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triafrenum	Posted - 2009.08.10 23:12:00 - [1] Lows: Full duplex Ballistic Targeting system X3 Alpha reactor control: diagnostic system X2 Meds: X-Large shield booster 2 Heavy brave capacitor booster Invulnerability field 2 Posse Invulnerability field Copasetic particle field acceleration X2 Highs: Arbalest Siege missile launcher X6 Medium Diminishing power system drain X2 Rigs Anti em Screen reinforcer Anti thermal screen reinforcer anti kinetic screen reinforcer Currently with all lvl 5's its got 5 spare cpu and 300 something spare power. If anyone could give suggestions I would really appreciate it.
AstroPhobic Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.08.10 23:28:00 - [2] Posting in a troll thread?
4THELULZ	Posted - 2009.08.10 23:33:00 - [3] Edited by: 4THELULZ on 10/08/2009 23:34:54 Originally by: AstroPhobic Posting in a troll thread? It would seem so =/ To be constructive, something more like this: [Raven, PVP Torps] Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 Probably not perfect but I think it's in the right direction...
AstroPhobic Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.08.10 23:36:00 - [4] Originally by: 4THELULZ Edited by: 4THELULZ on 10/08/2009 23:34:54 Originally by: AstroPhobic Posting in a troll thread? It would seem so =/ To be constructive, something more like this: [Raven, PVP Torps] Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 Probably not perfect but I think it's in the right direction... TBH [Raven, PVP] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5
Normin Bates	Posted - 2009.08.11 00:36:00 - [5] The perfect PvP Raven stays docked in the hanger for PvP TBH.
fmercury NibbleTek	Posted - 2009.08.11 04:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Normin Bates The perfect PvP Raven stays docked in the hanger for PvP TBH. Spoken like a true person who has no idea what they're talking about
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.11 07:54:00 - [7] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: 4THELULZ Edited by: 4THELULZ on 10/08/2009 23:34:54 Originally by: AstroPhobic Posting in a troll thread? It would seem so =/ To be constructive, something more like this: [Raven, PVP Torps] Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 Probably not perfect but I think it's in the right direction... TBH [Raven, PVP] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 Very close to my fit. Tho I use a backup array most of the time now, not 4 BCU. I no not enjoy ECM :). And I use T1 MWD, no need to use more isk then I need to :P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.11 09:17:00 - [8] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 11/08/2009 09:18:42 Originally by: fmercury Originally by: Normin Bates The perfect PvP Raven stays docked in the hanger for PvP TBH. Spoken like a true person who has no idea what they're talking about This. The torp Raven is arguably the best close-range gank battleship, only the Armageddon can even come close. As for a setup, the one AstroPhobic posted is the correct setup. Just be warned, it requires AWU V to fit, without that skill you'll have to use a named MWD and either drop a BCU for a PDU or downgrade one or both of the neuts to small neuts. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Merbusent	Posted - 2009.08.11 09:22:00 - [9] Im not sure how to fit a raven but i've not solo'd one which has "I Think" Pdus's in lows they just out last my teir 1 battleship each time.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2009.08.11 10:33:00 - [10] Originally by: triafrenum Currently with all lvl 5's its got 5 spare cpu and 300 something spare power. If anyone could give suggestions I would really appreciate it. EFT is nice to figure out if you want to fit this or that for some particular purpose or to find out if you can fit 4 BCU's or can only do 3. It is not a good tool if you have not actually fitted ship for that pupose in the past and are just after uber numbers. To be more precise I would suggest not using COSMOS hardeners for pvp. They are not cost effective for that. I would also suggest using eve-search.

Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.08.11 11:38:00 - [11] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 11/08/2009 09:18:42 Originally by: fmercury Originally by: Normin Bates The perfect PvP Raven stays docked in the hanger for PvP TBH. Spoken like a true person who has no idea what they're talking about This. The torp Raven is arguably the best close-range gank battleship, only the Armageddon can even come close. As for a setup, the one AstroPhobic posted is the correct setup. Just be warned, it requires AWU V to fit, without that skill you'll have to use a named MWD and either drop a BCU for a PDU or downgrade one or both of the neuts to small neuts. Do you notice huge improvement by using 4 BCU? I generally like 3 BCU and something else in the last one. My eft will give me 50 more dps by a 4th BCU, and that is nice enough, just wondering if its worth it over say a backup array as mentioned earlier (should give more resistance to ECM drones) or even better targeting speed. 2 painters seem nice enough, I have generally used only 1, and more tank (or a 24km point), but I see how 2 TP would kick ass against cruiser sized stuff (often fighting other BS, not as much smaller stuff) .
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.11 11:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Lindsay Logan Originally by: Sera Ryskin Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 11/08/2009 09:18:42 Originally by: fmercury Originally by: Normin Bates The perfect PvP Raven stays docked in the hanger for PvP TBH. Spoken like a true person who has no idea what they're talking about This. The torp Raven is arguably the best close-range gank battleship, only the Armageddon can even come close. As for a setup, the one AstroPhobic posted is the correct setup. Just be warned, it requires AWU V to fit, without that skill you'll have to use a named MWD and either drop a BCU for a PDU or downgrade one or both of the neuts to small neuts. Do you notice huge improvement by using 4 BCU? I generally like 3 BCU and something else in the last one. My eft will give me 50 more dps by a 4th BCU, and that is nice enough, just wondering if its worth it over say a backup array as mentioned earlier (should give more resistance to ECM drones) or even better targeting speed. 2 painters seem nice enough, I have generally used only 1, and more tank (or a 24km point), but I see how 2 TP would kick ass against cruiser sized stuff (often fighting other BS, not as much smaller stuff) . My current fit: [Raven, No Nukes!] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Gravimetric Backup Array II Damage Control II 100MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Target Painter II Target Painter II Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 A tad less dps, but more ECM strenght (also makes room for T2 painters). A proper ECM ship will jam you anyways tho, but I dunno, seems like I get a tad less jammed. T2 MWD fits as well, but meh, T1 does the job anyways. The 4 BCU one will kick more ass when its fiering tho, so I guess its based on what you expect to meet in comabt, and latly there have been lots fo ECM where I usually fight :). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Denuo Secus	Posted - 2009.08.11 14:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs .... Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II .... Why not one heavy neut instead of two mediums (not sure if one med and one heavy fit)? I thought range matters most in neut business? Because of 24km point range for instance. Also torp range would be almost equal. I'm interested in your tactics using this two mediums - which are certainly better against more than one frig and/or if they are equipped with nos or cap booster because of shorter cycles of medium neuts.
Vee Zee	Posted - 2009.08.11 15:22:00 - [14] [Raven, Neut] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Some OFFLINE MOD Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 Been rolling with that for quite a while, though I still get a hard time for not having a point
Normin Bates	Posted - 2009.08.11 15:28:00 - [15] Originally by: fmercury Originally by: Normin Bates The perfect PvP Raven stays docked in the hanger for PvP TBH. Spoken like a true person who has no idea what they're talking about That makes no sense, but I get your point. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about...I can only say that after living in different 0.0 areas over a period of 18 months I haven't seen a Raven used effectively for anyhting other than POS bashing. Don't get me wrong. I like my Raven, but I'd never undock it to engage a competant gang of reds.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.08.11 15:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Denuo Secus Why not one heavy neut instead of two mediums (not sure if one med and one heavy fit)? I thought range matters most in neut business? Because of 24km point range for instance. Also torp range would be almost equal. I'm interested in your tactics using this two mediums - which are certainly better against more than one frig and/or if they are equipped with nos or cap booster because of shorter cycles of medium neuts. No grid for a heavy neut. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
ISK Launderer	Posted - 2009.08.11 15:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 11/08/2009 09:18:42 Originally by: fmercury Originally by: Normin Bates The perfect PvP Raven stays docked in the hanger for PvP TBH. Spoken like a true person who has no idea what they're talking about This. The torp Raven is arguably the best close-range gank battleship, only the Armageddon can even come close. As for a setup, the one AstroPhobic posted is the correct setup. Just be warned, it requires AWU V to fit, without that skill you'll have to use a named MWD and either drop a BCU for a PDU or downgrade one or both of the neuts to small neuts. RAVEN IS PURE IDIOCY FOR PVP! SERA RYSKIN SPREAD LIES IN FORUMS - THE CALDARI IS NOT VIABLE FOR PVP. USE AMARR ARMAGEDDON FOR REAL PVP BS.
Duke Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.08.11 16:09:00 - [18] Originally by: ISK Launderer Originally by: Sera Ryskin Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 11/08/2009 09:18:42 Originally by: fmercury Originally by: Normin Bates The perfect PvP Raven stays docked in the hanger for PvP TBH. Spoken like a true person who has no idea what they're talking about This. The torp Raven is arguably the best close-range gank battleship, only the Armageddon can even come close. As for a setup, the one AstroPhobic posted is the correct setup. Just be warned, it requires AWU V to fit, without that skill you'll have to use a named MWD and either drop a BCU for a PDU or downgrade one or both of the neuts to small neuts. RAVEN IS PURE IDIOCY FOR PVP! SERA RYSKIN SPREAD LIES IN FORUMS - THE CALDARI IS NOT VIABLE FOR PVP. USE AMARR ARMAGEDDON FOR REAL PVP BS. CAPS LOCK MEANS I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!
Aingelluss	Posted - 2009.08.12 16:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Duke Starbuckington CAPS LOCK MEANS I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! another cool story bro
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.08.12 17:08:00 - [20] 4th T2 BCU = 6% more DPS

Dr Fighter	Posted - 2009.08.12 17:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Sokratesz 4th T2 BCU = 6% more DPS sweet! one more % than the best implant. bargin.
AstroPhobic Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.08.12 17:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Sokratesz 4th T2 BCU = 6% more DPS 6.8% iirc
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.08.12 19:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Originally by: Denuo Secus Why not one heavy neut instead of two mediums (not sure if one med and one heavy fit)? I thought range matters most in neut business? Because of 24km point range for instance. Also torp range would be almost equal. I'm interested in your tactics using this two mediums - which are certainly better against more than one frig and/or if they are equipped with nos or cap booster because of shorter cycles of medium neuts. No grid for a heavy neut. I'm in the 'exotic land' of Montreal Canada so I don't have EFT on this computer - but can a heavy neut be fit with an RCU II + quad Lif MWD? Why the emphasis on t2 mwd's when they burn out faster? If its cap savings I'd still go with the quad-lif. If the heavy cant be fit with a T2 RCU II - Id just leave the utilities empty and space the launchers 2x - empty - 2x - empty - 2x to be able to overheat them longer. Id use a low slot eccm to deal with ecm drones instead of a 4th bcs II. A PDU II might be better too for the extra buffer. Important Internet Spaceship League Wants You
Vee Zee	Posted - 2009.08.12 22:56:00 - [24] You can see it in the fit I posted.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.08.13 01:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Vee Zee You can see it in the fit I posted. Duh - I totally missed it. I would probably use that fit in 0.0, and fit a point in low sec. Important Internet Spaceship League Wants You
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.08.13 17:36:00 - [26] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Sokratesz 4th T2 BCU = 6% more DPS 6.8% iirc 5.988, just did the math
AstroPhobic Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.08.13 17:47:00 - [27] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Sokratesz 4th T2 BCU = 6% more DPS 6.8% iirc 5.988, just did the math using t2 damage mods? hm I wonder where the 6.8 i'm remembering is from
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2009.08.13 18:50:00 - [28] MY RAVEN WAS EQUIPED WITH THE FOLLOWING: -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
GGjita	Posted - 2009.08.13 22:22:00 - [29] The 5.9% or rounding to 6% is the correct number. As to whether 3 or 4 BCU's is better I would think that in pvp 3 would be better since you can prolly add something better in that last spot that would increase your survivability better than 6% dps would. In pve though go for that 4th BCU all the way.
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.14 02:05:00 - [30] To perfect any PvP Raven (or most any missile ship) nowadays merely add three other gang members with webs, painters and tackle.



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