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Liiza Valora the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.08.22 00:02:00 - [1] Edited by: Liiza Valora on 22/08/2009 00:05:18 Loophole Forum Ban ITEM: Player character has been banned from forum use for a length of time for inappropriate forum activity. Player character creates a new account with a similar or dis-similar name to continue to using the forums when player character has been banned. Example: Longfellow Tortia was banned from the forums for 6 months, he has created a new character named Longfellow Tort1a and one named Sloppy. He then uses the forums as if he is not banned. He is in my opinion violating his ban by doing this. Just because he creates a new character with a similar or disimilar name does not mean that he should be allowed to use the forums. Solution: Your ban in my opinion should be based on your IP address, otherwise the person banned will be able to create multiple secondary characters and use the forums circumventing the ban. Thoughts: With all of the negativity in the eve-online forums i feel it is paramount that we eliminate those who want nothing but to troll and flame others for their enjoyment. Allowing people to use this loophole by being able to create other toons and access the forums while they are banned is in my opinion exploiting the ruling.
Tortugan F9X	Posted - 2009.08.22 00:40:00 - [2] I support the idea that a forum ban should be a forum ban, but the fact is, it's easy to get around. Got an IP ban? It's not hard to get a new one. Got an account banned? It's not hard to get a new one. Afaik (though correct me if I'm wrong) when you get banned from the forums, your account is banned- not just one character on your account. This means that people who are getting around forum bans have an entirely different account they are paying $15 a month for. If there was an easy solution, I'd support it- but I think CCP would have already implemented it if there it did exist.
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.08.22 01:18:00 - [3] your solution is sadly not workable at all. many provider do regularly changing dynamic ip addresses. i fear there is no way to achieve what you want.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.08.22 01:31:00 - [4] And let's not even get into one Larkonis TrassIer - I'd like to rip on the guy for it, but it's actually sort of necessary for CSM stuff. Should he be banned from doing the job he was elected to do? It's not an easy question.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2009.08.22 04:38:00 - [5] Sure ban by IP address. 1 AOL user = Most AOL users. 1 Saudi = all Saudis 1 Chinese = all Chinese. You can not ban by IP, many people on many networks share their public IP with others.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2009.08.22 04:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Liiza Valora Thoughts: With all of the negativity in the eve-online forums i feel it is paramount that we eliminate those who want nothing but to troll and flame others for their enjoyment. Moderation makes it worse. With over-moderation you end up with a forum full of yes-men. They all have the same opinions and all suck up to the moderators as "teachers pets". Over-moderation destroys communities, creating an environment where only those who agree are allowed to talk and all others are hectored until they leave or do something to get themselves banned.
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.22 11:07:00 - [7] Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 22/08/2009 11:17:14 I fully endorse this. It is terrible that a person can pay for multiple accounts and when one of them is banned due to internets stalkers reporting any of his posts for possible infractions he is simply able to switch to another. IP banning seems like a good idea. A small price to pay that some innocents are affected for the greater good of the forums. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
viliar Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.08.22 11:40:00 - [8] Seems like a good plan, supported
Sir Muffoon Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2009.08.22 12:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 22/08/2009 11:17:14 I fully endorse this. It is terrible that a person can pay for multiple accounts and when one of them is banned due to internets stalkers reporting any of his posts for possible infractions he is simply able to switch to another. IP banning seems like a good idea. A small price to pay that some innocents are affected for the greater good of the forums. You seemed to have supported this by accident. It's cool though, an easy mistake.
RedSplat Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers	Posted - 2009.08.22 12:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Sir Muffoon Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 22/08/2009 11:17:14 I fully endorse this. It is terrible that a person can pay for multiple accounts and when one of them is banned due to internets stalkers reporting any of his posts for possible infractions he is simply able to switch to another. IP banning seems like a good idea. A small price to pay that some innocents are affected for the greater good of the forums. You seemed to have supported this by accident. It's cool though, an easy mistake. Its true, Larkonis is a cool guy. Not supported. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.

Shigsy Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.22 12:38:00 - [11] Edited by: Shigsy on 22/08/2009 12:39:21 Originally by: Liiza Valora Edited by: Liiza Valora on 22/08/2009 00:05:18 Loophole Forum Ban ITEM: Player character has been banned from forum use for a length of time for inappropriate forum activity. Player character creates a new account with a similar or dis-similar name to continue to using the forums when player character has been banned. Example: Longfellow Tortia was banned from the forums for 6 months, he has created a new character named Longfellow Tort1a and one named Sloppy. He then uses the forums as if he is not banned. He is in my opinion violating his ban by doing this. Just because he creates a new character with a similar or disimilar name does not mean that he should be allowed to use the forums. Solution: Your ban in my opinion should be based on your IP address, otherwise the person banned will be able to create multiple secondary characters and use the forums circumventing the ban. Thoughts: With all of the negativity in the eve-online forums i feel it is paramount that we eliminate those who want nothing but to troll and flame others for their enjoyment. Allowing people to use this loophole by being able to create other toons and access the forums while they are banned is in my opinion exploiting the ruling. u mad? Not Supported! THIS SIGNATURE IS SMALLER THAN 24000 BYTES Join "C&P" ingame!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.08.22 12:45:00 - [12] Counter-proposal: give us a proper ignore function so that we can decide for ourselves who we want to "ban" from our screens.
Ankhesentapemkah Citation Registration Commission	Posted - 2009.08.22 13:04:00 - [13] This, and people that got a forum ban should not be able to run for CSM and be kicked out if they get a ban during their term. Nothing personal to Larkonis and Darius though. CSMs just should have exemplary behaviour, just like you're not allowed to run for politician if you have a criminal record. ---
Sir Muffoon Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2009.08.22 13:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah This, and people that got a forum ban should not be able to run for CSM and be kicked out if they get a ban during their term. Nothing personal to Larkonis and Darius though. CSMs just should have exemplary behaviour, just like you're not allowed to run for politician if you have a criminal record. Because this games aim is clearly to form model, moral citizens. Bad behaviour is simply never allowed.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.08.22 13:32:00 - [15] Edited by: De''Veldrin on 22/08/2009 13:34:27 Edit: Nvm - I forgot members of the troll squad shouldn't be treated as if they were actually saying anything. --Vel You're killing me Smalls!
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.08.22 14:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah This, and people that got a forum ban should not be able to run for CSM and be kicked out if they get a ban during their term. Nothing personal to Larkonis and Darius though. CSMs just should have exemplary behaviour, just like you're not allowed to run for politician if you have a criminal record. So you think that player representation should be subject to the whims of forum mods? That's like firing my MP because he got a speeding ticket.
Arathon Theimies Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.22 16:17:00 - [17] Edited by: Arathon Theimies on 22/08/2009 16:17:07 This is a mockery of justice. The feelings of 12 year olds and people who act like 12 year olds is important. Truth and Honour, Larkonis Trassler for CSM!!!
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre	Posted - 2009.08.22 16:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah This, and people that got a forum ban should not be able to run for CSM and be kicked out if they get a ban during their term. Nothing personal to Larkonis and Darius though. CSMs just should have exemplary behaviour, just like you're not allowed to run for politician if you have a criminal record. Have you ever podded anyone? Oh ok... Your're fired! Well you said anyone with a criminal record..and podding people is breaking CONCORD law in a sense. (anyone get my point yet?) Hell why stop there... pirates too! Please... use head before you speak. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
50freefly Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.22 17:50:00 - [19] Agreeing with Liiza, this is a slap in the face of justice/America. Supported.
Mashashige Eternal Perseverance Flight School	Posted - 2009.08.22 18:09:00 - [20] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 22/08/2009 11:17:14 I fully endorse this. It is terrible that a person can pay for multiple accounts and when one of them is banned due to internets stalkers reporting any of his posts for possible infractions he is simply able to switch to another. IP banning seems like a good idea. A small price to pay that some innocents are affected for the greater good of the forums. Wait.. but...TrassIer??? That...ahhhh!!! I see what you did there Supporting only if they add an "team america world policy" sound file that plays every time someone gets a forum ban. America - **** YEAH! ======================================= "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."

Jogvan Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.22 18:54:00 - [21] Edited by: Jogvan on 22/08/2009 18:55:01 Who is Loophole and what did he do?
Vaden Khale Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:10:00 - [22] Edited by: Vaden Khale on 22/08/2009 19:13:23 I fully support this post, product, and/or service. Ninja edit Originally by: Ankhesentawhateverthe**hernameis This, and people that got a forum ban should not be able to run for CSM and be kicked out if they get a ban during their term. I totally agree! Real life politicians would never break the law! Oh, Bill Clinton dodged the draft and committed perjury, hmm, that New York mayor was into prostitution, and Ted Kennedy killed someone and got away with it, then got elected to forty some odd years of the Senate. What a mockery of justice! Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Zymurgist
Uronksur Suth Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Emergence.	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:17:00 - [23]
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:20:00 - [24] I use two PC in different locations to play EVE, one has a static IP, the other a dynamic one. So if I get banned what IP will be banned? CCP should ban a range of IP in a university town because I have been banned? Your example guy almost certainly used a different e-mail address to create the new account, so CCP has no way to know if he is a alt without checking credit card data, if he use a credit card. Your suggestion is inapplicable. At most you can report the player in your example to the moderators.
Uronksur Suth Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:55:00 - [25] Can we at least please hurry up and ban bbbb45? The guy whose been posting those stupid keylogger **** links? If you look at the forum index he's posted the last topic in just about EVERY forum. I vote for more active moderators. He's not exactly being subtle
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:04:00 - [26] Hmm, I got this strange feeling creeping up the back of my neck that someone tries to abuse the assembly hall forum as a weapon in a personal feud. Looking over the thread a bit further, it seems that another person jumps on the train as well (no offense bud, a lot of people would have tried I guess).
Uronksur Suth Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Omara Otawan Hmm, I got this strange feeling creeping up the back of my neck that someone tries to abuse the assembly hall forum as a weapon in a personal feud. Looking over the thread a bit further, it seems that another person jumps on the train as well (no offense bud, a lot of people would have tried I guess). Have you seen his threads? He's repeatedly posted links to keylogger-ridden **** sites in every subforum.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:28:00 - [28] Originally by: Uronksur Suth Have you seen his threads? He's repeatedly posted links to keylogger-ridden **** sites in every subforum. Wat? I wasnt talking about you.
Uronksur Suth Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Omara Otawan Originally by: Uronksur Suth Have you seen his threads? He's repeatedly posted links to keylogger-ridden **** sites in every subforum. Wat? I wasnt talking about you. oh.
Efdi The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.08.22 21:01:00 - [30] Edited by: Efdi on 22/08/2009 21:05:51 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah This, and people that got a forum ban should not be able to run for CSM and be kicked out if they get a ban during their term. Nothing personal to Larkonis and Darius though. CSMs just should have exemplary behaviour, just like you're not allowed to run for politician if you have a criminal record. I realize coming up with decent ideas is hard for you, but you really do need to stop posting all your horrible ideas on these forums.

Superfailsauce Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.08.22 21:29:00 - [31] Supporting this as well... This blatant abuse of the system must stop. ------- Larkonis' Alt, main got banned.
Cyrus Doul Nictus Astartes	Posted - 2009.08.22 21:45:00 - [32] Originally by: Dr BattleSmith Sure ban by IP address. 1 AOL user = Most AOL users. 1 Saudi = all Saudis 1 Chinese = all Chinese. You can not ban by IP, many people on many networks share their public IP with others. wikipedia did it to quatar or however that one is spelled. some kid at school was modding pages with dumb content and a mod caught and banned him. the whole country runs though a super NAT
Airtight Alibi	Posted - 2009.08.22 21:50:00 - [33] Just wanted to complain about unfair forum bans.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.08.23 03:40:00 - [34] Originally by: Drake Draconis Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah This, and people that got a forum ban should not be able to run for CSM and be kicked out if they get a ban during their term. Nothing personal to Larkonis and Darius though. CSMs just should have exemplary behaviour, just like you're not allowed to run for politician if you have a criminal record. Have you ever podded anyone? Oh ok... Your're fired! Well you said anyone with a criminal record..and podding people is breaking CONCORD law in a sense. (anyone get my point yet?) Hell why stop there... pirates too! Please... use head before you speak. Hey, Drake, knock it off before you give her any ideas. Really, you have to remember who you're talking to here Originally by: Vaden Khale Originally by: Ankhesentawhateverthe**hernameis This, and people that got a forum ban should not be able to run for CSM and be kicked out if they get a ban during their term. I totally agree! Real life politicians would never break the law! Oh, Bill Clinton dodged the draft and committed perjury, hmm, that New York mayor was into prostitution, and Ted Kennedy killed someone and got away with it, then got elected to forty some odd years of the Senate. What a mockery of justice! Now now, he wasn't the mayor, he was the governor. That makes it alright, doesn't it? Seriously, it's actually really funny how many bigshot politicians are crooks in one way or another. Usually minor stuff you wouldn't hear about if they weren't important(the Premier of Alberta plagiarizing essays in a college course he was taking on the side, say), but that are nonetheless hilarious, and indicative of how all of our role models should act.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.08.23 05:45:00 - [35] You can't even trust a dead politician, since we keep electing them. --Vel You're killing me Smalls!
Jared D'Uroth Minmatar Universal Peace Operation	Posted - 2009.08.23 05:51:00 - [36] Edited by: Jared D''Uroth on 23/08/2009 05:51:59 Originally by: Liiza Valora Solution: Your ban in my opinion should be based on your internal IP address, otherwise the person banned will be able to create multiple secondary characters and use the forums circumventing the ban. First off, this is hidden NSPTA hate. I know it. Second, I love it when people who don't understand computers attempt to talk tech. Oh noes. Not my internal IP address! Honestly, do a little bit of research. Most IPs are dynamic, so you can't really IP ban anyone. Plus, proxy servers. You have a mistaken idea of what an IP address is and how they work. IP ADDRESSES IMA *** U M8 Why is haxor edited out? === Quote:** I think the point [of t3] was that your foes would never know how you were fit, adding the element of surprise. Like, surprise!!! I decided to go with EHP and DPS.
Vaden Khale Amarr Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.23 09:22:00 - [37] Originally by: Jared D'Uroth Edited by: Jared D''Uroth on 23/08/2009 05:51:59 Originally by: Liiza Valora Solution: Your ban in my opinion should be based on your internal IP address, otherwise the person banned will be able to create multiple secondary characters and use the forums circumventing the ban. First off, this is hidden NSPTA hate. I know it. Sandwich(Liiza Valora) hating NSPTA...Nevar! Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Zymurgist
Verizana Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.23 17:18:00 - [38] Supported, great idea.
Hoo Is	Posted - 2009.08.25 17:20:00 - [39] I too hate people who get around forum bans by paying an extra $15 for another account. ---- a reply which adds nothing to a thread or results in a thread being bumped with no new discussion worthy content is considered spam and as such warrants a forum ban
XoPhyte Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2009.08.25 18:00:00 - [40] Edited by: XoPhyte on 25/08/2009 18:01:55 Originally by: Liiza Valora Solution: Your ban in my opinion should be based on your internal IP address I'm sure you mean external address here. Internal would be something like 10.1.1.x /24 or 192.168.0.x /24 (or even 8 or 16 bit masks). Long story short, if you banned someone from their internal address you would essentially ban 90% of eve (besides, the internal is natted anyway therefore you could not detect it for the website). Perhaps you mean their MAC address? However MAC addresses are not contained within the packet headers, therefore you could not detect the originating MAC address from the website (again same problem as above). External would be a bit more practical but not much. If you ban the 32 bit address (a single IP address), then the person can simply reconnect to their ISP and most likely get a new IP (since most do not use static). If you ban a subnet, as others have indicated before, you would end up banning multiple people from Eve. Ie, in the US a lot of people use Comcast. Baning Comcast would then prevent a lot of users from playing. And really anyone can just use a proxy server to bypass this restriction. Sorry, not supported. I like the idea, there is just not practial way to implement it though.

Cheekything Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2009.08.25 18:16:00 - [41] Better solution make it so you need to have 2 months of paided active game time (aka non-trail accounts) to post on most forum areas. Leave this away from a set area for new players to ask questions and let them read the other areas. $40 and 2 month to spam and get banned sounds like fun.
XoPhyte Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2009.08.25 20:23:00 - [42] Originally by: Cheekything Better solution make it so you need to have 2 months of paided active game time (aka non-trail accounts) to post on most forum areas. Leave this away from a set area for new players to ask questions and let them read the other areas. $40 and 2 month to spam and get banned sounds like fun. Thats actually not a bad idea.
Ms Leonora Leonora Corporation	Posted - 2009.08.25 20:39:00 - [43] The wording of the OP is a bit off but yeah I agree that someone who has received a forum ban should not be able to create a similarly named alt for the purposes of forum posting. Unfortunately IP addresses are mostly dynamic and MAC address bans could be gotten around by spoofing the MAC address or simply using another network adapter. There definately should be something in place to prevent "obvious alt posts" though.
Liiza Valora the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.08.26 17:49:00 - [44] this is not a troll or a flame or directed at any one person. This thread is a legitimate proposal. This thread is not the place for paranoia and assumptions. This is a topic i feel needed to be proposed and looked at for the greater good of the eve community.
Caldinea Core Contingency Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.27 22:46:00 - [45] I support this idea 100%. Abuse of a system for the sake of trolling or harrassment in any format is wrong and should be dealt with strongly.
Ykatni Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.28 16:07:00 - [46] Simple solution is to download the Greasemonkey plugin for Firefox and grab the CAOD script. You can ignore users, corps and alliances, which puts the tools in your hands and not CCP's.
Anderson Williams Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.08.29 06:32:00 - [47] I believe this, 100% supported.. No people should be tough on the Eve forums.. or posting when Banned. Its tootally and super super inappropriate and unprofessional. Guys im super serial here.. this is Eve online.. Internet spaceships.. Serious Buisness.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice	Posted - 2009.08.29 06:46:00 - [48] Curse those evil forum ban evading infidels (ingame)! *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Irongut H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.08.31 13:35:00 - [49] Not feasible. Ban by external IP address? Just reboot router for a new one. Ban by internal IP or MAC address? They aren't available to the forum web server and even if they were it takes 10 seconds to change them. If you dislike trolls just ignore them. -- Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
W3370Pi4	Posted - 2009.09.11 02:23:00 - [50] _______ Join the "Legit Trading"Channel

Epona Thunderhoof	Posted - 2009.09.11 06:23:00 - [51] Originally by: Liiza Valora Solution: Your ban in my opinion should be based on your internal IP address, otherwise the person banned will be able to create multiple secondary characters and use the forums circumventing the ban. "Internal" network address? Sure, you can ban 192.168.100.104 from the forums. Since it is a Non Routable Address, nothing will happen. The forums never see that address. As others have mentioned, NAT, proxies, and dynamic IP addresses all turn this idea into a complete fail. It simply doesn't work. You will wrongly ban more people than intended, and the desired effect will fail for many. Other people have tried this in the past, and it simply doesn't work. Wouldn't it suck, for example, if your friend came over, jumped on your machine, posted some crap on the forums, and had your IP addressed put on the ban list? Hmm, you know, that sounds like a great idea. I'm sure that GoonSwarm can do something "creative" with this. People who support this topic, including the OP, simply don't understand how TCP/IP works. I'm sorry that the forums make you feel sad and angry and hurt your feelings, but this isn't a good way of fixing that problem.
Heroldyn	Posted - 2009.09.11 06:59:00 - [52] is this really an issue ? do you guys really care if someone who got banned from the forums enables himself to keep posting ? or is this some 'i wanne be forum mod when i grow up' contest ?


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