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Sir Muffoon
Debitum Naturae
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Posted - 2009.08.10 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Muffoon on 10/08/2009 18:57:38
 Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
If he's giving intel then he's not AFK.
That's the point, you don't know and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
At least this proposal includes risks, you can stay in a system all day but you'll need to coordinate logistics for the fuel, which means there's more points in which for a group to stop you being a afk cloaker.
At the moment it's just completely riskless for a lot of gain.
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Reading these threads... I've a good mind to stick alts in ECCM'd up inties in safespots in major 0.0 systems and troll your probers with unprobable ships... because if you nerf cloaking that's what people will move to.
0.0 carebears... biggest carebears.
You can do that if you want, but you'll never become unprobable in a ceptor, and you won't stop anyone ratting.
But yeah, those cloakers definitely aren't the carebears in this scenario, because they're definitely risking alot while cloaked. Really.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.10 19:03:00 -
[32]
Not supported.
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Oarta
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Posted - 2009.08.10 19:17:00 -
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Supported, there should be a cost/risk involved for extended use of regular cloaking devices, however, Covert Ops Cloaks should not have use fuel.
To use Covert Ops cloaks you need a much larger array of skills and even then, only specific ships can fit them. This is enough of a drawback to warrant free use.
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Dunkin McLoud
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Posted - 2009.08.10 19:36:00 -
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Remove local u dont know if he is in the system so u can relax by not knowing if a cloaker is or is not in system since u seem to be scared by the fact that you know that he is in system.
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Lord Aftermath
The Aftermath.
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Posted - 2009.08.10 20:08:00 -
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The Aftermath. does NOT support this idea.
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Aniel Zaar
Gallente
Light of Orion
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Posted - 2009.08.10 22:33:00 -
[36]
Not supported. A cloaked ship poses no direct threat. Get some medicine to battle stress if it's making you nervous.
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Stil Harkonnen
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Posted - 2009.08.10 22:38:00 -
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I'm assuming that all the people who want cloaks to have fuel are 0.0 carebears who dock up as soon as an afk cloaker comes into your system.
First, you're in 0.0. it's not safe, don't pretend it is and don't try to make it safe. Just because you can't take your hulk out and afk mine all day cause there's a neutral in your system doesn't mean something is broken. it means you're not trying hard enough to keep them out.
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Lee Dalton
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.10 22:50:00 -
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Not sure if I agree with this, but the claim that cloakers do nothing is just wrong.
Aside from the intel they provide, if nothing else they are an excellent souce of warp ins.
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Cyrus Doul
Nictus Astartes
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Posted - 2009.08.11 02:02:00 -
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For those of you using the afk cloak idea. Thats not relevant to what i meant this thread to be about. cause you are right. an afk one does nothing. but you get one person who has 3 paid accounts or whatever, all he has to do is **** around with his other two while his third one sits there watching stuff for his corp to always know what you and your friends are in when you are trying to get to him.
This would fix 0.0 macro ratters since as far as i can tell a macro raven cant fit a cov ops cloak. this should make you 0.0 guys happy that people aren't stealing your iskies
A cloaked frigate makes a sweet warpin point like someone else mentioned.
Would it have been better to say not to nerf cov ops cloaks. but then we would have all these people complaining about how why bother. people will just train for it and scout in a BR. i guess thats the case, but it still requires them to but the better part of what? 80 million on the line instead of a million isk cloak with a million isk frigate or crusier
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.08.11 03:16:00 -
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Nerf stations! It should cost fuel every hour to stay docked. I mean - a docked ship is totally safe, and that's not right!
Someone could have 3 accounts and one of them just sits there in a station watching local and giving 100% safe intell 23x7!
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.08.11 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri
Nerf stations! It should cost fuel every hour to stay docked. I mean - a docked ship is totally safe, and that's not right!
Someone could have 3 accounts and one of them just sits there in a station watching local and giving 100% safe intell 23x7!
Dude... you rock... no seriously... your the best.
TLDR: I lol'd
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AtheistOfDoom
Amarr
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.08.11 05:56:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Bibbleibble
Cloaks are fine. Deal with it.
this. (local is fine too)
Pew Pew Lazorz!!! |
Hanster Maluki
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Posted - 2009.08.11 07:36:00 -
[43]
Not supported
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Syaran
Gallente
IMPERIAL SENATE
Cool Kids Club
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Posted - 2009.08.11 07:46:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri
Nerf stations! It should cost fuel every hour to stay docked. I mean - a docked ship is totally safe, and that's not right!
Someone could have 3 accounts and one of them just sits there in a station watching local and giving 100% safe intell 23x7!
Dude... you rock... no seriously... your the best.
TLDR: I lol'd
So true. Not supported.
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Sir Muffoon
Debitum Naturae
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Posted - 2009.08.11 13:04:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Sir Muffoon on 11/08/2009 13:03:54
Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri
Nerf stations! It should cost fuel every hour to stay docked. I mean - a docked ship is totally safe, and that's not right!
Someone could have 3 accounts and one of them just sits there in a station watching local and giving 100% safe intell 23x7!
You can camp stations. You cant report intel on what ships people are in and where they are when you're in a station. You cant uncloak, tackle someone and then have a gang jump in while you're in station. |
Larkonis Trassler
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Posted - 2009.08.11 13:25:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Sir Muffoon
That's the point, you don't know and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
At least this proposal includes risks, you can stay in a system all day but you'll need to coordinate logistics for the fuel, which means there's more points in which for a group to stop you being a afk cloaker.
At the moment it's just completely riskless for a lot of gain.
Yes... their is something you can do about it. You can stage out of a system that isn't being scouted. You can use a bit misdirection, trickery etc into making the enemy think you have a smaller force than you actually have, etc etc.
Originally by: Sir Muffoon
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Reading these threads... I've a good mind to stick alts in ECCM'd up inties in safespots in major 0.0 systems and troll your probers with unprobable ships... because if you nerf cloaking that's what people will move to.
0.0 carebears... biggest carebears.
You can do that if you want, but you'll never become unprobable in a ceptor, and you won't stop anyone ratting.
But yeah, those cloakers definitely aren't the carebears in this scenario, because they're definitely risking alot while cloaked. Really.
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Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Warp Disruptor II
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Sabretooth Light Missile
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Gl probing this down without all skills at level 5, faction launcher, faction probes and a pirate implant set. Protip: even then you probably won't.
It can nip around, wait for a ratter or miner to begin going about his business, get a gang to wait a couple of systems over, swoop in, get point etc etc.
If a cloaker in a system is in a ship that you deem to be a threat to your residents then... I dunno... bait him? Defend your space? If all he's doing is relaying int then you can do the same dawg, it's a less unsavoury tactic than 'metagaming' via in corp spies and listening in on vent/TS.
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Neti Keire
Amarr
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.11 13:57:00 -
[47]
Not supported
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Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
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Posted - 2009.08.11 14:54:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Cyrus Doul
Macros with cloaks to run and hide in 0.0 ratting will die cause they run out of gas eventually and become visible.
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this is not going to work, cause the macro will get adjusted too this within a day or 2
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Piitaq
Gallente
19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2009.08.13 09:09:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Stil Harkonnen
I'm assuming that all the people who want cloaks to have fuel are 0.0 carebears who dock up as soon as an afk cloaker comes into your system.
First, you're in 0.0. it's not safe, don't pretend it is and don't try to make it safe. Just because you can't take your hulk out and afk mine all day cause there's a neutral in your system doesn't mean something is broken. it means you're not trying hard enough to keep them out.
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You are right. It is the miners, that have the problem with this.
You are also right, that most hulk pilots safe up, as a mining barge isnt that great a combat ship.
You are also right about 0.0 isnt safe and never should be. What we want however, is the ability to remove a threat to us, by docking up changing to a combat ship, move out and engage the enemy. Im not saying it should be easy to kill cov ops cloak, or other cloackers, just want a very tiny small chance, of actually dealing with the "problem".
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Czar Vilinous
A Fortiori
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Posted - 2009.08.13 15:27:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri
Nerf stations! It should cost fuel every hour to stay docked. I mean - a docked ship is totally safe, and that's not right!
Someone could have 3 accounts and one of them just sits there in a station watching local and giving 100% safe intell 23x7!
Dead on. This is not a good idea.
Not supported.
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shuckstar
Gallente
Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2009.08.13 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Arous Drephius
Originally by: ninjaholic
No, cloaks are fine.
This.
Intel from local is the underlying problem here.
Signed and not supported.
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Ekeim
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Posted - 2009.08.14 12:18:00 -
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When spending a large portion of time in the map screen due to the new scanning system, IMO the ability to cloak is very important for finding exploration content in low/nullsec.
While it is true that you likely won't be finding me when cloaked in a deep safespot, it's also true that I'm not planning on running these sites in my Helios.
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Somal Thunder
Intergalactic Peace Organization
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Posted - 2009.08.18 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Cyrus Doul
Macros with cloaks to run and hide in 0.0 ratting will die cause they run out of gas eventually and become visible.
Substitute: Safespot, cloak, log off.
Originally by: Cyrus Doul
No 24/7 having wardeced corps hiding in a dead end constellation with someone in a cov ops or even just a frigate sitting within range of a gate giving 23/7 intel. would make wars more fun.
Substitute: Neutral alt scout.
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Hun Jakuza
24th Imperial Guard
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Posted - 2009.08.19 13:44:00 -
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/supported
But the 0.0 coward carebears always dont wanna changes this cloaking crap.
They wanna more
benefits for cloakers like localchat nerf.
Nobody would be discover them on local. Long times ago the CCP removed them in games when thet dont move their ship under 30 minutes, but the 0.0 noobs were crying too much and the developers removed this opportunity from the game. 30 mins or 1 hour or 2 hour nvm.
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Tiger's Spirit
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Posted - 2009.08.19 13:54:00 -
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/supported
But everone know.
This cloaking rules will not change, because the most of CSM members just insignificant 0.0 chessmen, who got their positions,the 0.0 alliances made it compulsory for their members to vote for them.
So ... CSM , only the 0.0 the embodiment of interests.
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DeviloftheHell
RaaFharaX
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Posted - 2009.08.19 15:14:00 -
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Baaldor
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.08.19 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Piitaq
Then people say, you just need combat support in belt. Only problem is the people saying this, is the same people who wont do combat support for their alliance mates, sitting hours in belts watching out for an AFK cloacker that might do a bomb run.
So you want some one to improve your situation for you because you are to lazy to improve it your self?
You picked the alliance mates, find another group of idiots.
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marie blueprint
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Posted - 2009.08.20 02:57:00 -
[58]
gank bears whine not supported
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Anah Karah
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Posted - 2009.09.23 17:24:00 -
[59]
[Stiletto, Probe this homedawg]
Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Warp Disruptor II
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Sabretooth Light Missile
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Gl probing this down without all skills at level 5, faction launcher, faction probes and a pirate implant set. Protip: even then you probably won't.
It can nip around, wait for a ratter or miner to begin going about his business, get a gang to wait a couple of systems over, swoop in, get point etc etc.
If a cloaker in a system is in a ship that you deem to be a threat to your residents then... I dunno... bait him? Defend your space? If all he's doing is relaying int then you can do the same dawg, it's a less unsavoury tactic than 'metagaming' via in corp spies and listening in on vent/TS.
PS it's a sad day when a system with 30+ people from a supposedly hardcore 0.0 alliance is brought to a standstill by an AFK cloaked covert ops in local. As I said, 0.0 carebears, best carebears.
Ummm you do know that the stilleto is the only inty with 4 mids that could actually pull this off.
Great to see we have CSM members intersted in 'balance' and not just trolling.....did i mention that i might have been just slightly sarcastic when i just said that? no? oh well...next time i'll make myself more clear
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.09.23 17:31:00 -
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Danger? In 0.0? THIS IS INTOLERABLE.
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