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Naj Ymoch
Empyreal Guard
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:13:00 -
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Seriously, in a game where your survival is determined by your accuracy and speed, a joystick is the LAST thing you want to be using. All console shooters fail, which is why the console versions tend to have AUTO-AIM.
Dust will be no different. As if paying monthly for a console game isn't enough... hat's off to CCP on this one.
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serenity000
Gallente
Darkness and Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Naj Ymoch
Seriously, in a game where your survival is determined by your accuracy and speed, a joystick is the LAST thing you want to be using. All console shooters fail, which is why the console versions tend to have AUTO-AIM.
Dust will be no different. As if paying monthly for a console game isn't enough... hat's off to CCP on this one.
Actually, the smaller the part of the body you are trying to move, the faster the reaction time. Therefore thumbs > wrist.
Secondly you don't get analog control over your movement with (wasd) up/down/left/right on a keyboard so you can be a lot more accurate and either move slowly or quickly depending on what the situation demands with a joypad.
I used to play an awful lot of FPS on the PC back in the early 2000's and I was in one of the top 20 clans for a FPS similar to counterstrike called "joint ops" so its not like I'm not making sweeping statements without giving FPS on the PC a go.
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das licht
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:23:00 -
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I don't like shooters anymore. 15 years ago, yes.
I am old now. 
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Vanakov Mek'lanavar
Sileo In Pacis
The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:24:00 -
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agree, console fps suck hard. joystick is no way near the accuracy of a mouse
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eliminator2
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:26:00 -
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some of your statements are abit to harsh but what you gotta think is people ply console games for what 1-2 years? and then they go to another yet for some reason FPS on PC's get played for years and years i mean look at CS 0_0
so basicly a console game will loose moniez for ccp yet pc game will be more in long run + more stuff can be done with a pc game
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Naj Ymoch
Empyreal Guard
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:28:00 -
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Analog function aside... I agree that it's MUCH better having to switch back and forth on your 'joy'pad between any combination of Move, Look and Action-buttons. It's like needing three hands.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: eliminator2
some of your statements are abit to harsh but what you gotta think is people ply console games for what 1-2 years? and then they go to another yet for some reason FPS on PC's get played for years and years i mean look at CS 0_0
so basicly a console game will loose moniez for ccp yet pc game will be more in long run + more stuff can be done with a pc game
If Dust does die off after a year or so, CCP will probably make a PC version in a last-ditch attempt to get EVE players to subscribe to it.
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jagoff
Cosmic Cakes
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:28:00 -
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i am the opposite... i've never been able to use a mouse for FPS. i need the dual-joystick control to kick ass in a FPS.
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temponita
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: das licht
I don't like shooters anymore. 15 years ago, yes.
I am old now.
Same here, though I still have a soft spot for them.
It all started around the Wolfenstein 3D era, but things really seemed to take hold when Counterstrike made it's mark.
Still.. I don't mind a little FPS once in awhile, and it certainly takes the edge of the monotony of Eve at times. Though I really have my doubts on console success. An interesting thing about console play too. My stats go way up when I'm sitting at the PC vs. as console. Perhaps it's the position and posture or just the fact that it provides me with a more focused setup than a console. Either way, I prefer the PC. So I really hope CCP will look at implementing Dust on the PC sooner rather than later.
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LordSwift
Caldari
Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: LordSwift on 20/08/2009 16:31:59
CCP have not denied a pc version. They just would not comment on it. It could mean many things. To be honest we dont know enough about Dust 514 to make any sort of judgement about it. 5 minute video is no basis on what looks to be awesome game to play outside of eve.
Edit - Also playing fps on consoles takes a bit of getting used to but i play cod4/5 now quite easily and do quite well. Besides i think you can plug a mouse and keyboard into xbox/ps3 easily and still play
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 20/08/2009 16:32:33
I agree FPS suck on consoles. Mouse and keyboard set up is way better and more accurate.
Not to mention most console kiddies have very short attention spans and they are likely to only play a game until the next new thing comes out. PC gamers tend to be more loyal and play their games long term.
Also if I'm not mistaken, consoles are limited by only a handful of players on any game are they not? Like 8 to 10 max?
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: LordSwift
CCP have not denied a pc version. They just would not comment on it. It could mean many things. To be honest we dont know enough about Dust 514 to make any sort of judgement about it. 5 minute video is no basis on what looks to be awesome game to play outside of eve.
Err, I'm pretty sure they clearly stated it was console-only. They only said "we won't comment" when asked about why there wasn't going to be a PC version.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:33:00 -
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They're starting to realize how terrible aiming with a little knob is, and releasing mouse type things, but all in all, consoles have been obsolete for years now that everyone has computers. I'm amazed they've lasted this long, and judging by how none of the companies are planning on making another console, i think this is probably the last real generation of them.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: serenity000
Secondly you don't get analog control over your movement with (wasd) up/down/left/right on a keyboard so you can be a lot more accurate and either move slowly or quickly depending on what the situation demands with a joypad.
I used to play an awful lot of FPS on the PC back in the early 2000's and I was in one of the top 20 clans for a FPS similar to counterstrike called "joint ops" so its not like I'm not making sweeping statements without giving FPS on the PC a go.
The advantage of a mouse is yaw and pitch. A keyboard/mouse player can run circles around a console player in an FPS any day. The idea that you can move your thumb faster than your wrist cause it is smaller is debatable. But even if it were true, the fact that the console's granularity over yaw and pitch is set, where as the mouse player can manipulate yaw and pitch granularity on the fly.
Anyways, to the real topic. Dust on Console is good for the mere fact that it is less likely to be hacked. There's plenty of players on Eve that would hack the PC version of Dust if they could. All these hack protectors and bot guards and all that crap is useless against any kernel mode code of which there is plenty.
I for one won't play Dust as I can't stand consoles, cause they're too itty bitty and too darn slow. I've played against Halo players, PC versus Console, no not gonna say how, and the PC players always won.
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LordSwift
Caldari
Fearless Phantoms Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mutnin
I agree FPS suck on consoles. Mouse and keyboard set up is way better and more accurate.
Not to mention most console kiddies have very short attention spans and they are likely to only play a game until the next new thing comes out. PC gamers tend to be more loyal and play their games long term.
Not quite true. My brother is 13 and he and his mates have played cod4/5 enough to prestige the maximum amount of times. That takes ages. Some kids can play for several hours. So dont tarnish everyone with the same brush. 
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Ivana Twinkle
Amarr
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:34:00 -
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Yea, but it will suck equally for everyone, thus status quo is retained.
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Hoo Is
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mutnin
Edited by: Mutnin on 20/08/2009 16:32:33
I agree FPS suck on consoles. Mouse and keyboard set up is way better and more accurate.
Not to mention most console kiddies have very short attention spans and they are likely to only play a game until the next new thing comes out. PC gamers tend to be more loyal and play their games long term.
I still have some PC games that came out in 1995, I have had to dig up a box with Windows ME on it to get them to run.
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Corozan Aspinall
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:35:00 -
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Funny how all these console haters own consoles. But they don't use them, honest.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Squirrel Team
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:37:00 -
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If only Dust was 'just another FPS.'
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IceAero
Amarr
Shadow Company
THE KLINGONS
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:40:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe that most console shooters are not made for the console for one of four reasons:
1) Agreements with the publisher to only release the game for one specific console
2) Lack of resources to recode the game to perform on non-specific hardware
3) Inability to develop a game is that able to compete in the PC market where consumers spend less money on games
4) Online games where the ability to develop cross-platform integration isn't possible (aka, anyone with a mouse will run circles around someone using an xbox controller so the games must be separate)
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Thaylon Sen
Critical-Mass
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:41:00 -
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By the sounds of it, I must be the only person in the world that prefers FPS on a console. Gears of War, CoD, Rainbow Six etc etc, played them all on my 360 and not my PC, much prefer it.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Corozan Aspinall
Funny how all these console haters own consoles. But they don't use them, honest.
I <3 my ps3 but I don't own a single ps3 game for it. I use it as my livingroom internats terminal and blu-ray player. Well I do have a few arcady shooty games I got from the online store but I don't count those as a true ps3 game. As far as a console for fps games well if ccp is smart they will have mouse and keyboard support added in to the game. That way console gamers can just go out and buy a super cheap usb kb/mouse combo and be competitive vs the pc players.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:44:00 -
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So pressure them to include mouse and keyboard support then.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
... if ccp is smart they will have mouse and keyboard support added in to the game. That way console gamers can just go out and buy a super cheap usb kb/mouse combo and be competitive vs the pc players.
This is a guess of course, but Dust and Pod pilots can meet up in Stations (WIS). If they want them to be able to communicate well, there's going to need to be support for a keyboard of some kind.
Trying to chat with a console pad, clicking letters on some on screen keyboard, although could work would be slow beyond annoying. Eve voice maybe, but not everyone uses that.
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DayWalker48
Alpha-Squadron
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:47:00 -
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Stop whining. Consider what DUST 514 will do for you. It will allow you to hire real people to take over planets for you and gain you soviernty[sp]. Who cares?!?! No one is asking you to play it the only thing theyre asking you to do is use(hire) them to get things done for you in the eve universe. You dont have to play it, hell you don't even have to hire them and worry about them at all. Use them or don't, just stop complaining. None of you even know enough about the game to make a judgement in the first place. If you like FPS try dust out, if not try EVE Online, either way you can still be a part of eve. And yes you can connect a MOUSE AND KEYBOARD via the usb ports on ALL the new consoles so that debate is ******ed, i dont even know why u guys are talking about that one...
But seriously stop with all the end all be all judgements when all any of you know for sure is that you don't know anything at all at this point until Oct 1st-3rd....
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Daquell
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:48:00 -
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well I think dust looks like a really good game but there are a few problems 1st what if people who own consoles play it and don't end up liking it that will effect the game play of eve online and what would happen if no one played it then how will the game work out for the eve players.2nd It would be good if they could make it for the pc market because why not? it would sell but anther problem is that would they integrate dust into eve and just make it one big game for eve online players because I don't think they would and I wouldent be happy on paying another monthly fee! too play the same game!
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Bidermaier
Amarr
Devil's Cast-a-ways
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Bidermaier on 20/08/2009 16:51:04
Originally by: serenity000
Actually, the smaller the part of the body you are trying to move, the faster the reaction time. Therefore thumbs > wrist.
Secondly you don't get analog control over your movement with (wasd) up/down/left/right on a keyboard so you can be a lot more accurate and either move slowly or quickly depending on what the situation demands with a joypad.
Yeah that is why turn wheels in cars are only 1 cm long. Wait. NO
And I tell you why. Precission > Reaction time
You are right with the AWSD controls being digital while consoles having analog. But that is underused in consoles, maybe because the precission in thubmsticks is once again, poor. I only find it useful in steath situations.
Originally by: serenity000
I used to play an awful lot of FPS on the PC back in the early 2000's and I was in one of the top 20 clans for a FPS similar to counterstrike called "joint ops" so its not like I'm not making sweeping statements without giving FPS on the PC a go.
Well it looks like you, like many other players (including me), have just got old and cant longer cope with a hardcore FPS. You preffer to lay down on your confy couch while the console autoaims for you.
The problem is believing that your current choice is just the best one.
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Zed Jackelope
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Naj Ymoch
I want to be able to aimbot/wallhack and can't do this on a console game!
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Thaylon Sen
By the sounds of it, I must be the only person in the world that prefers FPS on a console. Gears of War, CoD, Rainbow Six etc etc, played them all on my 360 and not my PC, much prefer it.
I just dont care. Honestly halo is one of the only fps games where I realy felt something while playing it. Im not too sure how to describe it but not even fps PC games "feel right" to me.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:51:00 -
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The PS3 does support mouse and keyboard input, question is, will CCP be clever enough to make use of it?
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