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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.10.14 05:35:00 -
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Edited by: S'Daria on 14/10/2004 05:46:39
Link to full chat
<kieron> Final question of the evening
<kieron> Comes from someone who wishes to remain nameless. :)
<kieron> Ok, here's one: Death Star. When? How? And, can I squeeze the life out of my generals if they tick me off?
<Oveur> lol
<Tybalt> AHAHA That's no moon. THAT'S A SPACE STATION!!!
<[QT]Sabaoth> 0-o
<Oveur> Unlike OTHER space oriented sci-fi, our Death Stars will be able to move around and NOT be able to be taken down by a 200k frigate!!!!
<Oveur> (maybe 3 x 200K frigate tho ...)
<kieron> But Oveur's personal titan will be able to take them out at will.
<kieron> SlverB1rd - Will drone groupings be user configurable in shiva?
<Oveur> if we get the bugs cleared out of it, yes.
<Oveur> you can group your drones, and command them as groups
<Oveur> it's already on the Singularity, but like i said, it's bugged :)
<kieron> <Panzer> What currently are the plans for BC and destroyers, will Battle cruisers be closer to BS? And will their be speed modules in between Cruisers and BS (100mn and 10mn) to help out the Battle cruisers and destroyers since using modules above them doesn't help much or using modules below them doesn't help much.
<Hammerhead> I've been pondering 5mn and 25mn ABs and MWDs lately but those aren't coming in for shiva launch. There just isn't enough time to test and balance them with the other things we are working on
<Hammerhead> as for the sizes of the destroyers and battlecruisers, the destroyers will be pretty close to the size of frigates and battlecruisers will be pretty close to the size of cruisers
<Hammerhead> this leaves a space above battleships for oh.... I dunno *dreadnaughts* ;-)
<Hammerhead> the destroyers are going to be pretty powerful for their cost as they are tech one ships between frigates and cruisers yet some have 8 turret slots
<Hammerhead> I'm not worried that players will find ways to make use of them
<Hammerhead> Battlecruisers are going to focus on being much more "tanky" than current cruisers are. they will get bonuses to stuff like resists or armor repairing
<kieron> <Helison> Q: Can you give us more detailed info on system scanning? How will it work? Which modules/ships are needed?
<Oveur> the system scanning design has been revised a number of times to try to balance the player skills vs. game skills
<Oveur> so it involves modules, it will have a specialized ship or ships down the road (a tech level 2 ship) but just modules in the beginning
<Oveur> we're trying to focus on how players do system scanning today and expand on that.
<Oveur> it currently features triangulation, i.e. a group of players need to work together to do it fast, but we're still working out a number of issues
<kieron> <Slim> question: can you give us a little more info on faction ships? Will they be released on launch, or filtered in slowly post-launch? What factions will be represented?
<Oveur> faction ships is the NPC ships you see doing various stuff for the pirates and empires in EVE
<Hammerhead> this forum thread gives a little info on how faction ships will enter the game http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=115593
<Oveur> the factions will ultimately have 3 ships pr. faction available (1 frig, 1 cruiser, 1 battleship) but how many factions and how many of those we get it on the 3rd remains to be seen
<Oveur> since they are lower in priority to the new classes (the mining barge, destroyer, battlecruiser)
<Oveur> they all need tender lub and care from Hammer and TomB to be released
* Hammerhead thinks he can do it ;-)
<Oveur> so we can nerf the hell out of them after we release them :D
* Hammerhead enjoys nerfing
<kieron> <AdaIsDead> Q: Will the drone carrier ships be out soon(tm)?
<Oveur> Carriers are not part of Shiva and as such are classified as Kali material
<kieron> <YaRisse> (Question) Are Minmatar Pilots going to get their Beloved guns fixed on the Release of Shiva, or will we be forced to wait until some unspecified date afterwards?
<Oveur> the 1400's and other specific projectile turrets will not get attention in Shiva, we simply dont have the time for it.
<Oveur> so Jadrut will one day be happy again ;)
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.10.14 05:35:00 -
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Edited by: S'Daria on 14/10/2004 05:46:39
Link to full chat
<kieron> Final question of the evening
<kieron> Comes from someone who wishes to remain nameless. :)
<kieron> Ok, here's one: Death Star. When? How? And, can I squeeze the life out of my generals if they tick me off?
<Oveur> lol
<Tybalt> AHAHA That's no moon. THAT'S A SPACE STATION!!!
<[QT]Sabaoth> 0-o
<Oveur> Unlike OTHER space oriented sci-fi, our Death Stars will be able to move around and NOT be able to be taken down by a 200k frigate!!!!
<Oveur> (maybe 3 x 200K frigate tho ...)
<kieron> But Oveur's personal titan will be able to take them out at will.
<kieron> SlverB1rd - Will drone groupings be user configurable in shiva?
<Oveur> if we get the bugs cleared out of it, yes.
<Oveur> you can group your drones, and command them as groups
<Oveur> it's already on the Singularity, but like i said, it's bugged :)
<kieron> <Panzer> What currently are the plans for BC and destroyers, will Battle cruisers be closer to BS? And will their be speed modules in between Cruisers and BS (100mn and 10mn) to help out the Battle cruisers and destroyers since using modules above them doesn't help much or using modules below them doesn't help much.
<Hammerhead> I've been pondering 5mn and 25mn ABs and MWDs lately but those aren't coming in for shiva launch. There just isn't enough time to test and balance them with the other things we are working on
<Hammerhead> as for the sizes of the destroyers and battlecruisers, the destroyers will be pretty close to the size of frigates and battlecruisers will be pretty close to the size of cruisers
<Hammerhead> this leaves a space above battleships for oh.... I dunno *dreadnaughts* ;-)
<Hammerhead> the destroyers are going to be pretty powerful for their cost as they are tech one ships between frigates and cruisers yet some have 8 turret slots
<Hammerhead> I'm not worried that players will find ways to make use of them
<Hammerhead> Battlecruisers are going to focus on being much more "tanky" than current cruisers are. they will get bonuses to stuff like resists or armor repairing
<kieron> <Helison> Q: Can you give us more detailed info on system scanning? How will it work? Which modules/ships are needed?
<Oveur> the system scanning design has been revised a number of times to try to balance the player skills vs. game skills
<Oveur> so it involves modules, it will have a specialized ship or ships down the road (a tech level 2 ship) but just modules in the beginning
<Oveur> we're trying to focus on how players do system scanning today and expand on that.
<Oveur> it currently features triangulation, i.e. a group of players need to work together to do it fast, but we're still working out a number of issues
<kieron> <Slim> question: can you give us a little more info on faction ships? Will they be released on launch, or filtered in slowly post-launch? What factions will be represented?
<Oveur> faction ships is the NPC ships you see doing various stuff for the pirates and empires in EVE
<Hammerhead> this forum thread gives a little info on how faction ships will enter the game http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=115593
<Oveur> the factions will ultimately have 3 ships pr. faction available (1 frig, 1 cruiser, 1 battleship) but how many factions and how many of those we get it on the 3rd remains to be seen
<Oveur> since they are lower in priority to the new classes (the mining barge, destroyer, battlecruiser)
<Oveur> they all need tender lub and care from Hammer and TomB to be released
* Hammerhead thinks he can do it ;-)
<Oveur> so we can nerf the hell out of them after we release them :D
* Hammerhead enjoys nerfing
<kieron> <AdaIsDead> Q: Will the drone carrier ships be out soon(tm)?
<Oveur> Carriers are not part of Shiva and as such are classified as Kali material
<kieron> <YaRisse> (Question) Are Minmatar Pilots going to get their Beloved guns fixed on the Release of Shiva, or will we be forced to wait until some unspecified date afterwards?
<Oveur> the 1400's and other specific projectile turrets will not get attention in Shiva, we simply dont have the time for it.
<Oveur> so Jadrut will one day be happy again ;)
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.10.14 06:08:00 -
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rofl @ Death star! WTB Deathstar BPO
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.10.14 06:08:00 -
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rofl @ Death star! WTB Deathstar BPO
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.10.14 06:30:00 -
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 Originally by: S'Daria
<Oveur> the 1400's and other specific projectile turrets will not get attention in Shiva, we simply dont have the time for it.
<-- Very disappointed.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.10.14 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: S'Daria
<Oveur> the 1400's and other specific projectile turrets will not get attention in Shiva, we simply dont have the time for it.
<-- Very disappointed.
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Fedaykin Naib
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Posted - 2004.10.14 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: S'Daria<kieron> <YaRisse> (Question) Are Minmatar Pilots going to get their Beloved guns fixed on the Release of Shiva, or will we be forced to wait until some unspecified date afterwards?
<Oveur> the 1400's and other specific projectile turrets will not get attention in Shiva, we simply dont have the time for it.
<Oveur> so Jadrut will one day be happy again ;)
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He better be being sarcastic there
"Long Live the Fighters!"
"The weak come and go with time. The strong have remained" - v ger
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Fedaykin Naib
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Posted - 2004.10.14 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: S'Daria<kieron> <YaRisse> (Question) Are Minmatar Pilots going to get their Beloved guns fixed on the Release of Shiva, or will we be forced to wait until some unspecified date afterwards?
<Oveur> the 1400's and other specific projectile turrets will not get attention in Shiva, we simply dont have the time for it.
<Oveur> so Jadrut will one day be happy again ;)
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He better be being sarcastic there
"Long Live the Fighters!"
"The weak come and go with time. The strong have remained" - v ger
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Nieda
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Posted - 2004.10.14 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: Nieda on 14/10/2004 07:10:24
Originally by: Fedaykin Naib
He better be being sarcastic there
He aint ...
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2004.08.12 14:50:32combatYour 720mm Carbine Howitzer I perfectly strikes Guristas Destructor, wrecking for 543.9 damage. |
Nieda
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Posted - 2004.10.14 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: Nieda on 14/10/2004 07:10:24
Originally by: Fedaykin Naib
He better be being sarcastic there
He aint ...
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2004.08.12 14:50:32combatYour 720mm Carbine Howitzer I perfectly strikes Guristas Destructor, wrecking for 543.9 damage. |
Siddy
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Posted - 2004.10.14 07:19:00 -
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you still can use projectiles, efektively - its just dam hard .. and takes tatally ³ber skills
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.10.14 07:19:00 -
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you still can use projectiles, efektively - its just dam hard .. and takes tatally ³ber skills
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Steeldrake
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Posted - 2004.10.14 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Darkwolf
Originally by: S'Daria
<Oveur> the 1400's and other specific projectile turrets will not get attention in Shiva, we simply dont have the time for it.
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Steeldrake
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Posted - 2004.10.14 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Darkwolf
Originally by: S'Daria
<Oveur> the 1400's and other specific projectile turrets will not get attention in Shiva, we simply dont have the time for it.
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Nieda
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Posted - 2004.10.14 09:56:00 -
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Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery 1 misses Guristas Barn Door, causing no damage.
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2004.08.12 14:50:32combatYour 720mm Carbine Howitzer I perfectly strikes Guristas Destructor, wrecking for 543.9 damage. |
Nieda
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Posted - 2004.10.14 09:56:00 -
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Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery 1 misses Guristas Barn Door, causing no damage.
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2004.08.12 14:50:32combatYour 720mm Carbine Howitzer I perfectly strikes Guristas Destructor, wrecking for 543.9 damage. |
Reptar
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Posted - 2004.10.14 10:02:00 -
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nah i asked them this at the london ****up they said that 800mm's are the secret, just like tachyons and megabeams
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.10.14 10:02:00 -
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nah i asked them this at the london ****up they said that 800mm's are the secret, just like tachyons and megabeams
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.10.14 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nieda
Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery 1 misses Guristas Barn Door, causing no damage.
more like Barn Wall
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.10.14 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nieda
Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery 1 misses Guristas Barn Door, causing no damage.
more like Barn Wall
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.10.14 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Reptar
nah i asked them this at the london ****up they said that 800mm's are the secret, just like tachyons and megabeams
bad comparison methinks - 1400s hit like crap while tachs still rape. Megabeams vs 800s? cmon.
<---- disappointed v2.0
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Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.10.14 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Reptar
nah i asked them this at the london ****up they said that 800mm's are the secret, just like tachyons and megabeams
bad comparison methinks - 1400s hit like crap while tachs still rape. Megabeams vs 800s? cmon.
<---- disappointed v2.0
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Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.10.14 10:36:00 -
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The devs that were there thought they were balanced as far as i knew, just do what everybody else does projectile crew.
"omg this sucks, everything else is better, lets nerf everything else to balance it out!"
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.10.14 10:36:00 -
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The devs that were there thought they were balanced as far as i knew, just do what everybody else does projectile crew.
"omg this sucks, everything else is better, lets nerf everything else to balance it out!"
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ByBy Baby
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Posted - 2004.10.14 14:30:00 -
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lol, this is not funny any more. Can they take there heads out of there AXX and fix an obvious problem. I and many other projectile users donÆt scream ôNERF ALL OTHER GUNSö. Leave them as they are and fix projectiles.
They have the golden opportunity to fix it now to Shiva.
What must happen before they listen? Canceling accounts on mass?
The descent thing they can do is to do a real post so they can state how they se it, and let us have a discussion about it.
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ByBy Baby
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Posted - 2004.10.14 14:30:00 -
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lol, this is not funny any more. Can they take there heads out of there AXX and fix an obvious problem. I and many other projectile users donÆt scream ôNERF ALL OTHER GUNSö. Leave them as they are and fix projectiles.
They have the golden opportunity to fix it now to Shiva.
What must happen before they listen? Canceling accounts on mass?
The descent thing they can do is to do a real post so they can state how they se it, and let us have a discussion about it.
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Gynx
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Posted - 2004.10.14 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: S'Daria
Edited by: S'Daria on 14/10/2004 05:46:39
<kieron> <YaRisse> (Question) Are Minmatar Pilots going to get their Beloved guns fixed on the Release of Shiva, or will we be forced to wait until some unspecified date afterwards?
<Oveur> the 1400's and other specific projectile turrets will not get attention in Shiva, we simply dont have the time for it.
<Oveur> so Jadrut will one day be happy again ;)
PWND
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Gynx
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Posted - 2004.10.14 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: S'Daria
Edited by: S'Daria on 14/10/2004 05:46:39
<kieron> <YaRisse> (Question) Are Minmatar Pilots going to get their Beloved guns fixed on the Release of Shiva, or will we be forced to wait until some unspecified date afterwards?
<Oveur> the 1400's and other specific projectile turrets will not get attention in Shiva, we simply dont have the time for it.
<Oveur> so Jadrut will one day be happy again ;)
PWND
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Zu Lu
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Posted - 2004.10.14 17:59:00 -
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I am wondering if they meant the whole of shiva they will not look at artillery/howitzers - as in Kali they might 
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Zu Lu
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Posted - 2004.10.14 17:59:00 -
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I am wondering if they meant the whole of shiva they will not look at artillery/howitzers - as in Kali they might
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2004.10.14 19:49:00 -
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I like to remind everyone how the nerf occured.
1. CCP stated intentions to fix all guns.
2. CCP added new tracking and sig/scan? resolution to guns. Extended falloff to compensate.
3. Community uproar over gun inaccuracy.
4. CCP extended falloff of guns further, but mistakenly reduced falloff of projectile Artillery.
So here we sit, not only without the extended falloff of other guns, but in fact with an additional reduction.
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2004.10.14 19:49:00 -
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I like to remind everyone how the nerf occured.
1. CCP stated intentions to fix all guns.
2. CCP added new tracking and sig/scan? resolution to guns. Extended falloff to compensate.
3. Community uproar over gun inaccuracy.
4. CCP extended falloff of guns further, but mistakenly reduced falloff of projectile Artillery.
So here we sit, not only without the extended falloff of other guns, but in fact with an additional reduction.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.10.14 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: S'Daria
<Oveur> the 1400's and other specific projectile turrets will not get attention in Shiva, we simply dont have the time for it.
<Oveur> so Jadrut will one day be happy again ;)
Very dissapointing considering they said it would be addressed in shiva.
So Kali now?
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.10.14 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: S'Daria
<Oveur> the 1400's and other specific projectile turrets will not get attention in Shiva, we simply dont have the time for it.
<Oveur> so Jadrut will one day be happy again ;)
Very dissapointing considering they said it would be addressed in shiva.
So Kali now?
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2004.10.14 22:03:00 -
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I'm all for having a suspicious attitude, but I rather think he meant they wouldn't be address before the Shiva launch... primarily due to the comment about not having enough time.
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2004.10.14 22:03:00 -
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I'm all for having a suspicious attitude, but I rather think he meant they wouldn't be address before the Shiva launch... primarily due to the comment about not having enough time.
Kill the enemy, and break their toys. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.10.14 22:16:00 -
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Heh, too funny.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.10.14 22:16:00 -
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Heh, too funny.
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Kalarin
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Posted - 2004.10.15 11:04:00 -
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Very, very funny I think, if a projectives will not fixed at 1-2 month - i will cancel my subscription and go to other game. May be for http://www.guildwars.com
A game must be fun for playing, but in EVE devs looks too "strange" as for me. Trying to do a much of changes for weapons if you has no time for finishing it all, then broke balance and leaving it "as is", then say "ohh... we have no time for fixing, but it's a funny to see as ppls lost a time (for training a minmatars ship and guns) and ISKs (from losting a BS)" 
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Kalarin
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Posted - 2004.10.15 11:04:00 -
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Very, very funny I think, if a projectives will not fixed at 1-2 month - i will cancel my subscription and go to other game. May be for http://www.guildwars.com
A game must be fun for playing, but in EVE devs looks too "strange" as for me. Trying to do a much of changes for weapons if you has no time for finishing it all, then broke balance and leaving it "as is", then say "ohh... we have no time for fixing, but it's a funny to see as ppls lost a time (for training a minmatars ship and guns) and ISKs (from losting a BS)"
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.10.15 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Reptar
The devs that were there thought they were balanced as far as i knew, just do what everybody else does projectile crew.
"omg this sucks, everything else is better, lets nerf everything else to balance it out!"
Just like Hammer said on IRC that all Large turrets were working fine right after that first sig radius change when for about 2 weeks ALL large turrets were totally ******. He swore blind there was nothing wrong and that my/our testing was meaningless as we wasnt seeing the bigger picture. Then after a week or two of people quoting figures they suddenly TomB realised that the whole maths equation being used was bugged 
Still waiting for my apology Hammer
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.10.15 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Reptar
The devs that were there thought they were balanced as far as i knew, just do what everybody else does projectile crew.
"omg this sucks, everything else is better, lets nerf everything else to balance it out!"
Just like Hammer said on IRC that all Large turrets were working fine right after that first sig radius change when for about 2 weeks ALL large turrets were totally ******. He swore blind there was nothing wrong and that my/our testing was meaningless as we wasnt seeing the bigger picture. Then after a week or two of people quoting figures they suddenly TomB realised that the whole maths equation being used was bugged
Still waiting for my apology Hammer
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.10.15 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Estios
Still waiting for my apology Hammer
if memory serves, that was Eight who made the first tracking change.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Hakera
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Posted - 2004.10.15 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Estios
Still waiting for my apology Hammer
if memory serves, that was Eight who made the first tracking change.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Estios
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Posted - 2004.10.15 15:45:00 -
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It may well have been Eight who MADE the change but it was Hammer(head) who refused to even beleive something had gone **** up when I attempted to be polite in IRC and point out some situations which would easily show something was wrong.
It basically went:
In Help channel
Me: I think someone dropped the ball on tracking changes, anyone know if its been reported as borked ?
ISD: Its working like the Devs want it to
Me: Err I dont think so chap, 2 BS's cant hit each other at Optimal range
ISD: Adapt or die, its not broke
Hmmm time to try IRC:
Me: G'day, wondered if anyone else has found Large turrets changes to be slightly borked.
Hammer: It works fine
Me: Try this test and tell me that again pls
Some random tool: STFU Noob, adapt or die. BS whiners make me sick
Me: Someone shut this tool up and lets get back to the gun changes
Hammer: They are NOT broken and will NOT need any fixing, kthxbye.
Random tool: hhahahaah BS pirate whiners ahahaaha
/me gets raged with random tool and goes off on one about how Im actually pretty sure its broke and trying to help.
A week or two later TomB makes post stating what we all knew by then that the changes were bugged and would be fixed ASAP.
/me gloats and plays with myself thinking about how cool I am.
Why I brought this up now I dont know and I was jesting about expecting any apology but I would honestly like someone to tweak the projectiles and stop avoiding the situation.
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.10.15 15:45:00 -
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It may well have been Eight who MADE the change but it was Hammer(head) who refused to even beleive something had gone **** up when I attempted to be polite in IRC and point out some situations which would easily show something was wrong.
It basically went:
In Help channel
Me: I think someone dropped the ball on tracking changes, anyone know if its been reported as borked ?
ISD: Its working like the Devs want it to
Me: Err I dont think so chap, 2 BS's cant hit each other at Optimal range
ISD: Adapt or die, its not broke
Hmmm time to try IRC:
Me: G'day, wondered if anyone else has found Large turrets changes to be slightly borked.
Hammer: It works fine
Me: Try this test and tell me that again pls
Some random tool: STFU Noob, adapt or die. BS whiners make me sick
Me: Someone shut this tool up and lets get back to the gun changes
Hammer: They are NOT broken and will NOT need any fixing, kthxbye.
Random tool: hhahahaah BS pirate whiners ahahaaha
/me gets raged with random tool and goes off on one about how Im actually pretty sure its broke and trying to help.
A week or two later TomB makes post stating what we all knew by then that the changes were bugged and would be fixed ASAP.
/me gloats and plays with myself thinking about how cool I am.
Why I brought this up now I dont know and I was jesting about expecting any apology but I would honestly like someone to tweak the projectiles and stop avoiding the situation.
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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