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Eclorc	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:50:00 - [1] For a long time ambulation has been promised to the paying subscribers and fans of this game. Many have expressed the hope that such feature would eventually lead onto planet and/or station-side interaction and combat, integrated with the Eve space universe, however all threads that I read were ultimately willing to wait it out and watch it grow in small steps. I find it almost impossible to believe that CCP will make this only for consoles, not only will it cut a very large part of the manpower out of the fight, but it also lets the whole current subscriber base down very very badly indeed. By the nature of Eve the game retains patient folks willing to wait for reward, but has the wait been for nothing? I do not operate a console, nor will I when so much time, effort and money was invested in my PC systems, which still are not fully utilised by the EVE game as-is I might add. I WISH TO CALL FOR A DEFINITIVE STATEMENT FROM CCP REGARDING THIS. Will the new Dust-514 side of the EVE universe be available at launch to their customers on the PC platform? Or if not, then WHY not? Should I just give up right now in disgust? btw IF I DO cancel my sub then my stuff's already got homes waiting.
No Homo Gallente Big Heart Industries	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:50:00 - [2] YES IT WILL ONLY BE ON CONSOLE
ingenting 20th Legion Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:51:00 - [3] STOP SPAMMING THREADS ABOUT THE GAME _________________ Originally by: CCP Pann I think we've explored every option just shy of sending out ninja squads with bazookas. http://20thlegion.net
THE L0CK	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:51:00 - [4] Edited by: THE L0CK on 18/08/2009 20:51:30 I'm glad you opened up an entirely new thread to ask a question that has been answered to the nth power. Originally by: Whitehound If I think, but I do not.
JitaBum Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:52:00 - [5] Look, your own special thread
Salmeria Advanced Component Research Enterprise	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:52:00 - [6] you should have it be on all of the consoles and the PC so we can all play together. also allow players in eve to produce weapons and vehicles to be used in the game ALSO GIVE US TONS OF DEPLOYABLES!
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:52:00 - [7] Can I have your stuff?
Eclorc	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:53:00 - [8] FO, not spamming at all, this is a serious thread on a serious question. __WHY__ is this not to be available to the current SUBSCRIBER base of eve on PC ??
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:54:00 - [9] Because PC gaming is dead. With that out the way, what consoles will this be for? I hope the 360.
Iva Soreass Gentlemen Bastards	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:54:00 - [10] WHY OH WHY DELILA Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal

No Homo Gallente Big Heart Industries	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Because PC gaming is dead. So is eve.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.08.18 20:58:00 - [12] Originally by: No Homo Originally by: Irida Mershkov Because PC gaming is dead. So is eve.
Tintifish Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Because PC gaming is dead. With that out the way, what consoles will this be for? I hope the 360. PS3 and 360, according to the website that had the video on it.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Tintifish Originally by: Irida Mershkov Because PC gaming is dead. With that out the way, what consoles will this be for? I hope the 360. PS3 and 360, according to the website that had the video on it. Interesting, I wonder if they'll be crossed together for online support, now that would be cool.
Daquaris Dreams of Desolation Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:51:00 - [15] Clearly, we needed three of this same thread on the first page. Reading is hard, lets go shopping!
Sade Onyx	Posted - 2009.08.18 21:57:00 - [16] im guessing that its beecause they dont want to compete with their own product on the PC. Either that or Microsoft / Sony have slipped them a few quid.
Eclorc	Posted - 2009.08.19 08:26:00 - [17] Having now slept on this fubar console-only idea, I would like to take the time to point something out that has not yet been even considered, it seems. I have encountered a good number of players in Eve, that run missions a heck of a lot, and while they run a mission in a window on one monitor or PC, they also play another game like CoD or MoH or a similar shooter game in another window on their second monitor. So they are semi-afk doing the mission while shooting the heck out of the bunnyhopping kiddies in an FPS. BOTH activities being done on a PC. At the same time. Surely those players would more than welcome the opportunity to play an FPS on their second monitor that could be of benefit to their actual EvE gaming too? Please think on that CPP.
VonCruix	Posted - 2009.08.19 08:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Eclorc Having now slept on this fubar console-only idea, I would like to take the time to point something out that has not yet been even considered, it seems. I have encountered a good number of players in Eve, that run missions a heck of a lot, and while they run a mission in a window on one monitor or PC, they also play another game like CoD or MoH or a similar shooter game in another window on their second monitor. So they are semi-afk doing the mission while shooting the heck out of the bunnyhopping kiddies in an FPS. BOTH activities being done on a PC. At the same time. Surely those players would more than welcome the opportunity to play an FPS on their second monitor that could be of benefit to their actual EvE gaming too? Please think on that CPP. They have never said they wouldn't. Actually, I think they hinted that it is very "probable". Only time will tell. Be careful not to trip and fall while you are jumping to conclusions here. You may fall flat on your face.
AK Shaman	Posted - 2009.08.19 08:39:00 - [19] Edited by: AK Shaman on 19/08/2009 08:39:19 Originally by: No Homo YES IT WILL ONLY BE ON CONSOLE EPIC FAIL!
Michwich	Posted - 2009.08.19 08:42:00 - [20] Edited by: Michwich on 19/08/2009 08:42:15 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Because PC gaming is dead. With that out the way, what consoles will this be for? I hope the 360. Wrong, PC gaming is about to explode in the next couple of years probably around the time this bastard child gets conceived. The future is MMOFPS's. Think COD / Battlefield online. One of these games will be the WoW killer and the biggest and largest of such games will be played on PC. This will attract console playesr and noobs alike to the PC just like WoW did. What will CCP do when all the console gamers take off their training wheels to play the latest and greatest MMOFPS's on PC? Who on an aging console is going to want to play some sci fi shooter no ones heard of for some mmo no ones heard of about some end game pov stuff no one knows about that costs $15 a month? Not many Im betting. But on the bright side it will get lots of eve nerds to buy consoles. Thats about all the new market CCP will be getting as the ones they wanted will be moving to PC to play REAL mmofps's, like they did with WoW.

Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.19 08:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Eclorc FO, not spamming at all, this is a serious thread on a serious question. Yes it is. We have roughly a bazillion threads on the topic already, and we already have the answer to your question in those threads. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Alitha Maru Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2009.08.19 09:00:00 - [22] Microsoft probably has a deal with CCP that Dust will come to XBox first. This will sell consoles. In turn MS will probably invest in the development in some way, perhaps. After a while[tm] it will be released for PC as well.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Michwich Edited by: Michwich on 19/08/2009 08:42:15 Originally by: Irida Mershkov Because PC gaming is dead. With that out the way, what consoles will this be for? I hope the 360. Wrong, PC gaming is about to explode in the next couple of years probably around the time this bastard child gets conceived. The future is MMOFPS's. Think COD / Battlefield online. One of these games will be the WoW killer and the biggest and largest of such games will be played on PC. This will attract console playesr and noobs alike to the PC just like WoW did. What will CCP do when all the console gamers take off their training wheels to play the latest and greatest MMOFPS's on PC? Who on an aging console is going to want to play some sci fi shooter no ones heard of for some mmo no ones heard of about some end game pov stuff no one knows about that costs $15 a month? Not many Im betting. But on the bright side it will get lots of eve nerds to buy consoles. Thats about all the new market CCP will be getting as the ones they wanted will be moving to PC to play REAL mmofps's, like they did with WoW. You missed the joke mate, sorry.
BhallSpawn	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:22:00 - [24] NGE anyone?
VonCruix	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:23:00 - [25] Originally by: BhallSpawn NGE anyone? That card has been pulled so much, its routinely punk'd now.
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:24:00 - [26] Originally by: BhallSpawn NGE anyone? Not really, no. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
BhallSpawn	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:29:00 - [27] It was only a matter of time until CCP did a fail of this magnitude. How they expect the mature eve player which can sit at a gate for 24 hours to camp in targets in a dead end system. or POS warfare which can take hours and month long campaigns to take over a region.... To merge with a player who comes home from school and plays halo for an hour.... And to make the outcome of eve universe hinge on the attention span of said player? This has fail written all over it.
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:30:00 - [28] Originally by: BhallSpawn How they expect the mature eve player […] To merge with a player who comes home from school and plays halo for an hour.... They probably don't, which is why they're not doing that. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Zaqar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:31:00 - [29] "Fail" is a verb.
Nol Agnot Nightwatch Immortal	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:33:00 - [30] WOW THIS IS NOVEL AND IT'S IN ALL CAPS TOO, IT MUST BE SOMETHING! Delenda est achura.

BhallSpawn	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:38:00 - [31] There not? Region sov depends on the success of a console gamer. Yes. They are merging them Not in looks or gameplay, but in consequences... which is what matters in eve-online.
Geldar Wroontik Gallente Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:41:00 - [32] Originally by: BhallSpawn There not? Region sov depends on the success of a console gamer. Yes. They are merging them Not in looks or gameplay, but in consequences... which is what matters in eve-online. headdesk We do not know yet how much of an effect Dust will have on sovereignty. What we do know so far from the press release video and the interview is that it will play a role in sovereignty alongside the other mechanics to gain sovereignty. To put that in simpler terms, regional sovereignty will not rely entirely on a console gamer. If it ends up that way then I will really headdesk, but nothing of the sort has been said so far, and in fact we've been told the contrary. ----- ----- Oh so true (I wasn't sure how big images in sigs could be so I linked to it. You can thank me later.)
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:44:00 - [33] Originally by: Geldar Wroontik Originally by: BhallSpawn There not? Region sov depends on the success of a console gamer. Yes. They are merging them Not in looks or gameplay, but in consequences... which is what matters in eve-online. headdesk We do not know yet how much of an effect Dust will have on sovereignty. What we do know so far from the press release video and the interview is that it will play a role in sovereignty alongside the other mechanics to gain sovereignty. To put that in simpler terms, regional sovereignty will not rely entirely on a console gamer. If it ends up that way then I will really headdesk, but nothing of the sort has been said so far, and in fact we've been told the contrary. According to the interview with HIlmar, its as simple as this; Eve players supply DUSTers with resources who then fight to gain control of "Cells" on a planet, after X Cells planet is owned by Alliance Y, after X planets, System is owned by alliance Y and after X Systems, Const/region belongs to, alliance Y. Unless he severely oversimplified things, what else could there be to do? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
VonCruix	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:46:00 - [34] Originally by: Blane Xero Unless he severely oversimplified things, what else could there be to do? Wouldn't be the first time. Also, things change, even after they are set in stone.
Geldar Wroontik Gallente Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:47:00 - [35] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Geldar Wroontik Originally by: BhallSpawn There not? Region sov depends on the success of a console gamer. Yes. They are merging them Not in looks or gameplay, but in consequences... which is what matters in eve-online. headdesk We do not know yet how much of an effect Dust will have on sovereignty. What we do know so far from the press release video and the interview is that it will play a role in sovereignty alongside the other mechanics to gain sovereignty. To put that in simpler terms, regional sovereignty will not rely entirely on a console gamer. If it ends up that way then I will really headdesk, but nothing of the sort has been said so far, and in fact we've been told the contrary. According to the interview with HIlmar, its as simple as this; Eve players supply DUSTers with resources who then fight to gain control of "Cells" on a planet, after X Cells planet is owned by Alliance Y, after X planets, System is owned by alliance Y and after X Systems, Const/region belongs to, alliance Y. Unless he severely oversimplified things, what else could there be to do? As I recall he also said that the new mechanic would be used alongside fleet battles and POSes what-have-you to determine sovereignty. Not in so many words but the point was made. The fact is that I sincerely doubt that CCP are going to completely upend EVE mechanics and make sovereignty completely reliant on Dust. Not only would that incite an enormous firestorm from the playerbase, I can't imagine it would be easy to write out the current sovereignty code from the game without messing other stuff up. It would make far more sense logically to have the Dust sovereignty mechanic be part of a greater picture. ----- ----- Oh so true (I wasn't sure how big images in sigs could be so I linked to it. You can thank me later.)
BhallSpawn	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:47:00 - [36] go watch it again dude at the end of the video he puts up a slide thing kinda like powerpoint where an alliances have to be in tune with each other between console and PC. In other words.. if you own a region, you gotta go thru the hassle of getting another corp filled with console players coming home from middle school to fight your battles planetside for you. One on dust and the other on eve-online The mentality of someone who doesn't own a pc and only owns a console, to get that person on the same page as a hardcore PC gamer.... next to impossible... What does the console gamer care if your alliances loses space that took a month to attain and countless hours of isk grinding and ops. He just turns off his xbox... with hardly no investment in his play experience. meanwhile, the guy on the PC on the other end just lost everything he had... I'm sorry, but that has fail written all over it.
Generalissima Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:52:00 - [37] Originally by: BhallSpawn go watch it again dude at the end of the video he puts up a slide thing kinda like powerpoint where an alliances have to be in tune with each other between console and PC. In other words.. if you own a region, you gotta go thru the hassle of getting another corp filled with console players coming home from middle school to fight your battles planetside for you. One on dust and the other on eve-online The mentality of someone who doesn't own a pc and only owns a console, to get that person on the same page as a hardcore PC gamer.... next to impossible... What does the console gamer care if your alliances loses space that took a month to attain and countless hours of isk grinding and ops. He just turns off his xbox... with hardly no investment in his play experience. meanwhile, the guy on the PC on the other end just lost everything he had... I'm sorry, but that has fail written all over it. I agree. PC gamers who are used to the most extremely hardcore MMORPG ever released are simply not going to mix AT ALL with the console player. The core concept is flawed past the point of ridiculousness. They simply should have released a console game based on EVE and let it go at that. No one would be upset with that. But instead they are releasing a ground game for EVE, and not letting the EXISTING SUBSCRIBERS PLAY IT, unless we go buy another whole SYSTEM not to mention paying for another game. And I hate consoles. I hate the controllers, I hate playing something on a TV instead of a crisp monitor, etc, etc. If I liked console games I'd be playing console games. Fact of the manner is they've opened up a hornets nest here and if they want any semblance of order back they need to come clean and do so YESTERDAY. The longer this goes the more subscribers they lose. NGE, CCP, remember that?
Amarrian Victor	Posted - 2009.08.19 12:57:00 - [38] Originally by: BhallSpawn go watch it again dude at the end of the video he puts up a slide thing kinda like powerpoint where an alliances have to be in tune with each other between console and PC. In other words.. if you own a region, you gotta go thru the hassle of getting another corp filled with console players coming home from middle school to fight your battles planetside for you. One on dust and the other on eve-online The mentality of someone who doesn't own a pc and only owns a console, to get that person on the same page as a hardcore PC gamer.... next to impossible... What does the console gamer care if your alliances loses space that took a month to attain and countless hours of isk grinding and ops. He just turns off his xbox... with hardly no investment in his play experience. meanwhile, the guy on the PC on the other end just lost everything he had... I'm sorry, but that has fail written all over it. So very true. Also, what console gamer is going to pay ú10-ú12 a month to play an FPS? You can't charge us to play on the PC, yet let console players play for free. Someone at CCP really hasn't though this through.
VonCruix	Posted - 2009.08.19 13:00:00 - [39] Originally by: Amarrian Victor So very true. Also, what console gamer is going to pay ú10-ú12 a month to play an FPS? You can't charge us to play on the PC, yet let console players play for free. Someone at CCP really hasn't though this through. Where do you get the sub prices? Or are you pulling that out of your... They refused to state prices in the interview I saw.
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.19 13:01:00 - [40] Originally by: BhallSpawn There not? Region sov depends on the success of a console gamer. No. Region sov is influenced by the success of a whole bunch of console gamers. Originally by: Generalissima NGE, CCP, remember that? You mean that thing that changed every last mechanic in the entire game? They probably do, but it isn't particularly relevant. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki

CyberGh0st Minmatar Ara Veritas	Posted - 2009.08.19 13:06:00 - [41] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: No Homo Originally by: Irida Mershkov Because PC gaming is dead. So is eve. With DUST514 I predict the last bastion of mmorpg vision will crumble, and CCP will have pulled their very own NGE.
CyberGh0st Minmatar Ara Veritas	Posted - 2009.08.19 13:07:00 - [42] Originally by: VonCruix Originally by: Blane Xero Unless he severely oversimplified things, what else could there be to do? Wouldn't be the first time. Also, things change, even after they are set in stone. Yep, that is what I am hoping for. With DUST514 I predict the last bastion of mmorpg vision will crumble, and CCP will have pulled their very own NGE.
Amarrian Victor	Posted - 2009.08.19 13:09:00 - [43] Originally by: VonCruix Originally by: Amarrian Victor So very true. Also, what console gamer is going to pay ú10-ú12 a month to play an FPS? You can't charge us to play on the PC, yet let console players play for free. Someone at CCP really hasn't though this through. Where do you get the sub prices? Or are you pulling that out of your... They refused to state prices in the interview I saw. I have no idea wether they will charge or not. What I am saying is a) do you really think console gamers are going to pay a monthly fee to play an FPS game, or b), if it is free for them, then why should I pay to play Eve?
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.19 13:14:00 - [44] Originally by: Amarrian Victor b), if it is free for them, then why should I pay to play Eve? Because you are playing EVE Online and not DUST514. That was an easy question, next. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute


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