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Linna Excel Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2012.06.23 02:51:00 - [31] - Quote What I think research in eve should be like Click the link, it talks about how I think getting T2 BPOs in eve should be done. The purpose of hi sec isn't to eliminate PvP but to weed out the dumb pvpers.
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 612	Posted - 2012.06.23 15:27:00 - [32] - Quote 0Lona 0ltor wrote: 3c) nothing would change significantly, slight T2 price rise until inventors stabilised market 5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed, This made me quite curious. If you think TII item prices wouldn't change significantly, where would the "much more ISK" come from? Do you think inventors would be able to procure materials much cheaper if there were no BPOs? Or invent/build more items in the same time using the same number of slots?
0Lona 0ltor Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD. 29	Posted - 2012.06.23 18:25:00 - [33] - Quote Abdiel Kavash wrote: 0Lona 0ltor wrote: 3c) nothing would change significantly, slight T2 price rise until inventors stabilised market 5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed, This made me quite curious. If you think TII item prices wouldn't change significantly, where would the "much more ISK" come from? Do you think inventors would be able to procure materials much cheaper if there were no BPOs? Or invent/build more items in the same time using the same number of slots? Yeah it's kind hard to describe with 4 limited choices per question. I items where the bulk comes from invention no inventor would make any note worthy increased profit from the absence of T2bPO however items where the bulk or 100% comes from T2BPO as in many T2 Ship lines of course new profits would be open to inventors depending on how fiercely inventors undercut each other.
Che Biko Humanitarian Communists 96	Posted - 2012.06.24 00:37:00 - [34] - Quote Q-SOLO : Your opinion about T2 BPOs ? QSc) don't care The way I understand it, the benefit the BPO's give is balanced by their value. And that money can't be spend to make profit using other means as long as you keep it locked in BPO format. Join in game channel/mailing list: New Eden Racing Sub-warp racing event thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107164
RDevz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 105	Posted - 2012.06.25 00:59:00 - [35] - Quote 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1c) made ISK and quit inventing 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2b) one without a T2 BPO is better to invent for profit 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3d) other - please specify T2 items with excess BPO capacity to their demand (i.e. those items priced lower than the cost to invent and build) would get more expensive as the costs of invention are factored into their minimum profitable sale price 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5c) nothing would change significantly I'd expect to see a larger number of inventors come to the market, but no major change in per capita profits. 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6d) other - please specify No opinion 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7a) they got it too easily The invention lottery was a mistake made many years ago. 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8d) no opinion / other - please specify This question doesn't make sense. 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9a) I am for their removal 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care / other - please specify T2 BPOs are not a factor in my subscription. 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11a) no compensation whatsoever I don't get compensated when FOTM ship #17 that I spent time and ISK training for gets nerfed into uselessness. 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? A flood of tears in the forum from those who are no longer able to print ISK from their T2 BPOs. ~~~10,058~~~
Mourn Assisted Homicide 22	Posted - 2012.07.02 19:59:00 - [36] - Quote 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1c) made ISK and quit inventing 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3d) other - Some less popular lines that were maintained by T2 BPO producers would become more viable to invent on short term making prices rise temporarily, however supply/demand would balance this out over time. 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4c) nothing would change significantly 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5c) nothing would change significantly 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6d) T2 BPO's should be NON TRANSFERABLE and should be phazed out naturally as they are lost/ destroyed / player unsubcribes - This in my opinion is the only fair way of correcting the mistake CCP made by introducing them in the first place as many players have made a significant investment in this game to have them in the first place. 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7c) 7d) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward- however it still doesn't discount from the fact that they shouldn't have been able to buy/have received this sort of in-game advantage in the first place. How much investment someone put into having something doesn't justify a bad and needless game mechanic. 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward 8d) same as 7d 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9d) Make T2 BPO's NON TRANSFERABLE- current owners stuck with them and not be able to trade them. They will have full use of them and get value from them as long as they are playing EVE, however as these players eventually stop playing or stop using T2 BPO these BPO's will eventually drop out of use in the game instead of being recirculated into the BPO market. 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care / not focused on that area of EVE atm but I feel that it would be better for eve economy as a whole if they were phazed out. 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11d) compensation of what they payed to get them if they were bought, if original owners from lottery they should get a bpc that would have enough runs on it to last for next year or so. 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? The amount of t2 BPO holders is so small i dont see any major impact of having a few more Multi-billionare Pilots floating around EVE
Mechael Ouroboros Executor Collective 157	Posted - 2012.07.03 18:23:00 - [37] - Quote 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1d) keep making ISK from invention 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2d) other - While supply/demand ratios for any given item can make it very profitable regardless of T2 BPOs, T2 BPOs will always cut into profit. 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3c) nothing would change significantly 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4c) nothing would change significantly 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5c) nothing would change significantly 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive (there needs to be a way to put researched blueprints on the open market, including BPCs) 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7d) no opinion / other - Our efforts to obtain something that compromises the nature of the sandbox are and always should be irrelevant. 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8d) no opinion / other - See 7d. 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9a) I am for their removal 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10b) I might eventually quit the game if T2 BPOs were not removed 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11d) other - Don't much care. 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? I'll leave that to other people to figure out, but frankly I can't see much harm coming from anything that won't correct itself over time. Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it.
True Sight Deep Freeze Industries 26	Posted - 2012.07.07 11:27:00 - [38] - Quote ... ___ BIG POLL START ___ ... 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1c) made ISK and quit inventing 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4c) nothing would change significantly 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5c) nothing would change significantly 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7d) no opinion / other - please specify (I was in the lottery too, didn't win anything) 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8d) no opinion / other - please specify 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9b) I am against their removal 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years 11c) current market ISK value for their BPO 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? This question should be answered in your own words. None. ... ___ BIG POLL END ___ ...
Cyprus Black Segmentum Solar Intrepid Crossing 252	Posted - 2012.07.09 01:23:00 - [39] - Quote This again? Asking the same stupid question over and over doesn't yield different results. The results from the last T2 BPO whine poll didn't return the results you were looking for? Doing it again? Hmm. I don't own a T2 BPO The existence of T2 BPO's has such little influence on my gameplay that it's only worth mentioning here in this thread. I hold more concern for my PI extractor timers than I hold for T2 BPOs. I don't care about the small handful of T2 BPOs. There. Same answers as last time this "poll" thread came out. I look forward to seeing the next T2 BPO poll come out after this one yields results you didn't like. You wouldn't complain about needles when you get a tattoo. So why would you complain about PvP when you play EVE?
Chanina ASGARD HEAVY INDUSTRIES Viking Empire 19	Posted - 2012.07.11 11:26:00 - [40] - Quote 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1d) keep making ISK from invention 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2d) other - specify something between b) and c), highly used items not to easy to mass produce with bpos (T2 mining crystals or command ships are dominated by T2 BPO owners) 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3d) other - please specify price might go up through higher demand on materials. increasing Technetium bottleneck as long as it is present. 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive (takes years of production to get in costs in some cases) 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7d) no opinion / other - please specify depends on whether they got it recently (than b) ) or got it back in the days of lottery (than a) ) 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8d) no opinion / other - please specify same as nr. 7 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9a) I am for their removal 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care / other - please specify there are too many good things in this game to make subscription dependent on one thing. 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11d) other - please specify kind of b) but not 5 years. just a set of max run bpcs would be enough (IMO) 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? with those bpcs the change from bpo to invention only would be smoothed out invention has time to catch up speed for increased demand (or less supply).

Dusenman Krait Corp Fidelas Constans 9	Posted - 2012.07.11 14:18:00 - [41] - Quote 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1a) no experience with invention 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5d) other - please specify - unsure 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6d) other - please specify - who in there right mind sells a t2 BPO? 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7d) no opinion / other - please specify - It is all about who has the isk. 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8d) no opinion / other - please specify - no opinion 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9a) I am for their removal 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care / other - please specify none of the above 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years 11c) current market ISK value for their BPO 11d) other - please specify B or C are good option. 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? This question should be answered in your own words. If CCP game isk. There would be a clear influx of isk. But I am not sure how it would effect the market. BPC should not do much of anything. GM Homonoia: In other words; feel free to use the tactic, but don't be an utter and total *.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 1169	Posted - 2012.07.12 03:43:00 - [42] - Quote Cyprus Black wrote: This again? Asking the same stupid question over and over doesn't yield different results. The results from the last T2 BPO whine poll didn't return the results you were looking for? Doing it again? [...] Hmm. I look forward to seeing the next T2 BPO poll come out after this one yields results you didn't like. You might want to take a peek into the discussion thread linked in the OP and see what MY personal stance actually is before assuming the exact opposite P.S. Only slightly related, it's funny how many people that actually answer that they would prefer T2 BPOs removed answer most of the rest of the questions in ways which would indicate they do not really believe their removal would make much of a difference for inventors or the economy. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T T2 BPO poll : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 1169	Posted - 2012.07.12 04:06:00 - [43] - Quote Sufficient opinions were expressed so far to have MY personal opinions not tamper much with the running of the poll. Added a few clarifications to each of the answers for those who wish to "understand" why I support those choices. 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1c) made ISK and quit inventing Not a lot of ISK though, it's too boring and clickfesty for my taste, I prefer trading - however, KNOWING how invention works is crucial for trading. 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence It is true that for some items that have no T2 BPOs invention is almost never profitable, but sadly, the exact same thing happens with some items that have no T2 BPOs. The problem in that latter case is inventors who fail to do the proper math before starting invention. 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed A few items which are unprofitable to invent would become much more expensive while dropping in manufactured volume, and all items would become a bit more expensive due to the waste inherent in invention which taxes whatever bottleneck moon minerals exist. 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4c) nothing would change significantly While there would be more inventors around, their numbers will not be SIGNIFICANTLY higher - the waste on bottleneck materials will lower the total amount of items that can be manufactured, leading to only slightly more inventors. 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5c) nothing would change significantly Initially, per-inventor character profit MIGHT go up, but the slight increase in inventor numbers will offset most of that, ending up with inventors making more or less the same profit they make today, if not lower thanks to more people attempting financially doomed inventions without bothering with the math and then trying to recover whatever ISK they can. 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced By the very nature of the free market, they can NOT be unreasonably priced. While I personally would NOT bother to buy one at the current prices (very low RoI), it makes sense for certain classes of people to buy some (in particular people with too much idle ISK), and for others to sell theirs (liquidity shortages and other business opportunities). On average, the price is "just right" for both of those extreme circumstance parties and a trade is made. 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7d) no opinion / other - please specify I consider this to be irrelevant. 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8d) no opinion / other - please specify I consider this to be irrelevant. 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9b) I am against their removal There is only a minimal benefit in removing them, and fair compensation would be problematic for the game as a whole ; they might not be great to have, but removing them would be worse ; I would much more support a heavy buff for invention, be it in reducing clicks, lowering waste or any other number of things, and also, adding alternative ways to obtain bottleneck moongoo. 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care / other - please specify While my confidence in CCP being able to do the "rational thing" would go down a notch, it would not be enough to overshadow the many other good things the game has to offer. Plus, I have a truckload of ISK from trade to afford PLEXing until after my likely time of death. 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11d) other - please specify The only halfway reasonable option would be to grant about a third of the current market price PLUS at least 5 years' worth of BPCs. 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? The ISK coming in from compensations will wreak havoc with the EVE economy for quite a while until it settles. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T T2 BPO poll : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service 80	Posted - 2012.07.14 07:42:00 - [44] - Quote 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1d) keep making ISK from invention 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3c) nothing would change significantly 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4c) nothing would change significantly 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5c) nothing would change significantly 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6d) other - please specify: don't care 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7d) no opinion / other - please specify: don't care 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8d) no opinion / other - please specify: don't care 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9a) I am for their removal 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care / other - please specify 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? Probably depending on the BPO in question 'fire sales' or disgruntled (and probably quitting) BPO holders.. also a lot more people feeling they've got a chance now to 'close in' on the others in the field, so more people taking a stab at it. PS: I think the problem with them isn't really the economic side of things.. it's more a problem of perceived fairness to be able to get one. You want a tech moon? Fine, grab some friends and go for it! You want a sansha capital? Fine, grab some friends and go for it! You want xyz? Fine, grab some friends and go for it! You want a T2 BPO? Sorry dude, try to buy one from anyone willing to part with his.. if no one wants to sell, you're out of luck, no matter what you do. That's un-sandboxy.
Laechyd Eldgorn Molden Heath Angels 41	Posted - 2012.07.17 12:53:00 - [45] - Quote 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1c) made ISK and quit inventing 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2b) one without a T2 BPO is better to invent for profit 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3d) other - please specify : rare item prices would change up and down probably depending on short term profit margin, popular item prices wouldn't change much in long term 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5d) other - please specify: i do not believe profit for popular items would change much because of fair competition, but rare items would probably have opportunities for greater profit 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6d) other - please specify: irrelevant/doesn't matter, this is case where we have artificially created situtation where someone already has something which affects others and others cannot have it. 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7d) no opinion / other - please specify: irrelevant, those who have bought bpo have of course made effort but again nothing to do with our nice artificially created situtation. 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8d) no opinion / other - please specify 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9a) I am for their removal 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care / other - please specify: I am not likely to do much invention as it is now. 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11c) current market ISK value for their BPO 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? Amount of ISK given out for compensating losses of T2 BPO's would be somewhat irrelevant for economy.
Aineko Macx Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 200	Posted - 2012.07.21 06:57:00 - [46] - Quote 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1d) keep making ISK from invention 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2d) other - specify: The per item margin is higher with the BPO, however, invention can easily be scaled, thus you can compensate via volume. 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3d) other - please specify: It depends on the item. In some low volume markets prices are dictated by the T2 BPO producers, thus removing them would increase the price to at least invention break even level. For the other items, it doesn't matter. 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4c) nothing would change significantly 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5d) other - please specify: A few more items become profitable to invent. See answer 3. 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced. The equivalent of 5+ years of profit is ludicrous, but that seems the be the value people are willing to pay... 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward. Note: Given the 5+ years to break even doing manufacturing it is a bad investment IMO. That leaves collectors and speculators. 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward. See answer 7. 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9d) do not care / other - please specify. It would have been better if the BPOs were never introduced, no doubts about that. But their impact nowadays is rather small, so letting them be is the lesser evil as opposed to shafting the owners. 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care / other - please specify - I'm an inventor, not T2 BPO owner. 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? Handing out ISK to owners is unpossible. If you want to protect the owners, buffing invention is out of the question as well as then they'll never be able to brake even with manufacturing and the BPO market price would plummet. The 5 year BPC option is the best compromise. No ISK injected into the economy, the markets for the items should stay mostly unaffected and the owners are shafted much more gently. Of course, the positive effect only sets in 5 years later...
Smoking Blunts ZC Industries Dark Stripes 333	Posted - 2012.07.22 10:48:00 - [47] - Quote 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1d) keep making ISK from invention 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3c) nothing would change significantly 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4c) nothing would change significantly 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5c) nothing would change significantly 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive ( some are just not worth the prices paid, ROI is 4-8 years in some cases, and i can think of better uses of my isk than that) 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward( these are the titans of the industrial world) 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9b) I am against their removal 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10c) I would quit the game if T2 BPOs WERE removed ( i own some t2 bpo's and have worked my nuts off fto buy them, if they were removed id be pisssed. id rage a little, have a month off and then see if i had intrest in eve after my nerd rage ended) 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11d) there is no way to compensate for there removal. 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? nothing would change significantly OMG when can i get a pic here
Karim alRashid Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 186	Posted - 2012.07.23 15:42:00 - [48] - Quote Uh-oh, how I missed to put forth my valuable and frequently sought for opinion ... 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1d) keep making ISK from invention 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3c) nothing would change significantly 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4c) nothing would change significantly 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5c) nothing would change significantly 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7b) it was too hard for them to get it 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8b) it was too hard for them to get it 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9d) other - please specify Remove BPOs of (or otherwise balance) items, for which majority of the production comes from BPOs as opposed to coming from invention. 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care / other - please specify I don't care that much - some balance is nice to get, but the lack of it not affecting my subscription by itself. 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11c) current market ISK value for their BPO 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? There will be no consequence to the EVE economy, provided (as I expect) that combined market value of all BPOs is insignificant, compared to, say, the monhtly influx of ISK.
Sigras Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N 119	Posted - 2012.07.23 15:53:00 - [49] - Quote 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1c) made ISK and quit inventing - trading makes more ISK 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence - T2 BPOs never set the price of anything since invention was put into the game. 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3c) nothing would change significantly - again, T2 BPOs dont set the price, they just take advantage of it. 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed - this is mainly because of people's flawed idea that the T2 BPOs reduce profit for inventors, you'd see a lot of people try it 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5b) each inventor would earn far less ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed - again, a lot of new inventors would crop up because of peoples flawed ideas about T2 BPOs 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive - if you buy a T2 BPO you will NEVER make your ROI especially if you count opportunity cost. The market is being held so high by the moronic idea that theyre crazy profitable. 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7d) no opinion / other - please specify - It depends on how they got the BPO, the T20 debacle was totally unfair, but the people who got them by research agents lost billions in RP because they could have gotten datacores when the lottery was over; that was completely fair. 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward - especially when you count opportunity cost 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9b) I am against their removal - There is no good way to remove them, and no reason to do so either. I think it adds some interesting lore to the game and shows its age. 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care / other - please specify - They do not effect the price of anything 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11d) other - please specify - I feel like they should get all the RP that the BPO was worth when it was given out, IE how many RP the character had when they got the BPO. that being said, i still dont think thats fair, just the best of a bad situation. 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? Well it would totally crash the datacore market for a while, but its way better than granting BPCs that could be run concurrently, or inflating the ISK even more than it already is by dumping hundreds of billions on the market.
Sable Moran Moran Light Industries 56	Posted - 2012.07.26 15:46:00 - [50] - Quote Q-SOLO : Your opinion about T2 BPOs ? QSb) leave them alone 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1d) keep making ISK from invention 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3d) other - please specify Mostly nothing much would happen price wise, some low volume goods would get a bit or somewhat more expensive 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4d) other - please specify There would most likely be an initial spike in inventor numbers but it would even within a very few months to previous levels 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5c) nothing would change significantly 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6d) other - please specify No opinion really, irrelevant for me 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9b) I am against their removal 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care / other - please specify There would be no effect 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11c) current market ISK value for their BPO 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? Short term effects would very much be noticeable, 10000+ BPO's, each compensated for billions would inject a lot of liquid ISK to EVE economy. Market speculation, hire mercs to do some dirty work, hell buy an alliance. Long term effects? EvE will be EvE. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene.

Sarah Baal I'm So Cool 0	Posted - 2012.08.16 21:37:00 - [51] - Quote 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1d) keep making ISK from invention 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4b) there would be far less inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7a) they got it too easily 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8a) they got it too easily 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9b) I am against their removal 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years or 11c) current market ISK value for their BPO 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? This question should be answered in your own words. Higher prices on some items controlled by t2 bpos owners, what would mess with all the rest of eve comunitie who would need to pay more for determinated items. Why's that? people like to cry about those kind of stuff!
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 10065	Posted - 2012.08.18 14:34:00 - [52] - Quote Q-SOLO : Your opinion about T2 BPOs ? QSb) leave them alone CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Kara Books Deal with IT. 194	Posted - 2012.08.20 02:16:00 - [53] - Quote my single answer to all the questions. This is a setup, but honestly I don't really care, the small stuff will go up but thats bout all that's gonna happen if any changes or nerfs happen, on that note im against nerfing anything, if change happens, then make the less fun things, Fun and enjoyable, dont nerf the already fun things. P.S. I don't want them removed, I want T1 to disappear from NPC sales and both forms T1 and T2 to be researchable via the old research agents, I.E. gotta work yer bat off for any BPO's as people just underestimate the privileges they have with such a powerful ingame type of item.
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 325	Posted - 2012.08.20 19:36:00 - [54] - Quote ... ___ BIG POLL START ___ ... 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1a) no experience with invention 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3c) nothing would change significantly 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5c) nothing would change significantly 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive (i.e. they are imho overvalued given the possibility of a nerf) 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7a) they got it too easily 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8a) they got it too easily 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9a) I am for their removal 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care / other - please specify 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11a) no compensation whatsoever 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? does not apply ... ___ BIG POLL END ___ ... I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid.
Obsidiana White-Noise 147	Posted - 2012.08.21 00:52:00 - [55] - Quote b) leave them alone I think the drop rate for invenstion related materials should be increased and improved. I think the time has come for invention to overshadow T2 BPOs. The current invention system was designed to preserve T2 BPO viability; this is no longer needed or wanted. Invention BPC count and ME levels should reach and potentially eclipse T2 BPOs. If this is done, then T2 BPOs almost may as well not exist.
Allus Nova No Bullshit Jokers Wild. 1	Posted - 2012.08.24 19:20:00 - [56] - Quote 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1a) no experience with invention The reason I have avoided invention so far is due to the innate unfair advantage that exists for those who currently have T2 BPO's, it creates a situation where it is impossible to sell T2 items and make a profit, it's faster to run L1 missions for cash...and that's not saying much. 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2b) one without a T2 BPO is better to invent for profit 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced They are one of the few limited resources in Eve, their prices should reflect that. 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7a) they got it too easily 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8a) they got it too easily 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9a) I am for their removal 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10a) I almost quit the game because T2 BPOs were NOT removed, and will do so soon As someone with multiple accounts, but only a single one active, this IS the reason my other accounts are dormant, I can't make any money crafting T2 gear, so I have no need of several accounts. 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11d) other - please specify I think that those with T2 BPO's should be given 1000 run BPC's with perfect PE/ME for modules and equipment, and 100 run BPC's with perfect PE/ME for ships 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? I think that prices would rise for T2 goods, to reflect the new production costs. However, I don't see having a money sink as a bad thing. People who have 5-10 money holding toons because they have maxed out wallets aren't helping liquidity within the eve economy, they have become essentially moguls who are driving up the costs of all rare goods.
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 472	Posted - 2012.08.31 16:46:00 - [57] - Quote ___ ALTERNATIVE SHORT POLL START ___ ... Q-SOLO : Your opinion about T2 BPOs ? QSb) leave them alone ... ___ ALTERNATIVE SHORT POLL END ___ BIG POLL START ___ ... 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1d) keep making ISK from invention 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3d) other - please specify --- I think that in general, T2 module prices would remain the same, T2 ammo prices would remain the same, and unpopular t2 ship prices would skyrocket... Invention, when coupled with the market, insures that t2 BPO owners set reasonable prices for their goods.... With goods that are ubiquitously used, the t2 BPO holder has little influence on the market as a whole (think 150mm autocannons), but with rare items (mostly ships like the Eagle, etc) t2 BPO holders can produce the majority of items. Since these are slow moving items, T2 BPO producers have to price their stuff competitively to actually move their goods and make money, so they typically sell at low enough prices that invention processes cannot compete... The consumer (i.e. most EvE players) win here, as they are getting the item even cheaper.... The other inventors who tried to compete with the T2 BPO holder don't matter, because they're morons that didn't adequately research their product and idiotically tried to compete in the low-volume market... This is akin to Ford complaining that Chrystler produces an identical vehicle more cheaply, and demands the government step in and fine chrystler's production process so Ford can compete... It takes a special kind of stupid to think this is good for the consumer!!!!! 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4c) nothing would change significantly 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5c) nothing would change significantly 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8d) no opinion / other - please specify -- What does this question even mean?? to own a random one?? You mean how do I feel about the T2 BPO owners that acquired their BPO via the lotter, as opposed to purchasing their BPO as an investment?? I hope that's what you mena by questions 7 & 8, but you need to elaborate a bit there.... BPO owners that purchased their BPO's as an investment deserve all the rewards they can milk out of that investment.... BPO owners that won their BPO in a lottery... lucky for them... it doesn't hurt me, and it doesn't hurt you... so let them be... 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9b) I am ADAMANTLY against their removal 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care / other - please specify --- I don't own any T2 BPO's, but I would be PISSED at CCP for it, unless they more-than-reasonable compensated the T2 BPO holders.... and then I'd be pissed because they took the risk out of OWNING a t2 BPO, as their worth varies dramatically with the game environment. Essentially, I see no good reason to remove them, and so I'd just be pissed off at CCP unless they can come up with a very convincing reason to do as such!!!! 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11b) a RESEARCHED BPC with enough runs to last 5 years (but if you give them this, why bother removing the BPO in the first place!!!!) 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? This question should be answered in your own words. --- The removal of t2 BPO's would primarily result in more expensive t2 ships for most EvE players. Modules and Ammo would remain mostly unchanged. The idiotic inventors that try to compete in difficult, low movement markets would only be happy for a day. They would soon realized that its groups of players that acquire materials at below market prices that are really kicking their ass these markets, and forge another campaign to have CCP make competition fair for them... This almost sounds like the plot of an Ayn Rand book.... ___ [b]BIG POLL END
Conniver Canwin Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.09.06 11:59:00 - [58] - Quote [quote=Akita T] 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1a) no experience with invention 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3c) nothing would change significantly 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4c) nothing would change significantly 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5d) Other - Quite like that inventors would make a little more ask, I wouldn't say much more 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6a) T2 BPOs are expensive, they should be 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7d) no opinion / other - This would vary from person to person 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8d) no opinion / other - This would vary form person to person 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9c) I have not decided yet 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care / other - t2 bpos have no impact on my sub decisions. If I bought one, and it was removed, I probably would cancel my sub, however, I won't be buying one. 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11d) other - I would say a combination of inventors quality bpc's (negative me/pe) and appropriate ISK compensation as well, since they made a huge long-term investment I think they should get both the opportunity to make money on that investment as well as have it refunded. 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? This question should be answered in your own words. It may cause some inflation due to large amounts of ISk being created instantly. Other than that, not a big impact.
Itar Sheep The Black Sheep Inc 4	Posted - 2012.09.07 12:33:00 - [59] - Quote 1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1a) no experience with invention 2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2b) one without a T2 BPO is better to invent for profit 3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3c) nothing would change significantly 4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed 5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed 6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced 7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7a) they got it too easily 8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8a) they got it too easily 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9a) I am for their removal 10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d) do not care / other - please specify 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11d) other - please specify A max run BPC 12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ? None
Reticle Sight Picture 9	Posted - 2012.09.19 19:37:00 - [60] - Quote sorry, didn't feel like doing the whole poll. 9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9a) I am for their removal 11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11d) other - please specify: for owners who bought them, the price they paid (as proven by the contract used to exchange them) minus 10-15% per year they owned it since that contract. People who got them from the initial lottery get nothing. Players who cannot prove they paid get nothing.



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