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Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:07:00 - [31] Edited by: Havohej on 22/08/2009 19:06:41 Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Stitcher And what gives YOU the right to behave exactly like them? My favorite IGS blowhard, so good of you to weigh in. I'm used to pilots dodging the question less blatantly than that. At least you're forthright. The Thukker-Sebiestor's chest trembles with laughter he struggles to contain. Dodging the question? Why, pilot, to 'dodge' your questions would require that I respected you or your opinions at all. In short, I don't... so I didn't really give it any serious consideration - I didn't see a need to answer it. Now he chuckles openly, saying to someone just off screen, "That Hakatain guy, what a card..." before the transmission terminates. "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:47:00 - [32] Originally by: Stitcher you are a tyrant, a fool and an embodiment of everything that the Minmatar should fear becoming. Now this raises an interesting question: should the Minmatar indeed fear becoming like Mr. Havohej, and, if so, why? The Gallente embrace diversity, or at least they used to. It's less convenient now. The Caldari tolerate it disapprovingly; being jaalan can seriously hurt your chances for promotion, if only because placing malcontents in a position to spread discord is not a good idea from the megacorps' managerial perspective, but dissenters and nonconformists are broadly tolerated if not actually embraced. Then again, the State has recently undergone severe upheaval that may have had a form of cultural corruption as one of its roots: creeping individualism, much of it imported from the Federation. The Amarr seem to really dislike diversity beyond their cultural norms, and actively crush it where it crosses outside of accepted bounds. Of course, of all empires outside the Jove, theirs has had the greatest longevity. How should any of us treat those we consider to speak with the voice of the enemy? Mr. Havohej's answer seems straightforward enough: crush them. So: is he wrong?
Stitcher Caldari ForgeTech Industries	Posted - 2009.08.22 21:44:00 - [33] Wrong? That's for history and the spirits to decide. The best I can do is judge him to be a hypocrite who fights for "freedom" with his hands while his feet ruthlessly kick freedom in the ribs. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.22 23:40:00 - [34] Religious persecution? Nice.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.08.22 23:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Stitcher Wrong? That's for history and the spirits to decide. The best I can do is judge him to be a hypocrite who fights for "freedom" with his hands while his feet ruthlessly kick freedom in the ribs. Now there's a dodge I didn't expect from you, Verin. One of the fun things about history and the spirits is that we're constituent parts of both.
KillJoy Tseng Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.23 00:45:00 - [36] All right, let's look at a few points here. First, rule of law. Ever heard of it? As much as I may not much like this "crusade" either, they immigrated legally, are allowed to practice whatever faith they want, and all the rest. And guess what; this hasn't changed under Shakor. Or would you really like, say, practices and rites that are and aren't legal to be dictated by whoever's in power? Second, by throwing this out, you're doing more to support their cause than they would have ever accomplished. That people are seeing it as such a threat that they're willing to go against our own laws to hunt out remnants of a crusade that was more or less doomed at the unlawful death of a skilled orator in charge of it... are you that insecure in our ways? Do you think us that weak?
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.23 01:28:00 - [37] Originally by: KillJoy Tseng All right, let's look at a few points here. First, rule of law. Ever heard of it? As much as I may not much like this "crusade" either, they immigrated legally, are allowed to practice whatever faith they want, and all the rest. And guess what; this hasn't changed under Shakor. Or would you really like, say, practices and rites that are and aren't legal to be dictated by whoever's in power? Second, by throwing this out, you're doing more to support their cause than they would have ever accomplished. That people are seeing it as such a threat that they're willing to go against our own laws to hunt out remnants of a crusade that was more or less doomed at the unlawful death of a skilled orator in charge of it... are you that insecure in our ways? Do you think us that weak? To assume that the 'rule of law' is superior in judgement to yourself is not only intellectually lazy, it is morally dishonest and ultimately a cop-out; a means by which one may shirk responsibility for their and their peoples' well being, foisting it off instead on the government. Look at how well that worked out for the Republic up to and including Midular the Appeaser's regime, and look at how far the Minmatar people have come since someone mustered the strength to take initiative and deliver the Minmatar from the oppression by proxy that was Karin Midular. What if the Elder's hadn't acted and Sanmatar Shakor hadn't taken control of the Republic, simply because it was 'illegal'? As to 'supporting their cause'... by continuing to practice slavery, the Amarr Empire gives credence and support to our cause. What's your point? I have little patience for rhetorical arguments and circular logic, Mister Tseng... at the end of the day, they don't mean anything. But what does mean something is another Minmatar being persuaded to take up the religious yoke of the slaver. The Empire's religious insurrection, in the forum of Abel Jarek's so-called crusade does not carry with it the heat of tachyon beams, but it is no less an attack on our people and our well-being. It is the instability of this age that makes it possible for their lies to take root in the minds of our people and it is wrong for the strong among us to ignore our kinfolk as they sink in the mire just because the government hasn't passed a law permitting us to help them. I understand your position; Electus Matari has a long-standing history of doing what they feel is best for the Minmatar Republic by the letter of its laws and if I did not respect you for it, I wouldn't have ever pursued a positive relationship with you. Du'uma Fiisi, however, is in the process of establishing a similar history... of doing what we feel is best for the Minmatar people, whether the Republic's laws and politicians approve of our means or not. "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
KillJoy Tseng Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.23 02:15:00 - [38] So you're telling me, in effect, that your judgement is superior to that of the clan and tribal heads who decide the policies of the Republic? That your vision for what the Republic should be is clearer than that of Shakor or anyone else? Pull the other one. The rule of law is there for a reason; in this instance, there's the minor factor that by the exact same reasoning I, or anyone else, could start having Matari citizens killed. Shall I start wondering about the safety of myself or my corpmates; after all, who knows what bounties you're talking to people about in private? How far, would you say, have we come? In this proxy war, our staunchest ally's systems are being put up for sale to Caldari megacorporations, and two of our own systems are likewise "occupied". Through the strike by the so called Elder Fleet, we burned most of a previously unknown force in a one-off strike, lost most of the Defiants as well... to rescue a few thousands of a tribe thought lost and who have so lost their traditions that many of them still cling to the Amarrian faith (and will you be offering bounties on them as well?) at the cost of... oh, I think by now we're probably well into the hundreds of millions of crew.
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.23 02:30:00 - [39] Originally by: KillJoy Tseng So you're telling me, in effect, that your judgement is superior to that of the clan and tribal heads who decide the policies of the Republic? That your vision for what the Republic should be is clearer than that of Shakor or anyone else? I'm telling you, in effect, that politicians are limited by external pressures; anything Sanmatar Shakor says or does in an official capacity must by its nature be held to the scrutiny of the other nation states - for good or ill. Du'uma Fiisi is not limited by such pressures. Originally by: KillJoy Tseng Shall I start wondering about the safety of myself or my corpmates; after all, who knows what bounties you're talking to people about in private? If Electus Matari pilots began practicing the slaver's faith en masse, then diplomatic contact would be made and we would discuss the best course of action for our organizations' relationship. I doubt such an unfortunate circumstance would ever come to pass, however... for all that -EM- might be too wrapped up in doing whatever the government says for my tastes, you're also firm, loyal Minmatar (and friends). Originally by: KillJoy Tseng How far, would you say, have we come? Through the strike by the so called Elder Fleet, we burned most of a previously unknown force in a one-off strike, lost most of the Defiants as well... to rescue a few thousands of a tribe thought lost and who have so lost their traditions that many of them still cling to the Amarrian faith (and will you be offering bounties on them as well?) at the cost of... oh, I think by now we're probably well into the hundreds of millions of crew. The Amarrians have lost people as well; you don't think their entire crews are comprised of slave laborers, do you? What the Elders did was they saw the remaining tribes fractured, with leaders who were unwilling to stand up because Amarrian gold was filling their coffers. They saw a Minmatar people powerless to stand up for themselves because for so long our own leaders had held us down. So they stood up for us. And now, it is up to us to remain standing, not to allow the Amarrians to send preachers with Minmatar faces to plant and cultivate the seeds of their slaver's faith and win a quiet cultural victory where so many of our people believe in their scriptures that there will be nobody left to fight them when the slave ships darken our skies again. You fight the slaver's influence your way... we'll fight it our way. "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Anabella Rella Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.23 07:06:00 - [40] Edited by: Anabella Rella on 23/08/2009 07:10:34 Originally by: Havohej You fight the slaver's influence your way... we'll fight it our way. I'm afraid that doing things your way will lead us down a dark path we dare not tread, Pilot. When fighting monsters we should guard against becoming the very thing we fight against.
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.23 07:08:00 - [41] Fortunately, there are those of us who dare. "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Anabella Rella Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.23 07:14:00 - [42] I'm not sure that I care for your insinuation Pilot, but I'll leave this alone.
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.23 07:23:00 - [43] Edited by: Havohej on 23/08/2009 07:24:06 The Thukker-Sebiestor chuckles. I've insinuated nothing; you say you don't dare take the actions that we are taking and I said fortunately there are those who do. Those words have but one definition, pilot, there's no use in trying to twist them to create conflict where there is none. I said very clearly what I think and feel about Electus Matari in my replies to Pilot Tseng - that is, that I understand and respect -EM-'s unwillingness to go against Republic Law; please don't attempt to stir up drama by implying otherwise. "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer*
Crevo Helion Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.23 13:49:00 - [44] Edited by: Crevo Helion on 23/08/2009 13:54:21 Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Crevo Helion Mr. Havohej, what are your motivations behind this æbounty huntingÆ? Revenge? Bloodlust? To burn out the cancer that is spreading among our people. You donÆt have much faith in the Minmatar people do you? I think they know what is good for them, and what is not. Do you really think this æcancerÆ will spread much further than some small township on Matar? If youÆre bitten by a mosquito, are you going to burn away all the surrounding flesh just to æcleanseÆ it? Originally by: Havohej Really? You're not paying attention. As reported by the Scope: Minmatar Converts Deeply Concerned by Jarek Killing, Political Rights Demanded. They're becoming 'increasingly vocal' demanding political rights now, you fool! It didn't end with Jarek's death. It won't end until all of those who would preach the slaver's religion of oppression to our children are purged. Did you actually read that (3 week old) report? Originally by: ISD Nestor Pelagius/The Scope Minmatar converts to the Amarrian faith have become increasingly vocal about their fears and grievances in the days since the murder of Abel Jarek, leader of the Salvation Crusade, by unknown attackers in the religious township he established near ancestral Krusual lands on Matar. Soàsome misguided people decide they want to follow this Abel Jarek. They join him in this religious township. Their leader is killed by masked gunmen, they are harassed and persecuted and they believe their lives are in danger as well. And youÆre shocked that they are speaking up about their fears and asking the Republic they live in to defend their right to freedom of religion? I may not have liked Abel Jarek or what he preached. But I do have a duty to protect the rights of all Matari citizens, despite what they personally believe. Originally by: ISD Nestor Pelagius/The Scope While members of the Salvation Crusade were highly-visible, the majority of Minmatar followers of the Amarrian religion have sought to remain unobtrusive and keep their faith a private matter. Yeah, that sounds pretty scary to meà Originally by: Havohej I envy you your prettied up mental image of a safe, secure, peaceful republic but the reality is we're not safe from the slaver yet. IÆm going to ignore this statement based on the fact that you do not know me, or my background, and are purely speculating on what you think my æmental imageÆ of the Republic is. Originally by: Havohej Originally by: Crevo Helion Originally by: Havohej What gave Abel Jarek the right to preach the slaver's religion to our free children in our cities on our worlds? The same freedom that gives you the right to preach against his words. Nonsense; nobody is free to preach the slaver's religion (which is the basis for the slaver's justification of slavery itself!) to Minmatar children on Minmatar worlds. Nobody. If this is what you believe, then bring it to the attention of our leaders the appropriate way and not through pointless headhunting. Originally by: Havohej Clothing can't enslave a third of our race (indeed, our entire race at one time). That you would even make that comment says to me that you don't understand the danger Jarek's little religious insurrection poses to our people; it is because of Minmatar like you that Jarek was able to gain a foothold at all. From what IÆve seen, his little religious insurrection is about as dangerous as Amarrian clothing is. Are his beliefs being forced upon me? No. Are his beliefs being forced into our government? No. Are his beliefs being forced upon anyone? No. Show me the real and immediate danger this poses and IÆll stand beside you. Otherwise, IÆll continue to put my time, effort, and ISK into combating the real threats to my people.
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.23 15:53:00 - [45] That's all good and well and I would love to continue to argue right and wrong with you, but I'm afraid I have an official statement to release...
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.23 15:57:00 - [46] As the feed comes alive, the viewer is presented with the Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics logo. A narrator says... "At approximately 02:00 hours Y111.08.21, a Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics call center received a message from someone claiming eligibility for the one million ISK offer extended by the corporation. After a thorough background check, this individual was contacted and given instructions to meet with a representative in person to discuss the matter in depth." The Du'uma Fiisi trademark is replaced by a series of still photos. The first image is of a small gathering of people in what seems to be a small room in some kind of industrial building, possibly a factory or warehouse; judging by the slightly elevated perspective, the viewer is able to infer that the photograph was taken through a window. It is poorly lit, this gathering clearly conducted in secrecy. There are no more than a dozen, gathered before a figure standing behind a podium on a raised dais. The figure to whom the audience raptly listens is clothed in a flowing robe cut in the traditional style of Amarrian clergy, though not as ornately decorated. Although the robe's hood casts his face in shadow, the clergyman's right fist is upraised giving the viewer the impression that he is making some dramatic, stirring point or another. After 20 seconds, the focus begins to zoom in on one particular face in the crowd. The new focus is a Minmatar man, Vherokior judging by his features and perhaps in his early twenties. The narrator continues... S'sor Dukath. A student enrolled at Republic University majoring in Theology and minoring in Political Science. Son of a factory worker and a seamstress, born and raised in Ingunn. Practitioner of the Amarrian faith. As the narrative proceeds, this original image is replaced first by another image taken through the same window, this time of the congregation breaking up. It is still not possible to make out the preacher's face beneath his hooded robe. The next photo shows the people filing out into a dark alley, visible only by the light spilling out through the building's open door. The fourth image in the series shows the S'sor Dukath getting into a late model 4x6; the first 5 digits of the MRDPV (Minmatar Republic Department of Planetary Vehicles) plate are visible. The next image shows what appears to be the same vehicle in front of an apartment building that it's unlikely a struggling college student would be able to afford. A sixth image shows the same vehicle from the rear, this time with the entire license plate visible and S'sor Dukath's MRDPV file overlaid verifying that this is in fact his 4x6. "The claimant asserted that Mister Dukath was not only a student interested in the Amarrian faith, but that his schooling was also being funded by investors within the Amarr Empire. The claimant believed that Dukath's choice of major and minor made him particularly interesting to the Amarr, expressing their opinion that in a few years, after graduating with a degree in Theology, a native educated* Minmatar taking up the Amarrian Church's cause would be quite a cultural victory for the Empire. As a matter of due diligence, Du'uma Fiisi launched a discrete probe into S'sor Dukath's college funding via an intermediary; while we did not find anything incriminating in his financial records at the university, we didn't expect to and it didn't matter. We had verified his identity through the MRDPV and the claimant presented clear photographic evidence of his involvement with the Salvation Crusade's religious insurrection." A final image: S'sor Dukath tied to a chair in what seems to be a posh living room. His face is bruised. There is a wicked gash across his throat and the front of his shirt is soaked in blood. "By the time this reaches the Summit, the claimant has received 1M ISK in untraceable bearer bonds issued by several reputable corporations." "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer*
Crevo Helion Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.23 16:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Havohej That's all good and well and I would love to continue to argue right and wrong with you, but I'm afraid I have an official statement to release... Convenient... Well I hope you enjoy your second-hand murder. Doesn't get much more pathetic than that.
Kazuma Ry Amarr Ebon Seraph	Posted - 2009.08.23 17:00:00 - [48] Originally by: Havohej images of a poor man murdered While I most likely will be ignored, I must say that senseless death of a young man, even Minmatar is disturbing since he was practicing in private, not hurting anyone. Mr Havohej, your methods will not stop this, it will only make them more vocal, make them demand for protection from the Minmatar government, and ultimately, you will be the one that is cast as being evil.
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.23 17:05:00 - [49] We've got plenty of first-hand blood on our hands as well. It wasn't about 'conveniently' avoiding your remarks - truth be told, I know that we are not going to convince -EM- that it's time to stop clinging to the rule of law and trusting that the Republic's political figures will do the right thing. Just as I'm sure you know that you're not going to convince us to put our trust and faith in the politicians as you do. And since I've already made it quite clear that I understand and respect Electus Matari's position, there's really no point in arguing back and forth with you about whether this is 'right' or not; if we didn't feel it was right, we would not be doing it. But this topic isn't about Du'uma Fiisi or Electus Matari; this topic is about the Minmatar people and Du'uma Fiisi is heartened that we have been able to make good on our offer at least once. We hope that seeing a responsible Minmatar being able to step forward and do his civic duty without fear of undue legal repercussions will embolden other strong, loyal Minmatar to do their part. "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Kazuma Ry Amarr Ebon Seraph	Posted - 2009.08.23 17:22:00 - [50] Originally by: Havohej The more vocal they become... the more they show themselves... the more our people will be confronted with the truth of the threat they represent. The threat of being peaceful, threat of just wishing to practice in peace. The only thing your people will see is how they are being persecuted by their own kin. That their freedoms are being removed by bullies and thugs that claim to know better then their own government.
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2009.08.23 17:48:00 - [51] I won't react to this act of cowardly murder until official media confirm this. I said this will have personal consequences for me if something like this happens. Until then I handle it as a bad joke. One that befudges the image of the Republic and helps the Amarr with their propaganda. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.23 18:11:00 - [52] Originally by: Alica Wildfire I won't react to this act of cowardly murder until official media confirm this. I said this will have personal consequences for me if something like this happens. Until then I handle it as a bad joke. One that befudges the image of the Republic and helps the Amarr with their propaganda. Are you implying a threat toward my corporation, pilot? "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.08.23 19:15:00 - [53] IÆm not sure I understand why this person's bleating about God is such a big deal. Why does this planetboundÆs little life and his followers matter?
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.23 21:42:00 - [54] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss IÆm not sure I understand why this person's bleating about God is such a big deal. Why does this planetboundÆs little life and his followers matter? Because it doesn't matter how many Amarrian capsuleer ships are destroyed in space if we allow our people to lose what's left of their sense of self; if they can achieve cultural victory on the ground by subverting what half-remembered remnants of Minmatar culture and tradition survived through a thousand years in chains by converting hungry, young idealists the the slaver's faith, then it's all for nothing. I can't be the only one who understands just how close our culture came to extinction. The Elders understood the danger. The Defiants understood the danger. Sanmatar Shakor understands the danger; whether or not his seat of power is stable enough to do anything about it remains to be seen and likely won't be known until the Tribal Assembly is able to convene. "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Gottii Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.08.24 03:17:00 - [55] Havohej, its not just that we disagree with you just on legal, moral and ethical grounds, which we do, its that we also disagree with your actions because youre hurting the Minmatar cause and aiding the Amarr. You're acting exactly as the Empress and her cronies hoped you would when they sent Jarek off to die into Republic space. Don't you think the Amarr knew they damn well that Jarek would almost certain suffer violence and quite likely death when they indoctriated him with their nonsense and sent him into Republic space? Don't you think they knew there are more than enough angry and desperate Minmatar in the Republic to practically guarantee that Jarek would suffer some kind of violence once he goaded them on? Why do you think his mission got so much media attention in the first place? They sent Jarek into Republic space as a PR stunt, with a virtual target on his back, to "prove" that the Minmatar are hypocritical, vengeful and uncivilized. They WANTED him to suffer violence, preferably killed, and if his followers suffered, all the better. Because it made the Minmatar the bad guys, it fed into their world view, it justified their actions, and it alienated our allies. And now, not only did their tool meet his preferred end, youre giving their victory added emphasis. And thus youve become an Amarrian tool as well... So thats our problem with your actions Havohej, its not that they're just unethical and evil, its that they're clumsy and stupid and hurt the Minmatar people while aiding our enemy. Youve given the Amarr exactly what they wanted, allowed yourself to be manipulated into carrying out the Empress's whim, become the "mindless ape" they preach that we are. I thought you would have enough of Minmatar carrying out Amarrian wishes...
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.24 03:29:00 - [56] Originally by: Gottii to "prove" that the Minmatar are hypocritical, vengeful and uncivilized. It's only hypocritical if you choose to speak one path and act another. Du'uma Fiisi acts the same path it speaks: the Minmatar people will not tolerate the slaver's religion any longer. To let you tell it, the best way to beat the Amarr in their little plot is to pick up my own copy of Pax Amarrifilth and start attending these little religious services myself to prove them wrong? 'Cause if we just stand by and let them preach the superiority of the Amarr and their 'god' to our next generation then we might as well go all the way and surrender to them altogether. It is for politicians to worry about the schemes and plots of other politicians; this is why I have expressed my concern that Sanmatar Shakor, while in no way as weak in his motivation has Midular the Appeaser was, might still be forced to make compromises for the sake of the Republic's military security by way of long-standing political connections - with the Federation, for example. Let the Republic do what the Republic must... let the people do what the people must; nothing 'mindless' about it. At this point, I'll say again what I've been saying to Electus Matari's pilots this entire time: we must agree to disagree as to how our people's struggle must be fought. "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Stitcher Caldari ForgeTech Industries	Posted - 2009.08.24 07:40:00 - [57] If there is one thing I hate about being a capsuleer, it's how impotent we are to actually do anything about monsters like Havohej here. What's to be done? Shooting him won't work, he'll just come back, angrier than ever before. The most painful wound pilots ever feel is damage to our wallets, and even that will be repaired with time. Iif I could kill this idiot, permanently, then I would. I cannot. The only recourse open, therefore, is debate, and he exists in that frustrating category of being simultaneously too blind, too extreme in his ideals, too arrogant and too stupid for that to have a hope in hell of working. I refuse to waste my time on it any longer. My advice to those who stand opposed to this man is simple: fight money with money. another bounty on the head of any individual who claims the Du'uma Fiisi bounty sounds like a good start. I'd do it myself, but it would seem that I am an enemy of the Republic right now, and could credibly be called an ally of the Amarr - not the best person to be offering such bounties in this circumstance, I feel. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2009.08.24 07:53:00 - [58] Originally by: Stitcher I refuse to waste my time on it any longer. And yet, here you are. Originally by: Stitcher My advice to those who stand opposed to this man is simple: fight money with money. another bounty on the head of any individual who claims the Du'uma Fiisi bounty sounds like a good start. Have fun identifying our claimants, whose identities you may have noticed we are taking great pains to protect. Why don't you cut straight to the source, though, and place a bounty on my own head? After all, you seem to think that I'm the root of all this evil. "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
lucifers widow 3rd Kador lancers	Posted - 2009.08.24 10:08:00 - [59] Originally by: Havohej Have fun identifying our claimants, whose identities you may have noticed we are taking great pains to protect. Why don't you cut straight to the source, though, and place a bounty on my own head? After all, you seem to think that I'm the root of all this evil. So someone murders an random person who was pictured in the crowd at a particular religious event, with no more evidience than that someone was tied to a chair and tortured to death and then you protect the identity of the victims assailant from the Matari justice system ? I think you are on very thin ice indeed, must just be a matter of time before the proper authorities get fed up of you making martyr's out of Amarrian students. You are doing more harm than all the Amarrian religious fanatics in history have ever done to the Matari cause and we Amarrians thank you for that
Simon Coal Gallente The Grass Spiders	Posted - 2009.08.24 11:37:00 - [60] Havohej, you seem like a murderous jerk. I hope you wake up more grounded some day. Originally by: Stitcher And what gives YOU the right to behave exactly like them? This is normally where I'd jump in to needle your conscience, but I'm starting to think we're shoulder to shoulder on some of this stuff. So much for knee-jerk reactions. Originally by: Aria Jenneth One of the fun things about history and the spirits is that we're constituent parts of both. This is an aside, but I'd like to say that when you're not being a terrifying post-human pirate goddess, you seem very wise to me.

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