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Erika Bronz
Gallente
The Wyld Hunt
Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2009.08.15 05:05:00 -
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Caldari is for tank, Gallente is for gank. Remove the crappy active tank bonus from all Gallente ships. Give ROF instead, at least on the Brutix and Hyperion. If there absolutely needs to be an active tank bonus on Gallente ships, give it to the drone boats, in my opinion. With a ROF bonus the Hyperion might even drop a highslot and gain a lowslot.
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2009.08.15 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Tulisin Dragonflame on 15/08/2009 12:11:28
Edited by: Tulisin Dragonflame on 15/08/2009 12:10:28
Give it 125 drone capacity for starters. No excuse for the most massive subcapital Gallente ship being a poor drone carrier.
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.08.15 12:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Erika Bronz
Caldari is for tank, Gallente is for gank. Remove the crappy active tank bonus from all Gallente ships. Give ROF instead, at least on the Brutix and Hyperion. If there absolutely needs to be an active tank bonus on Gallente ships, give it to the drone boats, in my opinion. With a ROF bonus the Hyperion might even drop a highslot and gain a lowslot.
Well with an EXTRA rof bonus you mean? That would make it incredbly overpowered in fact.
Hyperion just needs more fittings. Also ALL active tankign bonus of both gallente and minmatar shoudl be revided. They are patheticaly inferior to resist ones. If they were made 7.5% repair/boost PLUS 7.5% extra HP then they woudl be ALMOST ok.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.15 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 15/08/2009 14:01:58
Originally by: Seishi Maru
Originally by: Erika Bronz
Caldari is for tank, Gallente is for gank. Remove the crappy active tank bonus from all Gallente ships. Give ROF instead, at least on the Brutix and Hyperion. If there absolutely needs to be an active tank bonus on Gallente ships, give it to the drone boats, in my opinion. With a ROF bonus the Hyperion might even drop a highslot and gain a lowslot.
Well with an EXTRA rof bonus you mean? That would make it incredbly overpowered in fact.
Hyperion just needs more fittings. Also ALL active tankign bonus of both gallente and minmatar shoudl be revided. They are patheticaly inferior to resist ones. If they were made 7.5% repair/boost PLUS 7.5% extra HP then they woudl be ALMOST ok.
overpowered for 2 minutes if you don't have cap charges, or probably 10 minutes if you have.
and I can even say that the tempest, even with a dual damage bonus still rather sucks monkey balls.
RoF bonus makes ships do more DPS than a straight out damage bonus, but there's a reason why you see them mostly applied to non-cap consuming weapons: cap consumption goes to the roof aswell.
as it is today, blaster ships walk on the edge of the blade. They don't do much more damage than pulses, which in turn have a range advantage of over 300%, together with the fact that blaster ships eat as much cap as ammo.
truth to be told, going for that bonus requires testing first to see how it handles, and how powerful can the ship become, but, you're applying more damage AND cap stress to a weapon configuration that is already stressed in cap.
honestly, hyperion should've had the RoF bonus back then when they introduced.
as for the boost bonus on the maelstrom? it was projected to be a 10% shield HP bonus instead boost bonus, and considering the fleet profile of the maelstrom, there were people (me included ) asking for the ship to actually have a 5%dmg instead a 5% RoF, making it having a 5%dmg + 10% shield HP pr. lvl.
but people whined that "it's a tier3 BS, it should do moar damage!!11one"
anyways, I digress.
hyperion with stats as it is today, minus armor repping bonus, plus RoF bonus.
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FievelGoesPostal
Gallente
The Giant Squid Corp.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 14:52:00 -
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Forget the RoF bonus. If you are gonna remove the rep bonus, add one or two more low slots for the extra buffer and maybe a resistance bonus.
It doesnt need a RoF bonus as if you remove the rep bonus, it will be buffered and can fit Neutron's and will be dishing out anywhere from 1100-1400 dps
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Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.08.15 15:43:00 -
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Why not just boost the rep amount so that it actually tanks better? Right now it doesn't exactly tank enough to be better then the buffer tanks for pvp.
Only bad part is that buffing rep amount also buffs PVE fits.
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2009.08.15 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lisento Slaven
Why not just boost the rep amount so that it actually tanks better? Right now it doesn't exactly tank enough to be better then the buffer tanks for pvp.
Only bad part is that buffing rep amount also buffs PVE fits.
Boost the overheat bonus. That keeps PVE balance (mostly) the same, whilst making PVP active tanks better.
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Harotak
THE FINAL STAND
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 22:01:00 -
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The hype has niche roles that it excells at. The mega and domi can fill any other roll perfectly. Other races like minmatar have HUGE holes in their battleship lineup that need to be fixed. This is coming from a pilot that flys the hyperion allmost exclusively.
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.08.15 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Edited by: Grimpak on 15/08/2009 14:01:58
Originally by: Seishi Maru
Originally by: Erika Bronz
Caldari is for tank, Gallente is for gank. Remove the crappy active tank bonus from all Gallente ships. Give ROF instead, at least on the Brutix and Hyperion. If there absolutely needs to be an active tank bonus on Gallente ships, give it to the drone boats, in my opinion. With a ROF bonus the Hyperion might even drop a highslot and gain a lowslot.
Well with an EXTRA rof bonus you mean? That would make it incredbly overpowered in fact.
Hyperion just needs more fittings. Also ALL active tankign bonus of both gallente and minmatar shoudl be revided. They are patheticaly inferior to resist ones. If they were made 7.5% repair/boost PLUS 7.5% extra HP then they woudl be ALMOST ok.
overpowered for 2 minutes if you don't have cap charges, or probably 10 minutes if you have.
and I can even say that the tempest, even with a dual damage bonus still rather sucks monkey balls.
RoF bonus makes ships do more DPS than a straight out damage bonus, but there's a reason why you see them mostly applied to non-cap consuming weapons: cap consumption goes to the roof aswell.
as it is today, blaster ships walk on the edge of the blade. They don't do much more damage than pulses, which in turn have a range advantage of over 300%, together with the fact that blaster ships eat as much cap as ammo.
truth to be told, going for that bonus requires testing first to see how it handles, and how powerful can the ship become, but, you're applying more damage AND cap stress to a weapon configuration that is already stressed in cap.
honestly, hyperion should've had the RoF bonus back then when they introduced.
as for the boost bonus on the maelstrom? it was projected to be a 10% shield HP bonus instead boost bonus, and considering the fleet profile of the maelstrom, there were people (me included) asking for the ship to actually have a 5%dmg instead a 5% RoF, making it having a 5%dmg + 10% shield HP pr. lvl.
but people whined that "it's a tier3 BS, it should do moar damage!!11one"
anyways, I digress.
hyperion with stats as it is today, minus armor repping bonus, plus RoF bonus.
ok sure.. then give maelstrom a 7.5% damage bonus in place of its shield boost bonus.. by your logic that woudl be very balanced. Sicne it woudl be overpowered for exactly 90 secodns until the clip of the arties end....
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Xing Fey
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Posted - 2009.08.16 00:00:00 -
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Make rep amount bonuses also affect incoming emote reps. 
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Mosquito Miner
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Posted - 2009.08.16 04:18:00 -
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ROF bonus is pointless, the Mega and Domi already have Massive DPS, we need to find a way to make the Hyperion good for something the Megathron and Dominix don't already do.
Consider the remote sensor dampening idea, how cool would it be to have heavy ew + some decent guns?
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Lusian
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Posted - 2009.08.16 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mosquito Miner
ROF bonus is pointless, the Mega and Domi already have Massive DPS, we need to find a way to make the Hyperion good for something the Megathron and Dominix don't already do.
Consider the remote sensor dampening idea, how cool would it be to have heavy ew + some decent guns?
You have a point. But the problem is taht Efficiency is not a battleships strong point, at least from what I have seen. Unless I am mistken then call me on it. The hyperion has only 1 attribute and that is to tank till it runs out of cap. With a heavy nosx2 maybe it will last long enough for help to arrive. But in the end you can only hope that you picked an easy enough target.
Originally by: Harotak
The hype has niche roles that it excells at. The mega and domi can fill any other roll perfectly. Other races like minmatar have HUGE holes in their battleship lineup that need to be fixed. This is coming from a pilot that flys the hyperion allmost exclusively.
Thats kinda interesting, many piots wont fly it exclusively. I build them for the isk and for defence alone. Although I would like to take it in roaming gangs I personally don't have the hybrid skills to get the maximum damage output from it. Being that said I could divert my tank enough to supply my reps to just a little bit more then going all out dps and reping.
Ultimately the reping bonus on the hyperion makes it a suefull ship but the Myrmidon and Brutix does a much more efficient job of the same attribute in my opinion. It sahould have been given a different attreibute instead of reping. Something hat the other tier 1 and 2 battleships currently couldn't excell at like hyperion should have if it were given a second chance.
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Seven Six
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Posted - 2009.08.17 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: Seven Six on 17/08/2009 13:11:11
The main problem is that its designed as an active tanking ship and it only has 6 lows - why give it a bonus that if used to its best potential gimps the rest of the setup? Also this thing has garbage cap stability - needs to mwd close to be of use - ouch there goes all my cap AND im injecting.
Though i must say amazing looking ship and I like flying them even if they arent the best!
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fmercury
NibbleTek
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Posted - 2009.08.17 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: fmercury on 17/08/2009 13:21:46
Hyperion is fine. Good, even. Use it like it was meant to be used and you'll be surprised at what it can do.
Also exile boosters are your friends. And fit 2 heavy cap booster IIs.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.08.17 13:24:00 -
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I agree boost projectiles and tempest 
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kyrv
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Posted - 2009.08.17 13:36:00 -
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150% bonus to damage and weld the turrets to the struture so it aligns in tracking job done
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Chr0nosX
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 14:07:00 -
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Hyp is a good ship - leave it alone, only thing I don't like is large blasters tracking without a tracking bonus like from the mega. Use electrons, dual rep tank and 2 heavy cap boosters.
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