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SquadBroken
Helljumpers
Double Dutch Rudders
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Posted - 2009.08.17 03:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: SquadBroken
Show me how a thanny is inferior to a phoenix or stfu. Thanks.
(hint, I've been posting here for 6 years - my main just got banned for trolling Jade Constantbuffon.) Want to get into a shipfit slap fight? Better know your **** or I'm going to embarrass the **** out of you.
Stop posturing like you know what you're talking about. Thanny the worst carrier? Jesus christ stop posting forever.
Hey! We asked you to explain your stance first. Not up to it or is artful dodging your claim to fame? 
Shield tanking when in the middle of a capital fight can be dicey. No capital remote armor rep bonus, etc. I don't need to prove the phoenix is garbage (comparatively) most people know it already. If you're going to buy/train a capital alt go Amarr or Gallente.
Simply put: Revelation/Archon = great.
Moros/Thanny = Good to great.
The others? Average to meh.
Yes I fly all 4 race's capital ships. Yes I'm talking about capital ship warfare not station hugging. Yes the thanny is far from the worst carrier. Yes these are my opinions and not a personal attack on anyone.
Still waiting for someone to tell me how the thanny is inferior to the phoenix in any way.
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AstroPhobic
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.17 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: SquadBroken
Show me how a thanny is inferior to a phoenix or stfu. Thanks.
(hint, I've been posting here for 6 years - my main just got banned for trolling Jade Constantbuffon.) Want to get into a shipfit slap fight? Better know your **** or I'm going to embarrass the **** out of you.
Stop posturing like you know what you're talking about. Thanny the worst carrier? Jesus christ stop posting forever.
Says the guy comparing a carrier to a dreadnought.
Well, more believable than Aus Dog, but at the rate you're going, you're gonna run out of troll steam. Carry on, I won't reply anymore, just watch the train wreck occur.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.17 03:36:00 -
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*grabs some popcorn* this should provide several poasts worth of entertainment. ^^
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[03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA
[03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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SquadBroken
Helljumpers
Double Dutch Rudders
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Posted - 2009.08.17 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: SquadBroken
Show me how a thanny is inferior to a phoenix or stfu. Thanks.
(hint, I've been posting here for 6 years - my main just got banned for trolling Jade Constantbuffon.) Want to get into a shipfit slap fight? Better know your **** or I'm going to embarrass the **** out of you.
Stop posturing like you know what you're talking about. Thanny the worst carrier? Jesus christ stop posting forever.
Says the guy comparing a carrier to a dreadnought.
Well, more believable than Aus Dog, but at the rate you're going, you're gonna run out of troll steam. Carry on, I won't reply anymore, just watch the train wreck occur.
Oh ffs i was talking about the race's respective capital ships. If you don't want to contribute gtfo. Thanks.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.17 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: SquadBroken
Still waiting for someone to tell me how the thanny is inferior to the phoenix in any way.
Still waiting on you to explain why the niddy is junk. How the hell did the pheonix get insterted? Artful dodger indeed..  |
SquadBroken
Helljumpers
Double Dutch Rudders
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Posted - 2009.08.17 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: SquadBroken
Still waiting for someone to tell me how the thanny is inferior to the phoenix in any way.
Still waiting on you to explain why the niddy is junk. How the hell did the pheonix get insterted? Artful dodger indeed..
Still waiting on you to answer my question first - and I was clearly talking about the chimera. Dwell on semantics if you like.
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Galan Amarias
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.08.17 05:04:00 -
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Two things,
1. I love my Archon
2. I just can't resist these trolls..
Originally by: SquadBroken
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: SquadBroken
Easy answer: nid is junk archon rocks.
Archon wins hands down.
Oh look, first troll of the thread. What took you so long?
Do you even know what a troll is moron? Archon and thanny's are VASTLY superior to the other race's counterparts.
Just because I might disagree with you doesn't mean I'm trolling. I would think most of eve agrees with me on that point actually.
True to disagree is not to troll. To disagree with out any substance to your argument at all, is pretty much the base definition.
Originally by: SquadBroken
(hint, I've been posting here for 6 years - my main just got banned for trolling Jade Constantbuffon.) Want to get into a shipfit slap fight? Better know your **** or I'm going to embarrass the **** out of you.
LOL, that is pure win. You didn't say you weren't a troll, so I give you props for not lying, but then you did say you were banned on your main for what? Oh yeah trolling.
The bridge is that >>>---> way, I'm sure Dora and Boots will be along in a moment.
-Galan
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.17 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: SquadBroken
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: SquadBroken
Still waiting for someone to tell me how the thanny is inferior to the phoenix in any way.
Still waiting on you to explain why the niddy is junk. How the hell did the pheonix get insterted? Artful dodger indeed..
Still waiting on you to answer my question first - and I was clearly talking about the chimera. Dwell on semantics if you like.
No no, your first poast was about the niddy being junk and the archon being the roxxorz. Then Astro chimed in with the whole thanny being junk line. So don't let your futile secret love for astroooo to cloud your perception and stick to the topic plx. 
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[03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA
[03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Levistus Junior
Caldari
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.17 07:05:00 -
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My 2 cents on the carrier issue:
Archon: It has a really strong local tank due to resist bonuses which means you will be primaried far less often than any other carrier type; it's only downside is that is the only carrier that can't rep POSes.
Nidhoggur Pretty solid carrier IMHO. Can rep both shield and armor(with a great bonus), it's got a decent armor tank, but will almost always be primary due to it's rep bonus. And it's the fastest carrier, which is a pretty situational advantage, but I did see a Niddy making it out of a decently sized hotdrop(Nyx+6-7 other carriers) by slowboating out of point range.
Thanatos Nothing special about the Thanatos. Same slot layout as the Niddy, but with a less useful bonus IMHO and a bit worse resistance layout. The main reason you see so many is probably because gallente BS used to be FOTM for a long time and also the Moros used to be far superior to the Naglfar.
Chimera The worst carrier for fleets IMHO. The fact that you are shield tanked and are repping shields when most of the other caps armor tank is a pretty serious disadvantage.
So, between Nidhoggur and Archon I don't think you can really go wrong. Just expect to lose many more Niddys than Archons. Also, if you plan to go for dread also, you need to also think Revelation vs. Naglfar
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Triksterism
z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2009.08.17 09:38:00 -
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Archon and Niddy are the two most useful carriers imo.
The Thanatos is a joke and the Chimera is lolshields (excellent local tank though but, yeah....shields.)
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.17 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 17/08/2009 09:45:22
Originally by: SquadBroken
Show me how a thanny is inferior to a chimera or stfu. Thanks.
Chimera has much, much more cap for rr, and can do so while carrying eccm and or a sensor booster. Thanatos sacrifices either cap or e-war resistance for the other.
Originally by: SquadBroken
Shield tanking when in the middle of a capital fight can be dicey. No capital remote armor rep bonus, etc. I don't need to prove the phoenix is garbage (comparatively) most people know it already.
5,000 dps disagrees, and you can't be remote repped while in siege any way, so what the hell are you talking about?
Furthermore, from your replies my diagnose is hat you aren't a troll, you're just a bit clueless when it comes to capital ships.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.17 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Levistus Junior
My 2 cents on the carrier issue:
Archon: It has a really strong local tank due to resist bonuses which means you will be primaried far less often than any other carrier type; it's only downside is that is the only carrier that can't rep POSes.
Nidhoggur Pretty solid carrier IMHO. Can rep both shield and armor(with a great bonus), it's got a decent armor tank, but will almost always be primary due to it's rep bonus. And it's the fastest carrier, which is a pretty situational advantage, but I did see a Niddy making it out of a decently sized hotdrop(Nyx+6-7 other carriers) by slowboating out of point range.
Thanatos Nothing special about the Thanatos. Same slot layout as the Niddy, but with a less useful bonus IMHO and a bit worse resistance layout. The main reason you see so many is probably because gallente BS used to be FOTM for a long time and also the Moros used to be far superior to the Naglfar.
Chimera The worst carrier for fleets IMHO. The fact that you are shield tanked and are repping shields when most of the other caps armor tank is a pretty serious disadvantage.
So, between Nidhoggur and Archon I don't think you can really go wrong. Just expect to lose many more Niddys than Archons. Also, if you plan to go for dread also, you need to also think Revelation vs. Naglfar
All due respect for your on-topic post, but did you get stuck in eve 2 years ago when 5 carriers was considered a 'capital fleet'.
Archons are good because they can fit for a decent buffer while having **** tons of cap for rr.
Nidhoggur is good because it can deal epic rr, but as with all others this depends heavily on fitting.
Thanatos gets the ****tiest bonus but for the rest is same slot layout as nid so basically its just 3/4 as good as a nid for fleets.
Chimera has epic amounts of cap for rr and its no use denying that you simply need shield reppers. Support is shield buffered, many titans are shield buffered in some way and there are many chimeras and phoenixes about. And that's not even mentioning POSes. Besides that, any rr is good rr, so mixed fleets ftw.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:03:00 -
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I had to choose between an archon and a nidh for an alt awhile ago and went for the nidhoggur for using it in skirmishes not fleetfights, where having armor and shield remote reps counts for alot, especially bonussed ones.
Its pretty much archon for big fleets and nidhoggur for skirmishes and pos repping, tho archon is good for repping mods too.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:19:00 -
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Basicly what Socratesz said. They're both good anyways, but at different things, so just pick whichever you think you'd enjoy more.
If I'd have to do the cap stuff all over again on another alt, well, it would hardly matter which one I took. Imho all races are pretty equal overall atm. I'd probably just do whichever race that I wanted to fly BS for as well, and in that case, it smells Gallente to me. Misanth covered the Amarr tree already.
Anyway.. is it a main? Is it a capital alt? The point I'm trying to make is that, it should actually matter more what your character flies outside the capitals, when picking what to fly. At least it does to me.
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King Rothgar
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:24:00 -
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Look at all the people here who seem to think all fights are 300 vs 300. Some fights are 1 carrier and a few BS's vs 20 BS's or whatever. In fact, those happen all the time. Just say'n since the original poster made no mention of where and what he was using it for.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Gypsio III on 17/08/2009 10:33:28
Originally by: King Rothgar
Look at all the people here who seem to think all fights are 300 vs 300. Some fights are 1 carrier and a few BS's vs 20 BS's or whatever. In fact, those happen all the time. Just say'n since the original poster made no mention of where and what he was using it for.
Well, in these smaller fights, Nidhoggur is clearly the best with Thanatos second - because they both rep both armour and shield.
Now, I don't have the large fleet experience, but it would seem to me that the role of Carriers as logistics platforms remains the same regardless of fleet size, suggesting that Nidhoggur and Thanatos are superior in fleet as well. Then, since both Nidhoggur and Thanatos are better at logistics when shield-tanked with CPRs, the Chimera would be third, with the Archon stuck in last place, crippled by its inability to rep shields.
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.08.17 10:35:00 -
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Nid alone is dead nid. The lack of a tank bonus while having less HP and cap than thanatos means it dies faster than anything else. For operating ALONE chimera and Archon are the best because they are the only ones with a relevant tank.
If you have 3-4 carriers than nid is best
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steave435
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.17 11:02:00 -
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so if you find yourself bubbled in 0.0 you are the most likely to not die in a fire.
No...a nid will be called primary since it is better at keeping the other carriers alive, and its own tank isn't as strong, and the primary will be kept bubbled/pointed. An archon on the other hand would be the last in the list of primaries.
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archon is probably the most useless carrier
Hmm...let's see here...compared to the nid/thanny, it loose the ability to shield transfer and gain the ability to cap transfer, and either a fighter damage bonus or a RR amount bonus, and gain a resist bonus. The nids RR bonus usually doesn't matter since it will be the first one to die anyway, unless there are alot more nids there, but nids aren't very common, so I'd say it's unlikely, and an all archon or chimera gang would have the same benefit basically since their resist bonus has the same effect as a RR bonus for RRs applied to it. Thannys fighter damage bonus could be situationally useful, but in general, resist bonus will be better so the carrier can actually survive to do its primary logistics job. The only thing nids do better then archons is pos repping.
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The Archon's bonus only works for it when it's primaried, and as stated before noone ever primaries archons, so by the time people are shooting the Archons you've probably lost.
But nids RR bonus only works when they're NOT being primaried, and everyone primary nids :p
Also, atleast for us, about 50-60% of our carrier fleets usually consist of archons (majority of the rest are thannys), so no, there can still be quite a few people left when there's nothing but archons to shoot left.
The real difference between an all nid and all archon fleet though is that while the nid fleet only has a rep bonus, which will not be enough in a big cap fight with dreads etc on the field, while the archon fleet get that same tanking onus trough its resists, but in addition to that, also gain alot of buffer trough that bonus.
My vote definetly go to the archon.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.17 11:11:00 -
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Some good points there steave, but don't forget that the nid is more flexible because it can rep shield and armour, and can 'project' its bonus anywhere in contrast to the archon which just sits there with nice resists.
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