forced you to read my post. If you don't like my posts then DON'T READ THEM AND DON'T REPLY TO THEM!! "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain
Ghengis Tia	Posted - 2009.08.06 14:51:00 - [11] How a webbed and painted frig can't be touched by a CN heavy missile baffles me. You need to train up your missile support skills, as that's the only reason I can guess this magic frigate can take no damage. Having rails, HMLs, and CMLs on the same ship indicates you need to spend some time researching fitting threads for your Raven. I'm guessing you're PvPing, as using faction ammo for missions is a big waste of Isk. And really, that drone bay is not for putting in beehives and making honey. Take a step back, a few deep breaths, and re-commit yourself to becoming a better pilot. One day you'll smile when you think of this thread.
Zhilia Mann	Posted - 2009.08.06 14:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Aus Dog You guys will be pleased to know that they threw all the rules of SP's and great tracking etc etc and wrote frigates that can't be scratched by 4 Cruise Missiles throwing Caldari Navy and two heavies throwing Caldari Navy and all six and two 425mm guns simultaneously on one frigate and can't scratch them. Oh. And they were webbed and painted. Yep. You can force me to use drones but in doing so you negate all your rules about signature radius and tracking and training up skills etc. Hades Bells. Why not go all the way and make them truly invincible. Let's play a little game I like to call Occam's razor. You have a problem doing x. No one else -- presumably several thousand people all told -- seem to have a problem doing x. [*]Which party is having problems? You've consistently ignored good advice. You refuse to use half of it. You don't give context. You don't absorb context from others. EVE has a learning curve. Deal with it. As to your situation, just to try to be productive, what level of mission? What kind of rat? What type of ammo are you using? What's your full loadout? For L4s I like both my Nighthawk and my sentry Domi. Neither have had any issues at all taking down elite frigs. To diagnose the issue you're having more information is needed.
Karl Luckner	Posted - 2009.08.06 15:29:00 - [13] Still doing L2 with failfit Ravens ? Ok, so you hate drones and against every logic you refuse to use them. I would propose the following: Highs: 6x Arbalest or T2 Aussault Missile Launcher (NOT heavy aussault) with standard light missiles 2x whatever (Maybe a set of lasers, since cap should be no problem in an L2 mission) Meds: XL shielbooster shield boost amplifier 3x mission specific hardeners or just invuls 100 MN afterburner Lows: signal amplifier 3x ballistic controls power diagnostic system Riggs: I wouldn't waste Riggs on a level 2 Raven of doom And as you don't like them no drones And if this all fails just get 2 large smartbombs and a capinjector.
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.06 15:55:00 - [14] Aus Dog is at it again I see! LOL! Dude, seriously, train some friggin skills before you post crap about the game being unplayable for you because you can't hit anything! People have tried over and over to give you good advice, but it seems you just come on these forums to bash the game, and in the process making yourself look ridiculous. That makes you a troll. Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.06 17:20:00 - [15] Use drones. Still.
Aus Dog	Posted - 2009.08.06 18:11:00 - [16] Edited by: Aus Dog on 06/08/2009 18:11:23 I didn't say it was unplayable. Aside from the video crashes point out one place I said it was unplayable. My complaint is when I clear two beloved Medium slots and put on Optical Tracking for a 12% boost to tracking and do it again for a theoretical 48% boost minus stacking penalty and add to that an 8% boost for Fourier tracking and my gun has not changed its' tracking properties 1% since the original 24%. And my attention to grammar is for my friend but with the horrible grammar and spelling that is elsewhere in this forum I would think you would find much better grist elsewhere. "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain
Aus Dog	Posted - 2009.08.07 08:30:00 - [17] Even with Large Phased Plasma shells from supposedly Tracking optimized Dual 425mm Scout guns I'm lucky to hit anything even aside from the "Super"-frigates. My friend said big guns for big ships.Even with the 48% tracking improvement and 8% on top of that minus stacking the tracking abilities have not budged. If someone understands that I would really appreciate some clarification. IRL an Elephant gun will kill you just as dead at 10 feet as it does at 100 yds. "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain
Aus Dog	Posted - 2009.08.07 08:36:00 - [18] BTW. I'm back on Lvl 3's and as long as I pick and choose carefully my ticker doesn't complain. And as many Lvl 3's as I have run during my career I think I have run almost all except Blockade (which got my Raven scrammed during Lvl 4 DPS and blown up and almost podded). "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain
The B055 Gallente Gold Stallion Troop	Posted - 2009.08.07 08:46:00 - [19] You do know what a Battleship is... right? Battleship: LARGE SHIP - LARGE WEAPONS/MISSILES Frigate: SMALL SHIP - SMALL WEAPONS/MISSILES Oh and dont end up arguing or complaining of forum unless you've done your research. kthaxbai ________________________ You successfully mined this asteroid, unfortunatly there was nothing to be mined
Taua Roqa Minmatar junQtion	Posted - 2009.08.07 08:47:00 - [20] ops a fukken troll [
Taradis Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.08.07 08:48:00 - [21]
Zaqar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.08.07 09:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Aus Dog Even with Large Phased Plasma shells from supposedly Tracking optimized Dual 425mm Scout guns I'm lucky to hit anything even aside from the "Super"-frigates. My friend said big guns for big ships.Even with the 48% tracking improvement and 8% on top of that minus stacking the tracking abilities have not budged. If someone understands that I would really appreciate some clarification. IRL an Elephant gun will kill you just as dead at 10 feet as it does at 100 yds. Here's a clue for you: signature resolution
M's Echo	Posted - 2009.08.07 09:28:00 - [23] There are 3 things involved in hitting a target with turret based weapons. 1. Weapon range vs. Target range 2. Signature resolution (of the weapon) vs. Signature radius (of target ship) 3. Tracking speed vs. Radial velocity I have a feeling I'l be wasting my time if i detail this for you so I'll just say this. BS size guns=Sig resolution of 400. Frigate size ships often have a Sig. radius around 50. That is a big issue by itself even with a target painter 50*1.3= 65. Those are just rough numbers but hopefully that highlights a problem for you.
Aus Dog	Posted - 2009.08.09 11:50:00 - [24] Echo and others. I was starting to study on that. I take it if a large gun has a large Sig Res then like a miss-matched missile to target it either misses or much of the damage doesn't register. And BTW. Just because I don't always come back and say that one's idea was the magic bullet but I do use all the info y'all are kind enuff to give. I have stacked two optical tracking computers with tracking script and stack futher with Fourier Tracking Bump(s). But improving the tracking doesn't cure disparities in Sig Res and Sig. I thought the Painters only helped missiles. Faction Tracking boosts can go up to 21% per module. Since I don't have unlimited slots, which helps me hit and stick better. Target Paint or Tracking boosts but I will be trying variations on mixing the two back in some level 2's so I'm not screwing around while Rome Burns. Mixed metaphor? It really is a pain cause for Level 3 by the time you get big enuff to snuff the rats then Tracking is out the window even with lots of boosters. "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain
Novantco The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.08.09 11:58:00 - [25] Originally by: Aus Dog Echo and others. I was starting to study on that. I take it if a large gun has a large Sig Res then like a miss-matched missile to target it either misses or much of the damage doesn't register. And BTW. Just because I don't always come back and say that one's idea was the magic bullet but I do use all the info y'all are kind enuff to give. I have stacked two optical tracking computers with tracking script and stack futher with Fourier Tracking Bump(s). But improving the tracking doesn't cure disparities in Sig Res and Sig. I thought the Painters only helped missiles. Faction Tracking boosts can go up to 21% per module. Since I don't have unlimited slots, which helps me hit and stick better. Target Paint or Tracking boosts but I will be trying variations on mixing the two back in some level 2's so I'm not screwing around while Rome Burns. Mixed metaphor? It really is a pain cause for Level 3 by the time you get big enuff to snuff the rats then Tracking is out the window even with lots of boosters. Madness.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.08.09 12:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Aus Dog Echo and others. I was starting to study on that. I take it if a large gun has a large Sig Res then like a miss-matched missile to target it either misses or much of the damage doesn't register. And BTW. Just because I don't always come back and say that one's idea was the magic bullet but I do use all the info y'all are kind enuff to give. I have stacked two optical tracking computers with tracking script and stack futher with Fourier Tracking Bump(s). But improving the tracking doesn't cure disparities in Sig Res and Sig. I thought the Painters only helped missiles. Faction Tracking boosts can go up to 21% per module. Since I don't have unlimited slots, which helps me hit and stick better. Target Paint or Tracking boosts but I will be trying variations on mixing the two back in some level 2's so I'm not screwing around while Rome Burns. Mixed metaphor? It really is a pain cause for Level 3 by the time you get big enuff to snuff the rats then Tracking is out the window even with lots of boosters. What?
The B055 Gallente Gold Stallion Troop	Posted - 2009.08.09 12:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Lindsay Logan Originally by: Aus Dog stuff. What? ^this ________________________ You successfully mined this asteroid, unfortunatly there was nothing to be mined
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2009.08.09 12:12:00 - [28] Aus, are you familiar with the term "Shot group"? If someone says "I can get a 3 inch shot group at 400 yards" it means that with a particular firearm at 400 yards, every bullet fired will land within a 3 inch diameter circle. Consider the signature resolution of a weapon to be the shot group. Now, let's look at this visually. Take a piece of paper and draw a circle 6 inches in diameter on it. Now, take another piece of paper and draw a 1 inch diameter circle on that one, and cut out the small circle. Lay the small circle inside the larger. The large circle is the signature resolution of a battleship's guns. All shots fired will land somewhere in that circle. The small circle is the signature of a frigate. The shot has to land inside that circle to hit the frigate. How much of the area of the big circle is covered by the small? Not much, right? There is no module, nor is there a combination of modules, that will allow a battleship gun to hit a frigate. None. Nada. Zip. It's not happening. All you can do is increase the chances. And since those chances are a tiny number to begin with, increasing them makes very little difference. Do this for me, please. You say you don't like drones. That's fine. Train the following skills in this order. It should take you at most 3 weeks. Drones V Scout Drone Operation V Drone Interfacing III Gallente Drone Specialization I Now, when you're done with this, buy some Hobgoblin IIs, and put them in the bay of your mission ship. Go do your mission. Fit your ship with all large weapons, and ignore the frigates with the guns. Any frigates that get on you, release 5 Hobgoblin IIs and send them after the frigates, then ignore them again. When all the frigates are dead, call the drones back. I think you will be shocked at how fast they chew through all the frigates, and you don't need to use them for anything else. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Storm Templar Amarr	Posted - 2009.08.09 12:56:00 - [29] Paragraphs mate, paragraphs will get your point across more coherently. It breaks up what you're saying so the audience will know that you have just changed a point and now onto another issue. Thought they taught you this at school? Anyway, trying to hit fast frigate with 425mm railguns is ridiculous. If you can use 425mm railguns mean that you can pilot a battleship and to pilot a battleship. If you're still trying to hit frigs with large railguns, might as well.....give up. Also, the part of trying to get frigs with cruise missiles is ridiculous, don't expect cruisies to do 100+ on frigs. Most you can hope for is 30-50, you're just chipping away wasting your 150+ isk cruise missiles. I agree with the above poster, use drones, they are your best friend against something like frigates. They'll eat frigates for breakfast and perhaps cruisers too if you used the right type of drones.If you're refusing to use drones against frigs you're refusing to adapt and because you refuse to adapt, you deserve to get your die. It gives you no right to come to the forum and whine about something that can be easily solved. Open your eyes and see reason, perhaps follow the above advices and things will be a lot easier. =) Having an aneurysm over your lack of paragraphs, Stormie. ________________________________________________ For the Immortal God-Emperor.....ooops, wrong universe.
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.08.09 13:24:00 - [30] Edited by: Contralto on 09/08/2009 13:26:49 Try a Drake with light missiles, and room for the poor unloved light drones when you finally give in and start using them. Only time a 425mm is going to hit a frig is if it is motoring straight at you at 40km +

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