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Ivanna Nuke
Daralux
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:14:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Shade Millith
Originally by: Ivanna Nuke
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Wow, people getting upset that console players can control planets. Like planets have ever meant anything.
And the Sov people, just take a look at FW space. Nobody cares too much about 0.0 conqurable space.
True even if they control a planet, it is not like they can launch titan ships into orbit, zero space should be pretty much as it always was.
I await more details on this.
( GF also said I can have a Xbox 360 )
*does happy dance*
FW Sov is a joke.
0.0 Sov nets you control over stations, protects assets, lowers cost of fuel, permits JB networks, allows cyno jamming and cyno beacons.
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zero space should be pretty much as it always was.
Tell that to BOB. When their sov suddenly vanished, everything fell like a house of cards. Sov means a hell of a lot in 0.0.
Then CCP need to be very careful as I imagine 0-0 makes up a huge playerbase in EVE which would emorage quit if this affects Sov.
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Ayrion Centare
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:15:00 -
[62]
It's a bold move, I give CCP that much.
Without knowing more details it is hard to judge but from what little we have I have a question.
The age and mindset of Eve-Online players and the age and mindset of console FPS players; are they compatible?
I ask this because if Dust influences the Sov mechanics in Eve-Online, that would imply that Eve-Online Alliances would have to include a Dust based component (a land army) in their strategy towards galactic conquest.
Will the two mesh properly?
I think that is the big risk CCP is taking.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:18:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Tippia on 18/08/2009 11:18:51
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
You mouse-whiners do know that the PS3 sports a USB-port, and fully supports most (if not all) mice?
You do know that's for use with the browser, and in general not for games, right?
…unless you add support for it in your game, which a few FPSes have done.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Typhado3
Minmatar
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:18:00 -
[64]
I always found I need 1 serious game to play (eve) and 1 not so serious get in for an hour kill some **** then get back to work game.... that used to be dota but now it may be eve for both....
this could be very good. ccp has done alright in the past lets see how they handle this.
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Just a crazy inventor
ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:19:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Ivanna Nuke
Originally by: Shade Millith
Originally by: Ivanna Nuke
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Wow, people getting upset that console players can control planets. Like planets have ever meant anything.
And the Sov people, just take a look at FW space. Nobody cares too much about 0.0 conqurable space.
True even if they control a planet, it is not like they can launch titan ships into orbit, zero space should be pretty much as it always was.
I await more details on this.
( GF also said I can have a Xbox 360 )
*does happy dance*
FW Sov is a joke.
0.0 Sov nets you control over stations, protects assets, lowers cost of fuel, permits JB networks, allows cyno jamming and cyno beacons.
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zero space should be pretty much as it always was.
Tell that to BOB. When their sov suddenly vanished, everything fell like a house of cards. Sov means a hell of a lot in 0.0.
Then CCP need to be very careful as I imagine 0-0 makes up a huge playerbase in EVE which would emorage quit if this affects Sov.
People aren't going to emo rage quit or they would of already done so considering how BoB was ousted from Delve. Or should of if they really care so much about sovereignty mechanics in EVE. "Hay guyz I clicks teh butonz and killz yrz of wrk lulz". Really. This happens and people are going to emo rage quit over a more dynamic mechanism for sovereignty? I doubt it.
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
RaouLCrew
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:22:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 18/08/2009 11:18:51
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
You mouse-whiners do know that the PS3 sports a USB-port, and fully supports most (if not all) mice?
You do know that's for use with the browser, and in general not for games, right?
āunless you add support for it in your game, which a few FPSes have done.
Curious - I haven't yet heard of any PS3 game that allows the use of a mouse...
Care to list a few for me? (you can mail them ingame if you don't want to list them here)
Besides that, I'm still having a laugh at all the people raging about sovereignty mechanics when the game is still in development and no concrete "can/can't do" lists have been published by CCP.
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:23:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Valtis Thermalion
I wonder if you can commence planetary bombardment on eve while people are fighting on the planet 
So I'm not the only one who thought about this. It would really settle that whole PC vs Console debate wouldn't it.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero!  /me bows
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Zeus
Amarr
Evolution
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:24:00 -
[68]
Console only was a dumb idea, CCP have effectivly alienated the PC crowd :/
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Zun Da
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:25:00 -
[69]
Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Valtis Thermalion
I wonder if you can commence planetary bombardment on eve while people are fighting on the planet
So I'm not the only one who thought about this. It would really settle that whole PC vs Console debate wouldn't it.
Dust will be part of the winter expansion for Eve 
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Typhado3
Minmatar
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:26:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Gamasutra
As for the title of the game, Petursson said that he wouldn't give away why the title was called Dust 514, but that very clever devotees of the existing EVE Online universe might be able to work things out.
Anyone able to solve this riddle? gas clouds sleeper floride stuff possibly to do with allowing cloning of land troops (how else to explain you dieing repetedly). could be reference to golden compass. anything happen on 5/14 that might explain it?
Also the more i think of it the more I want to play it. Thinking about all the cool guns and stuff I've read about in the backstory, they might just give us a few of them to play with.
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Just a crazy inventor
ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:27:00 -
[71]
Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Valtis Thermalion
I wonder if you can commence planetary bombardment on eve while people are fighting on the planet
So I'm not the only one who thought about this. It would really settle that whole PC vs Console debate wouldn't it.
Skills required Cov ops 5 and bomb deployment 5. Result, watching people emo rage on the xbox forums for months. Would be classic, specially if there are icons on the overview that tells you what planets have battles raging on them.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:27:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Schalac
People aren't going to emo rage quit or they would of already done so considering how BoB was ousted from Delve. Or should of if they really care so much about sovereignty mechanics in EVE. "Hay guyz I clicks teh butonz and killz yrz of wrk lulz". Really. This happens and people are going to emo rage quit over a more dynamic mechanism for sovereignty? I doubt it.
Errrm, what happened to bob was an isolated event that only effected bob. If this turns out to actually have an effect on 0.0 sov then everyone at once is going to be effected with nothing to do about it but pay for mercenaries in the console game to help keep your sov up. Instant and total emoragequit mentality with a perfect justification. Which is why the console game effecting the 0.0 sov game ain't gonna to happen.
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[03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA
[03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Shade Millith
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:29:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Schalac
People aren't going to emo rage quit or they would of already done so considering how BoB was ousted from Delve. Or should of if they really care so much about sovereignty mechanics in EVE. "Hay guyz I clicks teh butonz and killz yrz of wrk lulz". Really. This happens and people are going to emo rage quit over a more dynamic mechanism for sovereignty? I doubt it.
When it takes control of sov away from the original game, original gaming system, and puts it on consoles? Yes, that's gonna rub people, including me, the wrong way.
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People aren't going to emo rage quit or they would of already done so considering how BoB was ousted from Delve. Or should of if they really care so much about sovereignty mechanics in EVE.
It occuring was a completely different issue. That was a problem with how Alliance mechanics work. The issue I was bringing that up, was that sov is a BIG part of 0.0 . You don't suddenly up and take it away from the original game, and make people purchase another game, and for some to purchase a several hundred dollar gaming system, JUST to help the alliance your in, keep sov of the space you live in.
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:30:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Typhado3
Originally by: Gamasutra
As for the title of the game, Petursson said that he wouldn't give away why the title was called Dust 514, but that very clever devotees of the existing EVE Online universe might be able to work things out.
Anyone able to solve this riddle? gas clouds sleeper floride stuff possibly to do with allowing cloning of land troops (how else to explain you dieing repetedly). could be reference to golden compass. anything happen on 5/14 that might explain it?
Also the more i think of it the more I want to play it. Thinking about all the cool guns and stuff I've read about in the backstory, they might just give us a few of them to play with.
Actually, I'm going to start buying all commodities like freed slaves, militants, exotic dancers, tabacco and everything else now in preparation for supporting my troops on the ground.
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HunterHH
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:32:00 -
[75]
There is no System named Dust in eve 
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Ker HarSol
Minmatar
Zip - I
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:33:00 -
[76]
Let's assume that the winter expansion for Eve will introduce new 0.0 systems.
Then it would make perfectly sense that the Dusties will be able to fight for these 0.0 systems only - with the help and for the existing Eve alliances.
Sounds pretty pure winsauce to me! Existing 0.0 is unaltered, new 0.0 systems will need Dusties. If you support the Dusties with your Eve forces then they will have better chances.
From what I hear we need MORE ties and interaction between those two elements! Mutual chat channels, shared industry, same crop/alliances - and of course same isk currency!
Woaaaaaah, this could be THE BIGGEST INNOVATION in the MMO for years now - if done right.
Awesome awesome.
(Just put in a pc client also, not only console!) |
Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:33:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Schalac
People aren't going to emo rage quit or they would of already done so considering how BoB was ousted from Delve. Or should of if they really care so much about sovereignty mechanics in EVE. "Hay guyz I clicks teh butonz and killz yrz of wrk lulz". Really. This happens and people are going to emo rage quit over a more dynamic mechanism for sovereignty? I doubt it.
Errrm, what happened to bob was an isolated event that only effected bob. If this turns out to actually have an effect on 0.0 sov then everyone at once is going to be effected with nothing to do about it but pay for mercenaries in the console game to help keep your sov up. Instant and total emoragequit mentality with a perfect justification. Which is why the console game effecting the 0.0 sov game ain't gonna to happen.
How can you even say that it only effected BoB? It can happen still to any alliance in the game right now. For whatever reason some one of power can completely destroy your work of years for no reason other than because they can. Yeah, good mechanic there to play with.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:33:00 -
[78]
*awaits all the certain threadnoughts on the subject*
*brings popcorn*
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I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:35:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Gamasutra
As for the title of the game, Petursson said that he wouldn't give away why the title was called Dust 514, but that very clever devotees of the existing EVE Online universe might be able to work things out.
They killed their Vampire MMO. What remains if you kill Vampires? Dust!
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:37:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Schalac
How can you even say that it only effected BoB? It can happen still to any alliance in the game right now. For whatever reason some one of power can completely destroy your work of years for no reason other than because they can. Yeah, good mechanic there to play with.
Because it only effected bob? Of course there is always the chance that it might happen to another alliance but after bobs harsh lesson I doubt it will be nearly as easy to pull off as everyone should be superparanoid now about access and also know to not ignore thier directors when they get all emo from lack of attention. That is a normal eve mechanic as trust is all that you have to protect you in this game. 
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[03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA
[03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Wollari
Phoenix Industries
Wicked Nation
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:39:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Wollari on 18/08/2009 11:45:23
Edited by: Wollari on 18/08/2009 11:41:54
Edited by: Wollari on 18/08/2009 11:39:46
Atm 2 Screenshots seemed to be released
Images at Businesswire
* Image 1 There's a Wyvern in the orbit position of a planet.
* Image 2
Report on Golem.de + Video including Dust 514 Trailer and Keynote from Hilmar PTtursson at the GDC 2009 in Cologne.
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Daswulf Blitzangriff
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:41:00 -
[82]
I would almost care about this new Dust 514 game, except that my xbox360 crapped out on my after owning it for a litte over a year. **** Microsoft!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:42:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Ivanna Nuke
Do I read Sov Mechanic change there 
CCP wouldn't dare do that or it would be the biggest emoragequit loss of accounts in the history of mmo's. What I am figuring though is they will tie it in with fw sytems and the low sec planets will be the ones in play in the console game. Actually I could see some interesting things that could be done with the fw contested system process if it is tied into it somehow.
Yeah, I'm seeing this as FW, not 0.0
People need to hold off on the :RAGE: until we have confirmed details.
Regardless, it is a bold and innovative move by CCP. Props for that. Let's hope they can bring it off.
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:43:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Schalac
How can you even say that it only effected BoB? It can happen still to any alliance in the game right now. For whatever reason some one of power can completely destroy your work of years for no reason other than because they can. Yeah, good mechanic there to play with.
Because it only effected bob? Of course there is always the chance that it might happen to another alliance but after bobs harsh lesson I doubt it will be nearly as easy to pull off as everyone should be superparanoid now about access and also know to not ignore thier directors when they get all emo from lack of attention. That is a normal eve mechanic as trust is all that you have to protect you in this game.
And we can all trust everyone we meet in an online video game. There are two truths in life. Money is power and everyone has a price. I'll bet you right now there are inner workings to kill off a few alliances with ISK bribes.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:46:00 -
[85]
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
Curious - I haven't yet heard of any PS3 game that allows the use of a mouse...
Care to list a few for me? (you can mail them ingame if you don't want to list them here)
Most famously UT3. I know a number of PSN games have it as well, and some have added it as an "after-market" downloadable patch (admittedly, I haven't tried any of those so I couldn't tell you how well it worked).
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:47:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Schalac
How can you even say that it only effected BoB? It can happen still to any alliance in the game right now. For whatever reason some one of power can completely destroy your work of years for no reason other than because they can. Yeah, good mechanic there to play with.
Because it only effected bob? Of course there is always the chance that it might happen to another alliance but after bobs harsh lesson I doubt it will be nearly as easy to pull off as everyone should be superparanoid now about access and also know to not ignore thier directors when they get all emo from lack of attention. That is a normal eve mechanic as trust is all that you have to protect you in this game.
And we can all trust everyone we meet in an online video game. There are two truths in life. Money is power and everyone has a price. I'll bet you right now there are inner workings to kill off a few alliances with ISK bribes.
Working as intended? Recruit better security type personalitys into your huge alliance then? I mean if you are already the ceo to thousands of players then you should have the intellect to impliment the proper measures against high level spys and the potential damage they can do, yes?
Quote:
[03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA
[03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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Dark Soldat
Caldari
The Green Machine
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:47:00 -
[87]
Looking at the screenies looks like halo 3 with an eve mod :d
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Shade Millith
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:48:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Ivanna Nuke
Do I read Sov Mechanic change there
CCP wouldn't dare do that or it would be the biggest emoragequit loss of accounts in the history of mmo's. What I am figuring though is they will tie it in with fw sytems and the low sec planets will be the ones in play in the console game. Actually I could see some interesting things that could be done with the fw contested system process if it is tied into it somehow.
Yeah, I'm seeing this as FW, not 0.0
People need to hold off on the :RAGE: until we have confirmed details.
Regardless, it is a bold and innovative move by CCP. Props for that. Let's hope they can bring it off.
My :RAGE: is coming from we've heard for months about these changes to Sov that are going to happen, I then hear about a new game (that's console only) that ties in with Sov.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:49:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Shade Millith
Originally by: Schalac
People aren't going to emo rage quit or they would of already done so considering how BoB was ousted from Delve. Or should of if they really care so much about sovereignty mechanics in EVE. "Hay guyz I clicks teh butonz and killz yrz of wrk lulz". Really. This happens and people are going to emo rage quit over a more dynamic mechanism for sovereignty? I doubt it.
When it takes control of sov away from the original game, original gaming system, and puts it on consoles? Yes, that's gonna rub people, including me, the wrong way.
Calm down, tinkerbell. Please consider the possibility that CCP aren't the complete morns you take them for.
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Vector Aeon
ALAZAIS' JIHAD CARRIER FACTORY
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:50:00 -
[90]
Okay, this does have the potential to screw up what some people believe to be vital sov mechanics in one way or another.
However, the absolutely earth-shattering step CCP could be taking, merging EVE with a futuristic combat MMO platform (thinking PlanetSide-like here)... well, as someone who has played a lot of EVE and a lot of FPS... this could be the greatest merge of gaming and game genres of all time.
My only gripe is @ the 'console only' bit... those two words guarantee the game will be dead in 5 years. That will need to be fixed, IMO. I can count on one hand how many still-active online shooters have come off consoles with fingers to spare. And, let's face it, an experimental title like this is unlikely to be the next Halo.
Don't crucially integrate EVE's slow-burning environment with the FPS console world of three-month half-lifes and rapid playerbase decay. Instead go with the Half-Life like PC FPS communities that refuse to die. People still play CS and PlanetSide as well as the Unreal games. Because, 10 years from now when PS3 and X360 are dead technology, and people are still upgrading and playing EVE on new boxes (hedging a bet this game will survive 10 more years, forgive me) that FPS integration means absolutely nothing.
I won't lie, I'm absolutely in love with this idea, but let's just tread with caution when dealing with console games and the gamers they produce- while the concept is incredible the playerbases are critical as well to success or failure- and hordes of raging 13-year-old XBL pubbies could do what many others have failed to do- make EVE unplayable.
TL:DR; Awesome potential, but console games burn out way too fast, integrating with slow-mo EVE is asking for instability in both game 'worlds'. Also consoles are fail.
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