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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:39:00 -
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Since about a month ago EVE started suffering from a new type of keylogger attack: isk farmer creates new thread in every forum section with ****ographic material and web link to a site that tries to install keyloggers. People who fall for it end up getting their accounts hacked, everything stolen.
CCP has been on the defensive mode - they try to quickly delete all such threads and ban the alt accounts responsible. But defensive tactics are clearly not enough. The rate of attacks has only increased.
We need some ideas on how to go on the offensive. We need to find ways to destroy those individuals. We need to hurt them financially.
I think the first step is for CCP to release all the information they have gathered about the nature of the attacks, the IPs, account details, every little shred of evidence.
If CCP stay on defensive, they will never get rid of this problem.
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Superwinsauce
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:41:00 -
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You should throw one of your faction bs at them pointlessly, maybe that will work.
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Blastrodamus
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:43:00 -
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prevent linking in the forums, unless it's an internal link to another page on the eve forums or site.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:43:00 -
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I forgot to mention: USA has federal law regarding computer hacking and viruses. Our case may be eligible for FBI investigation. EU may have similar laws in place. We need to find people who can provide legal advice, and we need help establishing real identity of the attacker. If CCP asks community help it would have a chance of happening.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:44:00 -
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We need to make people to not klick dodgy links on the internetz. Problem solved.
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Lork Niffle
Gallente
Noobtoob Army
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:45:00 -
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Btw IP blocking does not work. Proxies and dynamic IP addresses along with spoofing US and EU IP ranges will remove any form of IP blocks immediately.
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Kyguard
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:45:00 -
[7]
Are you ******ed? Yeah you're Ephemeron
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Blastrodamus
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:46:00 -
[8]
 Originally by: Ephemeron
If CCP asks community help it would have a chance of happening.
CCP is a business. if and when it's practical, i'm sure they will be capable of seeking their own legal counsel.
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Celardore
Gallente
Terminal Logic
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:46:00 -
[9]
I was wondering how possible or practical it would be to have something ajaxy that does a whois lookup on any domain linked, and if it returns a chinese IP, delete it or something.
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Yoshitaka Moromuo
Distant Light Galactic
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Blastrodamus
Originally by: Ephemeron
If CCP asks community help it would have a chance of happening.
CCP is a business. if and when it's practical, i'm sure they will be capable of seeking their own legal counsel.
Take the case to Slashdot; I'm sure NewYorkCountryLawyer (a regular over there) would be glad to offer a bit of advice pro bono. |
Lee Chinnick
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:50:00 -
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A few well aimed atom bombs should do the trick :P
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:52:00 -
[12]
There's an easy way to combat keyloggers.
Don't click random links.
It's worked for me for years.
--Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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Devine13
Nomad LLP
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:54:00 -
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If you click on a link, and quickly close the window before it loads ( ) are you at risk of getting keylogged?
The one I clicked was the "Look at my different UI setup" one (not a stupid **** one), and right after I clicked it I saw a comment on the thread saying that it was a keylogger and quickly closed the window before anything showed up.
I changed my password immediately after, but do I need to be on a different computer (IP) to be completely safe?
Thanks in advance
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Blastrodamus
CCP is a business. if and when it's practical, i'm sure they will be capable of seeking their own legal counsel.
criminal investigations always rely on community help. Somebody knows something of value
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Blastrodamus
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
criminal investigations always rely on community help. Somebody knows something of value
so someone not working for CCP has access to the same (or more) logs that CCP has? interesting.
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Izztyrr Maemtor
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:00:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: Blastrodamus
CCP is a business. if and when it's practical, i'm sure they will be capable of seeking their own legal counsel.
criminal investigations always rely on community help. Somebody knows something of value
Dude, 20 something years ago I would have asked for some of what you've been smoking.
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No Homo
Gallente
Big Heart Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:01:00 -
[17]
I think maybe if we increase the amount of topics per day on this subject from around 500 to over 9000 it will definitely stop the keylogger forum spam. Yep that will do the trick.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Devine13
If you click on a link, and quickly close the window before it loads () are you at risk of getting keylogged?
The one I clicked was the "Look at my different UI setup" one (not a stupid **** one), and right after I clicked it I saw a comment on the thread saying that it was a keylogger and quickly closed the window before anything showed up.
I changed my password immediately after, but do I need to be on a different computer (IP) to be completely safe?
Thanks in advance
If you want extra protection against keylogger, I recommend using this program: http://www.snoopfree.com/PrivacyShield.htm
but if you are too paranoid to trust me or that program, you don't need to click if you don't want to. Google reviews for it - snoopfree privacy shield
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Devine13
If you click on a link, and quickly close the window before it loads () are you at risk of getting keylogged?
The one I clicked was the "Look at my different UI setup" one (not a stupid **** one), and right after I clicked it I saw a comment on the thread saying that it was a keylogger and quickly closed the window before anything showed up.
I changed my password immediately after, but do I need to be on a different computer (IP) to be completely safe?
Thanks in advance
Take out HD, scorch it. Only way to be sure. Nuke from orbit if you have resources at hand.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Blastrodamus
Edited by: Blastrodamus on 14/08/2009 20:52:38
prevent linking in the forums, unless it's an internal link to another page on the eve forums or site.
EDITED: make a whitelist for domains that are approved safe to link to.
I think this could actually work.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:13:00 -
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Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 14/08/2009 21:13:43
Originally by: Nika Dekaia
We need to make people to not klick dodgy links on the internetz. Problem solved.
Your porposal is good on paper.
How your going to do that.
Mind control machine ?
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:25:00 -
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Just turn off the internet. There. no more spam anywhere. Only way to fix it really.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Devine13
Nomad LLP
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Just turn off the internet. There. no more spam anywhere. Only way to fix it really.
EVE Offline? 
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:34:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Devine13
Originally by: Abrazzar
Just turn off the internet. There. no more spam anywhere. Only way to fix it really.
EVE Offline?
Yes.
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Devine13
Nomad LLP
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:39:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Devine13
Originally by: Abrazzar
Just turn off the internet. There. no more spam anywhere. Only way to fix it really.
EVE Offline?
Yes.
So.. what do you do after you kill the 7 (or so) red X's with your purple shuttle of doom?
A wreck starts flashing but I can't do anything with it.
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Ferkimer Burns
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:43:00 -
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We need a pill to make all you fellas gay so you won't click the naked women pictures.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2009.08.14 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ferkimer Burns
We need a pill to make all you fellas gay so you won't click the naked women pictures.
The spammer would swiftly change the picture to target the new audience putting you at risk. Would you want that?
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Messoroz
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: Messoroz on 14/08/2009 22:36:17
Edited by: Messoroz on 14/08/2009 22:36:07
Edited by: Messoroz on 14/08/2009 22:35:33
Originally by: Ephemeron
I forgot to mention: USA has federal law regarding computer hacking and viruses. Our case may be eligible for FBI investigation. EU may have similar laws in place. We need to find people who can provide legal advice, and we need help establishing real identity of the attacker. If CCP asks community help it would have a chance of happening.
Uh, CCP is in Iceland and the malware authors are also probably not in the USA or EU, so have fun(good $@^$ing luck having China or Russia extradite people).
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Brechan Skene
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:40:00 -
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I suspect that most of the key logger scams are being posted by accounts that are currently on their free trail period.
How about prevent trail accounts from posting stuff on the forums. If they are going to post this crap on the forums they will need to have either paid for that privilege or used a GTC Code.
I would assume the loss of income would ensure a quick stop too this.
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:53:00 -
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any topic that has the word hot, sexy, models, schoolgirl, just dont look at it and especially dont click any links that are conained therein.
conversely get firefox plugins adblocker, script blocker, and or a good security suite, kaspersky ftw. and open whatever you want nothing will get on your system less u insist on allowing scripts to run even if they look malicious.
kaspersky is the best security software out there you can purposely go about trying to get your system infected and 90% of the time a page will not even load if its got anything fishy embedded in it, kaspersky will stop it dead and clean it. only drawback to kasper is how resource intensive it can be and for whatever reason it can make some games chug.
surf smart surf safe, walk recklessly and carry a big honking security suite.
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Another Forum'Alt
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.08.14 23:11:00 -
[31]
Blacklist IPs from china.
For users, get Firefox with noscript, keep both + OS up to date.
BECAUSE OF FALCON.
Guide to forum posting |
Seraph Castillon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.14 23:30:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Seraph Castillon on 14/08/2009 23:33:03
If they are using trial account to post on the forums (do trails have posting privs?) then just take away those posting privileges from the trial accounts.
If they are using actual payed for game accounts then there are two possibilities:
1)Only the characters are being banned/deleted or they are only being forum banned. If this is the case then account bans should be gotten to asap
2)Somehow they make a profit out of this, even while loosing accounts daily. If this is the case something is terribly wrong and something should be done to reduce their succes.
P.S. For those telling people just not to click them ... fine, but it's still damn annoying to have the forums full of those posts.
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Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.08.14 23:32:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Seraph Castillon
If they are using trial account to post on the forums (do trails have posting privs?) then just take away those posting privileges from the trial accounts.
If they are using actual payed for game accounts then there are two possibilities:
1)Only the characters are being banned/deleted or they are only being forum banned. If this is the case then account bans should be gotten to asap
2)Somehow they make a profit out of this, even while loosing accounts daily. If this is the case something is terribly wrong and something should be done to reduce their succes.
They use stolen credit card info to make these accounts.
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Drima Veeshaub
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.08.14 23:37:00 -
[34]
Nuking China got my vote.
Delenda est achura. |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.08.14 23:46:00 -
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Run Mac OS X, or Windows Vista/7. Use a non-administrator account as your normal day-to-day account. Problem solved - you can click all the keylogger links you want and your machine will still be safe (unless you do something truly daft like type in your administrator password anytime an anonymous program asks for it).
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Ukucia
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.08.15 00:08:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Run Mac OS X, or Windows Vista/7. Use a non-administrator account as your normal day-to-day account. Problem solved - you can click all the keylogger links you want and your machine will still be safe (unless you do something truly daft like type in your administrator password anytime an anonymous program asks for it).
Notsomuch.
Several of the recent PDF and Flash exploits provide root privileges.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.08.15 00:12:00 -
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To be honest, I fear the day when these guys get wise and actually hide their keyloggers behind REALISTIC posts. Right now, the keyloggers are blindingly obvious. But what about when they start posting in C&P about a failmail with a link to a fake killboard which has a piece of malware on it?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.15 00:44:00 -
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If there was no ISK buying, there would be no ISK selling.
Buying ISK should be a permaban offense.
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.08.15 01:39:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Seraph Castillon
Edited by: Seraph Castillon on 14/08/2009 23:33:03
If they are using trial account to post on the forums (do trails have posting privs?) then just take away those posting privileges from the trial accounts.
Or just set up the forum so trial accounts can't create links or post urls. Should be simple regex to do that.
However, after the first few posts captured the first batch of idiots I suspect that most new posts are now actually coming from hacked accounts. This is why it is hard for CCP to keep up with the issue.
This whole account hacking is, I suppose, simply because the plex and CCP's liberal use of the ban stick has made the whole ISK selling business very low in profitability.
I agree that the next logical step in this war is targeting the buyers. While I don't think banning these players (for the first offense at least) is really the way to go, I do think something needs to be done.
Perhaps hitting them square in the ego would be a way to go, with something like a name and shame thread for known buyers, or if that is against the terms of use for the forum perhaps a name and shame web site (something IGB compatible).
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z0de
Gallente
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 02:12:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Devine13
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Devine13
Originally by: Abrazzar
Just turn off the internet. There. no more spam anywhere. Only way to fix it really.
EVE Offline?
Yes.
So.. what do you do after you kill the 7 (or so) red X's with your purple shuttle of doom?
A wreck starts flashing but I can't do anything with it.
click it.
á
á
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Janice Jankowski
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Posted - 2009.08.15 03:39:00 -
[41]
Lolcat has your answer
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.08.15 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 15/08/2009 04:00:36
Perma ban the buyers, the fact this does not happen means the same idiots keep buying knowing they can simply switch alts if they need to. They can easily sell GTC's for isk to cover any losses (which is why they are not banned of course) Even that Ricdic is still playing.
IP bans wont work, its easy to set up a proxy. For the same reason I doubt they can trace who is doing it so the only legal action can be with the selling companies. These are also not easy to get, even the all powerful Blizzard spent a lot of time and money to shut one down..and another simply opens up.
They have stopped going for the sexually frustrated and stupid now, they are being smarter so all direct links should be turned off for a start.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
4 wing
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.15 04:07:00 -
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The Chinese government doesn't give a **** about their citizens assaulting other countries via the internet. Good luck prosecuting them.
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Bazuka
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Posted - 2009.08.15 04:29:00 -
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Hmmmm I never really followed this issue closely or was ever trying to figure out who and why is doing this but now that I read the OP accusing ISK farmers of doing all of this is makes perfect sense.
EVE has been banning ISk farmers aggressively lately so this is their retaliation?
Are they trying to say to CCP "Don`t fck with us and let us be or we`ll fck YOU up?"
Is there war going on between CCP and Isk farmers here?
Am I being Captain Obvious?lol
I mean, RMT stuff has been in MMOs for decade but I never realized that it`s on such a big scale that the farmers are going ut of their way and even break laws in order to keep their business?
Jeeeez, I`m not clicking on anything anymore, fck that.
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2009.08.15 08:23:00 -
[45]
To combat keyloggers, stop pressing keys.
MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU. |
Valator Uel
Caldari
N'Th'Rack Squadron
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.15 08:25:00 -
[46]
As posted elsewhere:
A possible temporary solution is to have reported posts totaly censored until a GM reviews the post (ie all contents removed). Abusers of the system get warned then banned. That way we as the community can help by reporting all these posts and thereby removing the content. It gives GMs/ISD time to act.
Quote:
Aya > Hostile tcf gang coming to h-pa
Deva Blackfire > ships?
Ralarina > Yes, in ships
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.15 08:30:00 -
[47]
you are all proposing defensive measures. I am talking specifically about offense - how to hurt the people responsible. There should be some legal way of doing it. Even in China they gonna have laws against hacking/virus spreading.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.08.15 08:38:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Ephemeron
... I am talking specifically about offense - how to hurt the people responsible. ...
Vigilante justice only ever ends up with innocent people getting killed.
[Aussie players: join channel ANZAC] |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.08.15 08:43:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Ukucia
Several of the recent PDF and Flash exploits provide root privileges.
I wouldn't know, I have Flash disabled on all the browsers I use. There was a root exploit in Flash back in 2003, since then I've chosen to avoid using that software.
[Aussie players: join channel ANZAC] |
Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.08.15 09:16:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Ephemeron
you are all proposing defensive measures. I am talking specifically about offense - how to hurt the people responsible. There should be some legal way of doing it. Even in China they gonna have laws against hacking/virus spreading.
It would be awesome if we could get whoever is responsible executed :D
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Sneakybustard
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Posted - 2009.08.15 09:54:00 -
[51]
maybe we could somehow track these people down and go **** them up really good?
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hired goon
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Posted - 2009.08.15 11:36:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Ephemeron
you are all proposing defensive measures. I am talking specifically about offense - how to hurt the people responsible. There should be some legal way of doing it. Even in China they gonna have laws against hacking/virus spreading.
Dude, you have to find them before you can hurt them. These people leave no trail to follow, everything is done via proxy. If they were selling ISK you could 'infiltrate' them as a customer then shut them down. But what they are doing now cannot be combatted against in any way except defense. It would be like trying to retaliate against a DDOS attack.
The only way I can think of is that, if they are stealing loads of e-riches, the only way that can ever make them REAL money is once they sell it BACK to someone else in the game. Therefore I'd say we should go after isk sellers by doing what I just said - pretending to be a customer until we have enough information about them to shut them down. We need a new volunteer group alongside ISD that's solely responsible for this task. An army of people whose sole job it is to shut down isk sellers by posing as customers. Once the sellers realize that 50% of all customers are actually CCP cops, their cost suddenly outweighs their profitability.
Though we'd need probably more than 50%, seeing as how automated spam-bots are not too much of an expense to set up. Unless they have to keep being modified, which is why my proposed offense should be coupled with a forum-block that's updated every day to counter each new iteration of bot. That way they'll need a guy there all the time trying to tweak the code of his bot. As it stands he can tweak it every month, it seems.
-omg-
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Bazuka
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Posted - 2009.08.15 12:00:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Sneakybustard
maybe we could somehow track these people down and go **** them up really good?
Sure Captain Nerdtastic
Lead the way.
I`m right behind you.
I have sharp mouse and my keybord is pretty heavy.
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slip66
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.15 15:55:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Seraph Castillon
Edited by: Seraph Castillon on 14/08/2009 23:33:03
If they are using trial account to post on the forums (do trails have posting privs?) then just take away those posting privileges from the trial accounts.
this
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Jack bubu
Lyonesse.
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.15 16:28:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Taedrin
To be honest, I fear the day when these guys get wise and actually hide their keyloggers behind REALISTIC posts. Right now, the keyloggers are blindingly obvious. But what about when they start posting in C&P about a failmail with a link to a fake killboard which has a piece of malware on it?
In case you havent noticed, they allready do.
I have seen fake posts about the Return to Homeworld comics with links leading to Keyloggers and other stuff.
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Pulivin Motic
Caldari
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.08.15 16:50:00 -
[56]
At the moment I sweep the forum twice every day reporting all the key loggers I find. In the end this is a war of attrition and if we act smart we will win.
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Weight What
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Posted - 2009.08.15 17:24:00 -
[57]
OP, stop using the royal 'we' in your paragraphs. Please do not pretend to speak for me. That is all, kthnx
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Bazuka
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Posted - 2009.08.15 17:28:00 -
[58]
It is war allright bit it`s not our war.
It`s a Isk farmer war on CCP to teach them a "lesson" for trying to remove the farmers out of EVE.
Farmers don`t want your ISK, they want your money and they want to keep their business as usual.
And atm they are winning because they have a very powerfull weapon, the stupidity of your Joe gamer.
Joe is so horny that he keeps clicking on japanese boobs pics even with so many warrnings on these forums, including a final warning after you click a link.
And I`m VERY supprised about farmers c.ockyness.
They don`t cave in to the pressure, they are actually applying the preassure back and are basically saying to CCP "leave us alone, keep a blind eye as you`ve done over the years.. or else!"
It`s a top-notch PVP happening right in front of our noses.
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Alex Vindan
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Posted - 2009.08.15 17:37:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Alex Vindan on 15/08/2009 17:38:54
Considering how many people actually post links to some legitimate place on the non-off topic forums, I'd say disabling all links, other than the places that are linked the most, like Youtube, battleclinic, evesurvival, etc. This would help give CCP time, and, if someone else wanted to give a link, they'd have to say "search this".
I think it would work without getting in the way...
Edit: Also, pilots who are selling their services (animated avatars for example) through a website can ask for their site to be unblocked after someone reviews it, or something along those lines.
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Another Forum'Alt
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.08.15 19:11:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Another Forum''Alt on 15/08/2009 19:11:34
Originally by: Kolatha
Originally by: Seraph Castillon
Edited by: Seraph Castillon on 14/08/2009 23:33:03
If they are using trial account to post on the forums (do trails have posting privs?) then just take away those posting privileges from the trial accounts.
Or just set up the forum so trial accounts can't create links or post urls. Should be simple regex to do that.
However, after the first few posts captured the first batch of idiots I suspect that most new posts are now actually coming from hacked accounts. This is why it is hard for CCP to keep up with the issue.
This whole account hacking is, I suppose, simply because the plex and CCP's liberal use of the ban stick has made the whole ISK selling business very low in profitability.
I agree that the next logical step in this war is targeting the buyers. While I don't think banning these players (for the first offense at least) is really the way to go, I do think something needs to be done.
Perhaps hitting them square in the ego would be a way to go, with something like a name and shame thread for known buyers, or if that is against the terms of use for the forum perhaps a name and shame web site (something IGB compatible).
Trials already can't post.
I say blacklist all Chinese IP ranges, and permaban (or at least 1 year or so, as well as isk removed) any isk buyers (without demand there is no supply)
BECAUSE OF FALCON.
Guide to forum posting |
Max Torps
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.15 19:23:00 -
[61]
Or you could visit a pre-filtered site that contains the posts on Eve-O and allows you to rate them. If (very big if) junk passes the filter then the forum at large can vote the offending stuff down.
Just saying. And yes, I'll shut up now.
**cough** http://www.starfleetcomms.com **cough**
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.15 20:11:00 -
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i don't see any problem with it, i can picture ******s clicking random links and getting (obviously) infected with several layers of malware, arbitrary code being executed now and then and god only knows how many keyloggers are lurking in their filesystem.
Natural Selection. That's Mr. Natural Selection to you.
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Amber Bock
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.15 21:16:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Another Forum'Alt
Edited by: Another Forum''Alt on 15/08/2009 19:11:34
Originally by: Kolatha
Originally by: Seraph Castillon
Edited by: Seraph Castillon on 14/08/2009 23:33:03
If they are using trial account to post on the forums (do trails have posting privs?) then just take away those posting privileges from the trial accounts.
Or just set up the forum so trial accounts can't create links or post urls. Should be simple regex to do that.
However, after the first few posts captured the first batch of idiots I suspect that most new posts are now actually coming from hacked accounts. This is why it is hard for CCP to keep up with the issue.
This whole account hacking is, I suppose, simply because the plex and CCP's liberal use of the ban stick has made the whole ISK selling business very low in profitability.
I agree that the next logical step in this war is targeting the buyers. While I don't think banning these players (for the first offense at least) is really the way to go, I do think something needs to be done.
Perhaps hitting them square in the ego would be a way to go, with something like a name and shame thread for known buyers, or if that is against the terms of use for the forum perhaps a name and shame web site (something IGB compatible).
Trials already can't post.
I say blacklist all Chinese IP ranges, and permaban (or at least 1 year or so, as well as isk removed) any isk buyers (without demand there is no supply)
What about the non hacking chinese players?
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.15 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Devine13
If you click on a link, and quickly close the window before it loads () are you at risk of getting keylogged?
The one I clicked was the "Look at my different UI setup" one (not a stupid **** one), and right after I clicked it I saw a comment on the thread saying that it was a keylogger and quickly closed the window before anything showed up.
I changed my password immediately after, but do I need to be on a different computer (IP) to be completely safe?
Thanks in advance
What the hell would be the point in changing your password if you have a keylogger? For pete's sake, they can log you typing in the new password, so you are back to square one. Same with those people who suggest splitting up forum password and game password. Riiight.. Because it can only sniff you typing in your forum password, and not your game password, right?
Frag.. 
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Berdoff Manard
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Posted - 2009.08.15 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Berdoff Manard on 15/08/2009 23:25:53
If you get keylogged it is 100% your own fault, unless the chinaman broke into your house and installed it on your computer himself. If you'd use a good antivirus/firewall combo, practice some degree of safe browsing (firefox+noscript+adblock), keep your OS up to date and stop buying isk it just wouldn't happen. Anyone who gets hacked is a victim, first and foremost, of their own stupidity.
The only thing CCP could really do to save you from yourself is implement two factor authentication, as Blizzard has with WoW, which makes it virtually impossible to hack your account unless they steal a physical keyfob from you as well. But, if I had to guess, most of the people getting hacked wouldn't be bothered to spend $5 on the keyfob if they already can't be bothered to update their antivirus and restrain themselves from clicking every obvious keylogger link on the forums.
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.15 23:27:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Amber Bock
Originally by: Another Forum'Alt
Edited by: Another Forum''Alt on 15/08/2009 19:11:34
Originally by: Kolatha
Originally by: Seraph Castillon
Edited by: Seraph Castillon on 14/08/2009 23:33:03
If they are using trial account to post on the forums (do trails have posting privs?) then just take away those posting privileges from the trial accounts.
Or just set up the forum so trial accounts can't create links or post urls. Should be simple regex to do that.
However, after the first few posts captured the first batch of idiots I suspect that most new posts are now actually coming from hacked accounts. This is why it is hard for CCP to keep up with the issue.
This whole account hacking is, I suppose, simply because the plex and CCP's liberal use of the ban stick has made the whole ISK selling business very low in profitability.
I agree that the next logical step in this war is targeting the buyers. While I don't think banning these players (for the first offense at least) is really the way to go, I do think something needs to be done.
Perhaps hitting them square in the ego would be a way to go, with something like a name and shame thread for known buyers, or if that is against the terms of use for the forum perhaps a name and shame web site (something IGB compatible).
Trials already can't post.
I say blacklist all Chinese IP ranges, and permaban (or at least 1 year or so, as well as isk removed) any isk buyers (without demand there is no supply)
What about the non hacking chinese players?
Chinese Servers
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.16 00:19:00 -
[67]
CCP should release all the information they have gathered about this keylogger spammer.
It would be the first step to initiating counter attack.
If CCP are afraid to associate their name in any aggressive action, they can leak the info anonymously.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2009.08.16 02:41:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Concorduck
Chinese Servers
Idiots advocating a blanket block of Chinese IPs:
1. You will block all legit Chinese players. Do not say 'Chinese Server' as their server has gone completely down the pan and is overrun with isk sellers. If they want to actually enjoy eve they come to tranquility.
2. The isk spammers will simply use proxies that are NOT in China.
You will therefore CREATE another problem WITHOUT solving the existing one.
-omg-
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Ishikaria
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Posted - 2009.08.16 12:51:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Another Forum'Alt
Edited by: Another Forum''Alt on 15/08/2009 19:11:34
Originally by: Kolatha
Originally by: Seraph Castillon
Edited by: Seraph Castillon on 14/08/2009 23:33:03
If they are using trial account to post on the forums (do trails have posting privs?) then just take away those posting privileges from the trial accounts.
Or just set up the forum so trial accounts can't create links or post urls. Should be simple regex to do that.
However, after the first few posts captured the first batch of idiots I suspect that most new posts are now actually coming from hacked accounts. This is why it is hard for CCP to keep up with the issue.
This whole account hacking is, I suppose, simply because the plex and CCP's liberal use of the ban stick has made the whole ISK selling business very low in profitability.
I agree that the next logical step in this war is targeting the buyers. While I don't think banning these players (for the first offense at least) is really the way to go, I do think something needs to be done.
Perhaps hitting them square in the ego would be a way to go, with something like a name and shame thread for known buyers, or if that is against the terms of use for the forum perhaps a name and shame web site (something IGB compatible).
Trials already can't post.
I say blacklist all Chinese IP ranges, and permaban (or at least 1 year or so, as well as isk removed) any isk buyers (without demand there is no supply)
You just dont get it do you. IP blocking dosent work because it is trivial to change your ip to avoid the ip ban.
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