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Kessiaan
Minmatar DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.09 13:25:00 -
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Let me guess, you were shooting kinetic missiles at an Ishkur like every clueless Raven pilot does?
How to effortlessly kill short-range frigs in a Raven:
1) Load up the correct damage type of missiles 2) Fit neuts instead of guns. 3) When they come in close, neut them. 4) Wait a couple of cycles (you'll know when their cap is dead as their tackle will shut down and they'll slow down a lot), then launch your drones and shoot your missiles and lol as they die.
Like everything else in EvE, it's not about "he rules of SP's and great tracking etc etc", it's about knowing what the hell you're doing.
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BalZ
Gallente topSTUFFed Productions Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.09 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aus Dog People that just waste peoples time with aimless attacks on people [...] people that just login to attack people
Lots of people
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Aus Dog
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Posted - 2009.08.11 11:53:00 -
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As someone has said b4 in these pages, Level 3 can be very erratic. Trying as hard as I can go to improve tracking to the best it can be. The neut might work but I'm getting frigates that accept Level 4 DPS B4 dying. I have been in missions with them webbed and painted and still require 6 missile launchers throwing all Caldari Navy and it would take a good 15 minutes each. As if "invulnerable" frigates weren't bad enough they are actually close to knocking me outta my. The camera shook so violently and constantly, I couldn't see what I was doing and almost fell out of my chair from continuous visual "Over-stimulation". I found a rig to boost tracking and am working on getting the T2 version now. It's a fine line to dance between guns that pack enough puch but can still hit the broad side of a barn door. I will give your Neuts suggest a go as that is about the only thing as yet untried. "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain |
Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.11 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Aus Dog As someone has said b4 in these pages, Level 3 can be very erratic. Trying as hard as I can go to improve tracking to the best it can be. The neut might work but I'm getting frigates that accept Level 4 DPS B4 dying. I have been in missions with them webbed and painted and still require 6 missile launchers throwing all Caldari Navy and it would take a good 15 minutes each. As if "invulnerable" frigates weren't bad enough they are actually close to knocking me outta my. The camera shook so violently and constantly, I couldn't see what I was doing and almost fell out of my chair from continuous visual "Over-stimulation". I found a rig to boost tracking and am working on getting the T2 version now. It's a fine line to dance between guns that pack enough puch but can still hit the broad side of a barn door. I will give your Neuts suggest a go as that is about the only thing as yet untried.
Hilarious
On the off chance that you're serious, it's really quite simple, drones.
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Max 0'warp
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Posted - 2009.08.11 12:28:00 -
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No matter what you do your large guns will not hit a small fast moving frigate, think of trying to shoot a mosquito with a handgun - unless you are freakishly lucky you wont hit. Frigates are like that to BS guns.
If you want to breeze through L3 missions fly a Drake with heavy missiles and drones. Its a truly awesome ship, even for someone with fairly low SPs. Its faster than the Raven, will tank forever with a half-decent fit and should you totally balls-up the mission it is a damn sight cheaper than a Raven to replace. The other really cool thing is that as your skills grow the awesomeness of the Drake grows with you. You can do L4 missions in one and they work quite nicely in Class 1 and 2 wormholes with the right skills and fit.
I think of Ravens are the SUVs of New Eden. Every middling-skilled mission runner has one and they make them feel safe with all that metal around them but they are ugly, ungainly and often wasted in the roles for which they are used.
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Dragas Amitar
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.08.11 13:14:00 -
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Right. I read most of your loltopics here, so basics are as following: DRONES, use them and use them a lot. They're the only way you're gonna hit frigate-sized ships in a BS. Large sized weapons are used against large size opponents, not the other way around. If you can't do level 4s in a Raven, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG, as it is quite obvious from your poasts.
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Cupcake Girl
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Posted - 2009.08.11 13:31:00 -
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TL;DR
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Mes Caline
Amarr Carebear Poachers plc SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.08.11 13:43:00 -
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using tracking rigs to enhance missiles =p you are going to go far in this game. pop into lowsec sometime!
I are teh poastin'
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari Alcothology
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Posted - 2009.08.11 14:59:00 -
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I love these threads.
Aus, post your fit, will you?
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Panzram
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.11 16:58:00 -
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i once accidentally crapped myself at the YMCA. talk about a dirty pool.
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Aus Dog
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Posted - 2009.08.16 07:29:00 -
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Regat. I assume you have heard of Suicide Ganking. Also if you completely post your fit you just educated your enemies as to how best to nail you. I have found one good gun only that comes as close to riding the line between having zero guts and not able to hit anything that isn't sitting dead still begging to be shot. I refer to the 425mm Scout autocannon with a T2 Projectile Metastasis whatsis (the rig), an Optical Tracking Program with Tracking Script and The Fourier Transform in Lo-slot. Darn shame that you have to devote such a large percentage of your setup to tracking just to produce usable guns. And if the single 425 auto tracks fairly well then why does the Dual 425 track drop to like half as well. The Dual 425 is supposed to be two 425's so you would think it would track in the same ballpark. Not so. "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain |
Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.16 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin DeVries Aus, are you familiar with the term "Shot group"? If someone says "I can get a 3 inch shot group at 400 yards" it means that with a particular firearm at 400 yards, every bullet fired will land within a 3 inch diameter circle. Consider the signature resolution of a weapon to be the shot group.
This is in fact very logical and sensible, but it does not work this way in EVE. There is no damage reduction based on signature radius alone - it is a factor of the tracking formula. So that BS gun with a sig radius of 400 firing at a frigate with 40m sig resolution will mean the BS has a 0.1 modifier on tracking.
So, for instance, if the frigate has 0.3 rad/sec angular velocity, and the BS gun has, eg. 0.3 rad/sec tracking (which would mean you hit the frigate reasonably well), after signature radius considerations your gun effectively has 0.03 tracking - which translates into missing it.
Now, with the horrible tracking of BS guns, you won't hit frigates well at all unless they're very far away from you and moving in a straight line, but cruiser guns will still beat them senseless with a bit of proper piloting to minimize angular velocity.
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zombeee
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.16 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aus Dog Regat. I assume you have heard of Suicide Ganking. Also if you completely post your fit you just educated your enemies as to how best to nail you.
It's really quite simple to nail you, just orbit in a frigate
Bad analogy #938: You're trying to rig a civil war cannon to hit someone running around it. Good luck
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Salia WinterDrake
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.17 00:53:00 -
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AusDog -
I can see you're trying to use a sledgehammer to swat a fly. Improving your tracking just won't help large gun (or cruise missiles) to hit fast moving frigates. Battleship guns track poorly to begin with, and the improved tracking simply will not improve the guns enough to make them useful.
When I was doing L3 missions, I used a simple Drake battlecruiser, with all heavy missile launchers and Hammerhead drones. The Drake takes an absolute beating, and will survive the hairiest of L3's without flinching. The heavy launchers will kill frigs, a bit slowly, but they will do it if you really don't like using drones. Or try swapping a couple of heavy launchers for standard launchers - these fire lighter missiles that will kill frigs faster.
If you have Evemon, look up the Drake and the Raven in the ship browser, and click on the little Battleclinic link to see other players popular setups.
Many of those will be labelled "PVP" or "Mission". Check up on the mission fits and see what works.
Please stop trying to squeeze a round peg into a square hole :-) For L3's the Drake kicks ass and is much cheaper too.
----- VPN-Firewall Guide
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Shatner19
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Posted - 2009.08.17 03:25:00 -
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Edited by: Shatner19 on 17/08/2009 03:36:04 hey aus contact me in game, hopefully we can sort all this out and i will instruct you on how to effectively deal with all ship types in pve.
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Scorian Draith
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Posted - 2009.08.17 04:40:00 -
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THIS IS GAME!!
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Eldern Minderhost
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Posted - 2009.08.17 05:31:00 -
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game? THIS. IS. RAVEN!!!!
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Mistress Jasmine
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Posted - 2009.08.17 05:50:00 -
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lol THIS IS SPAAARTA
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Aus Dog
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Posted - 2009.08.21 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Aus Dog on 21/08/2009 00:12:38 As I say. With a hundred things done to affect tracking the 425mm Medium Scout kills anything 11km or less with the exception of the invulnerable Support Frigates the 425mm has finally quenched my blood-thirst. With those it has nothing to do with tracking, webbing , or painting. Doing the third part of Technological Secrets I unloaded all six Cruise Launchers on a single Support Frigate that was painted for at least 15 minutes. Not a scratch. They finally made them truly invulnerable. As we don't have access to Kryptonite Missiles the GM agreed it was a bug. This time they were Republic Support Frigates instead of Gallente but when A GM agrees there is a problem that's good enuff for me. I got the AX implant for Slot 7 and that put the 425mm tracking over 2.0 and made it deadly as Hades. Just astounds me that a Dual 425 which is supposed to be just two 425's has the tracking drop by like half. Too bad. "Owning a dog teaches a child Honesty, Loyalty, and to always circle three times before lying down".....Mark Twain |
Amitious Turkey
Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.21 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Amitious Turkey on 21/08/2009 00:16:33 Aus Dog, I still have no idea what you're talking about... I don't get your title either...
BECAUSE OF FALCONDUST!
Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3
GO NAVIGATOR <3 |
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General Paul
League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2009.08.21 00:23:00 -
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you could try equipping a friend, in a kestrel.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.08.21 02:04:00 -
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Fortunately there is a very simple problem:
1) Launch T2 light drones of appropriate damage type.
2) Watch frigate die in seconds while killing the bigger ships with your guns.
Stop whining about game balance when it's your own fault you suck at this game. ==========
Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.08.21 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin Fortunately there is a very simple problem:
1) Launch T2 light drones of appropriate damage type.
2) Watch frigate die in seconds while killing the bigger ships with your guns.
Stop whining about game balance when it's your own fault you suck at this game.
Hasn't it been 14 days already?
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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techzer0
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.08.21 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Disco Flint why do you have rails and heavy launchers on your Raven?
you caught that too? ------------
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.08.21 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
Originally by: Disco Flint why do you have rails and heavy launchers on your Raven?
you caught that too?
Welcome to an aus dog thread. Check your brain at the door.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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AFTERMARKET
Caldari I Love Furries
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Posted - 2009.08.21 02:59:00 -
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425's eat mission frigs for breakfast as they don't zigzag on the approach. If they get close you can use drones or smart bombs if you like to keep things exciting.
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