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nails
Caldari
Ota Corps
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:53:00 -
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Anyone that plays an overly complex game or FPS with a console controler fails at life.
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:02:00 -
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First of all not all FPS games on the console have auto aim. Second, both keyboard/mouse and dual analog controller are equally accurate, the center of your screen is where the bullet goes. Just because you are better at FPS with one does not mean that it is superior to the other. I can play all day on a keyboard and mouse setup and then switch to my 360 and do equally well on that also.
Personally though I find Keyboard and mouse to be more restrictive in some situations. Examples are when you are sniping and have to pick up the mouse and move it back to continue tracking people. Quick 180/360 degree turns, unless the developer decided to add a quick key for about face. Limited button pushes on mouse hand causing keyboard hand to do more work.
Now a trackball is the way to play FPS. If you get good with that it truly is superior to both mouse and analog sticks.
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Telore Dragonsun
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Telore Dragonsun on 20/08/2009 17:10:57
Edited by: Telore Dragonsun on 20/08/2009 17:10:36
Or maybe just maybe...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8080511.stm
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Telore Dragonsun
Edited by: Telore Dragonsun on 20/08/2009 17:10:57
Edited by: Telore Dragonsun on 20/08/2009 17:10:36
Or maybe just maybe...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8080511.stm
Yeah I forgot about project Natal as well. Now that would be awesome if it worked.
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B1FF
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:16:00 -
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With console controllers you waste 4-6 fingers, depending on your grip style, on simply holding the controller.
As for the wrist vs thumb arguement. That's moot. Alter your sensitivity and the wrist is moving less than the thumb.
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Mutnin
Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac
First of all not all FPS games on the console have auto aim. Second, both keyboard/mouse and dual analog controller are equally accurate, the center of your screen is where the bullet goes. Just because you are better at FPS with one does not mean that it is superior to the other. I can play all day on a keyboard and mouse setup and then switch to my 360 and do equally well on that also.
Personally though I find Keyboard and mouse to be more restrictive in some situations. Examples are when you are sniping and have to pick up the mouse and move it back to continue tracking people. Quick 180/360 degree turns, unless the developer decided to add a quick key for about face. Limited button pushes on mouse hand causing keyboard hand to do more work.
Now a trackball is the way to play FPS. If you get good with that it truly is superior to both mouse and analog sticks.
Logitech Tracball mouse is the best thing you can use for FPS..
http://www.mrgadget.com.au/uploaded_images/Logitech_marble_mouse_trackball_blog-749054.jpg
Draw back is it's only a 2 button mouse but the accuracy and ease of use in FPS make it the best set up IMO. I've been using one since way back with Rainbow 6.
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Cpt Branko
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:20:00 -
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Console FPS is stupid; a console-only FPS which influences a PC game is the act of a moron.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:32:00 -
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I wonder if any of the decision makers at CCP actually spend a couple days (not minutes) trying to play existing FPS with console controllers. And then also try play PC based FPS, just for comparison.
Probably not.
But it's too late now anyway, CCP don't take player base seriously. |
hired goon
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Psiri
The PS3 does support mouse and keyboard input, question is, will CCP be clever enough to make use of it?
Oh my god I had no idea! The thought of me buying a console suddenly seems much less inconceivable! Do you have much more info on this? How many games support it?? |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
Originally by: Psiri
The PS3 does support mouse and keyboard input, question is, will CCP be clever enough to make use of it?
Oh my god I had no idea! The thought of me buying a console suddenly seems much less inconceivable! Do you have much more info on this? How many games support it??
Not many, mainly because people are too busy hurling insults from their entrenched positions in the PC-vs-Console war to actually put some pressure on the game developers to give the customers what they want.
UT3 is the big poster child for the funcitonality, though. |
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hired goon
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac
First of all not all FPS games on the console have auto aim. Second, both keyboard/mouse and dual analog controller are equally accurate, the center of your screen is where the bullet goes. Just because you are better at FPS with one does not mean that it is superior to the other.
I contest this. In the few instances FPS players using joypad / mouse & keyboard have been pitted against one another, the latter are always more effective, and will more frequently win. |
Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:39:00 -
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This thread is SUCK. |
Urgg Boolean
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy
The advantage of a mouse is yaw and pitch. A keyboard/mouse player can run circles around a console player in an FPS any day. The idea that you can move your thumb faster than your wrist cause it is smaller is debatable. But even if it were true, the fact that the console's granularity over yaw and pitch is set, where as the mouse player can manipulate yaw and pitch granularity on the fly.
I know a lot of people hate them, but thumb-based trackball mice rock over standard roller or optical mice any day of the week. The best of both worlds: pitch and yaw, and the faster physics of thumb vs. wrist. Left hand on the hot keys/WASD as needed, and right hand/thumb on the trackball FTW.
On the thread's topic, this console thing seems like a solar powered flashlight, in terms of radically incompatible technologies, and in this case, players. Technologically it can be implemented, but actual usage seems almost bizarre to contemplate.
On the other hand, it is visionary. That does not mean, however, it is workable or that people will like it. They indicated a two year time line for Dust (IIRC). Who knows what the competition will do in that time frame to answer the Dust equation. As an analogy, CCP is out in 0.0 space, alone, on this one. Their competitors will behave accordingly, and will either take advantage of their foolhardiness, or be obliterated by their singular awesomeness. |
AngelFood
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:42:00 -
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Agree.
This is a very big and strange mistake
I also gave up console's a) Because pc fps is 100% better in every respect b) because xbox live ruined online fps and consoles forever and c) because i found eve online!
So this spells the end for eve online. especially having that fail console world affecting our eve online! meh |
AngelFood
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:44:00 -
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Evidently 'sony' or some other noob money oriented entertainment corporation has got its claws into ccp
maybe
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nails
Caldari
Ota Corps
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: nails on 20/08/2009 17:47:45
Originally by: AngelFood
Evidently 'sony' or some other noob money oriented entertainment corporation has got its claws into ccp
maybe
If anyone was paying out money it would be Microsoft, they have been tossing money out like toilet paper in an attempt to buy out sony's entire exclusivity market. Sony on the other hand, has been sitting back and doing what they always do. They haven't been very aggressive with game contracts, instead focusing on the PS3's future. one of these days people will realize that the xbox still runs on DVD, and can only run games at 720p.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: nails
Edited by: nails on 20/08/2009 17:47:45
Originally by: AngelFood
Evidently 'sony' or some other noob money oriented entertainment corporation has got its claws into ccp
maybe
If anyone was paying out money it would be Microsoft, they have been tossing money out like toilet paper in an attempt to buy out sony's entire exclusivity market. Sony on the other hand, has been sitting back and doing what they always do. They haven't been very aggressive with game contracts, instead focusing on the PS3's future. one of these days people will realize that the xbox still runs on DVD, and can only run games at 720p.
Indeed. From what I can tell the 360 has about reached its development potential but the ps3 has barely even pushed the lower limits of what it is capable of doing. I mean a guy linked 8 ps3 together into a honest to god supercomputer that outperforms the huge exspensive commercial rigs. Try that with a 360. 
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Naj Ymoch
Empyreal Guard
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:44:00 -
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Hard-drives, mice, keyboards... how is this not a dumbed-down computer? What is the point anymore of continuing these? Even PCs themselves can run into your TV now. Newer consoles are only a way of suckering an insane amount of money out of a gamer who doesn't want to be labeled a 'geek' or 'loser' by owning a PC.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Naj Ymoch
Hard-drives, mice, keyboards... how is this not a dumbed-down computer? What is the point anymore of continuing these? Even PCs themselves can run into your TV now. Newer consoles are only a way of suckering an insane amount of money out of a gamer who doesn't want to be labeled a 'geek' or 'loser' by owning a PC.
Because a $300 console at launch is the equivalent of the current $1000 gaming rig. Try to play high quality games on a $300 computer. 
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Drunk Guardian
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Naj Ymoch
Seriously, in a game where your survival is determined by your accuracy and speed, a joystick is the LAST thing you want to be using. All console shooters fail, which is why the console versions tend to have AUTO-AIM.
Dust will be no different. As if paying monthly for a console game isn't enough... hat's off to CCP on this one.
Speak for yourself, there are many out there who love FPS. I think Dust 514 is going to be a brilliant and fun addition to the EvE arsenal. If you don't like it, then surprise, don't play it. Don't dump on everyone elses parade who actually is excited for this.
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Naj Ymoch
Empyreal Guard
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:56:00 -
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http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/asus-x83vb-x2/4505-3121_7-33496180.html
$500 new.
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Bidermaier
Amarr
Devil's Cast-a-ways
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Because a $300 console at launch is the equivalent of the current $1000 gaming rig. Try to play high quality games on a $300 computer.
Welcome to 2009. Any ****y graphic card under $99 will beat any console.
Also console games are more expensive.
Also its nice to know that in a few years you wont need to rescue a machine from a closet to replay a game.
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Arushia
Nova Labs
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Arushia on 20/08/2009 19:01:24
Originally by: hired goon
Originally by: Psiri
The PS3 does support mouse and keyboard input, question is, will CCP be clever enough to make use of it?
Oh my god I had no idea! The thought of me buying a console suddenly seems much less inconceivable! Do you have much more info on this? How many games support it??
Sadly, just Unreal Tournament 3.
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Naj Ymoch
Empyreal Guard
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Guardian
Speak for yourself, there are many out there who love FPS. I think Dust 514 is going to be a brilliant and fun addition to the EvE arsenal. If you don't like it, then surprise, don't play it. Don't dump on everyone elses parade who actually is excited for this.
Let me get a few things straight... CCP is pouring ALL of their development resources into this. They assume we won't mind because we're going to 'benefit' from this content that we don't get access to, even though we're paying for it. And it's because they're fully focusing their entire company on this that we will no doubt be delayed on any focus for EVE.
I have a right to dump on this.
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Drunk Guardian
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Naj Ymoch
Originally by: Drunk Guardian
Speak for yourself, there are many out there who love FPS. I think Dust 514 is going to be a brilliant and fun addition to the EvE arsenal. If you don't like it, then surprise, don't play it. Don't dump on everyone elses parade who actually is excited for this.
Let me get a few things straight... CCP is pouring ALL of their development resources into this. They assume we won't mind because we're going to 'benefit' from this content that we don't get access to, even though we're paying for it. And it's because they're fully focusing their entire company on this that we will no doubt be delayed on any focus for EVE.
I have a right to dump on this.
You do have a right to dump on this, however you're also dumping on the hordes of people who do want this. Your attitude is that the rest of us shouldn't get what we want because it's not necessarily what you want. As far as I can tell, there's still going to be expansions every fall and spring, they're still going to be great, and they're still going to continue to improve EvE, which btw, is the best game available right now. The QQ is strong with you.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Naj Ymoch
Let me get a few things straight... CCP is pouring ALL of their development resources into this.
No.
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They assume we won't mind because we're going to 'benefit' from this content that we don't get access to, even though we're paying for it.
Like all software development, so no.
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And it's because they're fully focusing their entire company on this
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that we will no doubt be delayed on any focus for EVE.
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I have a right to dump on this.
Now that we've got your misconceptions straightened out, no.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Bidermaier
Originally by: Zeba
Because a $300 console at launch is the equivalent of the current $1000 gaming rig. Try to play high quality games on a $300 computer.
Welcome to 2009. Any ****y graphic card under $99 will beat any console.
Also console games are more expensive.
Also its nice to know that in a few years you wont need to rescue a machine from a closet to replay a game.
That only applies to people who already have a pc. I challenge you right now to go out and find a brand new $300 pc that performs the same as a ps3 for games. Ain't happening. 
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Bidermaier
Amarr
Devil's Cast-a-ways
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:12:00 -
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Yeah but that does not explain why the game is not being ported to PC since PC is normally the most flexible platform, the easiest to port to.
PC is also the developing platform.
It looks like its a strategic decision. It seems tat CCP does not want console gamers to identify dust as a PC thing being ported over to consoles.
We are left aside by a pure strategic reason. And that sucks. They are no longer behaving like an indie company. And that is worrying since that is the main reason EVE is great.
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Adarr
Caldari
g guild
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:17:00 -
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Whine much?
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Michwich
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Guardian
Originally by: Naj Ymoch
Originally by: Drunk Guardian
Speak for yourself, there are many out there who love FPS. I think Dust 514 is going to be a brilliant and fun addition to the EvE arsenal. If you don't like it, then surprise, don't play it. Don't dump on everyone elses parade who actually is excited for this.
Let me get a few things straight... CCP is pouring ALL of their development resources into this. They assume we won't mind because we're going to 'benefit' from this content that we don't get access to, even though we're paying for it. And it's because they're fully focusing their entire company on this that we will no doubt be delayed on any focus for EVE.
I have a right to dump on this.
You do have a right to dump on this, however you're also dumping on the hordes of people who do want this. Your attitude is that the rest of us shouldn't get what we want because it's not necessarily what you want. As far as I can tell, there's still going to be expansions every fall and spring, they're still going to be great, and they're still going to continue to improve EvE, which btw, is the best game available right now. The QQ is strong with you.
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