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Max Tux
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Posted - 2009.08.19 13:03:00 -
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OK now i have your attention...
Comparing the Tier 1 BS's ( bandwidth / bay)
Geddon - 125/125
Typhoon - 125/175
Domi - 125/375
Scorp - 75/75
The Scorpion is the only Tier one BS that can't field a full set of Heavies.
Thinking about it no caldari ship can field heavies - which seems reasonable as they aren't the Drone Race.
It wouldn't make the DPS of the Ship much more, but would help, considering it has no damage bonii at all, any damage is going to be weak from it.
Yes i know its an Ewar ship - but if ewar ships rn't mean to do some damage - why does the curse have a drone damage bonus?
Keep the Layout/ launcher / turret slots the same, just increase the dronebay.
There are only three ships caldari ships with a 125 drone bandwidth.
Chimera
Wyvern
Leviathan.
Discuss
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.08.19 13:08:00 -
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Nothing wrong with the way it is tbh.
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Max Tux
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Posted - 2009.08.19 13:16:00 -
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well all races share some of the other races weapons - turrets will fit on any ship - each race has ships with missiles and each race bar one can field a full set of heavy drones?
seems caldari is being left out in the rain again.
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EdwardNardella
Caldari
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.19 14:36:00 -
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I think the scorp would be nice with a slight buff like this.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.08.19 14:45:00 -
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You'd have to sacrifice at least one highslot for it though.
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El Liptonez
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Posted - 2009.08.19 15:24:00 -
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I'd rather like to see it with a range bonus similar to the Rokh, would make it a very nice ship again. Even if it's only 150 DPS, but the nerf it got hit by needs some compensation. Drones are of no use for it.
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Max Tux
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Posted - 2009.08.19 15:34:00 -
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why would it loose a high slot?
it doesn't have any damage bonus - so its not like it will be pushing out stella dps.
larger drone bay will continue the pattern with the other ships, and give caldari one non cap capable of fielding heavies.
Range bonus would mean giving it another bonus which would be stupid - keep bonii as they are, makes more sense.
it seems tier 1 BS's are very utility capable - think the scorp should be as well with the drone bay.
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Kalia Masaer
Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2009.08.20 03:21:00 -
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Currently the Scorpion is insuperior to every other Tier 1 BS except when used for it's specific ewar role in its specific role the scorpion is unmatched by the other Tier 1 BS. Meet a plated Ewar scorp part of an RR fleet band it obvious why it is considered a significant threat and sits high on the target priority list.
I do not fly caldari BS's but I do have to say that many of the new players I meet who get into the the Scorpion are highly disapointed because when it comes to a general usage it is a piece of crap compared to every other Tier 1 BS.
I personally feel a tier of Ewar BS's should be created on the pattern of the scorpion, and the caldari should be given a new Tier 1 utility BS to replace the scorpion.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.20 04:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Kalia Masaer
Currently the Scorpion is insuperior to every other Tier 1 BS except when used for it's specific ewar role in its specific role the scorpion is unmatched by the other Tier 1 BS. Meet a plated Ewar scorp part of an RR fleet band it obvious why it is considered a significant threat and sits high on the target priority list.
I do not fly caldari BS's but I do have to say that many of the new players I meet who get into the the Scorpion are highly disapointed because when it comes to a general usage it is a piece of crap compared to every other Tier 1 BS.
I personally feel a tier of Ewar BS's should be created on the pattern of the scorpion, and the caldari should be given a new Tier 1 utility BS to replace the scorpion.
Insuperior? Seriously? LOL.
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Inveniam viam aut faciam.
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Kalia Masaer
Rosa Castellum
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Posted - 2009.08.20 06:08:00 -
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Yes, "insuperior" in any role other than an Ewar role. It is sort of a one trick pony though it does that trick exceedingly well.
Scorpion second most expensive Tier 1 BS to construct, tops out around 620 DPS using torps if you want a reasonable 350 DPS tank that lasts 5m.
Armageddon second cheapest Tier 1 BS does 690 DPS with a 422 DPS perma tank.
At short range the Domi only slightly out performs the Scorp in DPS but has a 429 DPS tank but once that range exceeds 20km the domi out perfoms the scorp in DPS by well over 130 DPS.
In short all other Tier 1 BS's are truely viable PvE ships and can hand out better gank in PvP. So as long as you fit the scorp as an Ewar platform for PvP it rocks.Might be handy against sleepers too.
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Garthran
Gallente
CINDER INDUSTRIALS
United Outworlders
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:17:00 -
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The word you're looking for is inferior. I'm going to be optimistic and blame the mistake on unfamiliarity with English.
Seriously, though, Caldari aren't drone people. And all that moaning about the tier 1 Caldari BS being inferior for running missions... I have to just say "STFU buy a raven."
I like my Gallente mission ships. But I'm under no illusions that Raven hulls aren't the best mission ships out there. |
Max Tux
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Garthran
The word you're looking for is inferior. I'm going to be optimistic and blame the mistake on unfamiliarity with English.
Seriously, though, Caldari aren't drone people. And all that moaning about the tier 1 Caldari BS being inferior for running missions... I have to just say "STFU buy a raven."
I like my Gallente mission ships. But I'm under no illusions that Raven hulls aren't the best mission ships out there.
i'm not saying they are drone people - that is proved by only one sub cap having a 125 drone bay ( state issue raven i think has... if not its zero)
All the other races have a 125 drone bay on their tier one BS - does that make them all drone races?
I'm also not saying give it drone bonii - that would be stupid, all i'm asking is that it get the same thing every tier one battleship has, a 125 drone bandwidth and bay.
This isn't a direct damage boost as such - as it actually means we have more to train :P.
This will let people use either a full rack of heavies or a combination of heavies / lights/mediums.
I think this would be a good step to making the scorpion a better battleship, without overpowering it. |
HairClubForMen
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:42:00 -
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/signed
Scorp needs a bit of love.
You can't tank and ecm it, EHP its one of the lowest base BS out there. You either have to give up jammers for shield buffers, or give up ecm strength for armor tank/buffer. |
Max Tux
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Posted - 2009.08.20 23:37:00 -
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Bump, noone against it?
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Mr Reason
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Posted - 2009.08.20 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Reason on 20/08/2009 23:59:50
Minnie isn't the drone race either, yet the phoon gets 125 m3 so the "caldari doesn't do drones" is right out of the window. Lets face it, if you don't use it in a full ECM support role it's tank is crap, it's dps is also crap. I see no issues with the scorp getting a bigger dronebay although it could then become a solo pimp mobile.
Caldari compared to other races has less solo capable ships, so throwing them a bone and boosting the scorp a tad doesn't seem like a problem to me. Especially as there's no real reason to bring otu a scorp otherwise. Give them somthing useful in small gang/solo warfare, other than being primary in any fleet fight.
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General Paul
League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2009.08.21 00:11:00 -
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scorpion is fine as it is. It performs its role, it isn't a solo ship.
And I have some experience if flying it, it works.
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Markus Reese
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.21 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: General Paul
scorpion is fine as it is. It performs its role, it isn't a solo ship.
And I have some experience if flying it, it works.
It work's exceptionally well, unless you try fitting it as a gunboat! ^/^
And actually, with it's amount of mids/lows, it can have a very impressive tank if you fit it for more support. I ran a heavy tank, energy neut/smartbomb setup. Only mid ecm was the ecm burst as the ecm bonuses apply to it. You run that, flanked on either side by support battleships, is awesome. You clear any drones on them, break scrammers should you need to warp, and I tell ya, nothing kills a speed tanking ship faster than when you nuke it's cap!
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Max Tux
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Posted - 2009.08.21 12:25:00 -
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which other tier 1's only work well doing a very specific role? this will help with the universalness of the scorp and maybe make it more usefull than just for a specific role
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Verlokiraptor
All Around Research Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.21 13:06:00 -
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I support this if and only if it transfers over to the rattlesnake. Or even if it affects the rattlesnake but not the scorpion.
As you've clearly realised anyway the reason it doesn't have 125Mb/s is because Caldari completely fail at drones.
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Max Tux
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Posted - 2009.08.22 17:35:00 -
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i think it should go to both the scorp and the snake. not sure about the widow though....ideas?
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Rawbin Hood
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.08.26 09:42:00 -
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i don't see a problem with it, when you look at all classes
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Haxfar Portlaind
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Haxfar Portlaind on 26/08/2009 11:22:54
As other have said it does fine... Want a heavy hitter? don't use Tier 1 BS's.
And if you compare Caldari ship with others, you should be able to notice that where Amarr is Laser/tank, Caldari ship specialize in many ways, just think on the cruisers.
Besides, why do you want a tank, when the enemy can't hit you anyways? 
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:57:00 -
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Scoprion is fastest battleship class vessel to get into fleet engagement ranges ie 150+ km.
However granting it ability to field 5 heavies might make it a bit too attractive for RR short - medium range gangs as we all know that every scorpion out there would be then running around with 5 heavy armor rep drones.
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