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karmahpolice
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Posted - 2009.08.15 16:08:00 -
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Well the time has come for me to decide.. i have all skills for capital ships inc jump drive calibration and stuff to 4. Capital ships 4 etc. I recently reached out and went into amarr and now have amarr bs 5.
So what shall i do. Nidhoggur or Archon? My alt flies a thanny, no interest in caldari stuff..
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.08.15 16:32:00 -
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What do you intend to do with your carrier? Are you out for solo triage carriers or in larger fleets? Archon is a great carrier, nidhoggur is better but narrower. Parrots, commence!
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Barak Tor
Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.15 17:59:00 -
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there are arguments for both... i don' think i've ever seen anyone primary an archon in a fight...
and its got a lot of cap so its limited number of mids isn't that big of an issue.
however i think the nidhoggur is the best 'giver',m that is is reps the most. but also its the fastest carrier and 2nd fastest capital ship (after the naglfar lol), so if you find yourself bubbled in 0.0 you are the most likely to not die in a fire.
But that being said iirc the archon has the best sustained tank of the carriers, esp. after you consider how much more common armor remote reps are. (thats kinda a boost to the 'hoggur too since is armor tanks)
I personally fly the nidhoggur it does the 'logistics' portion of the carrier role better. But my 2nd choice would have been the archon.
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Graalum
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.15 21:54:00 -
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archon is probably the most useless carrier
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Novus Auctorita
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Posted - 2009.08.15 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum archon is probably the most useless carrier
Its useful to not get primaried.
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.08.16 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Graalum archon is probably the most useless carrier
Its useful to not get primaried.
and that is the most important thing.
Also archon is in fact far superior. Armor repair is what you need in battle. And archons exchanging cap simply have a near infinite cap supply. They are very efficient on spider gangs because of their resists, layout and bonuses. I can fly both... woudl NEVEr buy a nidhogur except for the looks
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.16 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 16/08/2009 00:23:21 A fleet wholey comprised of Archons will have a stronger spider tank than a fleet wholey composed of Niddies (you should be perma running 2 RR's without cap transfering anyway btw).
SAYING THAT...
The Archon's bonus only works for it when it's primaried, and as stated before noone ever primaries archons, so by the time people are shooting the Archons you've probably lost.
Nid does shield and armour which is useful. Expect to get primaried a lot. Racial +10% EM resist is nice and the rep bonus is excellent for small gang support and the like. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |

Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.08.16 02:17:00 -
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Nid is best for the fleet.. but WORSE by far for its pilot. The archon is the best ship for its pilot point of view.
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Ecky X
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Posted - 2009.08.16 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Seishi Maru Nid is best for the fleet.. but WORSE by far for its pilot. The archon is the best ship for its pilot point of view.
Especially since archon doesn't have to rep POS shields. 
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.08.16 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ecky X
Especially since archon doesn't have to rep POS shields. 
Absolutely best thing about Archons .
I'd say the Nid is actually a better carrier, due to much more powerful bonus. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |

Pasha.
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Posted - 2009.08.16 04:21:00 -
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Niddy is the best carrier for: repping Archon has one of the best local tanks.
You'll probably spend way more time repping POSes than anything else (archon is kind of useless for that since it can't rep shields). I say go for Niddy if you want to be more useful to your corp/alliance.
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Ahz
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Posted - 2009.08.16 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: karmahpolice Nidhoggur or Archon?
Niddy = remote repping Archon = tank
I suppose if you want to rat in your carrier the Archon is probably your best bet.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.16 21:18:00 -
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Both are good, but it depends wholly on their fit.
Anyone who says archon is good because of local tank hasn't got a clue.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.08.16 22:08:00 -
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Archon IMO.
Local tank is nice, but why it really shines is for the remote rep capability - it remote armour reps, and has horrendous resists. And in most fleet fights, there's a lot of armour tanking going on, meaning a spider tank gets very impressive very fast.
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.08.16 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz Both are good, but it depends wholly on their fit.
Anyone who says archon is good because of local tank hasn't got a clue.
depends.. if you consider "not being primaried because of its stupdly high resists" as a local tank (well you are surviving longer without anyone else helping :P ) then it has sort of a good local tank. :P
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.16 22:43:00 -
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I like my niddy. Its quite versatile with the nice even slot layout and can perform many roles past fleet logistics for a small corp or player with multiple accounts. Plus its the best looking carrier of the bunch to me though I do rather like the archons coercerish styling. 
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.08.16 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Seishi Maru
Originally by: Sokratesz Both are good, but it depends wholly on their fit.
Anyone who says archon is good because of local tank hasn't got a clue.
depends.. if you consider "not being primaried because of its stupdly high resists" as a local tank (well you are surviving longer without anyone else helping :P ) then it has sort of a good local tank. :P
It has an excellent local tank - both because it's not primaried, and because it can just tank extremely well anyway.
But that's not the point I assume Sokratesz was trying to make - local tanks mean nothing in 'real' fights. Having a big buffer, resists for being remote repped and good remote repair capability (for armour) is what makes the Archon a good carrier.
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Aluin Chaput
Caldari Mort's Navy
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Posted - 2009.08.17 01:59:00 -
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Generally I would stay away from Minnie Caps.
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Ecky X
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Posted - 2009.08.17 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Aluin Chaput Generally I would stay away from Minnie Caps.
Except that the Nag is as good or better than the Moros and Rev in many cases, and the Niddy is just plain solid.
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AstroPhobic
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.17 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ecky X
Originally by: Aluin Chaput Generally I would stay away from Minnie Caps.
Except that the Nag is as good or better than the Moros and Rev in many cases, and the Niddy is just plain solid.
Yeah I would have agreed pre-nag boost, but they've gotten solid. Well the niddy hasn't changed (afaik), but the nag is very nice now. They still require more training than other races, but may be worth it now.
Well, disregarding the fact that you have to waste large projectiles 5 and minmatar battleship 5 getting into a nag.
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SquadBroken
Helljumpers Double Dutch Rudders
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Posted - 2009.08.17 02:29:00 -
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Easy answer: nid is junk archon rocks.
Archon wins hands down.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.17 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: SquadBroken Easy answer: nid is junk archon rocks.
Archon wins hands down.
Oh look, first troll of the thread. What took you so long? 
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SquadBroken
Helljumpers Double Dutch Rudders
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Posted - 2009.08.17 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: SquadBroken Easy answer: nid is junk archon rocks.
Archon wins hands down.
Oh look, first troll of the thread. What took you so long? 
Do you even know what a troll is moron? Archon and thanny's are VASTLY superior to the other race's counterparts.
Just because I might disagree with you doesn't mean I'm trolling. I would think most of eve agrees with me on that point actually.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.17 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: SquadBroken
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: SquadBroken Easy answer: nid is junk archon rocks.
Archon wins hands down.
Oh look, first troll of the thread. What took you so long? 
Do you even know what a troll is moron? Archon and thanny's are VASTLY superior to the other race's counterparts.
Just because I might disagree with you doesn't mean I'm trolling. I would think most of eve agrees with me on that point actually.
*reads your poast* Yup I certainly know a troll when I see it. So to substatiate your claim and enlighten us poor niddy flying pilots please detail out why you think its junk. Easy answers are lazy answers. 
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AstroPhobic
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.17 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: SquadBroken
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: SquadBroken Easy answer: nid is junk archon rocks.
Archon wins hands down.
Oh look, first troll of the thread. What took you so long? 
Do you even know what a troll is moron? Archon and thanny's are VASTLY superior to the other race's counterparts.
Just because I might disagree with you doesn't mean I'm trolling. I would think most of eve agrees with me on that point actually.
Except everyone here knows the thanny is hands down the worst of the carriers. You seem to think you know a lot, but actually know very little. I suggest you go on your merry way before you get abused and violated in only ways the eve forums can provide.
Love,
Astro
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SquadBroken
Helljumpers Double Dutch Rudders
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Posted - 2009.08.17 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic Except everyone here knows the thanny is hands down the worst of the carriers.
You're either a very good troll or a very VERY huge imbecile.
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Ecky X
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Posted - 2009.08.17 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: SquadBroken
Originally by: AstroPhobic Except everyone here knows the thanny is hands down the worst of the carriers.
You're either a very good troll or a very VERY huge imbecile.
Please, explain.
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AstroPhobic
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2009.08.17 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: SquadBroken
Originally by: AstroPhobic Except everyone here knows the thanny is hands down the worst of the carriers.
You're either a very good troll or a very VERY huge imbecile.
You'll be gone from S+M within the week. Already your ego already severely outperforms your knowledge. I won't waste my energy explaining why you're wrong on many levels, but I imagine someone else will.
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SquadBroken
Helljumpers Double Dutch Rudders
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Posted - 2009.08.17 03:21:00 -
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Edited by: SquadBroken on 17/08/2009 03:22:54 Edited by: SquadBroken on 17/08/2009 03:22:17
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: SquadBroken
Originally by: AstroPhobic Except everyone here knows the thanny is hands down the worst of the carriers.
You're either a very good troll or a very VERY huge imbecile.
You'll be gone from S+M within the week. Already your ego already severely outperforms your knowledge. I won't waste my energy explaining why you're wrong on many levels, but I imagine someone else will.
Show me how a thanny is inferior to a phoenix or stfu. Thanks.
(hint, I've been posting here for 6 years - my main just got banned for trolling Jade Constantbuffon.) Want to get into a shipfit slap fight? Better know your **** or I'm going to embarrass the **** out of you.
Stop posturing like you know what you're talking about. Thanny the worst carrier? Jesus christ stop posting forever.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.17 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: SquadBroken Show me how a thanny is inferior to a phoenix or stfu. Thanks.
(hint, I've been posting here for 6 years - my main just got banned for trolling Jade Constantbuffon.) Want to get into a shipfit slap fight? Better know your **** or I'm going to embarrass the **** out of you.
Stop posturing like you know what you're talking about. Thanny the worst carrier? Jesus christ stop posting forever.
Hey! We asked you to explain your stance first. Not up to it or is artful dodging your claim to fame? 
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