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Michwich	Posted - 2009.08.20 19:19:00 - [61] Edited by: Michwich on 20/08/2009 19:24:22 Edited by: Michwich on 20/08/2009 19:20:14 Originally by: Drunk Guardian Originally by: Naj Ymoch Originally by: Drunk Guardian Speak for yourself, there are many out there who love FPS. I think Dust 514 is going to be a brilliant and fun addition to the EvE arsenal. If you don't like it, then surprise, don't play it. Don't dump on everyone elses parade who actually is excited for this. Let me get a few things straight... CCP is pouring ALL of their development resources into this. They assume we won't mind because we're going to 'benefit' from this content that we don't get access to, even though we're paying for it. And it's because they're fully focusing their entire company on this that we will no doubt be delayed on any focus for EVE. I have a right to dump on this. You do have a right to dump on this, however you're also dumping on the hordes of people who do want this. Your attitude is that the rest of us shouldn't get what we want because it's not necessarily what you want. As far as I can tell, there's still going to be expansions every fall and spring, they're still going to be great, and they're still going to continue to improve EvE, which btw, is the best game available right now. The QQ is strong with you. What hordes of people want this? I know PC FPS player dont (myself included because its on console), console players? I doubt it, why would they want to pay monthly for a sci fi fps when they got plenty to choose from to play for free which are done well. The only crowd left is the hardcore current EVE crowd wholl buy anytyhing Eve and even a console. Good luck. But back on topic. PC's can do so much more so the price is justified. They can also play games, better. Theres more people with PC's than consoles too so I dont buy the argument thats where all the money is. Eventually everyones gonna have a PC that can run basic fps graphics so why not make it there? Key is BASIC graphics, see WoW. That game had no problem attracting a noob crowd to a new type of game on a PC.
Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.08.20 19:19:00 - [62] Originally by: Bidermaier PC is normally the most flexible platform More flexible = more unpredictability = more things that can go wrong = more complex. Quote: the easiest to port to. Entirely depends what the original code base is on. Quote: PC is also the developing platform. Makes no difference. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Forge Trader	Posted - 2009.08.20 19:58:00 - [63] None of us know yet what Dust has in store for EvE. Shouldn't we be told pretty quick, dont you think, if we are to have any input at all into the new gameplay? I will not play any console game, Dust or otherwise. My choice. I hope that Dust's effect on Eve gameplay ("will affect sovereignty") [meaning?] is truly minimal. If not, I will retire my Eve characters, and move on. My choice. CCp's financial loss (three accounts, multi year player).
Ephemeron North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.20 20:12:00 - [64] Originally by: Forge Trader None of us know yet what Dust has in store for EvE. Shouldn't we be told pretty quick, dont you think, if we are to have any input at all into the new gameplay? I will not play any console game, Dust or otherwise. My choice. I hope that Dust's effect on Eve gameplay ("will affect sovereignty") [meaning?] is truly minimal. If not, I will retire my Eve characters, and move on. My choice. CCp's financial loss (three accounts, multi year player). Unfortunately for you, out of purely financial reasoning, you are irrelevant. 80% of all players are high sec empire dwelling carebears - they couldn't care less about 0.0 alliances. So even if all the alliance players quit due to lack of territory control, CCP loses much less money than they stand to gain from all the console players. And once all the hardcore people leave 0.0 out of boredom, they'll have 1000s of isk farmer Ravens move in. EVE Online will be one giant isk farm.
Forge Trader	Posted - 2009.08.20 20:30:00 - [65] Epheremon: I hope your preview of the future is wrong. But, we have no information from CCP to know one way or the other. BTW, has everyone noticed the fanaticism with which questions about Dust is being removed from these forums? Someone is either very scared, or has a lot of money invested in what is coming down, and wants no pesky questions about it.
Amitious Turkey Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation	Posted - 2009.08.20 21:46:00 - [66] Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Forge Trader None of us know yet what Dust has in store for EvE. Shouldn't we be told pretty quick, dont you think, if we are to have any input at all into the new gameplay? I will not play any console game, Dust or otherwise. My choice. I hope that Dust's effect on Eve gameplay ("will affect sovereignty") [meaning?] is truly minimal. If not, I will retire my Eve characters, and move on. My choice. CCp's financial loss (three accounts, multi year player). Unfortunately for you, out of purely financial reasoning, you are irrelevant. 80% of all players are high sec empire dwelling carebears - they couldn't care less about 0.0 alliances. So even if all the alliance players quit due to lack of territory control, CCP loses much less money than they stand to gain from all the console players. And once all the hardcore people leave 0.0 out of boredom, they'll have 1000s of isk farmer Ravens move in. EVE Online will be one giant isk farm. Not that your argument isn't valid, but this is what people have said over many of the changes EVE has gone through... BECAUSE OF FALCONDUST! Originally by: CCP Navigator We love you all as well <3 GO NAVIGATOR <3
Jit ah	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:26:00 - [67] so buy a mouse and keyboard accessory to your xbox and pwn all the slow-turning controller players (duh?)
Ephemeron North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:30:00 - [68] Originally by: Jit ah so buy a mouse and keyboard accessory to your xbox and pwn all the slow-turning controller players (duh?) It's not going to work if CCP does not design a game for that type of input handling. And by the looks of it, they specifically said they are designing it for console controller. Just cause you can plug in a mouse, doesn't mean you can aim your gun with it.
Reneg Destir	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:39:00 - [69] Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Jit ah so buy a mouse and keyboard accessory to your xbox and pwn all the slow-turning controller players (duh?) It's not going to work if CCP does not design a game for that type of input handling. And by the looks of it, they specifically said they are designing it for console controller. Just cause you can plug in a mouse, doesn't mean you can aim your gun with it. Linkage
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:42:00 - [70] please only reason all the haters is cause you all suck major flabby donkey ****

Anomandaris Draginpurake	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:49:00 - [71] Originally by: Kelban Kevar please only reason all the haters is cause you all suck major flabby donkey **** This. It makes me feel dirty all over to get embroiled in what is essentially a PC vs Console debate, but how about you "hardcore" PC FPS enthusiasts go back to point and click adventure games, since that's basically what an FPS is to you. And as for all the rage quits, stop having tantrums. And if you do go, can I have your stuff?
Kelban Kevar Gallente The Order of Black Knights SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.08.20 22:54:00 - [72] Originally by: Anomandaris Draginpurake Originally by: Kelban Kevar please only reason all the haters is cause you all suck major flabby donkey **** This. It makes me feel dirty all over to get embroiled in what is essentially a PC vs Console debate, but how about you "hardcore" PC FPS enthusiasts go back to point and click adventure games, since that's basically what an FPS is to you. And as for all the rage quits, stop having tantrums. And if you do go, can I have your stuff? rage.that would be all caps and !!!!.... that post is simple makeing fun of them cause they do suck is why they hate consoles its not point and click its more reactionary,ir ya have terribale hand eye co-ord your gonna fail at playing console games.
mcnuggetlol Amarr The Penumbra Initiative	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:18:00 - [73] I like console shooters vv
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation	Posted - 2009.08.20 23:25:00 - [74] in before the move to out of pod experience. -------------------------- WTB a sig, or moderation of my sig by all the hot CCP girls.
Kravick Drasani	Posted - 2009.08.21 04:57:00 - [75] Originally by: Zeba Because a $300 console at launch is the equivalent of the current $1000 gaming rig. Try to play high quality games on a $300 computer. The PS3 was $600 at launch. Its $300 now. I know they have different HD sizes and configurations (one of the "low end" PS3s has certain games that don't work on it or something) that have varying prices. Still, $300 is a far cry from the $600 they actually where. Consoles when they released didn't even have state of the art graphics cards. A cheap ass $99 graphic card now spanks any console on the market now. IMO, consoles are for people who are too stupid to operate a computer or those who want platform specific titles (like Smash Brothers for the Wii). - How to kill interceptors: Zip down your fly and release. After about 10 orbits your stream just might hit him. Or a multi webbed Rapier should slow him down enough that you can drop #2 on him.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:04:00 - [76] Originally by: Kravick Drasani Originally by: Zeba Because a $300 console at launch is the equivalent of the current $1000 gaming rig. Try to play high quality games on a $300 computer. The PS3 was $600 at launch. Its $300 now. I know they have different HD sizes and configurations (one of the "low end" PS3s has certain games that don't work on it or something) that have varying prices. Still, $300 is a far cry from the $600 they actually where. Consoles when they released didn't even have state of the art graphics cards. A cheap ass $99 graphic card now spanks any console on the market now. IMO, consoles are for people who are too stupid to operate a computer or those who want platform specific titles (like Smash Brothers for the Wii). Point still stands. Try building a complete gaming rig that runs current games for $300. CoD4 on a 360 hooked up to an hdmi hdtv looks and plays just like cod4 on a pc. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Shevar Minmatar Target Practice incorporated	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:09:00 - [77] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Kravick Drasani Originally by: Zeba Because a $300 console at launch is the equivalent of the current $1000 gaming rig. Try to play high quality games on a $300 computer. The PS3 was $600 at launch. Its $300 now. I know they have different HD sizes and configurations (one of the "low end" PS3s has certain games that don't work on it or something) that have varying prices. Still, $300 is a far cry from the $600 they actually where. Consoles when they released didn't even have state of the art graphics cards. A cheap ass $99 graphic card now spanks any console on the market now. IMO, consoles are for people who are too stupid to operate a computer or those who want platform specific titles (like Smash Brothers for the Wii). Point still stands. Try building a complete gaming rig that runs current games for $300. CoD4 on a 360 hooked up to an hdmi hdtv looks and plays just like cod4 on a pc. I can put together a 300 dollar box that can run CoD4 fluently in 1024x600. **** I can buy a second hand computer for half that and still run it fluently. http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/22/call-of-duty-4-not-hd-only-600p-claim-pixel-counters/ --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:20:00 - [78] Originally by: Shevar I can put together a 300 dollar box that can run CoD4 fluently in 1024x600. ** I can buy a second hand computer for half that and still run it fluently. http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/22/call-of-duty-4-not-hd-only-600p-claim-pixel-counters/ So now you are stuck with a computer that fails at worst or is adequate at best as a current gaming platform when the 360 will still be able to field current games for years to come due to its lower resolution and dedicated efficient hardware. This isn't even taking into consideration the ps3 which is vastly underused in total graphics potential by current developers due to the difficulty in getting the most out of the system whilst still beating the 360 into the dust. Also please link to that pc build. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY ** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Shevar Minmatar Target Practice incorporated	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:53:00 - [79] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Shevar I can put together a 300 dollar box that can run CoD4 fluently in 1024x600. ** I can buy a second hand computer for half that and still run it fluently. http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/22/call-of-duty-4-not-hd-only-600p-claim-pixel-counters/ So now you are stuck with a computer that fails at worst or is adequate at best as a current gaming platform when the 360 will still be able to field current games for years to come due to its lower resolution and dedicated efficient hardware. This isn't even taking into consideration the ps3 which is vastly underused in total graphics potential by current developers due to the difficulty in getting the most out of the system whilst still beating the 360 into the dust. Also please link to that pc build. The 360 is using 4 year old PC hardware it really isn't very efficient in the sense as you proclaim it to be. As for the ps3 it WAS impressive when it came out (and here in the Netherlands the introduction price was MUCH closer to 1200 dollars then to the 600 dollars mentioned earlier) and it was overtaken by 1k costing desktops within 8 months. Show me a single true HD title (as in running 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 NAIVELY) that doesn't stutter or looks like ** on any console.... Even crappy looking titles such as Wipeout HD (take a look at the awesome complex texturing in this screen shot for example http://www.digitalfoundry.org/blogfiles/wipeout1920-1.jpg) need to downscale to prevent stuttering. As for a link to a 300 dollar/euro system that can run COD4 with the same details as an Xbox360 (actually more then that even); https://www.afuture.nl/artikel.php?id=1531 If you would build it yourself you can stay at the 300 euro ballpark (and yes even with the crap dollar 1 euro is still 1 dollar when it comes down to buying computer stuffs, especially if you order at a shop that is located in another US state since you won't have to pay taxes). --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.08.21 06:11:00 - [80] Edited by: Zeba on 21/08/2009 06:11:23 Originally by: Shevar The 360 is using 4 year old PC hardware it really isn't very efficient in the sense as you proclaim it to be. The 360 might have 4 year old hardware but as it is seamlessly integrated you can get alot moar out of it as it ages than you can a pc card. Originally by: Shevar Show me a single true HD title (as in running 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 NAIVELY) that doesn't stutter or looks like ** on any console.... Even crappy looking titles such as Wipeout HD (take a look at the awesome complex texturing in this screen shot for example http://www.digitalfoundry.org/blogfiles/wipeout1920-1.jpg) need to downscale to prevent stuttering. Well as far as the ps3 stuttering I run it in 1080p mode on my lg70 and all the game demos I have tried ran flawlessly with no stuttering so dunno what you are talking about. Hell at times I think it plays smoother than my near current rig with the 9800gtx+ oc. Originally by:** Shevar As for a link to a 300 dollar/euro system that can run COD4 with the same details as an Xbox360 (actually more then that even); https://www.afuture.nl/artikel.php?id=1531 If you would build it yourself you can stay at the 300 euro ballpark (and yes even with the crap dollar 1 euro is still 1 dollar when it comes down to buying computer stuffs, especially if you order at a shop that is located in another US state since you won't have to pay taxes). Thats a barebones system with no input devices or display. Add those in and see how much it costs. Also with the nvidia 9500 it will be chugging with any truely current games as cod4 isn't the most demanding game around and the reason I used it as an example. Not all pc games or console games are omg cutting edge and don't need the latest and greatest gpu to run it. People on a budget know this and just get a console to browse the web or chat and play games. Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING

Valorous Bob Locusts.	Posted - 2009.08.21 06:20:00 - [81] Originally by: Mutnin Also if I'm not mistaken, consoles are limited by only a handful of players on any game are they not? Like 8 to 10 max? Absolutely not. 16 is max in Halo 3, i believe its 18 for CoD4, and much more (like 30 or something) for games like Battlefield and Frontlines: Fuel of War. Although thats nothing compared to the glory that is a 64 player game of BF2 on the PC. _______________________________________________ Originally by: Governor LePetomane You know who I can't stand? Explorers. Smug, invisible bastards.
Shevar Minmatar Target Practice incorporated	Posted - 2009.08.21 06:41:00 - [82] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 21/08/2009 06:11:23 Originally by: Shevar The 360 is using 4 year old PC hardware it really isn't very efficient in the sense as you proclaim it to be. The 360 might have 4 year old hardware but as it is seamlessly integrated you can get alot moar out of it as it ages than you can a pc card. Originally by: Shevar Show me a single true HD title (as in running 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 NAIVELY) that doesn't stutter or looks like ** on any console.... Even crappy looking titles such as Wipeout HD (take a look at the awesome complex texturing in this screen shot for example http://www.digitalfoundry.org/blogfiles/wipeout1920-1.jpg) need to downscale to prevent stuttering. Well as far as the ps3 stuttering I run it in 1080p mode on my lg70 and all the game demos I have tried ran flawlessly with no stuttering so dunno what you are talking about. Hell at times I think it plays smoother than my near current rig with the 9800gtx+ oc. Originally by:** Shevar As for a link to a 300 dollar/euro system that can run COD4 with the same details as an Xbox360 (actually more then that even); https://www.afuture.nl/artikel.php?id=1531 If you would build it yourself you can stay at the 300 euro ballpark (and yes even with the crap dollar 1 euro is still 1 dollar when it comes down to buying computer stuffs, especially if you order at a shop that is located in another US state since you won't have to pay taxes). Thats a barebones system with no input devices or display. Add those in and see how much it costs. Also with the nvidia 9500 it will be chugging with any truely current games as cod4 isn't the most demanding game around and the reason I used it as an example. Not all pc games or console games are omg cutting edge and don't need the latest and greatest gpu to run it. People on a budget know this and just get a console to browse the web or chat and play games. Alright alright.... Custom components cheap ass gaming rig You gotta put it together yourself but costs 270 euro's in parts (and +- 30 euro's shipping). With a mouse AND a keyboard. Oh and I didn't know you got a full HD TV with an X-box 360 or playstation nowadays? And before you start, no I don't have a television at home. Still you didn't answer my question regarding any examples of non-stuttering high quality texture full HD games... Now don't get me wrong I can understand why people like the ease of consoles but if you factor in game costs (most are much more expensive then on the PC, although the last few years the PC market has been butchered so choice is a bit limited) and stuff like buying accessorizes (for some weird reason my friends always manage to destroy their controllers every 6 months...) it really isn't cheaper then being a PC-gamer, but that in no way constitutes as a console even being in the same ballpark as PC games when it comes down to graphics. Take for example fall-out 3 both the ps3 and the xbox 360 version look like crap compared to the PC version. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Athanasia Samsa Amarr Institute for Mental Hygiene	Posted - 2009.08.21 06:54:00 - [83] Originally by: serenity000 Actually, the smaller the part of the body you are trying to move, the faster the reaction time. Therefore thumbs > wrist. if you need to move your wrist to get the mouse over the screen? you should really consider to up the dpi on your mouse... Originally by: serenity000 Secondly you don't get analog control over your movement with (wasd) up/down/left/right on a keyboard so you can be a lot more accurate and either move slowly or quickly depending on what the situation demands with a joypad. ...that's why most games have a walk/run key. ;)
Icy Milky	Posted - 2009.08.21 07:30:00 - [84] Originally by: Arushia Edited by: Arushia on 20/08/2009 19:01:24 Originally by: hired goon Originally by: Psiri The PS3 does support mouse and keyboard input, question is, will CCP be clever enough to make use of it? Oh my god I had no idea! The thought of me buying a console suddenly seems much less inconceivable! Do you have much more info on this? How many games support it?? Sadly, just Unreal Tournament 3. If I got it correctly then DUST is done on UT3 engine... So luckily?
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.08.21 07:39:00 - [85] Edited by: Nova Fox on 21/08/2009 07:42:04 360 has keyboard support, just havent found the driveless mouse at the bargin bin lately. As for controls I peferr the two thubsticks as I can control the rate of 'tracking' when I snipe with assault rifels not designed for that sort of work. I hate the keyboards aspect as often every game has a different control scheme and oftenly this leads to many wrongful deaths that I didnt appreciate to well and with the number of keys needed to play said shooter you almost need the three hands to do so. As with the controller every button you need to press to accomplish said shooting is all right there in finger's reach. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 29JUL09
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.08.21 07:50:00 - [86] yes, FPS on consoles suck like hell, in first of the damned improper controller device, second, for the poor graphics resolution. FPS games will continue sucking until a new, more direct controller device is introduced, designed for 3d games + better graphic chips allowing at least full HD resolution.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2009.08.21 08:15:00 - [87] Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 21/08/2009 08:24:07 few points: 1. the aiming argument: mouse is NOT better then controller. sure it is easier to adapt to the mouse but good and experienced players know that most of the aiming is done with the movement, also called "strafe aiming". if you dont know what this is you dont belong to the experienced and good fps players, end of point. it takes maybe a bit practice to play a fps with a console controler but in the end the outcome will be the same. 2. ps3 has (dont know about the xbox) support for keyboard and mouse, it is up to ccp if they want to implement this in their game 3. pc is NOT better for gaming and PC games have NOT better graphics. take the exclusive titles, for ps3 only title uncharted is the best example(now 1 year old game), I own and played this game and it looks exactly like on those screens I found in google: screen 1 Screen 2 Screen 3 Screen 4 Screen 5 Screen 6 so far, I see no valid point against consoles. Originally by: Shevar Take for example fall-out 3 both the ps3 and the xbox 360 version look like crap compared to the PC version. multiplatform games are always crap in consoles, porting a game from a pc to a sophisticated specialized closed system is not easy and developers wont spend extra money on this thus they cut the game.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.08.21 08:24:00 - [88] Edited by: Robert Caldera on 21/08/2009 08:25:08 Originally by: Cpt Cosmic few points: 1. the aiming argument: mouse is NOT better sure it is, its easily provable. With what device is it easier and faster to do a 180¦ turn for instance? Its just one essential move in FPS. And no, please use the stick for it, fake buttons causing predefined turns are not a valid option. Originally by: Cpt Cosmic 2. ps3 has (dont know about the xbox) support for keyboard and mouse, it is up to ccp if they want to implement this in their game the fact noone uses them, either because the game developer dont implement them or players are not allowed to use it in online games due to its superiority about pad users... With few words: ps3 has practically no support for mices. Can you prove the opposite? Tell me a decent number of games allowing mices in online matches?? Originally by: Cpt Cosmic 3. pc is NOT better for gaming and PC games have NOT better graphics. sure they have, just look at the graphic resolutions, one basic parameter of good graphics, the most games are 720p, if not even lower in "top games" like GTA (620p) or MGS4( some poor sub-HD too). Yes, the games are bloated with effects, because there is no power for real high resolution graphics!
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2009.08.21 08:33:00 - [89] Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 21/08/2009 08:37:46 Originally by: Robert Caldera sure it is, its easily provable. With what device is it easier and faster to do a 180¦ turn for instance? Its just one essential move in FPS. And no, please use the stick for it, fake buttons causing predefined turns are not a valid option. this takes not even a second for me on battlefield bad company on my ps3. why? because the harder you push the stick the faster you turn and I only need a single finger move for this. and thx for ignoring my whole point, looks like you have no clue about fps gaming, fine that you have discredited yourself Originally by: Robert Caldera the fact noone uses them, either because the game developer dont implement them or players are not allowed to use it in online games due to its superiority about pad users... With few words: ps3 has practically no support for mices. Can you prove the opposite? Tell me a decent number of games allowing mices in online matches?? wrong, no one implements it because it is not needed. it is just extra work for the developers Originally by: Robert Caldera sure they have, just look at the graphic resolutions, one basic parameter of good graphics, the most games are 720p, if not even lower in "top games" like GTA (620p) or MGS4( some poor sub-HD too). Yes, the games are bloated with effects, because there is no power for real high resolution graphics! so what? most games run at 1280x720 on consoles and still look better then those on pc with higher resolution? oh well that was a valid point.... not
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2009.08.21 08:49:00 - [90] Edited by: Nito Musashi on 21/08/2009 08:50:41 kb + mouse > controller for fps game period i do not care what noob study you dig up that says otherwise, kb with a good gaming mouse gives you 10x the control and instant accuracy that zooming your thumb around on a little stick can give you. plus my gaming mouse i got on the fly sensitivity dpi adjustment so i can up or lower it depending on how much twitch i want or dont want in a given game. gamepad > kb and mouse for sports game and platformers. and even kb and mouse is better for view adjustment in said games but gamepad is just better overall since they made for them face buttons and triggers rather than some odd combo of keys + mouse button combo presses, or games that are ported to pc with the button press sequences listed in xbox button format. beyond that its a generation thing console generation will to a person insist up and down that controllers are better, even to the point that when they do get a good gaming pc and buy some fps on pc they will often ask on pc forums "does this game support my gamepad?" making us old time fps players /facepalm. put thresh on a mouse and keyboard and a console kid on a controller and thresh will rip his face off with total pwnage, and if you know who thresh is props. oh you want to say ps3 has better graphics one word "crysis" rips uncharted or killzone or any game console or pc apart gfx wise.



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