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Robert0288 Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.08.28 07:50:00 - [61] I like this idea. For drone boat pilots its the giant 'FIRE EVERYTHING' from startrek which will end up in you loosing a good portion of your DPS. I support this death or glory mechanic.
Garthran Gallente CINDER INDUSTRIALS United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.08.29 17:33:00 - [62] Anyone else have any ideas? ------------------------------------------------ Suicide drones?
Belrend Coregaul	Posted - 2009.08.30 14:25:00 - [63] Not really. I might re-sub if this idea was given. I'm a drone-pilot and I loved working my way up to using all the (not-so-nifty) drone upgrades on my med-slots and such. Only to find drone-boats are utterly boring with no real fun side to them but right-click-attack target-AFK. This would actually let me suicide one of my 5 drones and giggle during missionrunning cause it's a fun new mechanic! Or perhaps when I'm ratting in 0.0 sec and that 1.7mil bounty BS is about to blow me up, but he's almost gone too.. I could suicide all 5 and cheer as his loot would pay for all those drones used and more.
Krystal Flores	Posted - 2009.09.01 02:48:00 - [64] seeing how i lose my drones freqently anyways, why not give them 1 last boom? just needs the be worked out
Gautan Virdamot Nebula Rasa Vanguard	Posted - 2009.09.01 03:44:00 - [65] Originally by: Garthran I'm sorry, but to me saying "Why do you want suicide drones when we have missiles?" is kind of like "Why do you want ammo for hybrid weapons? We have plenty of ammo for projectile weapons!" Significantly different skillset, significantly different shipset, different ammunition planning. Projectile ammo is useless (in combat; I could just see someone trolling "You can still sell it!") to a hybrid weapon user. Similarly, missiles are useless to most drone ships. The only similarity is that they both run into things and explode. Which, by current logic, would equate motor vehicles in James Bond movies with bugs flying into your windshield on the highway. Bust out of the box, people. Give me a valid arguement. I've already shown the limited nature of the damage dealt. I've already shown how difficult this would be to use as a primary attack. Why is it so unreasonable an idea? Motive and logic is lacking, suicide attacks are the attacks of the desperate, loading up on explosives selling performance short. Why would anyone want to go into a fight like that when they can choose to go into it with fully operational drones doing their thing and staying operational? For disposable drones we have sentry drones, deploy and move away from them and if need be leave the field with them still there. That's plenty suicide drone right there. Having drones capable of crashing enemy ships for incredible damage opens up the can of suicide ships designed as fireships and who can forget the dart attack on Stargate Atlantis when 100 darts run smack into the shield, cool sure but is that the way we want things to go? One thing I would like to see is drones when they go into less than 10% armor unlocking the command of ramming the enemy. There you have your suicide drones. Now how would that be to program? I don't know. How much would people start chipping away at their own drones to achieve suicide drones artificially? I don't know. How much damage could a ramming drone be allowed to do, making it a viable choice worth the code it's written in without wrecking drone warfare as we know it? I don't know.
Krystal Flores	Posted - 2009.09.01 05:14:00 - [66] Originally by: Gautan Virdamot One thing I would like to see is drones when they go into less than 10% armor unlocking the command of ramming the enemy. well, how about they cant be used to suicide unless the are very low on health?
Garthran Gallente CINDER INDUSTRIALS United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.09.01 08:35:00 - [67] Edited by: Garthran on 01/09/2009 08:41:44 Edited by: Garthran on 01/09/2009 08:38:32 Originally by: Gautan Virdamot suicide attacks are the attacks of the desperate Yes, I believe that's the point I've been trying to make. Originally by: Gautan Virdamot loading up on explosives selling performance short. Why would anyone want to go into a fight like that when they can choose to go into it with fully operational drones doing their thing and staying operational? I am more and more thinking that you have not actually read this thread. Originally by: Gautan Virdamot For disposable drones we have sentry drones, deploy and move away from them and if need be leave the field with them still there. That's plenty suicide drone right there. That's no different than leaving behind combat drones. That's not suicide. That's just waste. Originally by: Gautan Virdamot Having drones capable of crashing enemy ships for incredible damage opens up the can of suicide ships designed as fireships and who can forget the dart attack on Stargate Atlantis when 100 darts run smack into the shield, cool sure but is that the way we want things to go? Never seen Stargate: Atlantis Movie was good, caught a couple episodes of the first series, wasn't interested. Blobs have us already, have you seen the ISD reports of the capital ship battles out in 0.0? And I'm really not sure where you're getting "incredible damage" from. A flight of 5 light drones would deal about as much damage as 10 light missiles would, versus the same target (so versus a fast-moving frigate... not much at all). Yup, definitely game breaking. As shown earlier, used as a damage-over-time mechanic this is less effective than simply using the drones in their current capacity. The ONLY advantage is the high value of the volley. Which, frankly, still isn't that high. I am not proposing new drones for the sole purpose of running into things, simply a new way to use the drones we have. No "fire ships." More "today IS a good day to die." Originally by: Gautan Virdamot One thing I would like to see is drones when they go into less than 10% armor unlocking the command of ramming the enemy. There you have your suicide drones. Now how would that be to program? I don't know. How much would people start chipping away at their own drones to achieve suicide drones artificially? I don't know. How much damage could a ramming drone be allowed to do, making it a viable choice worth the code it's written in without wrecking drone warfare as we know it? I don't know. This section is pretty much the idea presented in my thread, except for that silly 10% armor requisite. I'm fairly certain at this point that you're simply commenting on the thread title and have not read anything I've written. Good job. ------------------------------------------------ Suicide drones?
Glospey	Posted - 2009.09.02 00:19:00 - [68] I didn't read everyone's replies so I apologize if it has already been mentioned but, what's wrong with a new class of drones? They can have weapons that do crap damage (maybe a 9mm machine gun equivalent or something) but are tipped with a warhead. You can use them as secondary weapons to do a bit of supplemental damage or volley them into someone/something?
Karan SaJet	Posted - 2009.09.02 00:34:00 - [69] Yeah make them the suicide drones and make me a Flack frigate like in homworld, capable of short range anti figter fire firing vollys of aoe explosive in proximity detonation to the target. You alredy have so many drone, light, medium, heavy, sentrys, ecm, fighters, support, mining and yet you want more oh yes give us back the mines like long time ago so we can cover a gate whit mines and destroy the suicide drone pilot befor he can pull out his drones.
Glospey	Posted - 2009.09.02 00:36:00 - [70] Originally by: Karan SaJet Yeah make them the suicide drones and make me a Flack frigate like in homworld, capable of short range anti figter fire firing vollys of aoe explosive in proximity detonation to the target. You alredy have so many drone, light, medium, heavy, sentrys, ecm, fighters, support, mining and yet you want more oh yes give us back the mines like long time ago so we can cover a gate whit mines and destroy the suicide drone pilot befor he can pull out his drones. Clearly, I missed the whole constructive part of your post so let me respond: wa.
Garthran Gallente CINDER INDUSTRIALS United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.09.02 03:52:00 - [71] Originally by: Glospey Originally by: Karan SaJet Yeah make them the suicide drones and make me a Flack frigate like in homworld, capable of short range anti figter fire firing vollys of aoe explosive in proximity detonation to the target. You alredy have so many drone, light, medium, heavy, sentrys, ecm, fighters, support, mining and yet you want more oh yes give us back the mines like long time ago so we can cover a gate whit mines and destroy the suicide drone pilot befor he can pull out his drones. Clearly, I missed the whole constructive part of your post so let me respond: wa. God, that made my day. Thanks for that. And to respond to your earlier question, I'm against creating a whole new class because I don't want it to be a primary attack method. I want a unique means for drone users to get functionality similar to that of overheating weapons. Creating drones specifically for suiciding would be like making a gun that gets 5000% bonuses when overheating, but sucks when used normally. It takes a unique application of a mechanic and turns it into a necessity. ------------------------------------------------ Suicide drones?
Korvin Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.02 04:19:00 - [72] Lets make suicide highsec attacks easier, right? The idea is awfull for game balance. Imagine a suicide Thorax with neut blaster overheated (1100 volley), and now with 5 med suicidal drones (lets say 200*5 = 1000), oh! and drones did 1 volley shoot (200+). So, we can have 2300+ damage, or even 3400, if we can make 2nd shot. Exxelent idea, lol, forget it.
Garthran Gallente CINDER INDUSTRIALS United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.09.02 05:37:00 - [73] Originally by: Korvin Lets make suicide highsec attacks easier, right? The idea is awfull for game balance. Imagine a suicide Thorax with neut blaster overheated (1100 volley), and now with 5 med suicidal drones (lets say 200*5 = 1000), oh! and drones did 1 volley shoot (200+). So, we can have 2300+ damage, or even 3400, if we can make 2nd shot. Exxelent idea, lol, forget it. Highsec suicide ganks happen anyway. Adding a new gun isn't going to suddenly make them happen more often. Furthermore, the drones are going to do more damage to the target remaining active and firing while the host ship is being jammed/bbq'd by CONCORD than they would making kamikaze strikes, as illustrated by my response to Lana Torrin on the 2nd page. In the situation you presented the blasters would be doing easily 5x the damage of the drones. We should just remove blasters, they're encouraging ganks. ------------------------------------------------ Suicide drones?
CrestoftheStars Caldari Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2009.09.02 10:09:00 - [74] balance issues. and would NEVER support this idea before suicide in hi-sec is either a exploit or impossible to do. ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded
Garthran Gallente CINDER INDUSTRIALS United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.09.02 16:57:00 - [75] Originally by: CrestoftheStars balance issues. and would NEVER support this idea before suicide in hi-sec is either a exploit or impossible to do. Making suicide bombing impossible goes directly against Eve's mindset. It's HIGH security, not COMPLETE security. CONCORD still has to have time to get there. I'm not a suicide bomber myself, and I'm sure I'd be angry if one of them got me. But fact is, if someone wants to sacrifice sec status and ISK in the attempt to steal loot from someone else, CCP says that's okay. I find your (incomplete) signature quote to be amusing, considering your post: "Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both." ------------------------------------------------ Suicide drones?
Gautan Virdamot Nebula Rasa Vanguard	Posted - 2009.09.03 01:57:00 - [76] Edited by: Gautan Virdamot on 03/09/2009 01:58:28 Originally by: Garthran Edited by: Garthran on 01/09/2009 08:41:44 Edited by: Garthran on 01/09/2009 08:38:32 Originally by: Gautan Virdamot suicide attacks are the attacks of the desperate Yes, I believe that's the point I've been trying to make. Originally by: Gautan Virdamot loading up on explosives selling performance short. Why would anyone want to go into a fight like that when they can choose to go into it with fully operational drones doing their thing and staying operational? I am more and more thinking that you have not actually read this thread. Originally by: Gautan Virdamot For disposable drones we have sentry drones, deploy and move away from them and if need be leave the field with them still there. That's plenty suicide drone right there. That's no different than leaving behind combat drones. That's not suicide. That's just waste. Originally by: Gautan Virdamot Having drones capable of crashing enemy ships for incredible damage opens up the can of suicide ships designed as fireships and who can forget the dart attack on Stargate Atlantis when 100 darts run smack into the shield, cool sure but is that the way we want things to go? Never seen Stargate: Atlantis Movie was good, caught a couple episodes of the first series, wasn't interested. Blobs have us already, have you seen the ISD reports of the capital ship battles out in 0.0? And I'm really not sure where you're getting "incredible damage" from. A flight of 5 light drones would deal about as much damage as 10 light missiles would, versus the same target (so versus a fast-moving frigate... not much at all). Yup, definitely game breaking. As shown earlier, used as a damage-over-time mechanic this is less effective than simply using the drones in their current capacity. The ONLY advantage is the high value of the volley. Which, frankly, still isn't that high. I am not proposing new drones for the sole purpose of running into things, simply a new way to use the drones we have. No "fire ships." More "today IS a good day to die." Originally by: Gautan Virdamot One thing I would like to see is drones when they go into less than 10% armor unlocking the command of ramming the enemy. There you have your suicide drones. Now how would that be to program? I don't know. How much would people start chipping away at their own drones to achieve suicide drones artificially? I don't know. How much damage could a ramming drone be allowed to do, making it a viable choice worth the code it's written in without wrecking drone warfare as we know it? I don't know. This section is pretty much the idea presented in my thread, except for that silly 10% armor requisite. I'm fairly certain at this point that you're simply commenting on the thread title and have not read anything I've written. Good job. I read it, I just don't think it should be an option you start out with but rather something that develops as you get in trouble. As for drones being wasted, moving away from sentry drones they will still fire but you might know full well that you'll never be able to recover them, thus making them suicide drones, though of another fashion.
Garthran Gallente CINDER INDUSTRIALS United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.09.06 17:01:00 - [77] any new feedback? ------------------------------------------------ Suicide drones?
Dunpeal Caldari Presidential Whores Liquore di Fragola	Posted - 2009.09.06 18:00:00 - [78] To avoid or make it harder for this to be remotely used as a ganking tactic, use a health threshold, not the enemies, not the poor mindless drones, but the users ship, it IS you who should be in some bad sheets if you need to use this, so, make it something like 15% armor or below unlocks the suicide drones option. There 99% problems solved, i doubt people would turn ships into paper thin tanks just to use a 1-shot (or nearly) ability. ------------------------------------------------- My Past, my destiny... SAVE EVE-TV, make eve a bigger better universe!http://ww
Garthran Gallente CINDER INDUSTRIALS United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.09.07 03:18:00 - [79] Originally by: Dunpeal To avoid or make it harder for this to be remotely used as a ganking tactic, use a health threshold, not the enemies, not the poor mindless drones, but the users ship, it IS you who should be in some bad sheets if you need to use this, so, make it something like 15% armor or below unlocks the suicide drones option. There 99% problems solved, i doubt people would turn ships into paper thin tanks just to use a 1-shot (or nearly) ability. I've considered this as a possibility, but ultimately I think that it would be too restrictive. Overheating doesn't have a health threshold, and is used to facilitate ganking constantly. Suiciding your drones would actually be counter-productive in most high-sec suicide ganks, so I don't think any such threshold is really necessary. ------------------------------------------------ Suicide drones?
Isis Dea Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.09.07 05:09:00 - [80] To avoid spamming... You'd introduce a cooldown with your drone bandwith, not allowing you to deploy drones a a good amount of time. ___ DUST 514 - CCP's First Person Shooter: It needs your input!
Garthran Gallente CINDER INDUSTRIALS United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.09.07 05:28:00 - [81] Originally by: Isis Dea To avoid spamming... You'd introduce a cooldown with your drone bandwith, not allowing you to deploy drones a a good amount of time. I mentioned the likelyhood of this being necessary; 30-second relaunch delay, which would force the suicide DPS of a flight of drones to be less than the firing DPS. ------------------------------------------------ Suicide drones?
Garthran Gallente CINDER INDUSTRIALS United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.09.09 02:34:00 - [82] Any new thoughts? ------------------------------------------------ Suicide drones?
Garthran Gallente CINDER INDUSTRIALS United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.09.12 12:18:00 - [83] I'd love to get some more input over the weekend ------------------------------------------------ Suicide drones?
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.09.12 12:26:00 - [84] I think a better idea would be to introduce s special missiles that fly up to the target and shoot it instead of blowing up. Maybe we could call these special non-suicide missiles "drones"?
Cardiana	Posted - 2009.09.12 12:31:00 - [85] oh yes pls let them look like from stargate atlantis
Garthran Gallente CINDER INDUSTRIALS United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.09.12 18:01:00 - [86] Originally by: Gypsio III I think a better idea would be to introduce s special missiles that fly up to the target and shoot it instead of blowing up. Maybe we could call these special non-suicide missiles "drones"? Man, this topic really pulled out the trolls... ------------------------------------------------ Suicide drones?
Garthran Gallente CINDER INDUSTRIALS United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.09.16 19:57:00 - [87] I get the feeling I won't be getting much more constructive input. ------------------------------------------------ Suicide drones?
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.09.16 19:58:00 - [88] How about naming them mines and getting it done with. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 1SEP09
Garthran Gallente CINDER INDUSTRIALS United Outworlders	Posted - 2009.09.16 23:50:00 - [89] Originally by: Nova Fox How about naming them mines and getting it done with. Because... they're not mines? ------------------------------------------------ Suicide drones?
Anton Cyldragen	Posted - 2009.09.17 02:28:00 - [90] i still like this idea and hope it gets implemented.

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