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Shevar
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Posted - 2009.08.21 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Kravick Drasani
Originally by: Zeba Because a $300 console at launch is the equivalent of the current $1000 gaming rig. Try to play high quality games on a $300 computer.
The PS3 was $600 at launch. Its $300 now. I know they have different HD sizes and configurations (one of the "low end" PS3s has certain games that don't work on it or something) that have varying prices.
Still, $300 is a far cry from the $600 they actually where. Consoles when they released didn't even have state of the art graphics cards. A cheap ass $99 graphic card now spanks any console on the market now. IMO, consoles are for people who are too stupid to operate a computer or those who want platform specific titles (like Smash Brothers for the Wii).
Point still stands. Try building a complete gaming rig that runs current games for $300. CoD4 on a 360 hooked up to an hdmi hdtv looks and plays just like cod4 on a pc.
I can put together a 300 dollar box that can run CoD4 fluently in 1024x600. **** I can buy a second hand computer for half that and still run it fluently.
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/22/call-of-duty-4-not-hd-only-600p-claim-pixel-counters/
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Shevar
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Posted - 2009.08.21 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Shevar I can put together a 300 dollar box that can run CoD4 fluently in 1024x600. **** I can buy a second hand computer for half that and still run it fluently.
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/22/call-of-duty-4-not-hd-only-600p-claim-pixel-counters/
So now you are stuck with a computer that fails at worst or is adequate at best as a current gaming platform when the 360 will still be able to field current games for years to come due to its lower resolution and dedicated efficient hardware. This isn't even taking into consideration the ps3 which is vastly underused in total graphics potential by current developers due to the difficulty in getting the most out of the system whilst still beating the 360 into the dust.
Also please link to that pc build.
The 360 is using 4 year old PC hardware it really isn't very efficient in the sense as you proclaim it to be. As for the ps3 it WAS impressive when it came out (and here in the Netherlands the introduction price was MUCH closer to 1200 dollars then to the 600 dollars mentioned earlier) and it was overtaken by 1k costing desktops within 8 months.
Show me a single true HD title (as in running 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 NAIVELY) that doesn't stutter or looks like **** on any console.... Even crappy looking titles such as Wipeout HD (take a look at the awesome complex texturing in this screen shot for example http://www.digitalfoundry.org/blogfiles/wipeout1920-1.jpg) need to downscale to prevent stuttering.
As for a link to a 300 dollar/euro system that can run COD4 with the same details as an Xbox360 (actually more then that even);
https://www.afuture.nl/artikel.php?id=1531
If you would build it yourself you can stay at the 300 euro ballpark (and yes even with the crap dollar 1 euro is still 1 dollar when it comes down to buying computer stuffs, especially if you order at a shop that is located in another US state since you won't have to pay taxes). --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
Shevar
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Posted - 2009.08.21 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 21/08/2009 06:11:23
Originally by: Shevar The 360 is using 4 year old PC hardware it really isn't very efficient in the sense as you proclaim it to be.
The 360 might have 4 year old hardware but as it is seamlessly integrated you can get alot moar out of it as it ages than you can a pc card.
Originally by: Shevar Show me a single true HD title (as in running 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 NAIVELY) that doesn't stutter or looks like **** on any console.... Even crappy looking titles such as Wipeout HD (take a look at the awesome complex texturing in this screen shot for example http://www.digitalfoundry.org/blogfiles/wipeout1920-1.jpg) need to downscale to prevent stuttering.
Well as far as the ps3 stuttering I run it in 1080p mode on my lg70 and all the game demos I have tried ran flawlessly with no stuttering so dunno what you are talking about. Hell at times I think it plays smoother than my near current rig with the 9800gtx+ oc.
Originally by: Shevar As for a link to a 300 dollar/euro system that can run COD4 with the same details as an Xbox360 (actually more then that even);
https://www.afuture.nl/artikel.php?id=1531
If you would build it yourself you can stay at the 300 euro ballpark (and yes even with the crap dollar 1 euro is still 1 dollar when it comes down to buying computer stuffs, especially if you order at a shop that is located in another US state since you won't have to pay taxes).
Thats a barebones system with no input devices or display. Add those in and see how much it costs. Also with the nvidia 9500 it will be chugging with any truely current games as cod4 isn't the most demanding game around and the reason I used it as an example. Not all pc games or console games are omg cutting edge and don't need the latest and greatest gpu to run it. People on a budget know this and just get a console to browse the web or chat and play games.
Alright alright....
Custom components cheap ass gaming rig
You gotta put it together yourself but costs 270 euro's in parts (and +- 30 euro's shipping).
With a mouse AND a keyboard.
Oh and I didn't know you got a full HD TV with an X-box 360 or playstation nowadays? And before you start, no I don't have a television at home.
Still you didn't answer my question regarding any examples of non-stuttering high quality texture full HD games...
Now don't get me wrong I can understand why people like the ease of consoles but if you factor in game costs (most are much more expensive then on the PC, although the last few years the PC market has been butchered so choice is a bit limited) and stuff like buying accessorizes (for some weird reason my friends always manage to destroy their controllers every 6 months...) it really isn't cheaper then being a PC-gamer, but that in no way constitutes as a console even being in the same ballpark as PC games when it comes down to graphics. Take for example fall-out 3 both the ps3 and the xbox 360 version look like crap compared to the PC version. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
Shevar
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Posted - 2009.08.21 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Cosmic Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 21/08/2009 08:24:07 few points:
1. the aiming argument: mouse is NOT better then controller. sure it is easier to adapt to the mouse but good and experienced players know that most of the aiming is done with the movement, also called "strafe aiming". if you dont know what this is you dont belong to the experienced and good fps players, end of point. it takes maybe a bit practice to play a fps with a console controler but in the end the outcome will be the same.
2. ps3 has (dont know about the xbox) support for keyboard and mouse, it is up to ccp if they want to implement this in their game
3. pc is NOT better for gaming and PC games have NOT better graphics. take the exclusive titles, for ps3 only title uncharted is the best example(now 1 year old game), I own and played this game and it looks exactly like on those screens I found in google: screen 1 Screen 2 Screen 3 Screen 4 Screen 5 Screen 6
so far, I see no valid point against consoles.
Originally by: Shevar Take for example fall-out 3 both the ps3 and the xbox 360 version look like crap compared to the PC version.
multiplatform games are always crap in consoles, porting a game from a pc to a sophisticated specialized closed system is not easy and developers wont spend extra money on this thus they cut the game.
1) Mouse player vs analogue sticks means a very dead analogue stick player. Unless of course you know how to make a 1080 in a single jump with a gamepad (not really realistic but the main reason mouse/keyboard is better then an analogue stick is because you can turn near instantly with a mouse).
2) Only UT supported a mouse/keyboard on the PS3 afaik. And I know that because of loads of whines on a forum I frequented where gamepad players where whining about OGMWTF how did that dude turn to shoot me?!
3) What is better for gaming depends on your taste of games (but I already said pc gaming is unfortunately loosing publishers and game creators since the profit margins are higher on consoles). But really a console _CANT_ compare to a modern PC (the one I linked earlier was to show what was needed to run CoD4 on similar settings on a pc as on the xbox 360 which is rather daft tbh).
Compare for example the vegetation between uncharted (1 year old) and crysis (2 years old);
uncharted
Crysis
Oh and uncharted is not a 1080p game it's only 720p that can upscale it's output to 1080p. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
Shevar
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Posted - 2009.08.21 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
Originally by: Shevar
1) Mouse player vs analogue sticks means a very dead analogue stick player. Unless of course you know how to make a 1080 in a single jump with a gamepad (not really realistic but the main reason mouse/keyboard is better then an analogue stick is because you can turn near instantly with a mouse).
2) Only UT supported a mouse/keyboard on the PS3 afaik. And I know that because of loads of whines on a forum I frequented where gamepad players where whining about OGMWTF how did that dude turn to shoot me?!
3) What is better for gaming depends on your taste of games (but I already said pc gaming is unfortunately loosing publishers and game creators since the profit margins are higher on consoles). But really a console _CANT_ compare to a modern PC in terms of graphics (the one I linked earlier was to show what was needed to run CoD4 on similar settings on a pc as on the xbox 360 which is rather daft tbh).
Compare for example the vegetation between uncharted (1 year old) and crysis (2 years old);
uncharted
Crysis
Oh and uncharted is not a 1080p game it's only 720p that can upscale it's output to 1080p.
haha I lied actually uncharted is 2 years old :) and btw you have only 1 game that looks really awesome but to run that on such a high resolution and details you need a really expensive machine :) tried that again on a pc that costs 300Ç.
Again the 300 euro machine was to show what was needed in terms of PC to run COD4 on a similar resolution as the xbox 360. Which is 1024x600 (or in other words outdated around, errr, 14 years in terms of PC gaming. Or at least that is when I think 15 inch CRT's went out of fashion) not 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 (which is what 1080p is supposed to be) which is the current standard. Not to mention that crysis in 1600x1200 with medium settings will look better and with more details then the PS3 or xbox can ever produce.
And besides no it isn't just crisis... Nearly every game released on the PC, xbox and PS3 has the PC version looking MUCH better (notable exception is fifa but I have no idea how they manage to **** that up every year) from a game like assassins creed to fallout 3. The simple fact that the resolutions are so butchered for a console means you loose a lot of details (which you couldn't see in the first place since you are sitting 3+ meters from the tv) or you end up having very simplistic texturing (such as wipeout-hd (which still had to downscale to 720p every now and then because the ps3 couldn't keep up)).
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Shevar
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Posted - 2009.08.21 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
Originally by: Nito Musashi no tons of games look better on pc, because we can run them at higher resolutions than ps3 we can run then with AA so they not jaggy and we get moar fps. you fail at any comprehension at all.
not true, actually the ps3 can use Quincunx & Temporal AA and edge blurring.
Cars Mater-National = 1280x720 (QAA), 1920x1080 (QAA) Full Auto 2 (demo) = 1920x1080 (4x AA) 1942: Joint Strike = 1280x720 (4xAA) or 1920x1080 (2xAA)
Interested in true 1:1 pixel sized screen shots of these games to illustrate the gfx power of the PS3 (or lack there of). I can only find crappy cropped pics.
These are the only ones which are proper in terms of resolutions and AA options and I reckon they will look absolutely horrid in terms of texture quality and overall complexity. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
Shevar
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Posted - 2009.08.21 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
Originally by: Shevar Interested in true 1:1 pixel sized screen shots of these games to illustrate the gfx power of the PS3 (or lack there of). I can only find crappy cropped pics.
These are the only ones which are proper in terms of resolutions and AA options and I reckon they will look absolutely horrid in terms of texture quality and overall complexity.
reading comprehension ftw I never said those games are awesome looking, I only said that those use AA. so what those few that you have listed cost 5 bucks in the PSN store.
and thx for ignoring my other points about comparing the right games. and now show me a game that looks comparable to uncharted, except crysis that needs a maching from another world to run.
The reason I was interested in them is because of their resolution.
I'm interested in REAL 1080p screenshots (1920x1080 and up) from either the xbox or the ps3 and that list only has those titles as real high resolution games. If you know any other games that run in those reso's and you have screenshots in their native (uncropped) resolution please post em.
Far cry2?
farcry pc/ps3 comparison
Take a look at around second 45 and look at the water for example...
Fallout 3?
fallout 3 ps3 pc comparison
Most notable differences jagginess of the PS3 and the PS3 not rendering cleanly when something is far away.
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