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Liiza Valora the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.08.22 00:02:00 - [1] Edited by: Liiza Valora on 22/08/2009 00:05:18 Loophole Forum Ban ITEM: Player character has been banned from forum use for a length of time for inappropriate forum activity. Player character creates a new account with a similar or dis-similar name to continue to using the forums when player character has been banned. Example: Longfellow Tortia was banned from the forums for 6 months, he has created a new character named Longfellow Tort1a and one named Sloppy. He then uses the forums as if he is not banned. He is in my opinion violating his ban by doing this. Just because he creates a new character with a similar or disimilar name does not mean that he should be allowed to use the forums. Solution: Your ban in my opinion should be based on your IP address, otherwise the person banned will be able to create multiple secondary characters and use the forums circumventing the ban. Thoughts: With all of the negativity in the eve-online forums i feel it is paramount that we eliminate those who want nothing but to troll and flame others for their enjoyment. Allowing people to use this loophole by being able to create other toons and access the forums while they are banned is in my opinion exploiting the ruling.
Tortugan F9X	Posted - 2009.08.22 00:40:00 - [2] I support the idea that a forum ban should be a forum ban, but the fact is, it's easy to get around. Got an IP ban? It's not hard to get a new one. Got an account banned? It's not hard to get a new one. Afaik (though correct me if I'm wrong) when you get banned from the forums, your account is banned- not just one character on your account. This means that people who are getting around forum bans have an entirely different account they are paying $15 a month for. If there was an easy solution, I'd support it- but I think CCP would have already implemented it if there it did exist.
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.08.22 01:18:00 - [3] your solution is sadly not workable at all. many provider do regularly changing dynamic ip addresses. i fear there is no way to achieve what you want.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.08.22 01:31:00 - [4] And let's not even get into one Larkonis TrassIer - I'd like to rip on the guy for it, but it's actually sort of necessary for CSM stuff. Should he be banned from doing the job he was elected to do? It's not an easy question.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2009.08.22 04:38:00 - [5] Sure ban by IP address. 1 AOL user = Most AOL users. 1 Saudi = all Saudis 1 Chinese = all Chinese. You can not ban by IP, many people on many networks share their public IP with others.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2009.08.22 04:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Liiza Valora Thoughts: With all of the negativity in the eve-online forums i feel it is paramount that we eliminate those who want nothing but to troll and flame others for their enjoyment. Moderation makes it worse. With over-moderation you end up with a forum full of yes-men. They all have the same opinions and all suck up to the moderators as "teachers pets". Over-moderation destroys communities, creating an environment where only those who agree are allowed to talk and all others are hectored until they leave or do something to get themselves banned.
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.22 11:07:00 - [7] Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 22/08/2009 11:17:14 I fully endorse this. It is terrible that a person can pay for multiple accounts and when one of them is banned due to internets stalkers reporting any of his posts for possible infractions he is simply able to switch to another. IP banning seems like a good idea. A small price to pay that some innocents are affected for the greater good of the forums. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
viliar Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.08.22 11:40:00 - [8] Seems like a good plan, supported
Sir Muffoon Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2009.08.22 12:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 22/08/2009 11:17:14 I fully endorse this. It is terrible that a person can pay for multiple accounts and when one of them is banned due to internets stalkers reporting any of his posts for possible infractions he is simply able to switch to another. IP banning seems like a good idea. A small price to pay that some innocents are affected for the greater good of the forums. You seemed to have supported this by accident. It's cool though, an easy mistake.
RedSplat Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers	Posted - 2009.08.22 12:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Sir Muffoon Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 22/08/2009 11:17:14 I fully endorse this. It is terrible that a person can pay for multiple accounts and when one of them is banned due to internets stalkers reporting any of his posts for possible infractions he is simply able to switch to another. IP banning seems like a good idea. A small price to pay that some innocents are affected for the greater good of the forums. You seemed to have supported this by accident. It's cool though, an easy mistake. Its true, Larkonis is a cool guy. Not supported. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.

Shigsy Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.22 12:38:00 - [11] Edited by: Shigsy on 22/08/2009 12:39:21 Originally by: Liiza Valora Edited by: Liiza Valora on 22/08/2009 00:05:18 Loophole Forum Ban ITEM: Player character has been banned from forum use for a length of time for inappropriate forum activity. Player character creates a new account with a similar or dis-similar name to continue to using the forums when player character has been banned. Example: Longfellow Tortia was banned from the forums for 6 months, he has created a new character named Longfellow Tort1a and one named Sloppy. He then uses the forums as if he is not banned. He is in my opinion violating his ban by doing this. Just because he creates a new character with a similar or disimilar name does not mean that he should be allowed to use the forums. Solution: Your ban in my opinion should be based on your IP address, otherwise the person banned will be able to create multiple secondary characters and use the forums circumventing the ban. Thoughts: With all of the negativity in the eve-online forums i feel it is paramount that we eliminate those who want nothing but to troll and flame others for their enjoyment. Allowing people to use this loophole by being able to create other toons and access the forums while they are banned is in my opinion exploiting the ruling. u mad? Not Supported! THIS SIGNATURE IS SMALLER THAN 24000 BYTES Join "C&P" ingame!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.22 12:45:00 - [12] Counter-proposal: give us a proper ignore function so that we can decide for ourselves who we want to "ban" from our screens.
Ankhesentapemkah Citation Registration Commission	Posted - 2009.08.22 13:04:00 - [13] This, and people that got a forum ban should not be able to run for CSM and be kicked out if they get a ban during their term. Nothing personal to Larkonis and Darius though. CSMs just should have exemplary behaviour, just like you're not allowed to run for politician if you have a criminal record. ---
Sir Muffoon Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2009.08.22 13:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah This, and people that got a forum ban should not be able to run for CSM and be kicked out if they get a ban during their term. Nothing personal to Larkonis and Darius though. CSMs just should have exemplary behaviour, just like you're not allowed to run for politician if you have a criminal record. Because this games aim is clearly to form model, moral citizens. Bad behaviour is simply never allowed.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.08.22 13:32:00 - [15] Edited by: De''Veldrin on 22/08/2009 13:34:27 Edit: Nvm - I forgot members of the troll squad shouldn't be treated as if they were actually saying anything. --Vel You're killing me Smalls!
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.08.22 14:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah This, and people that got a forum ban should not be able to run for CSM and be kicked out if they get a ban during their term. Nothing personal to Larkonis and Darius though. CSMs just should have exemplary behaviour, just like you're not allowed to run for politician if you have a criminal record. So you think that player representation should be subject to the whims of forum mods? That's like firing my MP because he got a speeding ticket.
Arathon Theimies Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.22 16:17:00 - [17] Edited by: Arathon Theimies on 22/08/2009 16:17:07 This is a mockery of justice. The feelings of 12 year olds and people who act like 12 year olds is important. Truth and Honour, Larkonis Trassler for CSM!!!
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.08.22 16:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah This, and people that got a forum ban should not be able to run for CSM and be kicked out if they get a ban during their term. Nothing personal to Larkonis and Darius though. CSMs just should have exemplary behaviour, just like you're not allowed to run for politician if you have a criminal record. Have you ever podded anyone? Oh ok... Your're fired! Well you said anyone with a criminal record..and podding people is breaking CONCORD law in a sense. (anyone get my point yet?) Hell why stop there... pirates too! Please... use head before you speak. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
50freefly Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.22 17:50:00 - [19] Agreeing with Liiza, this is a slap in the face of justice/America. Supported.
Mashashige Eternal Perseverance Flight School	Posted - 2009.08.22 18:09:00 - [20] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 22/08/2009 11:17:14 I fully endorse this. It is terrible that a person can pay for multiple accounts and when one of them is banned due to internets stalkers reporting any of his posts for possible infractions he is simply able to switch to another. IP banning seems like a good idea. A small price to pay that some innocents are affected for the greater good of the forums. Wait.. but...TrassIer??? That...ahhhh!!! I see what you did there Supporting only if they add an "team america world policy" sound file that plays every time someone gets a forum ban. America - **** YEAH! ======================================= "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."

Jogvan Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.22 18:54:00 - [21] Edited by: Jogvan on 22/08/2009 18:55:01 Who is Loophole and what did he do?
Vaden Khale Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:10:00 - [22] Edited by: Vaden Khale on 22/08/2009 19:13:23 I fully support this post, product, and/or service. Ninja edit Originally by: Ankhesentawhateverthe**hernameis This, and people that got a forum ban should not be able to run for CSM and be kicked out if they get a ban during their term. I totally agree! Real life politicians would never break the law! Oh, Bill Clinton dodged the draft and committed perjury, hmm, that New York mayor was into prostitution, and Ted Kennedy killed someone and got away with it, then got elected to forty some odd years of the Senate. What a mockery of justice! Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Zymurgist
Uronksur Suth Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Emergence.	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:17:00 - [23]
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:20:00 - [24] I use two PC in different locations to play EVE, one has a static IP, the other a dynamic one. So if I get banned what IP will be banned? CCP should ban a range of IP in a university town because I have been banned? Your example guy almost certainly used a different e-mail address to create the new account, so CCP has no way to know if he is a alt without checking credit card data, if he use a credit card. Your suggestion is inapplicable. At most you can report the player in your example to the moderators.
Uronksur Suth Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:55:00 - [25] Can we at least please hurry up and ban bbbb45? The guy whose been posting those stupid keylogger **** links? If you look at the forum index he's posted the last topic in just about EVERY forum. I vote for more active moderators. He's not exactly being subtle
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:04:00 - [26] Hmm, I got this strange feeling creeping up the back of my neck that someone tries to abuse the assembly hall forum as a weapon in a personal feud. Looking over the thread a bit further, it seems that another person jumps on the train as well (no offense bud, a lot of people would have tried I guess).
Uronksur Suth Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Omara Otawan Hmm, I got this strange feeling creeping up the back of my neck that someone tries to abuse the assembly hall forum as a weapon in a personal feud. Looking over the thread a bit further, it seems that another person jumps on the train as well (no offense bud, a lot of people would have tried I guess). Have you seen his threads? He's repeatedly posted links to keylogger-ridden **** sites in every subforum.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:28:00 - [28] Originally by: Uronksur Suth Have you seen his threads? He's repeatedly posted links to keylogger-ridden **** sites in every subforum. Wat? I wasnt talking about you.
Uronksur Suth Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Omara Otawan Originally by: Uronksur Suth Have you seen his threads? He's repeatedly posted links to keylogger-ridden **** sites in every subforum. Wat? I wasnt talking about you. oh.
Efdi The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.22 21:01:00 - [30] Edited by: Efdi on 22/08/2009 21:05:51 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah This, and people that got a forum ban should not be able to run for CSM and be kicked out if they get a ban during their term. Nothing personal to Larkonis and Darius though. CSMs just should have exemplary behaviour, just like you're not allowed to run for politician if you have a criminal record. I realize coming up with decent ideas is hard for you, but you really do need to stop posting all your horrible ideas on these forums.



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