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Mussaschi
No Wise Guy's Stellar Economy Experts
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:06:00 -
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When I started with eve some years ago, eve was almost perfect, lot's of clear sky, an extremely helpful community, and this wild mix of things you could do according to your mood. Going into low and 0.0 if you need some adrenalin to kick in, missions if you had to fill up an hour of free time, mining if you wanted to do something in the middle of something else. It was this heritage from elite that got me. If I look at eve now, the picture becomes quite sad. Technically eve get's better and better. The visuals are still stunning, and a lot of the stuff that was annoying in the past have been dealt with. Than eve lost something important to me. Do you remember this video the butterfly effect? GǣA group of miners calling for help in local ...Gǥ. Well truth is, the miners would be probably ganked before they even finished typing, not mentioning flying there, locking the enemies GǪ 0.0 has become so small that you can not dream of getting a piece of that pie, unless you play but monkey for a big alliance. WH space is quite ok at the moment, but looking at the decisions before I am sure that they will find a way to nerve them too. The forums are filled with people as helpful as rattlesnakes and with about the same attitude or IQ, and if I check the posts in my alliance I see that they have been robbed the 3rd time now, by trusted long time members. The community degraded and it seems that the developers at CCP share their vision of death match unlimited. Not that death match unlimited has to be a bad game, but it will not be the game I dedicate a lot of my time, and I guess it would be WOT in this case for me. From what I see future eve will be played only by full time eve professionals, gankers and masochists. Since none of that apply to me, guess I will let my subscription run out. I am sure eve will not die, and I applaud the CCP game designers that stick to their vision of the game to a point, that it even risks their jobs (or at least the jobs of some more colleagues). So good luck to all who decide to stay. Go down fighting. Hope that I will find reason again to revisit eve. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
107
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:07:00 -
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Didn't Read If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Angel Lust
Vikinghall
52
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:10:00 -
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Mussaschi wrote:When I started with eve some years ago, eve was almost perfect, lot's of clear sky, an extremely helpful community, and this wild mix of things you could do according to your mood. Going into low and 0.0 if you need some adrenalin to kick in, missions if you had to fill up an hour of free time, mining if you wanted to do something in the middle of something else. It was this heritage from elite that got me. If I look at eve now, the picture becomes quite sad. Technically eve get's better and better. The visuals are still stunning, and a lot of the stuff that was annoying in the past have been dealt with. Than eve lost something important to me. Do you remember this video the butterfly effect? GǣA group of miners calling for help in local ...Gǥ. Well truth is, the miners would be probably ganked before they even finished typing, not mentioning flying there, locking the enemies GǪ 0.0 has become so small that you can not dream of getting a piece of that pie, unless you play but monkey for a big alliance. WH space is quite ok at the moment, but looking at the decisions before I am sure that they will find a way to nerve them too. The forums are filled with people as helpful as rattlesnakes and with about the same attitude or IQ, and if I check the posts in my alliance I see that they have been robbed the 3rd time now, by trusted long time members. The community degraded and it seems that the developers at CCP share their vision of death match unlimited. Not that death match unlimited has to be a bad game, but it will not be the game I dedicate a lot of my time, and I guess it would be WOT in this case for me. From what I see future eve will be played only by full time eve professionals, gankers and masochists. Since none of that apply to me, guess I will let my subscription run out. I am sure eve will not die, and I applaud the CCP game designers that stick to their vision of the game to a point, that it even risks their jobs (or at least the jobs of some more colleagues). So good luck to all who decide to stay. Go down fighting. Hope that I will find reason again to revisit eve.
This. +1
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
461
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:17:00 -
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I could always look after your stuff and give what didn't blow up back to you if and when you return. |
Roisin Saoirse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:23:00 -
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Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. I believe it's firmly related to the degratation of internet 'culture' too - when I started playing MMOs a decade ago, most of the people I encountered were friendly, helpful and it really felt like the players were in a sense bonded with a common interest (the game we were playing).
Nowadays the majority of online gamers are just out there for themselves and their e-peen, with their priorities on getting the best loot and the most kills on a killboard regardless of the method, very much like the cheating FPS kiddies that ruin everyone else's game with their hacks just so they get a ridiculously high K/D ratio.
EVE attracts these kinds of people because they've heard that activities that are anathema to almost every other game are not only valid in EVE, but encouraged. This also drives out the people who find these activities tasteless and repulsive. So we're left with the sewer of the gaming public in EVE, okay there are still some decent people playing but they are becoming an endangered species.
The solution? No idea. I hope EVE lasts a long time, since it tends to keep a lot of the mouthbreathers out of other games. |
Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Intrepid Crossing
124
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:29:00 -
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In before butthurt.........wait? I speak only for myself and my corp. My views are not representative of my alliance. |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
90
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:29:00 -
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See you on WOT battlefield. What Tier are you at now OP? |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1793
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:31:00 -
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The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly. |
Tenchi Sal
Dust Bunnies 514
56
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:37:00 -
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Roisin Saoirse wrote:Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. I believe it's firmly related to the degratation of internet 'culture' too - when I started playing MMOs a decade ago, most of the people I encountered were friendly, helpful and it really felt like the players were in a sense bonded with a common interest (the game we were playing).
Nowadays the majority of online gamers are just out there for themselves and their e-peen, with their priorities on getting the best loot and the most kills on a killboard regardless of the method, very much like the cheating FPS kiddies that ruin everyone else's game with their hacks just so they get a ridiculously high K/D ratio.
EVE attracts these kinds of people because they've heard that activities that are anathema to almost every other game are not only valid in EVE, but encouraged. This also drives out the people who find these activities tasteless and repulsive. So we're left with the sewer of the gaming public in EVE, okay there are still some decent people playing but they are becoming an endangered species.
The solution? No idea. I hope EVE lasts a long time, since it tends to keep a lot of the mouthbreathers out of other games.
Roisin is right. Its a really bad trend that has been going on now for you for over half a decade now. I started playing mmos in 99 with Everquest, The community has completely changed since then, not just mmos but the internet in general. The net has become one giant troll fest filled with the same ass hats who used to make fun of you being on the internet. the massive amount of garbage people try to sell you doesn't help either. Its sad to say but its only natural for garbage to spill into the mmo genre. Its the same across all mmos now. EVE is no different.
Unfortunately this is what the internet has changed into. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
461
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:38:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly.
Your avatar needs a chaplin. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4002
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:42:00 -
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People were whining about the same stuff in 2007 Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
185
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:42:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly.
Bull. Fitting a hulk properly doesn't help against determined gankers. You could completely outlaw ganking from high sec and not remove the risk from anybody's Eve experience. There is plenty of risk in Eve. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:43:00 -
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sounds like we already did |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
964
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:44:00 -
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Mussaschi wrote:So good luck to all who decide to stay. Go down fighting. Hope that I will find reason again to revisit eve. It's not certain that they'll "go down" unless you're thinking of something else.... but -
You should join the effort, that helps. Your unsubbing thread, less so. That's the reality of it. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1005
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:44:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly. Your avatar needs a chaplin.
And two little vertical moustaches. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:44:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly. Bull. Fitting a hulk properly doesn't help against determined gankers. You could completely outlaw ganking from high sec and not remove the risk from anybody's Eve experience. There is plenty of risk in Eve. nothing in this game should make you invulnerable to a determined group |
Julii Hakaari
Hakaari Inc.
14
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:49:00 -
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Do you live under the delusion that anyone here actually cares about what you read or didn't read? You're not that interesting. Get over yourself.
OP: Yes, the attitude in the forums are sickening, but I guarantee this isn't equivalent to all gamer-communities. I am a long-term player of Entropia Universe, and the community on their forums, as well as in-game, is touching close to humanity as it should be.
EVE-players have a sickening, teenage attitude because this is what promotes the game: "it's harsh, cold, blah-blah-blah," so just because I can I have given money to newbies in chat to prove them wrong, because they do make me sick, these severely obese creatures whom calls themselves "tough" and "cold". "Completely un-phased? You think I'm totally lacking in any phasing? The idea that I'm anything less than half-phased I actually find offensive. It greatly phases me." |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
627
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:50:00 -
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I am perfectly serious when I say that we can indeed take that. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Darth Kilth
Clan Exiled Legends
66
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:50:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly. Oh common, we all know that the only people here who don't want any risk are the suicide gankers, imagine if there where actual repercussion for such acts, unthinkable! |
Kno Bodeesbitch
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:50:00 -
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The perfect response that succinctly sums up the OP's point.
The Eve culture has degraded.
This used to be a game that prided itself on having the smartest, craftiest and dedicated players around.
It is now about the "lulz"...
It seems that many of the top tier players have left, leaving only the bottom feeders to populate the game and its forums.
There are a few notables left, The Mitani is actually one of them. He has found the recipe for staying relevant: Harnessing the stupidity and short attention span of the lowest common denominator.
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Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
90
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:59:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly.
James, come play WOT with us. It's where real mens PvP. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1794
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:02:00 -
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Kno Bodeesbitch wrote:There are a few notables left, The Mitani is actually one of them. He has found the recipe for staying relevant: Harnessing the stupidity and short attention span of the lowest common denominator. I can't tell if this post is intended to defend the highsec miners or attack them... |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
659
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:06:00 -
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Kno Bodeesbitch wrote:The perfect response that succinctly sums up the OP's point. The Eve culture has degraded. This used to be a game that prided itself on having the smartest, craftiest and dedicated players around. It is now about the "lulz"... It seems that many of the top tier players have left, leaving only the bottom feeders to populate the game and its forums. There are a few notables left, The Mitani is actually one of them. He has found the recipe for staying relevant: Harnessing the stupidity and short attention span of the lowest common denominator.
That's actually not a bad analysis. I agree, up to a point, that this is happening.
The fact that they keep saying that people love eve and for instance fanfest, but can't be bothered to play the actual game, is in itself a sign that not all is well in new Eden.
This being said, with the right group op people fun can still be had, and Goonswarms is just one mention in a long list of corps who thought they "owned eve". - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
964
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:12:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Kno Bodeesbitch wrote:There are a few notables left, The Mitani is actually one of them. He has found the recipe for staying relevant: Harnessing the stupidity and short attention span of the lowest common denominator. I can't tell if this post is intended to defend the highsec miners or attack them... Wait, he wasn't referring to gankers? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Par'Gellen
87
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:12:00 -
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Mussaschi wrote:When I started with eve some years ago, eve was almost perfect, lot's of clear sky, an extremely helpful community, and this wild mix of things you could do according to your mood. Going into low and 0.0 if you need some adrenalin to kick in, missions if you had to fill up an hour of free time, mining if you wanted to do something in the middle of something else. It was this heritage from elite that got me. If I look at eve now, the picture becomes quite sad. Technically eve get's better and better. The visuals are still stunning, and a lot of the stuff that was annoying in the past have been dealt with. Than eve lost something important to me. Do you remember this video the butterfly effect? GǣA group of miners calling for help in local ...Gǥ. Well truth is, the miners would be probably ganked before they even finished typing, not mentioning flying there, locking the enemies GǪ 0.0 has become so small that you can not dream of getting a piece of that pie, unless you play but monkey for a big alliance. WH space is quite ok at the moment, but looking at the decisions before I am sure that they will find a way to nerve them too. The forums are filled with people as helpful as rattlesnakes and with about the same attitude or IQ, and if I check the posts in my alliance I see that they have been robbed the 3rd time now, by trusted long time members. The community degraded and it seems that the developers at CCP share their vision of death match unlimited. Not that death match unlimited has to be a bad game, but it will not be the game I dedicate a lot of my time, and I guess it would be WOT in this case for me. From what I see future eve will be played only by full time eve professionals, gankers and masochists. Since none of that apply to me, guess I will let my subscription run out. I am sure eve will not die, and I applaud the CCP game designers that stick to their vision of the game to a point, that it even risks their jobs (or at least the jobs of some more colleagues). So good luck to all who decide to stay. Go down fighting. Hope that I will find reason again to revisit eve. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Mussaschi wrote:CCP game designers that stick to their vision of the game to a point, that it even risks their jobs (or at least the jobs of some more colleagues). I don't think they care, but you said it well. +1 CCP, I understand that "To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
846
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:32:00 -
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You guys could just post a roster instead of making us read the same, tired, one-liners. Posts like this OP attract the same mentally challenged every time. Proof of the challenged part? Read what they say post to post. Same thing every time. What's funny is, they don't remember they already said it. It's a new thought in their minds every time!
What they also fail to realize; we see them IRL every day. Ain't it funny how they all seem to look the same? I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Par'Gellen
88
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:38:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:You guys could just post a roster instead of making us read the same, tired, one-liners. Posts like this OP attract the same mentally challenged every time. Proof of the challenged part? Read what they say post to post. Same thing every time. What's funny is, they don't remember they already said it. It's a new thought in their minds every time!
What they also fail to realize; we see them IRL every day. Ain't it funny how they all seem to look the same? Isn't it odd how this post made no sense at all? CCP, I understand that "To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
179
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Posted - 2012.05.30 18:06:00 -
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Mussaschi wrote:When I started with eve some years ago, eve was almost perfect, lot's of clear sky, an extremely helpful community, and this wild mix of things you could do according to your mood. Going into low and 0.0 if you need some adrenalin to kick in, missions if you had to fill up an hour of free time, mining if you wanted to do something in the middle of something else. It was this heritage from elite that got me. If I look at eve now, the picture becomes quite sad. Technically eve get's better and better. The visuals are still stunning, and a lot of the stuff that was annoying in the past have been dealt with. Than eve lost something important to me. Do you remember this video the butterfly effect? GǣA group of miners calling for help in local ...Gǥ. Well truth is, the miners would be probably ganked before they even finished typing, not mentioning flying there, locking the enemies GǪ 0.0 has become so small that you can not dream of getting a piece of that pie, unless you play but monkey for a big alliance. WH space is quite ok at the moment, but looking at the decisions before I am sure that they will find a way to nerve them too. The forums are filled with people as helpful as rattlesnakes and with about the same attitude or IQ, and if I check the posts in my alliance I see that they have been robbed the 3rd time now, by trusted long time members. The community degraded and it seems that the developers at CCP share their vision of death match unlimited. Not that death match unlimited has to be a bad game, but it will not be the game I dedicate a lot of my time, and I guess it would be WOT in this case for me. From what I see future eve will be played only by full time eve professionals, gankers and masochists. Since none of that apply to me, guess I will let my subscription run out. I am sure eve will not die, and I applaud the CCP game designers that stick to their vision of the game to a point, that it even risks their jobs (or at least the jobs of some more colleagues). So good luck to all who decide to stay. Go down fighting. Hope that I will find reason again to revisit eve.
"Come a day there won't be room for naughty men like us to slip about at all. This job goes south, there well may not be another. So here is us, on the raggedy edge. Don't push me, and I won't push you." [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Pisov viet
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.05.30 18:08:00 -
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That's real fuckin neato, but I joined the game because of the cuthroats storys about it. I dont care how you're missing the good old days of collective boringne-ZzzzZZzzzZZzzzzzzz |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1334
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Posted - 2012.05.30 18:09:00 -
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you know WOT is full of people who have played the game longer and or paid more than you to be better than you
are you sure that's really a step up? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
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Romar Agent
Ishukone Regional Headquarters
46
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Posted - 2012.05.30 18:12:00 -
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James 315 wrote:... because they can't fit a hulk properly. *Sigh*
Do not listen to this man.
There is no proper way to fit a hulk for any other role than efficient mining.
You do not tank suicide gankers.
You avoid them, or shrug them off. |
Mussaschi
No Wise Guy's Stellar Economy Experts
26
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:15:00 -
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Pisov viet wrote:That's real fuckin neato, but I joined the game because of the cuthroats storys about it. I dont care how you're missing the good old days of collective boringne-ZzzzZZzzzZZzzzzzzz
Congratulation, it seems that the lead developers will evolve this game specially to fulfil your needs for cutting throats, even from the back if required. This is your game now. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
115
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:27:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly. Bull. Fitting a hulk properly doesn't help against determined gankers. You could completely outlaw ganking from high sec and not remove the risk from anybody's Eve experience. There is plenty of risk in Eve.
They key word is determined. You can say the some thing about miners. A determined miner is almost impossible to gank. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
498
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:34:00 -
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Darth Kilth wrote:James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly. Oh common, we all know that the only people here who don't want any risk are the suicide gankers, imagine if there where actual repercussion for such acts, unthinkable! It is only unthinkable because you let it. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
847
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Posted - 2012.05.31 11:43:00 -
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Mussaschi wrote:When I started with eve some years ago, eve was almost perfect, lot's of clear sky, an extremely helpful community, and this wild mix of things you could do according to your mood. Going into low and 0.0 if you need some adrenalin to kick in, missions if you had to fill up an hour of free time, mining if you wanted to do something in the middle of something else. It was this heritage from elite that got me. If I look at eve now, the picture becomes quite sad. Technically eve get's better and better. The visuals are still stunning, and a lot of the stuff that was annoying in the past have been dealt with. Than eve lost something important to me. Do you remember this video the butterfly effect? GǣA group of miners calling for help in local ...Gǥ. Well truth is, the miners would be probably ganked before they even finished typing, not mentioning flying there, locking the enemies GǪ 0.0 has become so small that you can not dream of getting a piece of that pie, unless you play but monkey for a big alliance. WH space is quite ok at the moment, but looking at the decisions before I am sure that they will find a way to nerve them too.
My experiences differ greatly from yours. I constantly meet cool people in space, some come and bring a good fight, some I can have a laugh with. Lowsec is sparsely populated, but I like the atmosphere there. WH-community is incredibly well developed, excellent players with mutual respect. W-space in general is absolutely wonderful, and there are changes planned for it, except winter expansion will revamp POSes, which will have a huge positive impact for people living only out of towers.
Quote:The forums are filled with people as helpful as rattlesnakes and with about the same attitude or IQ, and if I check the posts in my alliance I see that they have been robbed the 3rd time now, by trusted long time members. The community degraded and it seems that the developers at CCP share their vision of death match unlimited.
I dare you to take a look at other forum sections than GD. People ask questions, get legit answers, people discuss and help each others. GD has in fact degraded into a whinefest catering to trolls, I think banning NPC corp people from posting here would do good. Anyway it's not a good indicator of the community.
Corp theft has always been a big part of EVE afaik.
Quote:Not that death match unlimited has to be a bad game, but it will not be the game I dedicate a lot of my time, and I guess it would be WOT in this case for me. From what I see future eve will be played only by full time eve professionals, gankers and masochists. Since none of that apply to me, guess I will let my subscription run out. I am sure eve will not die, and I applaud the CCP game designers that stick to their vision of the game to a point, that it even risks their jobs (or at least the jobs of some more colleagues). So good luck to all who decide to stay. Go down fighting. Hope that I will find reason again to revisit eve.
War, conflict and combat is the heart of this game, it's the only factor generating consumption- making resource gathering, production, trade and piratism etc possible. CCP's latest vision is to change the mechanics in 0.0 so that the fighting happens over resources again, and that smaller entities have a chance in there. They are aware of the current imbalances, and working on them.
Meanwhile, claim yourself a wormhole system and enjoy an extremely exciting and rewarding environment, healthy community and awesome fights Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
291
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:13:00 -
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It it sad but very true.
I know there a few vet's still out there that after they pop your ship will hang around and tell you what you did wrong or won't be totall a$$ about it. But sadly even those players are walking away tired of the endless rhetoric.
Best of luck to you, by the way Mech Warrior Online should be out come the end of summer. CCP set to change build Requirements for Exhumers |
Gealbhan
Used Shuttle Sales Representative
158
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:37:00 -
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EvE is a classic case of read the packet before you buy. There's no use firing up a subscription then whining because the game is not going the way YOU want it to.
I hate to say it but - Adapt or Quit. They're your only real choices and everything else is an illusion.
EvE Online is not for everyone and there is no shame in saying "ok this game is not for me anymore" and letting your sub go. It's your money - spend it how you like. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
291
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:42:00 -
[38] - Quote
Gealbhan wrote:EvE is a classic case of read the packet before you buy. There's no use firing up a subscription then whining because the game is not going the way YOU want it to.
I hate to say it but - Adapt or Quit. They're your only real choices and everything else is an illusion.
EvE Online is not for everyone and there is no shame in saying "ok this game is not for me anymore" and letting your sub go. It's your money - spend it how you like.
By the way it has nothing to do with adapt or quit. (another phrase that has been used so many times it is completely meaningless.) EVE mechanics really haven't changed all that much sense day one. It is the players that have changed.
CCP set to change build Requirements for Exhumers |
Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
166
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:43:00 -
[39] - Quote
Mussaschi wrote:0.0 has become so small that you can not dream of getting a piece of that pie, unless you play but monkey for a big alliance.
Blame supercapital proliferation. Even a big alliance can't take space when the sov system requires endless structure grinding. I mean TEST got helicoptor-dicked by Raiden's superfleet when we tried to invade Vale of the Silent, and we're big filthy blobbers.
Right now though sov is just a novelty, it doesn't bring any real riches, for that everyone fights over tech (and neo) moons |
Mme Pinkerton
5
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:45:00 -
[40] - Quote
This thread touches upon an important point that gets neglected in most of the current discussions:
The problem that miners currently complain about is primarily a problem of culture, not a problem of game mechanics. However, if culture does not improve it will inevitably be "fixed" by way of game mechanics (which would be to the detriment of everyone, I think).
Activities like suicide ganking, scamming, corp theft, ... add a lot to the game as long as only a small minority actively pursues them. In that case they add some spice to an otherwise bland high-sec experience without seriously impacting the game overall.
However, when/once these activities become mainstream they will quickly stop being an enhancement to the game and become a detriment.
I think most of us know a similar problem from other pvp games - imbalances in classes/builds are generally unproblematic and can often be a boon as long as they are not widely exploited. But once every drooling idiot starts to use the "overpowered" FotM the game becomes unplayable until the next patch (some games have draft/ban systems that can act as a short-term bandaid in such cases).
Imagine you are a corporation CEO in EVE - one corp theft every few months should generally not be a huge problem. Sure it does hurt and it will make you reevaluate the procedures you had put in place to limit the impact of such thefts - but it should not put the continued existence of your corporation into question as long as you have managed it well. In fact, you might see such events as one opportunity to set yourself apart from less competent CEOs (who will get hit that much harder). The game rules that allow corp theft work very well in this case - the thief can feel smug about the theft, the corpmembers can feel morally superior to the thief and the CEO can live his dream of being a corp CEO. ^^
Now imagine that instead of one corp theft every few months, you have a corp theft every few days - regardless of whether there is anything worth stealing or not. Free T1 frigates and some stashes of cheap modules? why not steal it when you can? All material losses aside the morale among the honest member of your corp will drop really fast in such a case - suspicion and paranoia will take over. In that case you can either lock down everything - don't hand out any assets, do extensive background checks on new recruits, ... - or shut down the corporation. In both cases not only do your corpmates and you suffer, all budding corpthieves in the EVE universe suffer as well as there will be one less target for them.
Now, according to regular predator/prey dynamics we would expect that at some point there aren't any corporations left that the thieves could steal from and the number of predators will start dropping. But this point of view omits that we are talking about a real-life business that needs continued cashflow to operate and has a reputation to maintain (which is not easily restored once it has been destroyed). The game master has to intervene long before the "natural" return towards equilibrium would start and when appeals to reason "Can't you see that you are hurting yourself by overfarming your prey?" prove to be fruitless he can only respond by changing the rules.
There is no black/white distinction between "good" and "bad" game mechanics - strict application of the categorical imperative does (in my experience) generally not result in games that are fun to play, imbalances and small exploits are perfectly fine as long their use doesn't spiral out of control - and whether that happens or not is very much a question of community culture. Do you have gamers who just want to pwn using the latest fotm or do you have gamers who share some concern about the state of the game as a whole?
tl;dr suicide ganking, corp thefts, scams, ... are great for EVE - as long as only a few people engage in these activities. Once they become popular these "good" game mechanics become problematic and CCP would be forced to change them (for business reasons) long before any natural return towards equilibrium could set in - ultimately reducing the scope of the sandbox to the detriment of everyone.
(Alliance Tournament and FanFest are two very recent examples of relatively unregulated events being forced towards blandness because some people had difficulties drawing a line between what is possible and what is good for the community) now back under old managemet. thanks to RAW who made this possible and VV who kept nagging me about it. |
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
291
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:50:00 -
[41] - Quote
Now that I think about it. EVE appears to filled with dogs that have been beat.
They will snap at anything. Just a bunch of angry people in game now, all you can do is feel sorry for them.
CCP set to change build Requirements for Exhumers |
Elena Melkan
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
31
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Posted - 2012.05.31 12:58:00 -
[42] - Quote
If you look at the General Discussion and threads where people complain about something, you can pretty soon find "not-so-nice" replies in those threads. But a good rule of a thumb is, that these forums don't represent the whole EVE community. There are plenty of people who have never logged into forums, or bother posting in here. That's why claiming that EVE has become less friendly community is probably a bit exaggerated point of view. Internet culture changes, as more and more people delve into the mysteries of social media and gaming: in internet you are pretty much anonymous, free to write anything you would even think of without necessarily getting any consequences which could reflect into your real life.
Most of the time newbie-forums here are quite helpful. You could add some other forum parts in this category of rather friendly forums, those places where you go to ask or share your thoughts about the gameplay (market and mission forums for example), rather than thoughts about the community or recent events. But General Discussion, where you just posted your thread, hardly is friendly or helpful. Perhaps it's because people have different opinions and when they crash somewhere, the result can be pretty harsh. |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
250
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Posted - 2012.05.31 13:05:00 -
[43] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:You guys could just post a roster instead of making us read the same, tired, one-liners. Posts like this OP attract the same mentally challenged every time. Proof of the challenged part? Read what they say post to post. Same thing every time. What's funny is, they don't remember they already said it. It's a new thought in their minds every time!
What they also fail to realize; we see them IRL every day. Ain't it funny how they all seem to look the same?
Thanks for saying something completely different to the other bilge that you normally spew here on the forums...oh wait If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
275
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Posted - 2012.05.31 13:12:00 -
[44] - Quote
+1 for the OP, while I wont be un subbing in the vain hope that those times return again, I do miss those days.
Tal
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Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
151
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Posted - 2012.05.31 13:18:00 -
[45] - Quote
Good post, CCP has let casual and solo gameplay rot, yet they are a huge market.
EDIT: came here expecting something about firefly. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
824
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Posted - 2012.05.31 13:19:00 -
[46] - Quote
I play both EVE and Tanks and IMHO they're very complementary. I love being able to login and get fair balanced fights with instant gratification.
But if someone in a match pisses you off, you can't just pitch up in his home system and gank him; you can't make a profit buying lots of Type 59s for cheap and reselling them for an absurd markup, you can't manipulate the market in consumables, there's no out of match intelligence or spying or subterfuge or backstabbing, which is what the half the fun in EVE is about. It's the lead ups to the confrontations that are fun, not trying to fight the enemy 15 vs 15 with two balanced teams.
The freedom and opportunity are what sets EVE apart
Best of luck in Tanks though, it's tons of fun.
(My condolences if you ever have to grind through PzKpfw 38 nA though) |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
276
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Posted - 2012.05.31 13:20:00 -
[47] - Quote
James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly.
As apposed to all the self entitled, up their own ass, leet PVP'rs who get there kicks out of fu*king other ppls games up, shooting unarmed targets (even if badly fitted) for no challenge, then crowing on the forums about how great they are and harvesting tears. Then trying to dictate to the rest of Eve how they should play the game.
Tal
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
257
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Posted - 2012.05.31 14:05:00 -
[48] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:People were whining about the same stuff in 2007
People were also whining about the exact same stuff in 2005.
0.0 space was run by major alliances, high-sec dwellers were screaming about getting ganked, low sec still sucked and miners were everyone's favourite targets. In 7 years the only thing that has changed game play wise is that we now have more choices.
If EVE has truly ever had a Golden Age, I would say it is happening right now. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |
Price Check Aisle3
44
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Posted - 2012.05.31 14:09:00 -
[49] - Quote
Mussaschi wrote:Do you remember this video the butterfly effect? GÇ£A group of miners calling for help in local ...GÇ¥. Well truth is, the miners would be probably ganked before they even finished typing, not mentioning flying there, locking the enemies Why aren't you out there fighting the good fight instead of whining on the forums? |
Kno Bodeesbitch
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.05.31 14:30:00 -
[50] - Quote
Mme Pinkerton wrote:This thread touches upon an important point that gets neglected in most of the current discussions:
The problem that miners currently complain about is primarily a problem of culture, not a problem of game mechanics. However, if culture does not improve it will inevitably be "fixed" by way of game mechanics (which would be to the detriment of everyone, I think).
Activities like suicide ganking, scamming, corp theft, ... add a lot to the game as long as only a small minority actively pursues them. In that case they add some spice to an otherwise bland high-sec experience without seriously impacting the game overall.
However, when/once these activities become mainstream they will quickly stop being an enhancement to the game and become a detriment.
I think most of us know a similar problem from other pvp games - imbalances in classes/builds are generally unproblematic and can often be a boon to the game as long as they are not widely exploited. But once every drooling idiot starts to use the "overpowered" FotM the game becomes unplayable until the next patch (some games have draft/ban systems that can act as a short-term bandaid in such cases).
Imagine you are a corporation CEO in EVE - one corp theft every few months should generally not be a huge problem. Sure it does hurt and it will make you reevaluate the procedures you had put in place to limit the impact of such thefts - but it should not put the continued existence of your corporation into question as long as you have managed it well. In fact, you might see such events as one opportunity to set yourself apart from less competent CEOs (who will get hit that much harder). The game rules that allow corp theft work very well in this case - the thief can feel smug about the theft, the corpmembers can feel morally superior to the thief and the CEO can live his dream of being a corp CEO. ^^
Now imagine that instead of one corp theft every few months, you have a corp theft every few days - regardless of whether there is anything worth stealing or not. Free T1 frigates and some stashes of cheap modules? why not steal it when you can? All material losses aside the morale among the honest member of your corp will drop really fast in such a case - suspicion and paranoia will take over. In that case you can either lock down everything - don't hand out any assets, do extensive background checks on new recruits, ... - or shut down the corporation. Either way not only do your corpmates and you suffer, all budding corpthieves in the EVE universe suffer as well as there will be one less target for them.
Now, according to regular predator/prey dynamics we would expect that at some point there aren't any corporations left that the thieves could steal from and the number of predators will start dropping. But this point of view omits that we are talking about a real-life business that needs continued cashflow to operate and has a reputation to maintain (which is not easily restored once it has been destroyed). The game master has to intervene long before the "natural" return towards equilibrium would set in and when appeals to reason "Can't you see that you are hurting yourself by overfarming your prey?" prove to be fruitless he can only respond by changing the rules.
There is no black/white distinction between "good" and "bad" game mechanics - strict application of the categorical imperative does (in my experience) generally not result in games that are fun to play, imbalances and small exploits are perfectly fine as long their use doesn't spiral out of control - and whether that happens or not is very much a question of community culture. Do you have gamers who just want to pwn using the latest fotm or do you have gamers who share some concern about the state of the game as a whole?
tl;dr suicide ganking, corp thefts, scams, ... are great for EVE - as long as only a few people engage in these activities. Once they become popular these "good" game mechanics become problematic and CCP would be forced to change them (for business reasons) long before any natural return towards equilibrium could set in - ultimately reducing the scope of the sandbox to the detriment of everyone.
This!
The fact that Miners vs. Gankers is dominating the forums means something is out of whack.
Both "professions" were formerly at the ass-end of the food chain, now it is all that people talk about.
IMO it is because there is nothing else happening in the game.
If suicide ganking becomes the pinnacle of achievement in Eve then we have truly fallen.
People say that the problem is the "new crop" of players that want a "theme park". I say the problem is a lack of players that think and play on a grand scale. ( that includes both miners and gankers, me and most likely you)
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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
305
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Posted - 2012.05.31 14:38:00 -
[51] - Quote
James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly.
You can't fit a hulk to avoid a gank. Gankers will gank you no matter what you fit, so this line of reasoning is bull. Gankers just want better loot to salavage, that's why they all parrot this tripe. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
89
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Posted - 2012.05.31 14:50:00 -
[52] - Quote
Ana Vyr wrote:James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly. You can't fit a hulk to avoid a gank. Gankers will gank you no matter what you fit, so this line of reasoning is bull. Gankers just want better loot to salavage, that's why they all parrot this tripe.
Heres a helpful tip, paying attention, using your dscan and warping off before the gankers get there will save you every time. Cant shoot whats not there after all. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
622
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Posted - 2012.05.31 14:58:00 -
[53] - Quote
Mussaschi wrote:GÇ£A group of miners calling for help in local ...GÇ¥. Well truth is, the miners would be probably ganked before they even finished typing
That's the problem, right there. The miners should never have been in the belt without combat support already ready to begin with. If you look back at the first three-four years of EVE, miners usually had combat pilots fleeted with them already, and there was incentitives for the combat pilots to do so (production of t1 items, as you couldn't just get them cheap on market, and making isk for a combat pilot wasn't that easy).
The day we (yes, all players) stopped working their PvE in groups, mining, industrialism, missions, etc.. that's when the non-PvP focused pilots started to struggle. Combat pilots can now supply their needs easily by shooting a couple of NPCs and buy stuff from market. We don't need miners or builders. Miners tho, they still need combat pilots, but they too want everything to be 'solo-able'.
TL;DR mining should be profitable - but dangerous. Miners should want to pay for combat support. Combat pilots should want to defend the miners. Players should want to interact a bit more with the 'other side', and solo less. shiptoastin' liek a baws |
Clyde Barrows
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.31 15:09:00 -
[54] - Quote
Mussaschi wrote:When I started with eve some years ago, eve was almost perfect, lot's of clear sky, an extremely helpful community, and this wild mix of things you could do according to your mood. Going into low and 0.0 if you need some adrenalin to kick in, missions if you had to fill up an hour of free time, mining if you wanted to do something in the middle of something else. It was this heritage from elite that got me. If I look at eve now, the picture becomes quite sad. Technically eve get's better and better. The visuals are still stunning, and a lot of the stuff that was annoying in the past have been dealt with. Than eve lost something important to me. Do you remember this video the butterfly effect? GǣA group of miners calling for help in local ...Gǥ. Well truth is, the miners would be probably ganked before they even finished typing, not mentioning flying there, locking the enemies GǪ 0.0 has become so small that you can not dream of getting a piece of that pie, unless you play but monkey for a big alliance. WH space is quite ok at the moment, but looking at the decisions before I am sure that they will find a way to nerve them too. The forums are filled with people as helpful as rattlesnakes and with about the same attitude or IQ, and if I check the posts in my alliance I see that they have been robbed the 3rd time now, by trusted long time members. The community degraded and it seems that the developers at CCP share their vision of death match unlimited. Not that death match unlimited has to be a bad game, but it will not be the game I dedicate a lot of my time, and I guess it would be WOT in this case for me. From what I see future eve will be played only by full time eve professionals, gankers and masochists. Since none of that apply to me, guess I will let my subscription run out. I am sure eve will not die, and I applaud the CCP game designers that stick to their vision of the game to a point, that it even risks their jobs (or at least the jobs of some more colleagues). So good luck to all who decide to stay. Go down fighting. Hope that I will find reason again to revisit eve.
Great post . I agree 100% . I am just waiting for my sub to run out too. |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
88
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Posted - 2012.05.31 15:19:00 -
[55] - Quote
Morganta wrote:you know WOT is full of people who have played the game longer and or paid more than you to be better than you
are you sure that's really a step up?
Clearly you have never played WOT. Gold tanks are not that OP and can be killed without Gold tanks or ammo. The game is way more balanced then EVE will ever hope to be. WOT is real PVP.
I have played since WOT was in Beta in North America. Great game, still play it but your so wrong about paid = better. Player Skill and knowledge of the tanks is the only thing that will make you good or bad. Its that simple.
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Eyup Mi'duck
Republic University Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2012.05.31 15:29:00 -
[56] - Quote
Entropic Doom.
It gets everything in the end, even EVE is not immune... I am me.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á I am not you. -á-á-á-áI have my own thoughts. -á-á-á I am very happy with this situation. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
328
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Posted - 2012.05.31 17:42:00 -
[57] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Morganta wrote:you know WOT is full of people who have played the game longer and or paid more than you to be better than you
are you sure that's really a step up? Clearly you have never played WOT. Gold tanks are not that OP and can be killed without Gold tanks or ammo. The game is way more balanced then EVE will ever hope to be. WOT is real PVP. I have played since WOT was in Beta in North America. Great game, still play it but your so wrong about paid = better. Player Skill and knowledge of the tanks is the only thing that will make you good or bad. Its that simple.
Goodbye enjoy WOT,
Tal |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
717
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Posted - 2012.05.31 17:45:00 -
[58] - Quote
Kno Bodeesbitch wrote:Harnessing the stupidity and short attention span of the lowest common denominator.
Not all miners have short attention spans or are dumb. eh |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
305
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Posted - 2012.05.31 17:51:00 -
[59] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly. You can't fit a hulk to avoid a gank. Gankers will gank you no matter what you fit, so this line of reasoning is bull. Gankers just want better loot to salavage, that's why they all parrot this tripe. Heres a helpful tip, paying attention, using your dscan and warping off before the gankers get there will save you every time. Cant shoot whats not there after all.
Of course.
Now let me know how that works out for you when the gankers warp to the cloaked ship that fingered you, and there's a point on you before you can act.
Due dilligence is always great, and for the record I have never been ganked while mining. I do use the d-scanner, I take note of who's in system, I choose my mining locations and times accordingly to avoid peak times etc etc etc...and my Hulk is tanked.
None of this will save me from a determined ganker. This is my point. If somebody wants to punk your Hulk, they can. Simple as that, and there's nothing you can do against this kind of determination except not mine.
I've been mining in a Covetor lately, just in case. |
Price Check Aisle3
44
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Posted - 2012.05.31 17:54:00 -
[60] - Quote
Ana Vyr wrote:Now let me know how that works out for you when the gankers warp to the cloaked ship that fingered you, and there's a point on you before you can act. So you actually weren't spamming the d-scan, staying aligned, and watching local for the scary yellows, like you claimed... |
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Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.05.31 17:57:00 -
[61] - Quote
A "WAH! I quit!" message, laden with Firefly references. How quaint. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
305
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Posted - 2012.05.31 17:58:00 -
[62] - Quote
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:Now let me know how that works out for you when the gankers warp to the cloaked ship that fingered you, and there's a point on you before you can act. So you actually weren't spamming the d-scan, staying aligned, and watching local for the scary yellows, like you claimed...
Did you miss the part where I mentioned I've never been ganked? Shrug, I really could care less though, come and get me Price Check. |
Price Check Aisle3
44
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Posted - 2012.05.31 18:04:00 -
[63] - Quote
Ana Vyr wrote:Did you miss the part where I mentioned I've never been ganked? Shrug, I really could care less though, come and get me Price Check. So, uh, you've never been ganked and here you are arguing about how a determined ganker can't be stopped... BTW, I'm not coming after you and neither is my forum-banned main. Enjoy your mining. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
328
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Posted - 2012.05.31 18:05:00 -
[64] - Quote
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:Did you miss the part where I mentioned I've never been ganked? Shrug, I really could care less though, come and get me Price Check. So, uh, you've never been ganked and here you are arguing about how a determined ganker can't be stopped... BTW, I'm not coming after you and neither is my forum-banned main. Enjoy your mining.
or is she, waggles his eyebrows up and down
Tal
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.05.31 18:07:00 -
[65] - Quote
Darth Kilth wrote:James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly. Oh common, we all know that the only people here who don't want any risk are the suicide gankers, imagine if there where actual repercussion for such acts, unthinkable!
Funny **** here.
You use the word SUICIDE before ganking. Then you say they don't want any risk. Then suggest there be repercussions for such an act.
SUICIDE. Hmmm....
SUICIDE. ughm......
SUI...CIDE?
I agree, there is a problem with the internet today. It's apparently making peope dumber. As can be seen in the severe lack of common sense that is prevelant today. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
305
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Posted - 2012.05.31 18:13:00 -
[66] - Quote
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:Did you miss the part where I mentioned I've never been ganked? Shrug, I really could care less though, come and get me Price Check. So, uh, you've never been ganked and here you are arguing about how a determined ganker can't be stopped... BTW, I'm not coming after you and neither is my forum-banned main. Enjoy your mining.
Indeed I will. I'd like to think it's my diligence that has saved me all these years...5 years now, but it isn't. I'm not arguing that Hulks need a buff either, all I'm saying is that determined gankers will get you if they want to. |
Doctor Benway Kado
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.05.31 18:22:00 -
[67] - Quote
Yes, I agree. Everything was perfect when I was younger, too. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
328
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Posted - 2012.05.31 18:27:00 -
[68] - Quote
Natsett Amuinn wrote:Darth Kilth wrote:James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly. Oh common, we all know that the only people here who don't want any risk are the suicide gankers, imagine if there where actual repercussion for such acts, unthinkable! Funny **** here. You use the word SUICIDE before ganking. Then you say they don't want any risk. Then suggest there be repercussions for such an act. SUICIDE. Hmmm.... SUICIDE. ughm...... SUI...CIDE? I agree, there is a problem with the internet today. It's apparently making peope dumber. As can be seen in the severe lack of common sense that is prevelant today.
Your right because suicide when your an immortal pod pilot, isnt suicide, and lets not discuss the ISK loss difference hmmmm
Repeat after me "must try harder"
Tal |
Price Check Aisle3
44
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Posted - 2012.05.31 18:31:00 -
[69] - Quote
Ana Vyr wrote:Indeed I will. I'd like to think it's my diligence that has saved me all these years...5 years now, but it isn't. I'm not arguing that Hulks need a buff either, all I'm saying is that determined gankers will get you if they want to. Player miners like you who aren't foaming-at-the-mouth-******** are actually fairly tough targets. Paying attention is a big part of your "tank" and is often deterrence enough, which is why bots and the terminally AFK will always be chosen before you. |
Par'Gellen
123
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Posted - 2012.05.31 18:39:00 -
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Eve attracts a unique permanent crowd. Those that enjoy the suffering of others (never understood this mentality myself) and those that can be victimized but pick themselves up and keep going. Both groups can be classed as strong personalities. The frothing lunatic psychopath that will kill without remorse and think it's funny and the stalwart law-abiding citizen that will never break no matter what hardships come their way.
These are opposite ends of the spectrum and really the only true core of the long-time playerbase. A good balance is needed between the two groups for the game to be fun for everyone. Unfortunately CCP themselves unbalance the equation by maintaining game mechanics that enourage asshattery and rewarding such activities with praise at fanfests and on the forums etc.
Most people do not fall on the extreme ends of this personality scale and I believe this is why Eve Online has never become a mainstream MMO.
Many of my friends from other MMO's and in real life have tried Eve and hated it. The reason is always the same. Griefing. I try to give them advice and show them how to avoid or minimize it but it's usually too late to reverse their opinion.
Mining in a cruiser and training for weeks to buy and fly a nice shiny barge, only to have it all blown to bits under supported game mechanics is a sure fire formula for making a new person ragequit. 95% of the time they will not be back and I can promise you they do not praise the game to their peers.
A buddy from work once said it perfectly. "If I have to work that hard just to play the game what's the point?" I had no answer for that, and actually started wondering why I keep playing Eve myself.
Honestly? I don't know.
CCP, I do have a suggestion though that I think would help rebalance the equation without making high sec "safe". Revisit the barges' stats. Maybe double their armor and shields and give them another mid and low slot. Make them more than ore pinatas anyone with a stick can walk up and start smacking around.
Actually, you know what I would LOVE to see that even involves MORE PvP? Barges that can actually defend themselves. If done properly (maybe a defensive-only system of some kind to avoid abuse) how would that be a bad thing?
I'd love to hear some opinions on this.
-Par
TL;DR As things stand now with barges and gankers its basically like CCP holds the citizen down while the lunatic stabs him to death. Give the citizen the ability to survive and fight back. That is even MORE PVP! CCP, I understand that "To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
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Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
88
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Posted - 2012.05.31 19:03:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Twulf wrote:Morganta wrote:you know WOT is full of people who have played the game longer and or paid more than you to be better than you
are you sure that's really a step up? Clearly you have never played WOT. Gold tanks are not that OP and can be killed without Gold tanks or ammo. The game is way more balanced then EVE will ever hope to be. WOT is real PVP. I have played since WOT was in Beta in North America. Great game, still play it but your so wrong about paid = better. Player Skill and knowledge of the tanks is the only thing that will make you good or bad. Its that simple. Goodbye enjoy WOT, Tal
Do you have to try and be this stupid or does it come naturally? Where did I say I was leaving for WOT? I play both, I know crazy concept. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
328
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Posted - 2012.05.31 19:09:00 -
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Twulf wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Twulf wrote:Morganta wrote:you know WOT is full of people who have played the game longer and or paid more than you to be better than you
are you sure that's really a step up? Clearly you have never played WOT. Gold tanks are not that OP and can be killed without Gold tanks or ammo. The game is way more balanced then EVE will ever hope to be. WOT is real PVP. I have played since WOT was in Beta in North America. Great game, still play it but your so wrong about paid = better. Player Skill and knowledge of the tanks is the only thing that will make you good or bad. Its that simple. Goodbye enjoy WOT, Tal Do you have to try and be this stupid or does it come naturally? Where did I say I was leaving for WOT? I play both, I know crazy concept.
Ooohh touchy, you seemed to be extolling the virtues of WOT so much over EVE, I thought you would rather play it, being so much more balanced than EVE will ever be.
Have fun getting your toys back in the pram.
Tal
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
287
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Posted - 2012.05.31 20:06:00 -
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Mme Pinkerton wrote:tl;dr suicide ganking, corp thefts, scams, ... are great for EVE - as long as only a few people engage in these activities. Once they become popular these "good" game mechanics become problematic and CCP would be forced to change them (for business reasons) long before any natural return towards equilibrium could set in - ultimately reducing the scope of the sandbox to the detriment of everyone.
Spot on there. |
Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
91
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Posted - 2012.05.31 20:15:00 -
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Misanth wrote:Mussaschi wrote:GÇ£A group of miners calling for help in local ...GÇ¥. Well truth is, the miners would be probably ganked before they even finished typing TL;DR mining should be profitable - but dangerous. Miners should want to pay for combat support. Combat pilots should want to defend the miners. Players should want to interact a bit more with the 'other side', and solo less.
Should according to who? |
Little Brat
Four Gun
18
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Posted - 2012.05.31 20:17:00 -
[75] - Quote
x It is the rule in war, if ten times the enemy's strength, surround them; if five times, attack them; if double, be able to divide them; if equal, engage them; if fewer, be able to evade them; if weaker, be able to avoid them. Sun Tzu, 6th Century BC-á |
Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
91
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Posted - 2012.05.31 20:20:00 -
[76] - Quote
Natsett Amuinn wrote:Darth Kilth wrote:James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly. Oh common, we all know that the only people here who don't want any risk are the suicide gankers, imagine if there where actual repercussion for such acts, unthinkable! Funny **** here. You use the word SUICIDE before ganking. Then you say they don't want any risk. Then suggest there be repercussions for such an act. SUICIDE. Hmmm.... SUICIDE. ughm...... SUI...CIDE? I agree, there is a problem with the internet today. It's apparently making peope dumber. As can be seen in the severe lack of common sense that is prevelant today.
Suicide isn't a risk, its a guaranteed predetermined decision |
lanyaie
315
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Posted - 2012.05.31 20:22:00 -
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Your point? I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you Currently offering 100% legit hulkageddon security sponsored by the mittani, send 50m to me and 50m to him |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
622
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Posted - 2012.05.31 21:11:00 -
[78] - Quote
Zyress wrote:Misanth wrote:Mussaschi wrote:GÇ£A group of miners calling for help in local ...GÇ¥. Well truth is, the miners would be probably ganked before they even finished typing TL;DR mining should be profitable - but dangerous. Miners should want to pay for combat support. Combat pilots should want to defend the miners. Players should want to interact a bit more with the 'other side', and solo less. Should according to who?
Me. Didn't you read the rest? Posted my opinion. Just like the OP posted his in the first post. shiptoastin' liek a baws |
Wilma Lawson
Hedion University Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2012.05.31 21:14:00 -
[79] - Quote
Farewell Capsuleer! Good luck with your new adventures. I hope you return to Eve sometime in the future! o7 |
Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.05.31 21:15:00 -
[80] - Quote
no1 curr |
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Mathias Hex
153
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Posted - 2012.05.31 21:19:00 -
[81] - Quote
Take my love take my land take me where I cannot stand, I don't care I'm still free they can't take the sky from me...Your post does not do any justice to the title. I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2296
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Posted - 2012.05.31 21:23:00 -
[82] - Quote
Again another one bites the dust.
Always saddens me to see these types of threads constantly being posted every day now. This has definitely been the trend for the past couple of years, especially in this year alone. Obviously this is a major problem now due to unbalanced game mechanics being exploited on a large scale which seriously needs to be addressed by CCP asap. If there wasn't a problem, this sub-forum wouldn't be filled with threads about the topic of ganking.
DMC |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
880
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:15:00 -
[83] - Quote
Par'Gellen wrote:Eve attracts a unique permanent crowd. Those that enjoy the suffering of others (never understood this mentality myself) and those that can be victimized but pick themselves up and keep going. Both groups can be classed as strong personalities. The frothing lunatic psychopath that will kill without remorse and think it's funny and the stalwart law-abiding citizen that will never break no matter what hardships come their way.
These are opposite ends of the spectrum and really the only true core of the long-time playerbase. A good balance is needed between the two groups for the game to be fun for everyone. Unfortunately CCP themselves unbalance the equation by maintaining game mechanics that enourage asshattery and rewarding such activities with praise at fanfests and on the forums etc. Most people do not fall on the extreme ends of this personality scale and I believe this is why Eve Online has never become a mainstream MMO.
Why did you then choose only those minority groups from the extreme ends, hisec miners and hisec gankers? Contrary to the common delusions, vast majority of EVE players are pretty normal guys who can make a difference between a game and die Endl+¦sung.
As can be seen, hisec miners come and go, their EVE experience is as shallow as it is to the professional gankers. The players who stay like the long-term challenge of EVE, not the grind or griefing aspects.
Quote:Many of my friends from other MMO's and in real life have tried Eve and hated it. The reason is always the same. Griefing. I try to give them advice and show them how to avoid or minimize it but it's usually too late to reverse their opinion.
Once again, false expectations created by other games ruined their EVE experience. Me and my RL friends who have tried EVE absolutely loved it (two of them valued their RL more, one loves the game but it seems to be too complicated for him) and we've never even heard the word "griefing" before.
If you really get the core idea of EVE, you understand that there is no griefing. Getting blown up and blowing things up is natural for a real MMO focused on intergalactic spaceship violence. "Griefing" implies that one party doesn't understand the nature of the game and becomes sad for losing virtual pixels, and the other party enjoys these tears. Why not suck the loss up like a man, accept it's a part of the game, most often your own mistake and change your operation model to avoid such losses in the future?
This continuous cycle of adaptation is the true lure of EVE, it's challenge and the thing that attracts the core playerbase. People create the evolving world, and people create ways to deal with it. AI can't yet offer this much complexity.
Quote:Mining in a cruiser and training for weeks to buy and fly a nice shiny barge, only to have it all blown to bits under supported game mechanics is a sure fire formula for making a new person ragequit. 95% of the time they will not be back and I can promise you they do not praise the game to their peers.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8374664 from my first day. (I did a trial in 2009, had to put it on hold due to work) My first thought was "wtf just happened, there was nobody" :D and so I learned about cloaking devices. I was mad, but instead of hiding under my bed to cry, I wanted revenge, and I had to know what to do to avoid that until I grew enough to get my revenge.
Mining in a cruiser for a week is a failure to think.
Quote:A buddy from work once said it perfectly. "If I have to work that hard just to play the game what's the point?" I had no answer for that, and actually started wondering why I keep playing Eve myself.
Honestly? I don't know.
Do they work hard in life just to get on vacations? I prefer to enjoy my work as well.
Quote:CCP, I do have a suggestion though that I think would help rebalance the equation without making high sec "safe". Revisit the barges' stats. Maybe double their armor and shields and give them another mid and low slot. Make them more than ore pinatas anyone with a stick can walk up and start smacking around.
Actually, you know what I would LOVE to see that even involves MORE PvP? Barges that can actually defend themselves. If done properly (maybe a defensive-only system of some kind to avoid abuse) how would that be a bad thing?
I'd love to hear some opinions on this.
I'm not against buffing barge stats. 50% more HP spread across hull, armor and shields, one more low slot. Why not? They already have drones, I find that quite enough for defense. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
880
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:19:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Again another one bites the dust.
Always saddens me to see these types of threads constantly being posted every day now. This has definitely been the trend for the past couple of years, especially in this year alone. Obviously this is a major problem now due to unbalanced game mechanics being exploited on a large scale which seriously needs to be addressed by CCP asap. If there wasn't a problem, this sub-forum wouldn't be filled with threads about the topic of ganking.
DMC
The problem is mismanaging expectations. People coming from other MMOs seem to think they are on a PVE server, where they can happily grind quest after quest, gather materials and craft. It should be made clearer that there is only one server with full PVP rules.
This is a sandbox, if you are unhappy about what others are doing to you, you need to come up with a strategy to avoid the situation, or find a counter strategy. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1563
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Posted - 2012.06.01 07:05:00 -
[85] - Quote
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:I could always look after your stuff and give what didn't blow up back to you if and when you return.
MST3K!!! Took a minute to realize.
OK this degradation of the player base... is it this game in particular, or MMOs in general or...
society?
It's rough out there. Joblessness, tyranny, wars, and in the USA, more women are fatter than ever.
(I had to put something on the end of that but statistically it is true)
Collapsing societies breed assholes. Period.
Now, what does "CCP" mean? It means "Crowd Control Productions". And it just might be a service to the world when internet space pixels are being destroyed instead of cars being keyed, dogs being poisoned, and houses being burned down. Sometimes I wonder if it was planned (and I have the patent for the deluxe grounding strap made for tin foil hats).
Whatever the case, it's global. The world sucks. it's full of people. People play games. They are going to makes those games suck. They at least make it interesting.
Chances are, everybody could enjoy the game if they would stop taking themselves too darned seriously. And I do mean EVERYBODY.
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Kylon Parltri
Star Empire of Horologium-Reticulum
0
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Posted - 2012.06.01 07:08:00 -
[86] - Quote
Im still pretty new to eve but everything I have seen indicates that this is one of the better gaming communities. This "degradation" you speak of is happening, but it is far more widespread than you make it sound. It is an undercurrent of general dissatisfaction that can be found from a growing number of malcontents across ALL large gaming communities. I have played many different online games and MMO's in the past few years and the general outrage over just about everything and anything is there and visibly growing.
My theory is that things like F2P, cash shops and RMT has become so pervasive in online games that it is slowly driving consumers insane to the point it is even damaging game communities that do not utilize such measures. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
118
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Posted - 2012.06.01 07:27:00 -
[87] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:You guys could just post a roster instead of making us read the same, tired, one-liners. Posts like this OP attract the same mentally challenged every time. Proof of the challenged part? Read what they say post to post. Same thing every time. What's funny is, they don't remember they already said it. It's a new thought in their minds every time!
What they also fail to realize; we see them IRL every day. Ain't it funny how they all seem to look the same?
In total contrast to all those threads they're replying to? Each and every whine thread is unique and post worthy |
Yolanta Geezenstack
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.06.01 07:51:00 -
[88] - Quote
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:Yes, I agree. Everything was perfect when I was younger, too.
This. It always makes me nervous when people talk about the "good ol' days". Most of the times it's you that has changed, not the environment.
"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint" (Hesiod, 8th century BC). |
Par'Gellen
123
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Posted - 2012.06.01 14:32:00 -
[89] - Quote
Roime wrote:Some good points. More than the post limit allows me to quote. I know you do not think so but your responses actually prove my points.
"Why did you then choose only those minority groups from the extreme ends, hisec miners and hisec gankers?" Because I explained that in the post. Those are the ones that stick around for good. Most of the others do not. Eve is tiny compared to other MMO's. Some of them would close their doors if they had subscription numbers as low as Eve's.
"Once again, false expectations created by other games ruined their EVE experience." I disagree. Other MMO's have nothing to do with it. If there were no other MMO's on the planet I seriously doubt Eve's subscription numbers would improve. What do you think would happen to them if there was another Eve-like MMO on the market that didn't cater to asshattery? Eve's limited success boils down to the fact that they have no real competition. Internet spaceships is a lot of fun if you can get past the griefing. Many people can't. Find me another MMO like Eve that isn't run by a company that is borderline insane (please!).
"If you really get the core idea of EVE, you understand that there is no griefing." That is the biggest design flaw of the entire game if you care at all about your income. A defensless new miner getting popped by a veteran in a disposable ship for lulz is not griefing? Maybe not by CCP's standards but pretty much the rest of the MMO world (devs and players alike) disagree.
""Griefing" implies that one party doesn't understand the nature of the game and becomes sad for losing virtual pixels, and the other party enjoys these tears." You said it. Do you mean this doesn't happen? I've seen it since 2003.
"Why not suck the loss up like a man, accept it's a part of the game, most often your own mistake and change your operation model to avoid such losses in the future?" I'll use a term from the pro-griefing crowd to explain why. "It is just a game". Most people don't consider being killed repeatedly or having to do research on setups that won't keep them alive anyway much fun. Even a 32k EHP tanked Hulk setup won't keep you alive long enough to run away if the ganker has a partner. This isn't rocket surgery.
"This continuous cycle of adaptation is the true lure of EVE, it's challenge and the thing that attracts the core playerbase. People create the evolving world, and people create ways to deal with it. AI can't yet offer this much complexity." Here we agree... to a point. PvE could provide those things if it weren't tacked on as an afterthought. A dev once explained how the normal NPC AI works in a post back when Sleepers were being added to the game. It boiled down to "they look for something to shoot and then shoot it until it's dead or they're dead." Sleepers are better but unfortunately you have to expose yourself to WH space to even see them. Incursions are meh and remind me of raiding in other MMO's. There's always a guy in charge that will lose his ever-loving mind over the slightest thing (real or imaginary). There are no real options for the things you mentioned for people that aren't interested in PvP. CCP knows this so they try to trick or force those people into situations that require them to PvP (low/null sec and WH space). This will fail every time because nobody can force anyone to play a game that they do not think is fun. Well.. maybe in China but they have their own server.
"http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8374664 from my first day. (I did a trial in 2009, had to put it on hold due to work) My first thought was "wtf just happened, there was nobody" :D and so I learned about cloaking devices. I was mad, but instead of hiding under my bed to cry, I wanted revenge, and I had to know what to do to avoid that until I grew enough to get my revenge." Exactly my point. You stayed. Most people don't.
"Mining in a cruiser for a week is a failure to think." In 2003 I mined for 3 weeks in a Bestower to buy a Thorax. Man, you guys have it easy these days.
"Do they work hard in life just to get on vacations? I prefer to enjoy my work as well." Yes but you are missing the point. Eve is a game played for enjoyment and therefore matches up to the vacation part, not the work part. Would most people take a vacation from their RL jobs to do something that isn't fun?
"I'm not against buffing barge stats. 50% more HP spread across hull, armor and shields, one more low slot. Why not? They already have drones, I find that quite enough for defense." Drones are no defense when you are dead before they can reach their target. The griefers have all the advantages. If a miner tries to get proactive about his own defense then he's the one getting the visit from CONCORD. Miners can't formulate an attack that involves CONCORD. Griefers can.
When a plan to kill someone includes the very entity meant to punish it then at best that system is broken and at worst is being explioted. CCP, I understand that "To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.06.01 14:35:00 -
[90] - Quote
Par'Gellen wrote: When a plan to kill someone includes the very entity meant to punish it then at best that system is broken and at worst is being explioted.
"when a plan takes into account something that is 100% guaranteed to happen it is an indication that something is wrong"
if this is how you plan i can see why you die repeatedly |
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Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx Luna Sanguinem
163
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Posted - 2012.06.01 14:37:00 -
[91] - Quote
James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly.
+1 to learning how to fit a hulk properly. |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx Luna Sanguinem
163
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Posted - 2012.06.01 14:42:00 -
[92] - Quote
Par'Gellen wrote:If there were no other MMO's on the planet I seriously doubt Eve's subscription numbers would improve.
But there is other MMO's on the planet & subscription numbers continue to improve. Every. Single. Year.
Par'Gellen wrote:What do you think would happen to them if there was another Eve-like MMO on the market that didn't cater to asshattery?
It wouldn't be like EVE if it didn't accept asshattery. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.06.01 14:43:00 -
[93] - Quote
Par'Gellen wrote: I'll use a term from the pro-griefing crowd to explain why. "It is just a game". Most people don't consider being killed repeatedly or having to do research on setups that won't keep them alive anyway much fun. Even a 32k EHP tanked Hulk setup won't keep you alive long enough to run away if the ganker has a partner. This isn't rocket surgery.
eve is a game where information matters
if you can't be bothered to gather basic information you will lose, repeatedly and painfully
"having to do research" is a basic feature of the game and if it's too hard for you might i suggest a nice game of tic-tac-toe |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
345
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Posted - 2012.06.01 14:47:00 -
[94] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Chances are, everybody could enjoy the game if they would stop taking themselves too darned seriously. And I do mean EVERYBODY.
Just for you EVERYBODY KNOWS
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Par'Gellen
123
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Posted - 2012.06.01 14:54:00 -
[95] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:But there is other MMO's on the planet & subscription numbers continue to improve. Every. Single. Year. True. Some more people feebly trickle in each year I'm sure. Maybe I should have said "improve significantly".
Mallak Azaria wrote:It wouldn't be like EVE if it didn't accept asshattery. You said it. Actually I've recently found a game that reminds me a lot of Eve but doesn't cater to asshats. It's called Perpetuum Online. It isn't internet spaceships but it's still quite fun. I've been playing the crap out of it lately. CCP, I understand that "To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx Luna Sanguinem
163
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Posted - 2012.06.01 14:59:00 -
[96] - Quote
Par'Gellen wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:But there is other MMO's on the planet & subscription numbers continue to improve. Every. Single. Year. True. Some more people feebly trickle in each year I'm sure. Maybe I should have said "improve significantly".
CCP seems to be the sort of company that values players who are actually dedicated & enjoy the game, over sheer numbers of people playing. Slow, steady growth is better than an explosion of growth quickly followed by an equally massive slump. |
Par'Gellen
123
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Posted - 2012.06.01 16:04:00 -
[97] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:CCP seems to be the sort of company that values players who are actually dedicated & enjoy the game, over sheer numbers of people playing. Slow, steady growth is better than an explosion of growth quickly followed by an equally massive slump. That would depend on your viewpoint but I understand what you mean. CCP, I understand that "To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto... |
Pisov viet
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
35
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Posted - 2012.06.01 20:34:00 -
[98] - Quote
Par'Gellen wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:But there is other MMO's on the planet & subscription numbers continue to improve. Every. Single. Year. True. Some more people feebly trickle in each year I'm sure. Maybe I should have said "improve significantly". Define "improve significantly". Eve playerbase could increase by 50% every year and whiny little ***** would still use the "this will bring more people" argument to push their ****** idea of balance. |
Pisov viet
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
35
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Posted - 2012.06.01 21:13:00 -
[99] - Quote
Mussaschi wrote:Pisov viet wrote:That's real fuckin neato, but I joined the game because of the cuthroats storys about it. I dont care how you're missing the good old days of collective boringne-ZzzzZZzzzZZzzzzzzz Congratulation, it seems that the lead developers will evolve this game specially to fulfil your needs for cutting throats, even from the back if required. This is your game now. Sounds cool, thanks a lo-ZzzzzZzzZzzzzzzz |
Cheeks For Weeks
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:07:00 -
[100] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:I could always look after your stuff and give what didn't blow up back to you if and when you return. MST3K!!! Took a minute to realize. OK this degradation of the player base... is it this game in particular, or MMOs in general or... society? It's rough out there. Joblessness, tyranny, wars, and in the USA, more women are fatter than ever. (I had to put something on the end of that but statistically it is true) Collapsing societies breed assholes. Period. Now, what does "CCP" mean? It means "Crowd Control Productions". And it just might be a service to the world when internet space pixels are being destroyed instead of cars being keyed, dogs being poisoned, and houses being burned down. Sometimes I wonder if it was planned (and I have the patent for the deluxe grounding strap made for tin foil hats). Whatever the case, it's global. The world sucks. it's full of people. People play games. They are going to makes those games suck. They at least make it interesting. Chances are, everybody could enjoy the game if they would stop taking themselves too darned seriously. And I do mean EVERYBODY.
I live in the city of Philadelphia and i can see where this post is coming from.
Quote:in the USA, more women are fatter than ever.
Best line.
Took a drive today and saw 12 women along 2 blocks. All hot, flabby steaming POS messes, and all wearing something they shouldn't.
People in this game are quite... meh , but other people can't just play a game and not understand the rules.
Anyone recall a game called RF Online? That game had neutral zones where PVP was open and rampant. It had a "Concord" system where a giant muppet protected miners of the race who won the chip war within a specific map. The problem was that if you rushed enough people into the mines you could effectively kill everyone inside because the muppet could only target one person at a time and his attacks were AOE attacks that grew weaker the further one stood from the center of impact. The "entitled" miners cried foul and it became a bannable offense to treat the game like a sandbox.
Guess where that game is now? Sure as hell in a state of obscurity. |
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Cheeks For Weeks
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:17:00 -
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Par'Gellen wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:But there is other MMO's on the planet & subscription numbers continue to improve. Every. Single. Year. True. Some more people feebly trickle in each year I'm sure. Maybe I should have said "improve significantly". Mallak Azaria wrote:It wouldn't be like EVE if it didn't accept asshattery. You said it. Actually I've recently found a game that reminds me a lot of Eve but doesn't cater to asshats. It's called Perpetuum Online. It isn't internet spaceships but it's still quite fun. I've been playing the crap out of it lately. Seems to be like EVE while being on a planet. |
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
57
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:26:00 -
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Whiney, self entitled players who want to make this game the same as every other sterile, fluffy MMO are to blame for much of the discourse. Thank god that CCP knows what happens when these players have been given what they demanded in other games. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
290
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:32:00 -
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James 315 wrote:The only people trying to "degrade the community" are the highsec miners who want to remove all risk from their EVE experience and who believe they are entitled to an endless series of buffs and nerfs because they can't fit a hulk properly. Pure moron spewing again.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone Ironworks Coalition
85
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Posted - 2012.06.03 01:45:00 -
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Clicked link expecting Firefly related topic.
Left disappointed.
On a serious note, welcome to the internet. I'd like to think I'm one of the more helpful players out there but don't blind yourself to how the net has evolved, you can largely blame anon for that. The power of anon compels a lot of people to.. well, I've long believed Eve to be a reflection of how society would be if it were more lawless. If people can get away with it, they will and people like us will get stomped on eventually, so it's a case of do what you can to avoid drawing attention to yourself, or get stomped hard.
Adapt or die, as they say. The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
472
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Posted - 2012.06.03 02:01:00 -
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Versuvius Marii wrote: Adapt or die, as they say.
Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?
A fictitious bot from 29 years ago had the solution long before GD's weeping and gnashing of teeth. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
463
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Posted - 2012.06.03 02:06:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Kno Bodeesbitch wrote:There are a few notables left, The Mitani is actually one of them. He has found the recipe for staying relevant: Harnessing the stupidity and short attention span of the lowest common denominator. I can't tell if this post is intended to defend the highsec miners or attack them... figures...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2006
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Posted - 2012.06.03 02:42:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:People were whining about the same stuff in 2007
In truth, people were saying exactly the same things by the end of 2003. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
381
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Posted - 2012.06.03 02:58:00 -
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So someone did take the sky from you? |
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