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Bunnyslayer
Minmatar
Order Of The Sentinel
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:28:00 -
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Yes, I know what a WCS is, but in both of these situations it would seem that neither had one fit.
Examples:
1. Had a drake down to about 20% structure when he simply warps away. Now I have full cap and am 5k away and my corp mate claims to have been in range and near full cap. So 2 points, passive drake, we get him into structure before he warps. Why wait till so close to death before warping if you can get out?
2. Had a thorax pointed and in range. Corp mate arrives, cause if you're gonna kill something you may as well over kill it, Thorax warps off. We catch him again, get 3 points on him and he dies. No stabs fit to his ship.
Summary: At least once (seemingly twice), I have had people warp off while scrammed for no reason. Just wondering if it's me or anyone else is noticing this lately. Both instances have been in the last 24 hours.
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The Bane of All Things Fuzzy
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Dilligafmofo
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:33:00 -
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Indeed, had a brutix half into structure, scrammed and he warped away, just last night.
The swine was taunting in local afterwards too.
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Frobos
Weird Cat Research
Zombie Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:35:00 -
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They most likely logged while you were shooting them and you saw the emergency warp that happened.
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Dilligafmofo
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:36:00 -
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not in my case sir, was in hisec too, so doubtful wcs were to blame either.
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Arous Drephius
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Frobos
They most likely logged while you were shooting them and you saw the emergency warp that happened.
They wouldn't emergency warp.
If they logged out BEFORE you aggressed them then they simply vanish after 1 minute.
If they logged out WHILE you were aggressing them then they vanish after 15 mins.
There is no e-warp in either case.
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Bunnyslayer
Minmatar
Order Of The Sentinel
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:47:00 -
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Neither logged. Both still in local. Plus, as stated, the e-warp wont save you when pointed. You have 15mins to kill them if they log while scramed.
Good to know I'm not going nuts, bad to know that this is happening again.
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Leather Jack
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Posted - 2009.08.11 16:00:00 -
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Warp Scramblers and Disruptors are chance based just like other E-war modules.
I dont have the equation or what to call it, but it's got to do with warp jamming strength vs propulsion strength.
In the Thorax case he would've had a Ion Propulsion Strength of
7 points, as would be compared to his Magnetometric Sensor Strength of
15 points, would you try to ECM the guy.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Thorax
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Darcon Kylote
Terminal Impact
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Posted - 2009.08.11 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bunnyslayer
Neither logged. Both still in local. Plus, as stated, the e-warp wont save you when pointed. You have 15mins to kill them if they log while scramed.
Whether agressed or not, you still emergency warp to a random safe 1mil km away. If agressed, your ship sites there in space for 15mins and can be probed down. If not agressed, it disappears immediately upon reaching the safe (or it might be 60 seconds there, not quite sure).
Either way you will warp out even if there is a point on you 30 seconds after logging.
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Le Sac
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.08.11 16:14:00 -
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Leather Jack, those stats are just from a scrapped idea on the part of CCP about stasis webbifying. Warp disruption is not based on chance.
Maybe they sneaked out of range if you were using a scrambler? Sounds silly but you never knoow...
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Ga'len
The Wandering Druid of Tranquility
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Posted - 2009.08.11 16:41:00 -
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Interesting....desync can cause this...however, there was an old "desync" exploit that many carebears used to use back in the day.
Yes, I am talking about an exploit, I can feel the ban hammer coming down....
It's called "having a second client ready to logon and having it logon at the same time as hitting crtl+q on the active client". It's an old exploit that used to be used by a few of the carebears Nexa Necis used to war dec while I was part of his motley crew.
Unfortunately, it's an exploit that I have seen many people use in the past month or so. I have lost a few kills to this one as well in both high sec and low sec. I would guess that it's possibly due to something being broken with the last patch and no one has called it out until now.
This is how it works (looks up at the ban hammer coming down):
You will have a second eve client sitting on the logon screen with your password already entered in. You hit crtl-Q on your main client and press connect on the second client. The server sees a logon event for what it thought was an active connection, decides on a desync event and emergency warps off your target. They never leave local as they are actively logging into the same system they just logged off from.
My advice, petition it every time it happens. The server logs WILL show SOMETHING. They WILL show aggro event, they WILL show the exchange of weapons fire and effects and the server logs WILL show A LOGON EVENT during the combat for one of the combatants.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Leather Jack
Warp Scramblers and Disruptors are chance based just like other E-war modules.
I dont have the equation or what to call it, but it's got to do with warp jamming strength vs propulsion strength.
In the Thorax case he would've had a Ion Propulsion Strength of
7 points, as would be compared to his Magnetometric Sensor Strength of
15 points, would you try to ECM the guy.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Thorax
troll, or just totally ignorant?
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Caldari
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:44:00 -
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I once warped off while being pointed by a HIC, true story
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Eagle142
Ha'Menudim
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:54:00 -
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I also had a problem like this, was a few hours after the DT yesterday where it said there had been a delay because of an issue with a cluster. Was sitting outside the station in my Broadsword (with infipoint) scanning to see what was about when an Orca undocks onto me, so im not gunna kill it before it docks up again but what the heck, so I engage, it docks up, it then undocks again, I engage again, and wonder why it's sitting there slowly turning, double checked I had my point on (also checked logs later, and am 100% sure it was on) just as he entered armor he warped off....He hadn't logged or anything, was still in local until he left the system, I convod the pilot after to try find out how he managed to warp off but got no reply.  |
Xephys
Dark Twilight Solutions
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Posted - 2009.08.11 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Bunnyslayer
Neither logged. Both still in local. Plus, as stated, the e-warp wont save you when pointed. You have 15mins to kill them if they log while scramed.
Good to know I'm not going nuts, bad to know that this is happening again.
Wrong, just today I had a maller pointed, who logged while I was waiting for corp mates to show up. He vanished after 1 minute, or around that time, it most certainly wasn't 15.
He logged back on and warped right into us and our guns, but that's different.
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Infinitus Perrenis
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.08.11 20:25:00 -
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Hey all, can someone tell me what "pointed" means. I get the aligned part, that means they are aligned to a bookmark or location to warp to. I get the WCS being a warp core stabilizer or stab but the "pointed" thing has me confused. Thanks!
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Krystal Vernet
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.08.11 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Infinitus Perrenis
Hey all, can someone tell me what "pointed" means. I get the aligned part, that means they are aligned to a bookmark or location to warp to. I get the WCS being a warp core stabilizer or stab but the "pointed" thing has me confused. Thanks!
Warp disruptor or scrambler module(s) active on the target, preventing the target from successfully initiating the warp core, which prevents the target from warping out. Each successful application of the disruptor or scrambler module on the target is termed a "point", so if all goes well and you successfully activate the module, you've pointed the target.
>_>
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Infinitus Perrenis
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.08.11 20:37:00 -
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Thank you Krystal, I understand it now...hell it even makes sense too!
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Krystal Vernet
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.08.11 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Infinitus Perrenis
Thank you Krystal, I understand it now...hell it even makes sense too!
You'll graduate from the University of Caille with honors now! \o/
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Monikerina
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Posted - 2009.08.11 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Eagle142
I also had a problem like this, was a few hours after the DT yesterday where it said there had been a delay because of an issue with a cluster. Was sitting outside the station in my Broadsword (with infipoint) scanning to see what was about when an Orca undocks onto me, so im not gunna kill it before it docks up again but what the heck, so I engage, it docks up, it then undocks again, I engage again, and wonder why it's sitting there slowly turning, double checked I had my point on (also checked logs later, and am 100% sure it was on) just as he entered armor he warped off....He hadn't logged or anything, was still in local until he left the system, I convod the pilot after to try find out how he managed to warp off but got no reply.
Bubble or targeted?
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Eagle142
Ha'Menudim
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Monikerina
Bubble or targeted?
Targeted |
Taram Caldar
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 11/08/2009 21:13:45
Originally by: Leather Jack
Warp Scramblers and Disruptors are chance based just like other E-war modules.
I dont have the equation or what to call it, but it's got to do with warp jamming strength vs propulsion strength.
In the Thorax case he would've had a Ion Propulsion Strength of
7 points, as would be compared to his Magnetometric Sensor Strength of
15 points, would you try to ECM the guy.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Thorax
I cannot begin to state just how silly you are. Learn game mechanics before ever posting advice in C&P again please.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:13:00 -
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We had a Rupture warp out of my HIC bubble a couple days ago, he was pointed by one of my gangmates too. I assumed he was stabbed and slipped out of my bubble range, then warped off.
Now I wonder.
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Taram Caldar
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
We had a Rupture warp out of my HIC bubble a couple days ago, he was pointed by one of my gangmates too. I assumed he was stabbed and slipped out of my bubble range, then warped off.
Now I wonder.
Jimmer... have you trained HIC 5 yet? I thought we talked about this :)
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:18:00 -
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Yes, I have had this quite a few times.
Once we had a HIC point as well as 5 disruptor points on a Raven and he warped, we were gob smacked tbh.
There is definitely something weird going on and this is since the whole HIC point problem occurred.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.08.11 22:52:00 -
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What Ga'Len said... (I actually didnt talk about it).
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Lanais Suleia
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Posted - 2009.08.11 22:52:00 -
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HICs have needed nerfing for a while. |
RoCkEt X
Caldari
Hostile.
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Posted - 2009.08.11 23:00:00 -
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had it happen to one of my HIC chars aswell, scorpion simply warped off without even locking me lol... even the scorp pilot couldnt believe it, we convo'd him and asked for screenshots of his officer WCS :D but to no avail :)
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Junkzinat0r
Minmatar
Owwww My Eye
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Posted - 2009.08.11 23:38:00 -
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Do the HIC's and regular interdictors come with penalties to their bubbles??
I find it rather ridiculous that WCS's now have punishing attributes to fit which makes them practically worthless yet now you can bubble which WCS's have no affect against anyway...
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Amir Baki
Amarr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.12 00:03:00 -
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I believe hics can hardly move when they bubble up
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Scum Ball
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Posted - 2009.08.12 00:15:00 -
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T3 interdiction nulifiers are a mini-nerf to HICs and DICs.
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