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fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.08.21 16:00:00 - [1] Edited by: fuxinos on 21/08/2009 16:00:52 After countless trys to make a good Loki fit in EFT, the only fitting that realy statisfied me was this: Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Domination Warp Disruptor Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier Large Shield Extender II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Loki Defensive - Amplification Node Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Vespa EC-600 x3 Hornet EC-300 x2 Warrior II x6 Hornet EC-300 x2 EFT Pic Looks pretty good to me as a soloboat, thoughts?
Ira Astrum TEMPLAR. Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.08.21 16:11:00 - [2] Edited by: Ira Astrum on 21/08/2009 16:13:34 1. 25k EHP 2. All lvl V 3. ???? 4. Do not profit. edit: just noticed the web/scram bonuses :) looks much better now. Still unsure about the tiny buffer on the very expensive ship though. I want a Pink Rook :(
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.08.21 16:16:00 - [3] Edited by: fuxinos on 21/08/2009 16:17:01 Edited by: fuxinos on 21/08/2009 16:16:16 Originally by: Ira Astrum 1. 25k EHP 2. All lvl V 3. ???? 4. Do not profit. All lvl 4 next time? Btw, look how small it is with MWD on
Vayne Lyakhov	Posted - 2009.08.21 16:23:00 - [4] Sacribond or Vagaleg. The odds are 50/50.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.08.21 18:00:00 - [5] Eft warrioring has just reached a new low. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Novus Auctorita	Posted - 2009.08.21 18:25:00 - [6] Try this and its still fail [Loki, Sacabond] Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Medium Energy Neutralizer II Small Nosferatu II Small Nosferatu II Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2
Ira Astrum TEMPLAR. Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.08.21 18:37:00 - [7] Originally by: fuxinos All lvl 4 next time? Btw, look how small it is with MWD on I just meant you should really EFT with your own skills, so you get a (more) accurate idea of what the ships capabilities will be. If you just put all lvl 5 skills on there, you're going to be over-valuing its ability. I want a Pink Rook :(
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.08.21 18:40:00 - [8] Edited by: Seriously Bored on 21/08/2009 18:42:08 Originally by: Vayne Lyakhov Sacribond or Vagaleg. The odds are 50/50. Hugivagasac? I see that 30KM web on there. Beside the fact that it's low on EHP, and call it EFT blindness, I'm failing to see what's wrong with it. Looks like it can mess up just about anything meant to shoot at close range. Minnie ship with missiles...maybe we should call it a Hugivagaphoon. EDIT: Originally by: Ira Astrum If you just put all lvl 5 skills on there, you're going to be over-valuing its ability. Though I agree an all level 5 is probably making it look better than it is, isn't your statement true of almost everything posted on this forum?
Ira Astrum TEMPLAR. Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.08.21 18:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Seriously Bored Though I agree an all level 5 is probably making it look better than it is, isn't your statement true of almost everything posted on this forum? I guess you're right there :) I always post my fits up with my actual skills, but I guess other people don't :s I want a Pink Rook :(
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.08.21 18:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Ira Astrum Originally by: Seriously Bored Though I agree an all level 5 is probably making it look better than it is, isn't your statement true of almost everything posted on this forum? I guess you're right there :) I always post my fits up with my actual skills, but I guess other people don't :s Using all 5s just makes it easier to compare 2 fits to each other objectively. Although there are some times when it makes a fit seem better than it is because some skills are almost never taken to 5. First example I can think of is sentry ishtar vs heavy ishtar. All 5 is misleading towards heavies since everyone gets sentry 5 but very few people will ever get any of the racial drones to 5. I'm sure there are other more obvious situations. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Ong	Posted - 2009.08.21 18:58:00 - [11] So you've managed to spend what? a bill or more and get something thats slightly better then vaga.... 1 web wont reduce anythings speed enough for what your planning imo, a vaga would still give you more then a good fight Id love to train for a loki but Ive yet to see a fit or make one in eft thats convinced me to part with my iskies
techzer0 Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.08.21 19:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Ong So you've managed to spend what? a bill or more and get something thats slightly better then vaga.... The OP's setup is not slightly better than a vaga... and I have a huginn setup that has that much EHP /me bangs head on wall tbh I haven't seen any Loki fits that make me want one... proteus, yes... loki, no. ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.08.21 19:21:00 - [13] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Ong So you've managed to spend what? a bill or more and get something thats slightly better then vaga.... The OP's setup is not slightly better than a vaga... and I have a huginn setup that has that much EHP /me bangs head on wall Does it have that much damage at the tip of extended web/scram range? He doesn't have his drones figured into the numbers, even. Granted, the ship is expensive as hell and not worth the price. But I'm trying to think how a Vaga or Huginn that saw this and thought, "lol killmail" wouldn't end up dead. I dunno. I'm definitely intrigued by the fit, it's certainly the most original thing I've seen in a while. But I could still be swayed by a convincing argument for why it sucks (beside the price). Anyway, enough of me defending other people's setups.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.08.21 19:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Seriously Bored Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Ong So you've managed to spend what? a bill or more and get something thats slightly better then vaga.... The OP's setup is not slightly better than a vaga... and I have a huginn setup that has that much EHP /me bangs head on wall Does it have that much damage at the tip of extended web/scram range? He doesn't have his drones figured into the numbers, even. Granted, the ship is expensive as hell and not worth the price. But I'm trying to think how a Vaga or Huginn that saw this and thought, "lol killmail" wouldn't end up dead. I dunno. I'm definitely intrigued by the fit, it's certainly the most original thing I've seen in a while. But I could still be swayed by a convincing argument for why it sucks (beside the price). Anyway, enough of me defending other people's setups. Pretty sure a vaga would absolutely destroy it. No idea how people fit post nano huginns so I can't really judge that. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.08.21 20:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Pretty sure a vaga would absolutely destroy it. No idea how people fit post nano huginns so I can't really judge that. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I'm trying to see how. To the best of my knowledge, Vaga pilots tend to fight around 15-18KM, and stay far away from Huginn/Rapiers. Their best ability is speed, using it to dictate range or disengage. If a Vaga decided to engage, this could web it, orbit at 25-29KM, and pummel it where ACs aren't hitting for anything you can't shrug off. Vags usually have the speed advantage, but once its webbed, this fast Loki is dictating range. The Loki is also doing good damage when its MWD is on at high transversal (though that'd only last 3 minutes). As far as I can tell, it would beat a Vaga for the same reason a Huginn or Rapier can. Again, I could be totally missing something, and still be totally wrong. I'm also assuming solo PVP when that is usually NOT how fights happen. The fit just looks like it has the same target selection a Vag or Huginn would, but also including those two ships. So much for me not defending it any more...
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.08.21 20:07:00 - [16] Originally by: Seriously Bored Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Pretty sure a vaga would absolutely destroy it. No idea how people fit post nano huginns so I can't really judge that. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I'm trying to see how. To the best of my knowledge, Vaga pilots tend to fight around 15-18KM, and stay far away from Huginn/Rapiers. Their best ability is speed, using it to dictate range or disengage. If a Vaga decided to engage, this could web it, orbit at 25-29KM, and pummel it where ACs aren't hitting for anything you can't shrug off. Vags usually have the speed advantage, but once its webbed, this fast Loki is dictating range. The Loki is also doing good damage when its MWD is on at high transversal (though that'd only last 3 minutes). As far as I can tell, it would beat a Vaga for the same reason a Huginn or Rapier can. Again, I could be totally missing something, and still be totally wrong. I'm also assuming solo PVP when that is usually NOT how fights happen. The fit just looks like it has the same target selection a Vag or Huginn would, but also including those two ships. So much for me not defending it any more... A correctly fit vaga will actually do more damage than this loki out to about 27km. Ambits are your friend. The real problem with this fit isn't how it compares to a vaga though. It's that a similarly fit projectile loki is better in every way. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2009.08.21 20:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega A correctly fit vaga will actually do more damage than this loki out to about 27km. Ambits are your friend. The real problem with this fit isn't how it compares to a vaga though. It's that a similarly fit projectile loki is better in every way. Ahhhh, gotcha. That would be the answer I was looking for. I didn't know Vagas hit that well that far out, even with the long falloff curve. I'll have to look into it.
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.08.22 02:00:00 - [18] Edited by: fuxinos on 22/08/2009 02:02:07 Originally by: Ira Astrum Originally by: Seriously Bored Though I agree an all level 5 is probably making it look better than it is, isn't your statement true of almost everything posted on this forum? I guess you're right there :) I always post my fits up with my actual skills, but I guess other people don't :s Well, it does not realy compute, if you dont have the skills to fly the ship... Besides, if you dont even know how to interpret numbers EFT gives you...
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.08.22 02:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Seriously Bored Edited by: Seriously Bored on 21/08/2009 20:37:44 Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega A correctly fit vaga will actually do more damage than this loki out to about 27km. Ambits are your friend. The real problem with this fit isn't how it compares to a vaga though. It's that a similarly fit projectile loki is better in every way. Ahhhh, gotcha. That would be the answer I was looking for. I didn't know Vagas hit that well that far out, even with the long falloff curve. I'll have to look into it. EDIT: Hmm. Nope. This Loki outdamage a standard K Vaga (d180, 3x Gyro and Ambits) by a large amount from 20-30KM. Which plays in the Loki's favor. Outdamages a similarly fit Projectile Loki, too. Whoops, I forgot to turn on drones on the loki . A projectile loki still does more though: [Loki, thing] Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Domination Warp Disruptor Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier Large Shield Extender II 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Projectile Ambit Extension II Projectile Ambit Extension II Projectile Ambit Extension I Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Warrior II x5 Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.08.22 02:24:00 - [20] Edited by: fuxinos on 22/08/2009 02:24:58 Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: Seriously Bored Edited by: Seriously Bored on 21/08/2009 20:37:44 Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega A correctly fit vaga will actually do more damage than this loki out to about 27km. Ambits are your friend. The real problem with this fit isn't how it compares to a vaga though. It's that a similarly fit projectile loki is better in every way. Ahhhh, gotcha. That would be the answer I was looking for. I didn't know Vagas hit that well that far out, even with the long falloff curve. I'll have to look into it. EDIT: Hmm. Nope. This Loki outdamage a standard K Vaga (d180, 3x Gyro and Ambits) by a large amount from 20-30KM. Which plays in the Loki's favor. Outdamages a similarly fit Projectile Loki, too. Whoops, I forgot to turn on drones on the loki . A projectile loki still does more though: [Loki, thing] Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Domination Warp Disruptor Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier Large Shield Extender II 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Projectile Ambit Extension II Projectile Ambit Extension II Projectile Ambit Extension I Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Warrior II x5 You obviously have no clue about falloff and transversal. Your setup does less dps at 30Km.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.08.22 02:34:00 - [21] Originally by: fuxinos Edited by: fuxinos on 22/08/2009 02:24:58 Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: Seriously Bored Edited by: Seriously Bored on 21/08/2009 20:37:44 Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega A correctly fit vaga will actually do more damage than this loki out to about 27km. Ambits are your friend. The real problem with this fit isn't how it compares to a vaga though. It's that a similarly fit projectile loki is better in every way. Ahhhh, gotcha. That would be the answer I was looking for. I didn't know Vagas hit that well that far out, even with the long falloff curve. I'll have to look into it. EDIT: Hmm. Nope. This Loki outdamage a standard K Vaga (d180, 3x Gyro and Ambits) by a large amount from 20-30KM. Which plays in the Loki's favor. Outdamages a similarly fit Projectile Loki, too. Whoops, I forgot to turn on drones on the loki . A projectile loki still does more though: [Loki, thing] Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Domination Warp Disruptor Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier Large Shield Extender II 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Projectile Ambit Extension II Projectile Ambit Extension II Projectile Ambit Extension I Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Warrior II x5 You obviously have no clue about falloff and transversal. Your setup does less dps at 30Km. You're calculating something wrong. Especially since the ops fit can't actually hit at 30km. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.08.22 02:36:00 - [22] Edited by: fuxinos on 22/08/2009 02:36:20 Sure my fit can hit to 30Km, theoretically to 33Km but due to Missile acceleration only about 30-31Km.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.08.22 02:38:00 - [23] Originally by: fuxinos Edited by: fuxinos on 22/08/2009 02:36:20 Sure my fit can hit to 30Km, theoretically to 33Km but due to Missile acceleration only about 30-31Km. It's less than that from acceleration, and even less than that due to shooting at a moving target. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
xxxak Caldari No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.08.22 03:05:00 - [24] Is it just me, or does a Tengu ** this setup unless it is flown PERFECTLY**
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.08.22 05:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: fuxinos Edited by: fuxinos on 22/08/2009 02:36:20 Sure my fit can hit to 30Km, theoretically to 33Km but due to Missile acceleration only about 30-31Km. It's less than that from acceleration, and even less than that due to shooting at a moving target. Ever heard of Javelins?
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.08.22 07:42:00 - [26] Originally by: fuxinos Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: fuxinos Edited by: fuxinos on 22/08/2009 02:36:20 Sure my fit can hit to 30Km, theoretically to 33Km but due to Missile acceleration only about 30-31Km. It's less than that from acceleration, and even less than that due to shooting at a moving target. Ever heard of Javelins? So your argument is that switching to a lower damage ammo will make you do more dps? That's a new one. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Yahweh Graf	Posted - 2009.08.22 08:37:00 - [27] Sacribond
HrunTheBarbarian	Posted - 2009.08.22 09:37:00 - [28] Prepare for some EFT dps graph tomfoolery Well, not sure if the DPS graph has a totally realistic depiction of how the falloff works. But according to that the AC loki should have about the same DPS as the HAM one using javelins at 30k - IF they are both shooting stationary targets. If the targets start to move according to EFT the missile damage stays the same (not sure if the missile damage calculations are screwed or not) and the SC Loki seems to hit fine still with a tiny drop in dps upto at least 2k/s transversal (with a cruiser w/MWD on sized target). if the target is much smaller you do get a bit of a drop of dps with high transversal, but at that point you could just keep at range. In terms of which one is better; The HAM one ---> can hit anything within it's range has 2 medium neuts to deal with any tackle that does land on it... doesn't have to worry about transversal whatsoever has more cap Is faster and more nimble has a smaller sig radius The AC one ---> can hit much further has a higher damage potential has only 1 medium neut to deal with tackle has 10k more EHP has a larger sig radius The HAM one seems more able to deal with situations where you might drop the ball and let someone get a small tackler on to you, and can last an extra minute or so attacking. But the AC one has more damage capability and more hitpoints. Personally I would take the extra cap/speed/agility over the extra hitpoints and damage and just pick my targets. the only stuff that can really chase it down is stuff that's very easy to deal with by using web/nuets, just make sure you keep some range and not much will catch it. But I wouldn't buy either, too much more money for too little benefit imo. I'd prefer to get a wingman and jump in a nanocane
vickers	Posted - 2009.08.24 13:53:00 - [29] i give u the mugin damage control 2 overdrive injector 2 amarr navy eanm armor kinetic hardiner 2 gyrostabilizer 2 gyrostabilizer 2 10mn microwarp drive 2 dominashon warp disruptor 2 gallente navy web gallente navy web 720 howitzer 2 720 howitzer 2 720 howitzer 2 720 howitzer 2 720 howitzer 2 720 howitzer 2 cap control circuit cap control circuit cap control circuit adaptive augmenter immobility drivers power core multiplyer turret concurrence registry chassis optimization

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