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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:16:00 -
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Please answer the following multiple choice questions and the final freeform one.
10 of the multiple choice question last answer (d) allows you to specify a more appropriate reply if none of the first three choices appear appropriate enough.
Preferred answer method - copypaste the OP and delete all excess text you disagree with, then fill in additional comments.
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1a) no experience with invention
1b) lost ISK and quit inventing
1c) made ISK and quit inventing
1d) keep making ISK from invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2a) one with a T2 BPO is better to invent for profit
2b) one without a T2 BPO is better to invent for profit
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
2d) other - specify
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3a) T2 items would become cheaper if T2 BPOs would be removed
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed
3c) nothing would change significantly
3d) other - please specify
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed
4b) there would be less inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed
4c) nothing would change significantly
4d) other - please specify
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5a) inventors would earn more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed
5b) inventors would earn less ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed
5c) nothing would change significantly
5d) other - please specify
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive
6b) T2 BPOs are too cheap
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced
6d) other - please specify
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7a) they got it too easily
7b) it was too hard for them to get it
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
7d) no opinion / other - please specify
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8a) they got it too easily
8b) it was too hard for them to get it
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal
9b) I am against their removal
9c) I have not decided yet
9d) do not care / other - please specify
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10a) I almost quit the game because T2 BPOs were NOT removed, and will do so soon
10b) I might eventually quit the game if T2 BPOs were not removed
10c) I would quit the game if T2 BPOs WERE removed
10d) do not care / other - please specify
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11a) no compensation whatsoever
11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years
11c) current market ISK value for their BPO
11d) other - please specify
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
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Preferred answer method - copypaste the OP and delete all lines you disagree with, then fill in additional comments if you chose any of the "d" options.
Feel free to also add some final comments, but please keep it brief - this is an OPINION POLL not a discussion about whether T2 BPOs are really good or bad.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1108
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:20:00 -
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Reserved for (much later) summarizing, if the poll gets sufficient responses.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1636
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Posted - 2012.05.29 02:49:00 -
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed
3c) nothing would change significantly
^^^^ Depending on the item
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
9d) do not care / other - Against wasting Dev Time on something that doesn't matter
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - Not likely to quit the game, but I'd be annoyed at the price hike on uncommon T2 goods
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11a) no compensation whatsoever - Gonna cause RageQuits
11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years - Stupid (and would result in complaints about BPO-Cs for 5 more years.
11c) current market ISK value for their BPO - No such thing
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
B) Since BPCs have a max run, BPO owners would likely end up with a big stack of BPCs that could be run in parallel, allowing them to outproduce inventors in all markets for 6months-1year. Would kill invention for a while.
C) Where's the ISK coming from?
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Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
332
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Posted - 2012.05.29 04:24:00 -
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how many people post in here as it is?
how many of those you reckon can be ****** answering all that ?
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Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
29
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Posted - 2012.05.29 04:36:00 -
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1a) no experience with invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3d) Depends on what is the item in question - Whether or not the item is being saturated currently by a combination of low demand and active BPO production, and whether the owner has the wherewithal to maintain control over that particular market. For most T2 items in general I believe it would have a negligible effect.
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6d) other - They are expensive if you're only taking into account the tangible returns of owning one - ie, its ROI. I perceive another benefit of owning a BPO for someone who intends on sticking with EVE over the long term - The convenience factor of bypassing the invention process altogether, as well as the intangible "feeling of security" benefits of having a consistent, reliable passive income stream. So while it is too expensive for some others, it could also be fair or even considered cheap for some parties - I personally gravitate towards the latter point of view, while acknowledging that on an absolute financial POV the former makes more sense.
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) other - Everything doesn't always have to be about ragequitting, now - I'd continue playing EVE if BPOs were removed, but I feel it would be a significant overall minus to the depth of the game to remove legacy items that are a part of EVE's history - Provided said items provide benefits that do not completely unbalance the game by being too overpowered for the holders to even consider trading them on the market at all. That does not appear to be the case currently. In case of their removal I'd not unsubscribe, but I'll instead leave for another similar game where the devs don't knuckle under to the whiny segment of the gaming population, first chance I get.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - Market value - Plus 20-50% extra to take at least acknowledge to the BPO holders who are holding them for other intangible benefits beyond financial value, as elaborated above. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1636
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Posted - 2012.05.29 04:55:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:how many people post in here as it is?
how many of those you reckon can be ****** answering all that ?
We're here because someone's yelling about a poll in another thread and we're calling them on it.
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Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
332
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Posted - 2012.05.29 05:51:00 -
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T2 BPO's are a bad idea, they have always been a bad idea, they probably always will be a bad idea.
I wouldn't mind as much if the lottery was still in progress.
But it was removed - as it was a bad idea..
I wouldn't mind as much if invention weren't such a chore.
But it is.
I wouldn't mind if CCP didn't consider the free isk making machines in the game were a bad idea, with this one exception.
But they do.
Fact is, CCP have buttoned down on every free isk making machine in the game but this one and moons which are soon to come.
Fact is, it's hard to justify to people who bought isk with plex (or however) to buy these BPO's a straight removal from the game thus losing their money. I wouldn't mind if they got their cash back at fair equitable market prices.
The game mechanic is bad, it's making players who haven't plexed to success lose money, and it creates an uneven playing field - the precise thing CCP says it's against - justifying the nerfing of so many old mechanics.
This one will be a lot of work, they need to research the BPO's and find all the market values, they then need to write a program to replace the BPO's with those set amounts of isk. Then everyone who wants t2 must invent, it's an even playing field. It's simple, there are not exceptions, no market shenanigans.
I don't see what's so hard to understand that in a world where these datacores are being nerfed again to only be available to LP stores instead of researchers - that these t2 BPO's that basically create datacores for free whenever they make a t2 item - aren't being taken out of the game.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1108
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Posted - 2012.05.29 05:55:00 -
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PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS THE ISSUE OF T2 BPOs IN THIS THREAD.
If you wish to discuss the issue, feel free to discuss it in the Science&Industry thread located here :
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93154
This is a poll-only thread. Please keep it to poll answers only.
Thank you.
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T2 BPO poll : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 |
Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.05.29 09:03:00 -
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ? 1d
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ? 2d
It's depending how big the market for an item is. A Hobgoblin II for example isn't influenced by a T2 BPO
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ? 3d
Most T2 owners don't try to push the prices down.
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ? 4c
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ? 5c
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ? 6a
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ? 7c
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ? 8c
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ? 9b
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ? 10d
I don't care
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ? 11c
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
The amount of T2BPOs is so low, but the amount of ISK so high, it wouldn't have a consequence. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
1710
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:20:00 -
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b (modified)) some T2 items would become somewhat more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6d) other - please specify
They're very expensive and have a long-term ROI, but they are by definition at the right price because the price is player-driven. They cost more than I would pay for one, but they are the right price for the people buying them.
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify
It really doesn't matter at this point.
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
Still doesn't really matter.
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
T2 BPOs being removed or left in the game won't affect my subscription at all
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
The status quo would stay the same for the next 5 years. And the status quo is fine as is, other than people whining so much. |
Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures
Surely You're Joking
197
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Posted - 2012.05.30 19:36:00 -
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1-c
2-c
3-b
4-c
5-c
6-c reasonably priced in that specialist ships should never be so cheap as to become over-abundant, which the exclusiveity and low number of inventors assures.
7-c
8-c
9-b eventually they will be removed through game mechanics, because at soem point someone will unsibscribe, get banned, or accidentally undock with one in cargo, then POOF one less BPO.
10-d i would be annoyed if they were removed in entirety and they were not compensated, but i would not quit EvE unless SoE bought the agme.
11-d their really is no way to truly compensate them, because nothing lasts as long as a BPO, preferably a combination of ba nd c should be considered if they AHD to be removed.
12- many people who believed T2 BPO's were overpowered in the first place would still gripe sicne any compensation for the BPO's would at the same time allow the owner of said compensation to have a short-term domination of the T2 market.
sorry for not copy/pasting, but that much text makes my tiny screen on my portable cry, as it attempts to resize the text to fit the whole page instead of scrolling right/left. |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
32
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Posted - 2012.05.31 16:37:00 -
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1a) no experience with invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
Note: slight increase
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive
Note: Anything longer than three year profits is unrealistic for people not supporting large alliances. The only reason they change hands so easily is because of their intrinsic value+high demand (i.e. you can always sell it for at least what you bought it at).
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7a) they got it too easily
We're talking about people who received it in the lottery right? Otherwise my answer is invalid. The process was unfair and hilariously easy given their present value. Tough ****, life is unfair, and it's just internet spaceships.
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
See above, I'm still not sure what we're talking about.
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
Note: If I saw statistics from CCP showing that T2 BPOs have a significant adverse effect on the economy, I could change my mind.
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - please specify
I like the ideas posted in the thread in the OP, with the possible addition of a BPC with enough runs for one year. T2 BPOs have been a hotly contested issue for some time, and anyone who purchased one should have considered their possible removal from the game. They should NOT be compensated with ISK based on market value.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
Not much. |
Cody Zamorah
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.06.01 00:27:00 -
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6d) other - please specify
It depends why you aquire a T2 BPO. Is it an investment to seel later again or are you going to use it for production.
In the first case you never can rely on the BPO keeping it's value. Who knows what CCP will come up with all of a sudden that decreases the BPO's value, or increases.
In the second case it's a very long term investment before you start seeing profit from it.
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify
Some got it easy, some got it hard, can't say either way as the only answer.
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
Some got it easy, some got it hard, can't say either way as the only answer.
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10c) I would quit the game if T2 BPOs WERE removed
Specificly because it would be a big intervention in the game by CCP.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - please specify
Too many answers, seeing that one can't compare BPO's with eachother like that.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
It would be like setting fire to a big barrel of fuel inside a serverroom.
People who complain about T2 BPO's most likely never had any dealing with aquiring or trying to break even to get the cost out.
Next to that no idea how little it brings in compared to invention. |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
168
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:46:00 -
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3d) other - please specify
Depends on the item volume. Demand for some items may be more than met by BPOs, for others BPOs are irrelevant.
A negative effect of BPO removel would be trust in the long term value of major investments.
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
There may be a spike in inventors, but over time nothing would change. Those that can't find profit as things are today, won't make a profit with BPOs removed.
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5d) other - please specify
For items where BPOs meet market demand, invention would be more profitable if they were gone.
For the rest of the T2 market, little if anything would change.
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
I'm against their removal, but I wouldn't leave over it.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - please specify
IF they're to be removed, I'd like to see isk confiscated by CCP Screegs & Co. fed to an Eve Central Bank that would buy them at auction.
While CCP would need to be open about the process if they chose to do this, they should not use CCP flagged characters for the actual bidding, and they should take care not to over bid on any one BPO.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
As the isk was already in game when it was confiscated, the larger impact would be minimised.
The larger game may be better served by removing the isk entirely, but that would remain CCP's call to make. |
Shoogie
Serious Pixels
45
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Posted - 2012.06.02 01:30:00 -
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention
Invention has been my main source of income for nearly 2 years now.
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
BPOs do make my life a little easier in that there are whole groups of items I don't bother to run numbers on.
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed
3c) nothing would change significantly
Some items, which are not currently built from invention, would increase in price significantly as the new inventors would pass their costs to the customers. The new inefficiency would slightly increase demand in moon goo, which would increase prices across the board slightly. But this may be cancelled by the answer to question 5.
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed
I don't know about the word "much," but there would definately be more inventors. T2 BPOs are a mental barrier to entry into invention for many people. They like to start whine threads in the S&I forum. If T2 BPOs were gone, they may start inventing.
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5b) each inventor would earn far less ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed
Again, I don't know about the adverb "far", but if there are more inventors in the market with approximately the same demand, there will be more competition. More competition means less profits.
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced
"Everything is worth what the buyer is willing to pay." If they were cheaper, I might buy one just to reduce my logistics. At the current prices, I won't--but obviously other people do.
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
The current owners got them in so many ways, this question is realy irrelevant. If they got it from the lottery-there were many people in the lottery. Some got lucky, some didn't. If they got it from looting from a ship they blew up-that is just like the lottery. If they were a corp thief-good for them. If they paid isk-they must have paid a price agreed upon by both the buyer and seller.
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
Same as #7.
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
T2 BPOs represent a collector's item. People are paying huge sums of isk for them. People strive to get them as a goal in game. These people would be extremely upset if their investment or goal was taken away. I have yet to see a good argument why removal would significantly benefit anybody. Why remove an aspect of the game and make players upset for no good reason?
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
I will continue to subscribe, until I decide to quit. T2 BPOs will not factor in the decision.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - please specify
See question 12.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
No compensation at all is not an option. People paid massive ammounts of isk for these. I answered #10 that I won't quit over them. However, to suddenly remove them would be stealing from many of the oldest, wealthiest, most influential players in the game. Many of theose people probably would.
Giving market value is not an option. How is that value determined? Also, there are how many T2 BPOs in game? 10,000? Each worth 10 or 11 digits to the left of the decimal point? Suddenly infusing that much isk into the game would cause massive inflation.
Changing them all to large run BPCs would have the least impact on the economy. So it is the only possible answer. Still, that means taking away from the depth of the game for no good reason. So why do it? |
T2BPO Producer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:45:00 -
[16] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1a) no experience with invention (I've heared people making good profit with invention, I do have a lot of experience with building from t2 bpos)
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed.
To maintain the same supply, more inventors and copiers are needed. As supply gets lower, prices will increase meaning more people will be drawn to invention.
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive
With 7 years to earn the price back, it's quite steep I prefer the good old 3-4 years :)
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10b) I might eventually quit the game if T2 BPOs were not removed
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) I don't know, all options have downsides as and either (some) people will loose isk or CCP EyjoG dies :(
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
11a Sudden production drop, increased t2 prices short term, not very fair to current t2 bpo owners. Really not an option.
Regarding 11c, it would kill CCP EyjoG (and we don't want that do we :) ). He already nearly had a heart attack when CCP sugested putting 16T isk into eve with learning skills reimbursement. I think that option 11c would result in an even bigger isk injection. It would make sure noone gets shafted on the other hand.
11b) People that recently bought a bpo are shafted because 5 years might not be enough to recover the market price(7+ years atm?) . They would also be working 5 years for nothing. They need to work 5 years, to get the same NAV from when they purchased the bpo.
It would be most stable for the eve economy as it it would introduce a grace period and no sudden isk inflation.
Worth the trouble for the gain? No. |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
1985
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Posted - 2012.06.03 00:31:00 -
[17] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed
(note that I would not say *much* more, but significantly more)
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8a) they got it too easily
(note that I think you need to differentiate lottery winner T2 BPO owners from T2 BPO buyers. I am assuming the average T2 BPO owner is a lottery winner)
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
Not worth quitting over, but it would be a bad move.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
The BPC solution seems like it would have the best consequences on the market of the options, which is why I picked it. I think it would extend the status quo for some time, but once the BPC ran out, you wouldn't really have a better market. I think T2 BPOs are really good end game content for industry focused guys.
FYI, I bought my 2 T2 BPOs off the market with profits I made from invention.
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
534
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Posted - 2012.06.03 16:49:00 -
[18] - Quote
Q-SOLO : Your opinion about T2 BPOs ?
QSb) leave them alone
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1a) no experience with invention
For the record I do not own, have never owned, nor plan to ever own a T2 BPO either.
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
I am not a market expert or an industrialist, but I know that BPO production is nowhere near enough to fill all the demand. Therefore the price is dictated by inventors - and it would be after the removal too.
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
Inventor profits don't depend on whether someone somewhere has a BPO. They depend on whether they can sell a finished item for more than they spend to make it, and by how much more. None of that would change by BPO removal.
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6d) other - please specify
I don't understand the question. Just as any player traded item on the market, they are as cheap as somebody is willing to sell them for, and as expensive as somebody is willing to pay for them. I could have an opinion about NPC prices set by CCP. How can I have an opinion either way about the true price of an item set by a free market?
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify
They spent the current market price (see above) of the BPO. Exactly the same effort I made to buy myself a Rifter.
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
Again I don't understand the question. Own "a random one"? WTB a random T2 BPO, I don't care which one, I just want to hang it on the wall and adore it? Perhaps something that would appeal to a collector. The effort required is the same though, pay the current market price for the currently lowest valued BPO.
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
I would be *very* enraged at CCP for arbitrarily removing a piece of player property. How would you feel if CCP decided to remove your Caldari Raven just because someone who flies a standard Raven can't run missions as fast as you, and isn't willing to spend their money to buy a CNR? However I have a corporation and an alliance to run, and they are too dear to me to quit over an idiotic decision by CCP.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - please specify
If they had to be removed for some reason, I think the only fair compensation would be refunding the price they paid for the BPO. I do not know how people who won the BPO in the lottery and still kept it to date should be compensated (if there are any such people left).
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
Loads of ISK being magicked into existence. Again I'm not a market expert, but I heard that would be kind of bad. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
744
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Posted - 2012.06.03 22:12:00 -
[19] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1a) no experience with invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6d) other - please specify
I don't really care one way or another what anybody is willing to pay for a T2 BPO.
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify
How they obtained them is irrelevant.
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
How they obtained them is irrelevant.
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
Their continued existence would not be a deciding factor in my subscription but their removal would be better for the game overall, despite the inevitable gnashing of the teeth from the owners.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - please specify
Existing BPCs not created through invention are nuked, BPOs are replaced with BPCs with an arbitrary number of runs. Any ME/PE is reset to 0 as to help level the playing field for inventors.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
I do not see any downsides to this.
eh |
Layckhaie Kaele
Serra Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.06.03 23:38:00 -
[20] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed
4c) nothing would change significantly
4d) there would be slightly more inventors, but more competition would balance out the absence of T2 BPOs, so nothing would really change
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced
6d) it depends you look at it, but for the most part the are overpriced
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years but given out in intervals
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
In short term T2 items might drop in price slightly (inventors would make even less profits). Over time prices would stabilize back but still inventors wouldn't make any more ISK than they do currently. Removing T2 BPOs would also give most owners even more profits (short term) as they would no longer be limited by one production slot (and 5 year BPC supply is a lot).
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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
Against ALL Authorities
313
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Posted - 2012.06.04 08:36:00 -
[21] - Quote
Q-SOLO : Your opinion about T2 BPOs ?
QSa) remove them
....well, remove the whole invention mechanic, chance-based inventing stuff that everyone is flying around in is just ******** (lol I can't say ******** ? Well, fill in the dots yourself  )
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Frying Doom
Tinfoil Hat News Ltd.
281
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Posted - 2012.06.04 11:57:00 -
[22] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2a) one with a T2 BPO is better to invent for profit
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11a) no compensation whatsoever
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
I don't believe they should be compensated. Those that have had them for a long time have well and truly been compensated. Those who recently acquired them should know of the risk they might vanish at any time risk vs reward.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Selissa Shadoe
90
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Posted - 2012.06.05 18:13:00 -
[23] - Quote
Remove T2 BPOS and make T2 BPC quality dependent on the original T1 BPO. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.06.05 19:00:00 -
[24] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8a) they got it too easily (those who got them from the lottery)
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward (current situation)
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10b) I might eventually quit the game if T2 BPOs were not removed
eventually would keep 1 account for pvp
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11c) current market ISK value for their BPO
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
the economy wouldnt lose/win much at all, since there would still be a overproduction and on a long.
The game would lose a good portion of reliability/stabiltiy.
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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
99
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Posted - 2012.06.05 21:44:00 -
[25] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9c) I have not decided yet
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) / other - I do care, but this one single issue wouldn't effect my subscription in any way. As long as all the pros this game has outnumber the contras, I stay subbed. See my answer to 9. for my stance on this issue.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - Replace with one (or more) BPC('s) with max runs, max ME and max PE.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
There will probably be a temporary shortage on certain T II items that are frequently produced using T II BPO's. As prices for those items rise, inventors will start filling the gap.
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Rasmido
Liga Freier Terraner
Ev0ke
0
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Posted - 2012.06.07 18:34:00 -
[26] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - Cant judge without knowing what "efforts" were made... case by case
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - Cant judge without knowing what "efforts" were made... case by case
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - Replace with one (or more) BPC('s) with max runs, max ME and max PE.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
Cant see big consequences on the long run.
But that would kill my chance to loot one from a wreck some day ... somewhere |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1154
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Posted - 2012.06.21 21:26:00 -
[27] - Quote
Gone two weeks, thread out of front areas, go back up !
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T
http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T
T2 BPO poll : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 |
Leemi Sobo
65
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:44:00 -
[28] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2d) other - specify
-> since i only invent stuff which have a BPO i can't give a qualified answer here.
but i think it really doesn't matter if an item has a BPO or not
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced
(everything is worth what a customer is willing to pay)
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
(i think most of the still existing BPOs were bought from the original lottery-winners years ago - see 6.)
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
-> If they would be removed, I would whine to CCP to get reimbursed first, then i would continue producing stuff with overall less profit because my invention-capacity is limited
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
since the stuff from those copies could be produced in a short time (compared to one BPO), i guess prices for those items could drop for a short time.
But because the numbers of produced items per BPO are small (compared to the production from invented bpcs), nothing would change in the long run.
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0Lona 0ltor
Red Sky Morning
BricK sQuAD.
28
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Posted - 2012.06.22 17:02:00 -
[29] - Quote
Q-SOLO : Your opinion about T2 BPOs ?
QSa) remove them or Buff invention ME above T2BPO
1)D keep making ISK from invention
2)C what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3c) nothing would change significantly, slight T2 price rise until inventors stabilised market
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed, yet again market would settle.
5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed,
6a) Price is fairly set by supply and demand.
7d) no opinion / other - Original owners were given billion ISK assets at very little effort, one of the main flaws with T2BPO's
8d) no opinion / other -Not sure what question is asking.
9a) I am for the removal or a buff to invention ME above that of BPO taking into account invention probability success.
10b) I might eventually quit the game if T2 BPOs were not removed
11d) By buffing Invention ME over T2BPO no compensation would be needed as owners would still have T2BPO's in assets which if balance was done fairly could still prove useful and retain value. In the event of T2BPO removal CCP should simply dump ISK to buy back all T2BPO's. They dumped the T2BPO into the wild so dumping ISK to get them back will do no more damage than was already done.
12) T2BPO do not belong in EVE. They sucked from the start particularly how they were seeded. I would agree that T2BPO could exist fairly if invention ME was higher than that of the T2BPO. Meaning that manufacture from a T2BPO was more expensive yet convenient compared to invention. |
Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.06.22 23:57:00 -
[30] - Quote
Remove T2 BPO's - they'll always cause at least the perception that T2 BPO Owners have unfair advantage.
Give anyone who bought them recently a pro-rated buyout.
If you can de-buff Titans, you can de-buff T2 BPO's. |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.06.23 02:51:00 -
[31] - Quote
What I think research in eve should be like
Click the link, it talks about how I think getting T2 BPOs in eve should be done.
The purpose of hi sec isn't to eliminate PvP but to weed out the dumb pvpers. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
612
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Posted - 2012.06.23 15:27:00 -
[32] - Quote
0Lona 0ltor wrote:3c) nothing would change significantly, slight T2 price rise until inventors stabilised market
5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed,
This made me quite curious. If you think TII item prices wouldn't change significantly, where would the "much more ISK" come from? Do you think inventors would be able to procure materials much cheaper if there were no BPOs? Or invent/build more items in the same time using the same number of slots? |
0Lona 0ltor
Red Sky Morning
BricK sQuAD.
29
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Posted - 2012.06.23 18:25:00 -
[33] - Quote
Abdiel Kavash wrote:0Lona 0ltor wrote:3c) nothing would change significantly, slight T2 price rise until inventors stabilised market
5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed, This made me quite curious. If you think TII item prices wouldn't change significantly, where would the "much more ISK" come from? Do you think inventors would be able to procure materials much cheaper if there were no BPOs? Or invent/build more items in the same time using the same number of slots?
Yeah it's kind hard to describe with 4 limited choices per question. I items where the bulk comes from invention no inventor would make any note worthy increased profit from the absence of T2bPO however items where the bulk or 100% comes from T2BPO as in many T2 Ship lines of course new profits would be open to inventors depending on how fiercely inventors undercut each other. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
96
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Posted - 2012.06.24 00:37:00 -
[34] - Quote
Q-SOLO : Your opinion about T2 BPOs ?
QSc) don't care
The way I understand it, the benefit the BPO's give is balanced by their value. And that money can't be spend to make profit using other means as long as you keep it locked in BPO format.
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RDevz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.06.25 00:59:00 -
[35] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2b) one without a T2 BPO is better to invent for profit
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3d) other - please specify
T2 items with excess BPO capacity to their demand (i.e. those items priced lower than the cost to invent and build) would get more expensive as the costs of invention are factored into their minimum profitable sale price
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
I'd expect to see a larger number of inventors come to the market, but no major change in per capita profits.
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6d) other - please specify
No opinion
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7a) they got it too easily
The invention lottery was a mistake made many years ago.
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
This question doesn't make sense.
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
T2 BPOs are not a factor in my subscription.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11a) no compensation whatsoever
I don't get compensated when FOTM ship #17 that I spent time and ISK training for gets nerfed into uselessness.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
A flood of tears in the forum from those who are no longer able to print ISK from their T2 BPOs.
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Mourn
Assisted Homicide
22
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Posted - 2012.07.02 19:59:00 -
[36] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3d) other - Some less popular lines that were maintained by T2 BPO producers would become more viable to invent on short term making prices rise temporarily, however supply/demand would balance this out over time.
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6d) T2 BPO's should be NON TRANSFERABLE and should be phazed out naturally as they are lost/ destroyed / player unsubcribes - This in my opinion is the only fair way of correcting the mistake CCP made by introducing them in the first place as many players have made a significant investment in this game to have them in the first place.
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c)
7d) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward- however it still doesn't discount from the fact that they shouldn't have been able to buy/have received this sort of in-game advantage in the first place. How much investment someone put into having something doesn't justify a bad and needless game mechanic.
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
8d) same as 7d
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9d) Make T2 BPO's NON TRANSFERABLE- current owners stuck with them and not be able to trade them. They will have full use of them and get value from them as long as they are playing EVE, however as these players eventually stop playing or stop using T2 BPO these BPO's will eventually drop out of use in the game instead of being recirculated into the BPO market.
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / not focused on that area of EVE atm but I feel that it would be better for eve economy as a whole if they were phazed out.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) compensation of what they payed to get them if they were bought, if original owners from lottery they should get a bpc that would have enough runs on it to last for next year or so.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
The amount of t2 BPO holders is so small i dont see any major impact of having a few more Multi-billionare Pilots floating around EVE |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
157
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Posted - 2012.07.03 18:23:00 -
[37] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2d) other - While supply/demand ratios for any given item can make it very profitable regardless of T2 BPOs, T2 BPOs will always cut into profit.
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive (there needs to be a way to put researched blueprints on the open market, including BPCs)
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - Our efforts to obtain something that compromises the nature of the sandbox are and always should be irrelevant.
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - See 7d.
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10b) I might eventually quit the game if T2 BPOs were not removed
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - Don't much care.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
I'll leave that to other people to figure out, but frankly I can't see much harm coming from anything that won't correct itself over time.
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True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
26
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Posted - 2012.07.07 11:27:00 -
[38] - Quote
...
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BIG POLL START
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify (I was in the lottery too, didn't win anything)
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years
11c) current market ISK value for their BPO
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
None.
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BIG POLL END
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Cyprus Black
Segmentum Solar
Intrepid Crossing
252
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Posted - 2012.07.09 01:23:00 -
[39] - Quote
This again? Asking the same stupid question over and over doesn't yield different results. The results from the last T2 BPO whine poll didn't return the results you were looking for? Doing it again? Hmm.
I don't own a T2 BPO
The existence of T2 BPO's has such little influence on my gameplay that it's only worth mentioning here in this thread. I hold more concern for my PI extractor timers than I hold for T2 BPOs.
I don't care about the small handful of T2 BPOs.
There. Same answers as last time this "poll" thread came out.
I look forward to seeing the next T2 BPO poll come out after this one yields results you didn't like.
You wouldn't complain about needles when you get a tattoo.
So why would you complain about PvP when you play EVE? |
Chanina
ASGARD HEAVY INDUSTRIES
Viking Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.07.11 11:26:00 -
[40] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2d) other - specify
something between b) and c), highly used items not to easy to mass produce with bpos (T2 mining crystals or command ships are dominated by T2 BPO owners)
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3d) other - please specify
price might go up through higher demand on materials. increasing Technetium bottleneck as long as it is present.
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive
(takes years of production to get in costs in some cases)
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify
depends on whether they got it recently (than b) ) or got it back in the days of lottery (than a) )
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
same as nr. 7
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
there are too many good things in this game to make subscription dependent on one thing.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - please specify
kind of b) but not 5 years. just a set of max run bpcs would be enough (IMO)
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
with those bpcs the change from bpo to invention only would be smoothed out invention has time to catch up speed for increased demand (or less supply). |
Dusenman
Krait Corp
Fidelas Constans
9
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Posted - 2012.07.11 14:18:00 -
[41] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1a) no experience with invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5d) other - please specify
- unsure
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6d) other - please specify
- who in there right mind sells a t2 BPO?
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify
- It is all about who has the isk.
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
- no opinion
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
none of the above
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years
11c) current market ISK value for their BPO
11d) other - please specify
B or C are good option.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
If CCP game isk. There would be a clear influx of isk. But I am not sure how it would effect the market. BPC should not do much of anything.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1169
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Posted - 2012.07.12 03:43:00 -
[42] - Quote
Cyprus Black wrote:This again? Asking the same stupid question over and over doesn't yield different results. The results from the last T2 BPO whine poll didn't return the results you were looking for? Doing it again? [...] Hmm. I look forward to seeing the next T2 BPO poll come out after this one yields results you didn't like.
You might want to take a peek into the discussion thread linked in the OP and see what MY personal stance actually is before assuming the exact opposite 
P.S. Only slightly related, it's funny how many people that actually answer that they would prefer T2 BPOs removed answer most of the rest of the questions in ways which would indicate they do not really believe their removal would make much of a difference for inventors or the economy.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1169
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Posted - 2012.07.12 04:06:00 -
[43] - Quote
Sufficient opinions were expressed so far to have MY personal opinions not tamper much with the running of the poll.
Added a few clarifications to each of the answers for those who wish to "understand" why I support those choices.
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing
Not a lot of ISK though, it's too boring and clickfesty for my taste, I prefer trading - however, KNOWING how invention works is crucial for trading.
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
It is true that for some items that have no T2 BPOs invention is almost never profitable, but sadly, the exact same thing happens with some items that have no T2 BPOs. The problem in that latter case is inventors who fail to do the proper math before starting invention.
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed
A few items which are unprofitable to invent would become much more expensive while dropping in manufactured volume, and all items would become a bit more expensive due to the waste inherent in invention which taxes whatever bottleneck moon minerals exist.
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
While there would be more inventors around, their numbers will not be SIGNIFICANTLY higher - the waste on bottleneck materials will lower the total amount of items that can be manufactured, leading to only slightly more inventors.
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
Initially, per-inventor character profit MIGHT go up, but the slight increase in inventor numbers will offset most of that, ending up with inventors making more or less the same profit they make today, if not lower thanks to more people attempting financially doomed inventions without bothering with the math and then trying to recover whatever ISK they can.
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced
By the very nature of the free market, they can NOT be unreasonably priced.
While I personally would NOT bother to buy one at the current prices (very low RoI), it makes sense for certain classes of people to buy some (in particular people with too much idle ISK), and for others to sell theirs (liquidity shortages and other business opportunities).
On average, the price is "just right" for both of those extreme circumstance parties and a trade is made.
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify
I consider this to be irrelevant.
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
I consider this to be irrelevant.
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
There is only a minimal benefit in removing them, and fair compensation would be problematic for the game as a whole ; they might not be great to have, but removing them would be worse ; I would much more support a heavy buff for invention, be it in reducing clicks, lowering waste or any other number of things, and also, adding alternative ways to obtain bottleneck moongoo.
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
While my confidence in CCP being able to do the "rational thing" would go down a notch, it would not be enough to overshadow the many other good things the game has to offer. Plus, I have a truckload of ISK from trade to afford PLEXing until after my likely time of death.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - please specify
The only halfway reasonable option would be to grant about a third of the current market price PLUS at least 5 years' worth of BPCs.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
The ISK coming in from compensations will wreak havoc with the EVE economy for quite a while until it settles.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
80
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Posted - 2012.07.14 07:42:00 -
[44] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6d) other - please specify: don't care
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify: don't care
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify: don't care
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
Probably depending on the BPO in question 'fire sales' or disgruntled (and probably quitting) BPO holders.. also a lot more people feeling they've got a chance now to 'close in' on the others in the field, so more people taking a stab at it.
PS: I think the problem with them isn't really the economic side of things.. it's more a problem of perceived fairness to be able to get one.
You want a tech moon? Fine, grab some friends and go for it!
You want a sansha capital? Fine, grab some friends and go for it!
You want xyz? Fine, grab some friends and go for it!
You want a T2 BPO? Sorry dude, try to buy one from anyone willing to part with his.. if no one wants to sell, you're out of luck, no matter what you do.
That's un-sandboxy. |
Laechyd Eldgorn
Molden Heath Angels
41
|
Posted - 2012.07.17 12:53:00 -
[45] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2b) one without a T2 BPO is better to invent for profit
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3d) other - please specify : rare item prices would change up and down probably depending on short term profit margin, popular item prices wouldn't change much in long term
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5d) other - please specify: i do not believe profit for popular items would change much because of fair competition, but rare items would probably have opportunities for greater profit
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6d) other - please specify: irrelevant/doesn't matter, this is case where we have artificially created situtation where someone already has something which affects others and others cannot have it.
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify: irrelevant, those who have bought bpo have of course made effort but again nothing to do with our nice artificially created situtation.
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify: I am not likely to do much invention as it is now.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11c) current market ISK value for their BPO
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
Amount of ISK given out for compensating losses of T2 BPO's would be somewhat irrelevant for economy.
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Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
200
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Posted - 2012.07.21 06:57:00 -
[46] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2d) other - specify: The per item margin is higher with the BPO, however, invention can easily be scaled, thus you can compensate via volume.
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3d) other - please specify: It depends on the item. In some low volume markets prices are dictated by the T2 BPO producers, thus removing them would increase the price to at least invention break even level. For the other items, it doesn't matter.
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5d) other - please specify: A few more items become profitable to invent. See answer 3.
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced. The equivalent of 5+ years of profit is ludicrous, but that seems the be the value people are willing to pay...
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward. Note: Given the 5+ years to break even doing manufacturing it is a bad investment IMO. That leaves collectors and speculators.
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward. See answer 7.
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9d) do not care / other - please specify. It would have been better if the BPOs were never introduced, no doubts about that. But their impact nowadays is rather small, so letting them be is the lesser evil as opposed to shafting the owners.
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify - I'm an inventor, not T2 BPO owner.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
Handing out ISK to owners is unpossible.
If you want to protect the owners, buffing invention is out of the question as well as then they'll never be able to brake even with manufacturing and the BPO market price would plummet.
The 5 year BPC option is the best compromise. No ISK injected into the economy, the markets for the items should stay mostly unaffected and the owners are shafted much more gently. Of course, the positive effect only sets in 5 years later... |
Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries
Dark Stripes
333
|
Posted - 2012.07.22 10:48:00 -
[47] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive ( some are just not worth the prices paid, ROI is 4-8 years in some cases, and i can think of better uses of my isk than that)
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward( these are the titans of the industrial world)
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10c) I would quit the game if T2 BPOs WERE removed ( i own some t2 bpo's and have worked my nuts off fto buy them, if they were removed id be pisssed. id rage a little, have a month off and then see if i had intrest in eve after my nerd rage ended)
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) there is no way to compensate for there removal.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
nothing would change significantly
OMG when can i get a pic here
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Karim alRashid
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
186
|
Posted - 2012.07.23 15:42:00 -
[48] - Quote
Uh-oh, how I missed to put forth my valuable and frequently sought for opinion ...
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7b) it was too hard for them to get it
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8b) it was too hard for them to get it
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9d) other - please specify
Remove BPOs of (or otherwise balance) items, for which majority of the production comes from BPOs as opposed to coming from invention.
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
I don't care that much - some balance is nice to get, but the lack of it not affecting my subscription by itself.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11c) current market ISK value for their BPO
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
There will be no consequence to the EVE economy, provided (as I expect) that combined market value of all BPOs is insignificant, compared to, say, the monhtly influx of ISK.
|
Sigras
Conglomo
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
119
|
Posted - 2012.07.23 15:53:00 -
[49] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing - trading makes more ISK
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence - T2 BPOs never set the price of anything since invention was put into the game.
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly - again, T2 BPOs dont set the price, they just take advantage of it.
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed - this is mainly because of people's flawed idea that the T2 BPOs reduce profit for inventors, you'd see a lot of people try it
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5b) each inventor would earn far less ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed - again, a lot of new inventors would crop up because of peoples flawed ideas about T2 BPOs
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive - if you buy a T2 BPO you will NEVER make your ROI especially if you count opportunity cost. The market is being held so high by the moronic idea that theyre crazy profitable.
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - please specify - It depends on how they got the BPO, the T20 debacle was totally unfair, but the people who got them by research agents lost billions in RP because they could have gotten datacores when the lottery was over; that was completely fair.
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward - especially when you count opportunity cost
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal - There is no good way to remove them, and no reason to do so either. I think it adds some interesting lore to the game and shows its age.
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify - They do not effect the price of anything
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - please specify - I feel like they should get all the RP that the BPO was worth when it was given out, IE how many RP the character had when they got the BPO. that being said, i still dont think thats fair, just the best of a bad situation.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
Well it would totally crash the datacore market for a while, but its way better than granting BPCs that could be run concurrently, or inflating the ISK even more than it already is by dumping hundreds of billions on the market. |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
56
|
Posted - 2012.07.26 15:46:00 -
[50] - Quote
Q-SOLO : Your opinion about T2 BPOs ?
QSb) leave them alone
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3d) other - please specify
Mostly nothing much would happen price wise, some low volume goods would get a bit or somewhat more expensive
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4d) other - please specify
There would most likely be an initial spike in inventor numbers but it would even within a very few months to previous levels
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6d) other - please specify
No opinion really, irrelevant for me
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
There would be no effect
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11c) current market ISK value for their BPO
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
Short term effects would very much be noticeable, 10000+ BPO's, each compensated for billions would inject a lot of liquid ISK to EVE economy. Market speculation, hire mercs to do some dirty work, hell buy an alliance. Long term effects? EvE will be EvE.
Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Sarah Baal
I'm So Cool
0
|
Posted - 2012.08.16 21:37:00 -
[51] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4b) there would be far less inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7a) they got it too easily
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8a) they got it too easily
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11b) a BPC with enough runs to last 5 years
or
11c) current market ISK value for their BPO
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
Higher prices on some items controlled by t2 bpos owners, what would mess with all the rest of eve comunitie who would need to pay more for determinated items. Why's that? people like to cry about those kind of stuff! |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
10065
|
Posted - 2012.08.18 14:34:00 -
[52] - Quote
Q-SOLO : Your opinion about T2 BPOs ?
QSb) leave them alone
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
194
|
Posted - 2012.08.20 02:16:00 -
[53] - Quote
my single answer to all the questions.
This is a setup, but honestly I don't really care, the small stuff will go up but thats bout all that's gonna happen if any changes or nerfs happen, on that note im against nerfing anything, if change happens, then make the less fun things, Fun and enjoyable, dont nerf the already fun things.
P.S.
I don't want them removed, I want T1 to disappear from NPC sales and both forms T1 and T2 to be researchable via the old research agents, I.E. gotta work yer bat off for any BPO's as people just underestimate the privileges they have with such a powerful ingame type of item. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
325
|
Posted - 2012.08.20 19:36:00 -
[54] - Quote
...
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BIG POLL START
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1a) no experience with invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive
(i.e. they are imho overvalued given the possibility of a nerf)
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7a) they got it too easily
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8a) they got it too easily
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11a) no compensation whatsoever
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
does not apply
...
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BIG POLL END
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I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Obsidiana
White-Noise
147
|
Posted - 2012.08.21 00:52:00 -
[55] - Quote
b) leave them alone
I think the drop rate for invenstion related materials should be increased and improved. I think the time has come for invention to overshadow T2 BPOs. The current invention system was designed to preserve T2 BPO viability; this is no longer needed or wanted. Invention BPC count and ME levels should reach and potentially eclipse T2 BPOs.
If this is done, then T2 BPOs almost may as well not exist. |
Allus Nova
No Bullshit
Jokers Wild.
1
|
Posted - 2012.08.24 19:20:00 -
[56] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1a) no experience with invention
The reason I have avoided invention so far is due to the innate unfair advantage that exists for those who currently have T2 BPO's, it creates a situation where it is impossible to sell T2 items and make a profit, it's faster to run L1 missions for cash...and that's not saying much.
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2b) one without a T2 BPO is better to invent for profit
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced
They are one of the few limited resources in Eve, their prices should reflect that.
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7a) they got it too easily
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8a) they got it too easily
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10a) I almost quit the game because T2 BPOs were NOT removed, and will do so soon
As someone with multiple accounts, but only a single one active, this IS the reason my other accounts are dormant, I can't make any money crafting T2 gear, so I have no need of several accounts.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - please specify
I think that those with T2 BPO's should be given 1000 run BPC's with perfect PE/ME for modules and equipment, and 100 run BPC's with perfect PE/ME for ships
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
I think that prices would rise for T2 goods, to reflect the new production costs. However, I don't see having a money sink as a bad thing. People who have 5-10 money holding toons because they have maxed out wallets aren't helping liquidity within the eve economy, they have become essentially moguls who are driving up the costs of all rare goods. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
472
|
Posted - 2012.08.31 16:46:00 -
[57] - Quote
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ALTERNATIVE SHORT POLL START
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Q-SOLO : Your opinion about T2 BPOs ?
QSb) leave them alone
...
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ALTERNATIVE SHORT POLL END
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BIG POLL START
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1d) keep making ISK from invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3d) other - please specify
--- I think that in general, T2 module prices would remain the same, T2 ammo prices would remain the same, and unpopular t2 ship prices would skyrocket... Invention, when coupled with the market, insures that t2 BPO owners set reasonable prices for their goods.... With goods that are ubiquitously used, the t2 BPO holder has little influence on the market as a whole (think 150mm autocannons), but with rare items (mostly ships like the Eagle, etc) t2 BPO holders can produce the majority of items. Since these are slow moving items, T2 BPO producers have to price their stuff competitively to actually move their goods and make money, so they typically sell at low enough prices that invention processes cannot compete... The consumer (i.e. most EvE players) win here, as they are getting the item even cheaper.... The other inventors who tried to compete with the T2 BPO holder don't matter, because they're morons that didn't adequately research their product and idiotically tried to compete in the low-volume market... This is akin to Ford complaining that Chrystler produces an identical vehicle more cheaply, and demands the government step in and fine chrystler's production process so Ford can compete... It takes a special kind of stupid to think this is good for the consumer!!!!!
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - please specify
-- What does this question even mean?? to own a random one?? You mean how do I feel about the T2 BPO owners that acquired their BPO via the lotter, as opposed to purchasing their BPO as an investment?? I hope that's what you mena by questions 7 & 8, but you need to elaborate a bit there.... BPO owners that purchased their BPO's as an investment deserve all the rewards they can milk out of that investment.... BPO owners that won their BPO in a lottery... lucky for them... it doesn't hurt me, and it doesn't hurt you... so let them be...
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9b) I am ADAMANTLY against their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
--- I don't own any T2 BPO's, but I would be PISSED at CCP for it, unless they more-than-reasonable compensated the T2 BPO holders.... and then I'd be pissed because they took the risk out of OWNING a t2 BPO, as their worth varies dramatically with the game environment. Essentially, I see no good reason to remove them, and so I'd just be pissed off at CCP unless they can come up with a very convincing reason to do as such!!!!
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11b) a RESEARCHED BPC with enough runs to last 5 years (but if you give them this, why bother removing the BPO in the first place!!!!)
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
--- The removal of t2 BPO's would primarily result in more expensive t2 ships for most EvE players. Modules and Ammo would remain mostly unchanged. The idiotic inventors that try to compete in difficult, low movement markets would only be happy for a day. They would soon realized that its groups of players that acquire materials at below market prices that are really kicking their ass these markets, and forge another campaign to have CCP make competition fair for them... This almost sounds like the plot of an Ayn Rand book....
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Conniver Canwin
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.09.06 11:59:00 -
[58] - Quote
[quote=Akita T]
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1a) no experience with invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5d) Other - Quite like that inventors would make a little more ask, I wouldn't say much more
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are expensive, they should be
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7d) no opinion / other - This would vary from person to person
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8d) no opinion / other - This would vary form person to person
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9c) I have not decided yet
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - t2 bpos have no impact on my sub decisions. If I bought one, and it was removed, I probably would cancel my sub, however, I won't be buying one.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - I would say a combination of inventors quality bpc's (negative me/pe) and appropriate ISK compensation as well, since they made a huge long-term investment I think they should get both the opportunity to make money on that investment as well as have it refunded.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
It may cause some inflation due to large amounts of ISk being created instantly. Other than that, not a big impact. |
Itar Sheep
The Black Sheep Inc
4
|
Posted - 2012.09.07 12:33:00 -
[59] - Quote
1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1a) no experience with invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2b) one without a T2 BPO is better to invent for profit
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a) there would be much more inventors if T2 BPOs would be removed
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7a) they got it too easily
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8a) they got it too easily
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - please specify
A max run BPC
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
None |
Reticle
Sight Picture
9
|
Posted - 2012.09.19 19:37:00 -
[60] - Quote
sorry, didn't feel like doing the whole poll.
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - please specify: for owners who bought them, the price they paid (as proven by the contract used to exchange them) minus 10-15% per year they owned it since that contract. People who got them from the initial lottery get nothing. Players who cannot prove they paid get nothing.
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Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
291
|
Posted - 2012.09.20 04:43:00 -
[61] - Quote
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BIG POLL START
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1a)
1b) lost ISK and quit inventing
1c)
1d)
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2a)
2b)
2c)
2d) Invention is a market controlled by the older players and those with substantial corp backing
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3a)
3b) T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed
3c)
3d)
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4a)
4b)
4c)
4d)the number of people using Invention would increase significantly, but it wouldn't outpace the original market
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5a)
5b)
5c)
5d) Inventors who once relied on T2 BPOs would lose profits as they moved to Invention; those who relied on invention would see a slight increase in profits
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a)
6b)
6c)
6d) None of the above
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7a)
7b)
7c)
7d) It depends on whether they bought it or got it from NPC lottery. Former is as earning is; the latter is/was free
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8a)
8b)
8c)
8d) I don't think collection of relatively unmarketable BPOs has any marked effect on anything; they are primarily collectable, and have no real value. Some Invention is without need of T2 BPOs to make it reasonable and semi-profitable, (i.e: Tech 2 Small Shield Extender), The cost is negligible and the value limited.
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a)
9b)
9c)
9d) I do not believe they should be removed, but neither do I believe they should be the solely accessible to rich, older players.
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10a)
10b)
10c)
10d) It does not effect me, except in passing. Only so much as it impacts pricing, or as a might have been once, if I'd started the game sooner. No longer a concern.
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11a)
11b)
11c)
11d) Limited Compensation. Petition for reimbursement if purchased, with time since purchase applied as a penalty to that reimbursement. A 100 run T2 BPC with 0% waste and minimum Production time if they won it.
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
This question should be answered in your own words.
Limited to none. Angry people maybe, and angry people can cause problems, but actual market impact aside from their actions would be limited once the initial impact of the loss of T2 BPOs hit the market. That would have the greatest effect I think.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2012.09.20 17:28:00 -
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1a) no experience with invention
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) other - what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3d) other - SOME T2 items would become more expensive if T2 BPOs would be removed
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5a) each inventor would earn much more ISK if T2 BPOs would be removed
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6c) T2 BPOs are reasonably priced
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7c) the difficulty was proportionate to the reward
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8a) they got it too easily
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9a) I am for their removal
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - Why would i rage quit beacause this. :)
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - Don't know really
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
Some or all T2 stuff prices would go up for sure. |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
335
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Posted - 2012.09.20 20:53:00 -
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1. What is your personal experience with invention ?
1c) made ISK and quit inventing (annoying as **** process)
2. What is (in your opinion) better to invent for profit - an item with a T2 BPO or an item without T2 BPO ?
2c) what is better to invent for profit depends on item, regardless of T2 BPO existence
3. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for T2 item prices ?
3c) nothing would change significantly
4. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for inventor numbers ?
4c) nothing would change significantly
5. What would (in your opinion) be the consequence of removing all T2 BPOs from the game for long term inventor profits ?
5c) nothing would change significantly
6. What is your opinion about current T2 BPO market prices ?
6a) T2 BPOs are too expensive
7. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a VALUABLE T2 BPO ?
7b) it was too hard for them to get it
8. What is your opinion about efforts made by current T2 BPO owners to own a random one, on average ?
8b) it was too hard for them to get it
9. Do you support removing T2 BPOs from the game ?
9d) other - T2 BPOs have very little effect, so much stuff is invented day to day that the T2 BPOs make up a very small portion of total production
10. How would the removal or continued existence of T2 BPOs affect your subscription ?
10d) do not care / other - please specify
11. How should T2 BPO owners be compensated for the removal of T2 BPOs, if they were removed ?
11d) other - Leave them alone
12. What would be the consequence to the EVE economy for granting that compensation ?
Very little effect
Final note: nothing is wrong with T2 BPOs, they are a very rare, very expensive way to shortcut a very annoying, and yet ultimately not terribly difficult process. I actually think that very very rarely, T2 BPOs should be found in exploration sites. This shouldn't harm the game significantly. |
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